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I would like to start a "political party" here, as many people have been doing. However, I haven't been able to find a good modertaly right wing party. So if anyone is interested in joinin this, please post.

We will draw up our views after we have some members. I am looking for this party to be pro-life, to support capitalism, and to work together to form an active party.

If you posted some of the ideals you stated in the other thread im sure people would know where you would like the party to stand roughly.

I would like to start a "political party" here, as many people have been doing. However, I haven't been able to find a good modertaly right wing party. So if anyone is interested in joinin this, please post.

We will draw up our views after we have some members. I am looking for this party to be pro-life, to support capitalism, and to work together to form an active party.

I might join. Only if said capitalism will include a welfare system for those who are unable to work, as well as a reasonable healthcare system.

Yes, it would have a reasonable welfare system, as well as health care.

I hope you do not mind Ator People but i thought i would post what you said in the other thread.

I would like to start a party, so here goes...

NS Moderate Conservative Party

The Nationstates Moderate Conservative Party is hereby formed with the following views on various issues:

* Taxes: We believe in low taxes. However, we also think that the tax percentage should be slightly increased for those in the upper income brackets.
* We believe that welfare should be used sparingly. It is essential to a good nation, however, we think that it should be limited to a certain amount and people should slowly recieve less and less until they get a job.
* We are PRO-LIFE and are against abortion, death penalty, and embryo stem cell research.
* We support the public and private education institutions, and encourage students to attend private schools if they can afford to do so.
* We support business of all types, and we strongly support the capitalistic system.
* We support free speech, but don't support the abuse of this freedom.
* We are open to new ideas, and embrace progress and tradition at the same time.

This party shall discuss its positions on current and new issues every two weeks at a party meeting. The party shall be made up of the following offices:

* Party Leader - Shall lead the party and run the party meetings. Will also help clarify the party's stances on various issues.
* Secondary Leader - Shall work with the party's communications and paper work.

The officers will be elected once a month by the members of the party. Simple majority wins. In the case of a tie, the first vote shall be the deciding vote.

Well i was told not to make everything myself, but to allow ppl to discuss it within the party.


However, this is not the party's official stance. We will dicuss what the official stance is once we have members.

Yes, it would have a reasonable welfare system, as well as health care.

Oh, and abortion legal in cases of rape, and where harmful to the mother.

remember, 10 line manifesto and that stuff. i'm sure Aridd will fill you in with all the rules and stuff tomorrow.
actually i think thats about it anyway.

well, good luck!

Oh, and abortion legal in cases of rape, and where harmful to the mother.

Well that would have to be discussed furthur. Personally, I am against abortion. But it is not a one man party ;)

Well i was told not to make everything myself, but to allow ppl to discuss it within the party.


However, this is not the party's official stance. We will dicuss what the official stance is once we have members.

Exactly, you have a basis on which to move forward, a rough version on what you stand for and then you modify it with help from supporters. Then you edit your first post with the revised manifesto of the party :)

Exactly, you have a basis on which to move forward, a rough version on what you stand for and then you modify it with help from supporters. Then you edit your first post with the revised manifesto of the party :)

Ahhh, okay. I think I understand now :) .

Thanks for the help Wegason! I hope you join this party.

Well that would have to be discussed furthur. Personally, I am against abortion.

Right.

And of course, along with free speech would be freedom of religion, freedom to peacefully assemble, and right to own a gun. I'd like to be almost completely anti- gun control.

Ahhh, okay. I think I understand now :) .

Thanks for the help Wegason! I hope you join this party.

Although i vote Conservative in Britain, that is because they are the only free market capitalist party here with a chance of winning. I am a classic liberal and a member of that party. However, i do wish you luck.

I would join, sounds great

I am however, if i have time, willing to help you set up the party and will be willing to give you my conservative views. I am socially liberal to an extent (-2.31 on the Political Compass) but i do have socially conservative views on some issues. I am not really in favour of the legalisation of hard drugs, i believe that criminals need to be punished and i favour long sentences and being tough on crime.

YES! FINALLY! FIIIIINAAAAALLLLLLYYYYY! A party that doesn't suck donkeyballs! :mp5:

I'd love to join the party and contribute with whatever I can.

Other things that should be included I think are a stance again gay adoptions and lesbian insemination. And the party should recognise the family as the cornerstone of society. And we should be commited to spreading the ideals of democracy throughout the globe.

As for stances so far, I agree. Although I'd favor more gun-control.

