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Yes, I know I made a spelling error.

It's close, but I'm not sure I can give a solid answer. If there were revolutionaries marching down the streets, I'd line up with the police and give 'em a blanket of lead, but I wouldn't kill myself if I found myself in a communist state. I'd just be an angry-ass dissenter. And then probably get shot.

So far death has no votes.

Yes, I know I made a spelling error.
i know you made a belling error, wher eyou eat the bell. hahahahahhahhaa a bell is what you put poo in!

If you live under communist rule, then be prepared for the never-ending purges.

Surely communist rule can't be that bad to live under. After you've found a way to keep warm of course. Is anybody on NS from the former Soviet Union? What was it like. I'd ask China but, you know, they aren't communist.

Are we talking true communism or the oppressive not-quite-communism-more-like-fascism that the USSR perveyed?

I know plenty of people that have done it and described it more of an annoyance than an evil, all-pervasive, soul-crushing trial of the spirit. As long as you're not in the Gulag or the Killing Fields, I take their word for it. I mean, the Patriot Act and the Bush Administration's policies piss me off a lot, but they've only directly affected me three or four times.

Yes, I know I made a spelling error.
Well, since I am basically a communist I have to go with option #1.

However, on a philosophical level I will always go for that first option. I believe that it is better to be alive and living under tyranny than not living at all. After all, $1 is better than $0, even if you had $10000 before. (Pardon the analogy if you don't understand it.) :p

I chose death. The way I see it, I can eigther except thier unnatural rule or stand and fight against the oppresors. I will probably die but then I will be with the Lord in heavan where I will never have to worry about communists again.

I chose death. The way I see it, I can eigther except thier unnatural rule or stand and fight against the oppresors. I will probably die but then I will be with the Lord in heavan where I will never have to worry about communists again.

What if you get to heaven and find out it's communist? Would you ask to be transferred to hell?

Well, since I am basically a communist I have to go with option #1.

However, on a philosophical level I will always go for that first option. I believe that it is better to be alive and living under tyranny than not living at all. After all, $1 is better than $0, even if you had $10000 before. (Pardon the analogy if you don't understand it.) :p
I hear you.

What if you get to heaven and find out it's communist? Would you ask to be transferred to hell?
Man, I'm glad I didn't have any beer in my mouth when I read that. Snort.

What if you get to heaven and find out it's communist? Would you ask to be transferred to hell?

Considering that communists are anti-Christian, i don't think that there are many in heaven. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against working for the common good. After all, the original Christian communities were effectively communes. These communes were based around God, however, and this is the only way one can work. Communist regimes try to prevent people from freely worshipping Him. I would rather die in God's service than simply pretend to deny Him. I simply couldn't live with myself if I passivly accepted this perversion of government. I'm sure most of you commies would prefer I be dead anyway if you finally ever managed to take over.

I know plenty of people that have done it and described it more of an annoyance than an evil, all-pervasive, soul-crushing trial of the spirit. As long as you're not in the Gulag or the Killing Fields, I take their word for it. I mean, the Patriot Act and the Bush Administration's policies piss me off a lot, but they've only directly affected me three or four times.

Goddamn Bush doesn't put his own people into killing fields. You think the Patriot Act is tough, just imagine the commie equivalent, where the positive mentioning of a country that the State doesn't favor shall immediately raise suspicions about the speaker. At least the Patriot Act won't make you poor.

They say that under capitalism, they treat you like a number. Under communism, you're treated like cattle, underfed (look at the NKs). At least cattle in a capitalist country gets their fodder.

I'm with the first reply. I wouldn't look to die if I suddenly ended up in a communist country, but if those fucks tried to take over, you bet your ass I'd be at the gun shop.

Well, since I am basically a communist I have to go with option #1.

However, on a philosophical level I will always go for that first option. I believe that it is better to be alive and living under tyranny than not living at all. After all, $1 is better than $0, even if you had $10000 before. (Pardon the analogy if you don't understand it.) :p
Of course, I'd rather put in some effort to get more than just that measley one dollar. No way in hell I'd just sit there with my precious little dollar cuddling it, hoping it won't go away.

I'm with the first reply. I wouldn't look to die if I suddenly ended up in a communist country, but if those fucks tried to take over, you bet your ass I'd be at the gun shop.

A fight to the death battling the communists is always honorable for a human.

Oh, come on. Anyone choosing death is either a fool or having a laugh.

Considering that communists are anti-Christian, i don't think that there are many in heaven. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against working for the common good. After all, the original Christian communities were effectively communes. These communes were based around God, however, and this is the only way one can work. Communist regimes try to prevent people from freely worshipping Him. I would rather die in God's service than simply pretend to deny Him. I simply couldn't live with myself if I passivly accepted this perversion of government. I'm sure most of you commies would prefer I be dead anyway if you finally ever managed to take over.