How about editing it to this:

* Taxes: We believe in low taxes. However, we also think that the tax percentage should be slightly increased for those in the upper income brackets.
* We believe that welfare should be used sparingly. It is essential to a good nation, however, we think that it should be limited to a certain amount and people should slowly recieve less and less until they get a job.
* We are PRO-LIFE and are against abortion, death penalty, and embryo stem cell research.
* We support the public and private education institutions, and encourage students to attend private schools if they can afford to do so.
* We support business of all types, and we strongly support the capitalistic system.
* We support free speech, but don't support the abuse of this freedom.
* We are open to new ideas, and embrace progress and tradition at the same time.
* We are commited to democracy, both in our nation and in other nations.
* We are against gay adoptions and lesbian insemination, as we belive children have the right to both a mother and a father.
* We belive the family is one of the most imporant parts of society, and that people growing up in a sound family have a lesser chance of turning criminal.
* We are in favor of the right to own a firearm, although we belive that some gun-control and registration is needed for the safety of the society.

How about editing it to this:

* Taxes: We believe in low taxes. However, we also think that the tax percentage should be slightly increased for those in the upper income brackets.
* We believe that welfare should be used sparingly. It is essential to a good nation, however, we think that it should be limited to a certain amount and people should slowly recieve less and less until they get a job.
* We are PRO-LIFE and are against abortion, death penalty, and embryo stem cell research.
* We support the public and private education institutions, and encourage students to attend private schools if they can afford to do so.
* We support business of all types, and we strongly support the capitalistic system.
* We support free speech, but don't support the abuse of this freedom.
* We are open to new ideas, and embrace progress and tradition at the same time.
* We are commited to democracy, both in our nation and in other nations.
* We are against gay adoptions and lesbian insemination, as we belive children have the right to both a mother and a father.
* We belive the family is one of the most imporant parts of society, and that people growing up in a sound family have a lesser chance of turning criminal.
* We are in favor of the right to own a firearm, although we belive that some gun-control and registration is needed for the safety of the society.



As 90% of that is compatible with the NSCL manifesto, I hope you voted for us this time around.

How about editing it to this:

* Taxes: We believe in low taxes. However, we also think that the tax percentage should be slightly increased for those in the upper income brackets.
* We believe that welfare should be used sparingly. It is essential to a good nation, however, we think that it should be limited to a certain amount and people should slowly recieve less and less until they get a job.
* We are PRO-LIFE and are against abortion, death penalty, and embryo stem cell research.
* We support the public and private education institutions, and encourage students to attend private schools if they can afford to do so.
* We support business of all types, and we strongly support the capitalistic system.
* We support free speech, but don't support the abuse of this freedom.
* We are open to new ideas, and embrace progress and tradition at the same time.
* We are commited to democracy, both in our nation and in other nations.
* We are against gay adoptions and lesbian insemination, as we belive children have the right to both a mother and a father.
* We belive the family is one of the most imporant parts of society, and that people growing up in a sound family have a lesser chance of turning criminal.
* We are in favor of the right to own a firearm, although we belive that some gun-control and registration is needed for the safety of the society.


Along with freedom of speech should come freedom of religion, freedom of press, and right to assemble peacefully.

I would change your name from moderate conservative to just Conservative

There is nothing moderate to being anti abortion, anti gay marriage etc

Nope I didn't vote for the NS classic liberals because they were too pro-baby killing. I voted for the party of whatever works.


* We support free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly and freedom of press but we do not support the abuse of this freedom nor the use of this freedom to harm others.

How about that?

I would change your name from moderate conservative to just Conservative

There is nothing moderate to being anti abortion, anti gay marriage etc

Though noone said anything about being anti-gay marriage... And I don't think its moderate to be pro-abortion.

Though noone said anything about being anti-gay marriage... And I don't think its moderate to be pro-abortion.
It is in most countries, you can oppose abortion in most cases or after a certain point. Opposing it almost all of the time is pretty conservative

Ah, I think most of the other people here who want to join this party will agree that abortion should be allowed in certain cases, such as rape or when the mothers life is in danger.

I would change your name from moderate conservative to just Conservative

There is nothing moderate to being anti abortion, anti gay marriage etc

Um...yes there is, at least state-side.

Otherwise abortion and gay marriage would come into being through the legislative branch, and not have to rely on the judiciary to subvert the will of the populace.

That's why gay marriage laws got completely trounced when brough to a vote in the states; a lot of moderates are against them.

Nope I didn't vote for the NS classic liberals because they were too pro-baby killing. I voted for the party of whatever works.


* We support free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly and freedom of press but we do not support the abuse of this freedom nor the use of this freedom to harm others.

How about that?

Sounds good. Maybe we should just choose to leave marriage alone, and to religion, and support civil partnerships. That sounds pretty moderate to me, and I'd support it.

Mine is pretty moderate - The Party of Peeple That Can Spell Corectly. It's liberal on about as many issues as it's conservative on. For instance, it's pretty anti-censorship and religion in politics, and conditionally legalizes drug use, but it's protectionist between dissimilar economies, against labor unions, and has a "Shoot First, Ask Questions Later," military policy (when dealing with the threat of violence).

Nope I didn't vote for the NS classic liberals because they were too pro-baby killing. I voted for the party of whatever works.


* We support free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly and freedom of press but we do not support the abuse of this freedom nor the use of this freedom to harm others.

How about that?

Well it spounds pretty much the same as the principles we work on. We are not pro-baby killing, we are pro-choice, or do you not understand the difference?

Sounds good. Maybe we should just choose to leave marriage alone, and to religion, and support civil partnerships. That sounds pretty moderate to me, and I'd support it.

I agree. We could give civil partnerships the same legal rights as marriages. We could leave it up to the individual churches wheter they would allow gay marriages or not.

Well it spounds pretty much the same as the principles we work on. We are not pro-baby killing, we are pro-choice, or do you not understand the difference?

Abortion is essentially baby killing.

If you don't want to deal with the possible consequences, DON'T FUCK.

It's not that hard. ;)

Well it spounds pretty much the same as the principles we work on. We are not pro-baby killing, we are pro-choice, or do you not understand the difference?

I'd rather not spam down this thread with a debate about the issue. I do understand the difference, but in my eyes its about as much about choice as giving people the right to choose to kill people at random on the street. Lets just leave it to that and take the debate somewhere else.

I'd join, but it looks like you're unconditionally against the Death Penalty, which I support in cases of first-degree murder, serial killings, and treason.

I'm definently uncondtionally against the death penalty, I don't belive the state has anymore right to kill people then the murders they want sentenced.

Hmm...looks pretty interesting. I'd consider joining, though I'm afraid I don't agree with your stances on taxation and the death penalty.

Good work, though!

I'd rather not spam down this thread with a debate about the issue. I do understand the difference, but in my eyes its about as much about choice as giving people the right to choose to kill people at random on the street. Lets just leave it to that and take the debate somewhere else.

OK fine, we will not discuss the point that may actually be central to an understanding of what a right to life and freedom to choose actually mean.

I'm generally pro-death penalty, but I'm joining anyway.

Like I said, if you guys want to check out a fairly moderate, conservative party, check out mine (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423588&highlight=peeple). And read the whole thing before you make up your mind on it.

It's pro death penalty, pro choice up until the baby is biologically defined as alive, pro drug use with conditions, anti labor union protection, pro protectionism between dissimilar economies, pro free trade between similar economies, pro business growth, anti trust, anti monopoly and oligopoly, pro private education and healthcare with minimal government funding, pro minimal financial welfare, pro aggressive military policy... and I don't remember the rest, but you can check it out yourself at that link.

The reason the party is moderate conservative is because of our views on issues such as death penalty, taxation, and mild gun control.

The lives of our citizens are more important than the lives of other nations’ citizens.


Abortion will be legal up until the third trimester, or if the mother’s life is in danger. Rape victims will not be allowed to abort a baby in the third trimester unless psychiatric treatment prevents them from receiving an abortion sooner.

Capital punishment is to be used in cases of first degree murder, intentional neglect resulting in manslaughter, treason, child molestation, and violent rape. The judge and jury may agree unanimously to allow for capital punishment’s use in situations not expressly stated here. The mentally inept will not be exempt. Children younger than sixteen will be exempt.

Labor unions are allowed and encouraged when necessary, but so are asshole managers. They can fire you. Be reasonable and understand that you’re the one taking a risk in forming a labor union.

Drugs are legal on all private property if the owner of said property allows it


I don't agree with any of the above, so sorry. I'd rather commit myself to this party we are forming here. Good luck though, anythings better then the commie partys.

How many people have we got that has joined already?

Is there any minimum amount of members you need to stand in the elections?

We will not, I believe, be allowed to be in the elections right now since they have already started. However, we may form the party and get it ready for the next elections :) .