I would just like to point out briefly here that there is a distinction between communism, or the concept of the proletariot having the exact same materials and rights as the aristocracy, and the USSR communism, which was, to all points and purposes, a dictatorship remarkable similiar to fashism. (Yes, I know that's debatable, but even if this point is nullified then the USSR still was just a communist society with a bad leader)

Now, the thing is, both the Cninese and the Soviets had an anti-religious theme to them, (don't know about the third major communism, North Korea) but the concept of communism has nothing to do with religion. In fact, it could be a good metaphor for religion. In communism, if you are a good person, and if you work hard and stay true you get your dues, no matter who you are. (In that case, the standard rations of food and board) Religion works the same way. You could be african, asian, european, or even an exter-terrestrial and as long as you listen to the Bible/Torah/Koran/other religious text that you beleive in, not to mention act on the words in which you beleive, then you get your dues. In that case, heaven. (Unless you're bhuddist, in which case it's sweet oblivion.)

In short, that is why I would rather live under communist rule than bother with dying or trying to make a descision. It doesen't have to be stalinistic, as long as it is done right. Nobody has so far has done it, but hey, we just have to learn from our mistakes. Heck, it took the russians thousands of rockets (and more than a few lives) to get their rockets right, but they were still the first humans to get a satilite into space.

Anyhow, all the ideals that you hold dear to could easily be present in a communist society. Democracy, religion, whatever. In fact, the only thing which could not be present is material superiority, or capitalism. Speaking of which, capitalism can be as bad as you make communism out to be. After all, Hitler himself was a facist. And what were facism's two declared enemies? Communism and Socialism. What's left for facism? Capitalism. Hitler was a capitalist of the worst caliber, just as stalin was a communist of the worst caliber. So, be aware that the society is not set in stone as communism=stalinism. So, in short, if you like money more than life, go ahead and die. If not, then I would recomend living. That's my stance, anyways.

I chose death. The way I see it, I can eigther except thier unnatural rule or stand and fight against the oppresors. I will probably die but then I will be with the Lord in heavan where I will never have to worry about communists again.
Would they teach you to spell in heaven?
;)

Well I voted for number one. Most of you are talking about fighting against the communists, but according to Karl Marx, that'd be yourselves. Are you referring to Stalinism or actual communism (often called Marxism)?
Because if you are thinking Stalinism, then I would be one of the first to revolt, but if you mean Marxism, what's wrong with it? (besides the fact that it's unlikely the human race will ever be mature enough to live as one sharing community)

Anyhow, all the ideals that you hold dear to could easily be present in a communist society. Democracy, religion, whatever. In fact, the only thing which could not be present is material superiority, or capitalism.

Democracy can not be present in a communist state. What if a politician runs on a capitalistic platform? Surely the party leaders would not let this man get away with his ideas. Communism can not be democratic because everyone has to agree that communism is the best form of government and that will never happen. Karl Marx remarked quite often that free and open elections
were an anti-social and sad version of freedom.

And on religion, Marx said that people needed to be emancipated from religion, thus justifying Stalin's brutal oppression of Jew and Christians in the eyes of communists.

On materialism, it is a sad fact that the only way you can get the vast majority of people to work or give of themselves is to offer them a tangible incentive. Communism does not do this, thus the inefficiency of the former USSR.

Would they teach you to spell in heaven?

Yes, yes they would.

Well I don't know what death is like, so I really can't judge that. Plus, being a woman under Communist rule is not likely to be a party, but at least I'd be alive. I would rather be alive than dead, so if I had to live under Communist rule I'd do it and not commit suicide. In this situation there is not really a "better" choice. Basically you're either in hell on earth or dead. And I don't believe in heaven or hell either. So I have no idea where I'd end up if I were dead.

Yes, I know I made a spelling error.
Living under "pure" communism ( were such a thing as "pure" communism possible ) wouldn't be too bad. Living under the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" would be worse than dying fighting it.

Well I don't know what death is like, so I really can't judge that. Plus, being a woman under Communist rule is not likely to be a party, but at least I'd be alive. I would rather be alive than dead, so if I had to live under Communist rule I'd do it and not commit suicide. In this situation there is not really a "better" choice. Basically you're either in hell on earth or dead. And I don't believe in heaven or hell either. So I have no idea where I'd end up if I were dead.

As said before, it wouldn't necessarily be hell...

Now the question is:

True Communism(that defies all probability and logic and works)

or

Death

The answer here, I would assume, is simple.

If you don't think living under true communism would be good, you're a damn fool. :)

True communism is when everyone's a thief and there's no policing. Enough said.

Surely communist rule can't be that bad to live under. After you've found a way to keep warm of course. Is anybody on NS from the former Soviet Union? What was it like. I'd ask China but, you know, they aren't communist.
I am from Russia. I was 13 when the USSR was dissolved, and I remember the 1980s quite well.

Our life was not terrible, but my family was quite poor - my father worked for the defence industry as an engineer, and my mother was a secretary. They weren't Party members - as a matter of fact, they did not believe that the USSR would last for long.

But we were not afraid of the KGB - as a matter of fact, it had no business with law-abiding and quiet citizens, however unenthusiastic for socialism they were. The purges ended in 50s for good.

Most of the churches were closed, but the Orthodox Christians were not persecuted in any manner - the church hierarchy was quite obedient, and some of them worked for the KGB anyway. The Orthodox Patriarch was always among the mourners attending Soviet leader's funeral. The life for Protestants, Catholics, and especially for observant Jews was much harder.

Feel free to ask me about the waning days of the Soviet Union - it always pleases me to recall my childhood days. :)