I will create a list of all members tomorrow, as well as a summary of what we haev decided so far to be our views.

I don't agree with any of the above, so sorry. I'd rather commit myself to this party we are forming here. Good luck though, anythings better then the commie partys.

Well, the first and last things you quoted were taken majorly out of context, but that's okay. Your choice.

Like I said, if you guys want to check out a fairly moderate, conservative party, check out mine (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423588&highlight=peeple). And read the whole thing before you make up your mind on it.

It's pro death penalty, pro choice up until the baby is biologically defined as alive, pro drug use with conditions, anti labor union protection, pro protectionism between dissimilar economies, pro free trade between similar economies, pro business growth, anti trust, anti monopoly and oligopoly, pro private education and healthcare with minimal government funding, pro minimal financial welfare, pro aggressive military policy... and I don't remember the rest, but you can check it out yourself at that link.

I like it alright, but I'd rather stick with our party. Had yours been in the election, I would have voted for it, instead of having to choose from varieties of liberal parties.

Ator People, have you got AIM or msn or something?

I like it alright, but I'd rather stick with our party. Had yours been in the election, I would have voted for it, instead of having to choose from varieties of liberal parties.

I can agree on that.

I like it alright, but I'd rather stick with our party. Had yours been in the election, I would have voted for it, instead of having to choose from varieties of liberal parties.

Fair enough. Just letting the moderates out there - though they be few and far these days - know that there's an alternative if they want to keep stuff like the death penalty and abortion.

Fair enough. Just letting the moderates out there - though they be few and far these days - know that there's an alternative if they want to keep stuff like the death penalty and abortion.

On the contrary; I'd say about 75% of Americans are independent moderates.

But I do realize that you're talking about the forum. Yeah, a majority of people here are liberals. http://www.iol.ie/~roto/nspolc2.jpg

I was thinking, would anybody want to join a forum for the party. I could make one and we could discuss party politics, etc. Just a possibility.

Sure, go ahead and create one. then post the link and I'l join.

I suggest using invisionfree:
http://invisionfree.com/

On the contrary; I'd say about 75% of Americans are independent moderates.

Ahahahaha! Good one! Oh, man, that's a killer. Whooey. Ohhh... Man, now my sides ache.

Just because they don't vote doesn't mean they're moderate. ;) Most of the people that I know who don't vote are A.) self-proclaimed anarchists, or B.) super liberals and ultra conservatives that aren't into politics. And just because a voter says he or she is an independant doesn't mean he or she is. Example: My uncle has claimed to be an independant all of his life, but would shoot himself before voting for a Republican, no matter how bad the Democrat was.

Ahahahaha! Good one! Oh, man, that's a killer. Whooey. Ohhh... Man, now my sides ache.

Just because they don't vote doesn't mean they're moderate. ;) Most of the people that I know who don't vote are A.) self-proclaimed anarchists, or B.) super liberals and ultra conservatives that aren't into politics. And just because a voter says he or she is an independant doesn't mean he or she is. Example: My uncle has claimed to be an independant all of his life, but would shoot himself before voting for a Republican, no matter how bad the Democrat was.

I'm talking about the ones who do vote. The majority of the ones that voted for Bush were moderates that would rather keep Bush in office than see a dipstick like Kerry in office.

Sure, go ahead and create one. then post the link and I'l join.

I suggest using invisionfree:
http://invisionfree.com/

Yes, I will use invisionfree, unless I host my own.

Also, it probably will be a couple days, as I am quite busy. But we should gather members first anyway.

Just curious, where did you guys stand on the political compass?

http://s9.invisionfree.com/NSMCP/index.php

Easy.

Generally I am pretty close to the center. I have taken a variety of political tests.

http://s9.invisionfree.com/NSMCP/index.php

Easy.

Nice, thanks!

I was just thinking it will take awhile to create a skin, organize forums, set permissions, etc.

Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.67

But it varies alot for me. the last time I took the test (before I took it just now) I think I was just at the center, one spot to the left (right on the left-right line).

I'l try and get to organising the forum some before I go to bed.

if you want to make me admin, i can help some w/ the skin, etc.

You already got admin access :)

I suggest choosing a party colour and using that for the forum, now i know red in american means republican and blue democrat but in the rest of the world, red = communist/socialist. In Britain, the Conservatives are blue. Up to you guys, if you want help with skinning i can help you, although not really today or tomorrow, got an exam.

I'm talking about the ones who do vote. The majority of the ones that voted for Bush were moderates that would rather keep Bush in office than see a dipstick like Kerry in office.

They may have been moderates, but they were not independants. Subtle difference.

http://s9.invisionfree.com/NSMCP/

The forum is up.

What's your party colour going to be? Purple? Deep Blue? Black?

Here's mine:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03

I see myself as a moderate conservative/libertarian who believes in limited government, but only to a point.

Edit: As to color, I like charcoal, but am open to anything.

Register at the forum, then we can have a vote about what color we should use.

"As a member of the conservative party I just drone on an on and on never letting anyone else get a word in edgeways until I start foaming at the mouth and falling over backwards!" *foams at the mouth and falls over backwards*

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seriously though i'm interested in your party.

Register here:

http://s9.invisionfree.com/NSMCP/

Wait wait wait. What's you stand on abortion? Absolutely none at all or what?

So far I think we have all agreed on that abortion must be allowed under certain circumstances, namely rape and when the mothers life is in danger. But as said, the party manifesto is still in the works.

i agree with those circumstances.

So far I think we have all agreed on that abortion must be allowed under certain circumstances, namely rape and when the mothers life is in danger. But as said, the party manifesto is still in the works.

I don't believe we all decided that.

I think we really need to work on our main manifesto ASAP. This is very important, in addition to gaining new members, IMHO.

I don't believe we all decided that.

True, we haven't really decided anything since we are still working on the party manifesto.

We need more members!!!!

Yes we do :)

Okay, as the second elections are about to begin, I would like to get a party manifesto ready so we can hold a seat or two if possible.

Any supporters?

I put together a provisional Moderate Conservative Manifesto a while back I dug it up and am posting it here.

Moderate Conservative Manifesto:

We consider ourselves adapters. As society changes, so do we. We recognize the importance of diversity of opinion and a wide variety of viewpoints. However, we do have a few key principles that we believe unite us in the support of Conservative values: Small Government, Capitalism, Dissent, Personal Choice, Justice, Life, and Community.

Capitalism

It is our firm belief that freedom can only be achieved in a government that nurtures free enterprise instead of stifling it. The government should prevent itself from embracing self-subsidation and limit or prevent the nationalization of industry. Small business and personal enterprise in particular should be encouraged.

Small Government

We believe that the Government should do what it can to help the truly downtrodden, but that a large government will only make the plight of the poor worse by stifling the economy and nurturing bureaucracy, corruption, and inefficiency. Governments should hold corporations in check on issues such as law, truth, and the environment, and should establish a non-punitive tax structure that encourages productivity, but we oppose indiscriminate spending, bureaucracy, and the Socialist agenda.

Dissent

It is the job of the government to protect the rights of its citizens. The citizen must be equipped to hold the government into account for its flaws. As such, we advocate most strongly the rights of speech, press, peaceable assembly, religion, dissent and democracy. We believe that it is not only the right but the duty of the people to make their views known when they disagree with the government's position on any given issue, and to affect change on the government if possible. It is also the duty of individuals to affect changes in values with reason and respect, and without coercion.

Personal choice

We also believe that the individual has the right to choose any career or lifestyle that does not interfere with the rights of others, and that personal choices made in private are none of the government's business. We also believe in the right of any couple to unify legally and have their union recognized by law.

Justice

We advocate a strong, well-equipped police force. We also advocate the ability of the government to limit or prevent the production of weaponry that it considers to be harmful to others. We advocate a justice system that is independent, but responsive to and respectful of the laws and institutions of our nation. We also strongly believe in the right to privacy and due process, and that no one shall be deprived of his freedoms except when expressly charged, except on probable cause, and has a right to a speedy trial by a jury of his peers, innocent until proven guilty.

Life

With freedom comes responsibility and of necessity accountability. It is our belief that this can only be accomplished in a government that embraces a culture of justice, life, and family, and that from justice, life, and family stem all other rights and freedoms. We oppose the death penalty in all its forms, euthanasia in all its forms, and abortion except in the most strenuous cases (such as when the woman's life is in danger).

Community

We recognize that family is the key to a younger generation that is healthy in body and soul. As such, we advocate the parent's right to choose the education of her/his children We advocate more local control of schools. We also believe in the individual's duty to lend a helping hand to those in need, such as the elderly, the yound, and the disadvantaged. Society has made us calloused to these notions, but we believe it is the duty to fight through the confines of society and bring these values back to the forefront.

I hope I'm not stealing anyones thunder, and of course I'm willing to go along with whatever we decide.