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No, this isn't an attention-grabbing scheme, this really is a thread about masturbation. :eek:

How many of you think that masturbation is wrong, how many of you think it's right, and what are your reasons and arguements? I'm curious coz my girlfriend expressed some views that i really didn't expect anyone of my generation to have, especially as she isn't at all religious (sorry if i'm stereotyping there).

I'm not asking for details, especially not graphic ones or this thread'll probably get deleted by the mods.

Pro. Helps stop prostate cancer (that's my reason and I'm sticking to it)

What could possibly be wrong with it? It's harmless fun.

No, this isn't an attention-grabbing scheme, this really is a thread about masturbation. :eek:

How many of you think that masturbation is wrong, how many of you think it's right, and what are your reasons and arguements? I'm curious coz my girlfriend expressed some views that i really didn't expect anyone of my generation to have, especially as she isn't at all religious (sorry if i'm stereotyping there).

I'm not asking for details, especially not graphic ones or this thread'll probably get deleted by the mods.
I don't think it's nessecarily "wrong" or "right". I think it's a normal, healthy, human behavior, but I certainly don't think that makes it "right".

Missing poll option: neither.

Missing poll option: neither.
correction: Neither!

I'd link to a very usefull site but you'd probably look strangely at me and the mod would be so fast on my ass that you couldn't even take another breath.

I'm catholic but I have to agree with Zotona, normal healthy behaviour; yes.

Right? That depends on what your views are, but in my views; yes and eventhough I'm catholic I do not frown upon people that do it.(hell I do it myself)

I'm alllllllllll for it!

Missing poll option: neither.
Well if there's a way to edit the poll options i can't find it. :(

To be honest what i'm particularly interested in the arguments anyone has for it being wrong, i've heard plenty of arguments for it being right from various people but she couldn't come up with an argument for why it's wrong, other than "it's just wrong".

Well, I personally believe it is wrong for religious reasons. Perhaps your girlfriend or other un-religious people who think it is wrong think its wrong because they feel its disrespectful to ones partner? Just a thought. Have you asked her why she thinks its wrong?

Note: By saying its wrong I am not claiming to be a perfect saint or anything. That would by hypocritical, which is worse than actually commiting the act.

I'm all for it. As long as you don't masturbate to the partially naked body of a comatose mecha pilot, there is nothing wrong with it, really.

I don't do it (no honest I don't out) but can see no argument against it.

helps lonely teenage geeks like me from remembering they've never had a girlfriend, so why not? :rolleyes:

When the time comes to get it done, get it done. I'm more or less married, and I get plenty of sex from my girl, but that doesn't mean I don't get stressed out and need a break. Aside from all the health benefits, jerking off is a great stress reliever, as well as an all around soothing thing to do. An orgasm is a thing to be celebrated, and I reccomend people experience them as often as possible.

It shocks me that here are people out there who have never taken care of their own business. I always thought it was a regular part of growing up, or of just of life itself, like farting or shitting, and, also like them, noone really talked about it. The idea that it's 'wrong' is kind of shocking to me.

I say jerk off when you feel the need. Slap yourself on the ass and grease yourself up. Hell, wear a storm-trooper outfit if that's what rocks you.

Pantera, for some unknown reason, your scaring the shit out of me...

And I have to agree with you, nothing wrong with it, I have a girlfriend but that doesn't stop me.

I once met a guy who didn't masturbate. It was at camp, when I was 14 or so. He was fiercely against it. Well, he was also the most stressed out, uptight bastard I've ever met. Took everything way too seriously.

Masturbation helps you relax, there's nothing wrong with a little stress relief.

From the christian perspective...

As a child and teenager I probably did it hundreds of times and I believe I am and was perfectly normal. I think it can be a slippery slope though if it gets you into pornography. Now as an adult, and a married one at that, I feel like it would be disrespectful or maybe hurtful to my wife if she cought me, so I dont do it. It's just not worth the possibility of hurting my sweet wife over something completely selfish. I think its important for a married christian man to make his wife the only object of his sexual desire. You should ignore or avoid overtly sexual movies, tv, websites, etc... People can get addicted to porn, their minds get trained to react to pornographic videos and pictures. The end result is that the full pleasure of sex is lost. The fullness of sex can only be enjoyed by two people who are in love and making love not just Fu--ing. Sex like all good things is a gift from god, a means to physically make love. Popular culture's version just dosen't measure up, it's cheap and it's lost its meaning.

I don't see it as wrong, but being wrong doesn't make it right. I see it as neither. What I see masturbation as is a rather enjoyable thing to do.

Sorry if this sounds ignorant or something, but how exactly do you masturbate?

Yea um...

Until I saw the last post...

Ok one at a time. It's not exactly fun having to clean dooche off yourself ya know. Girls are lucky, but uhh... yea. Its sorta gross and its a reliever cuz of physical activity. Anything that gives you an adrenaline rush 'll do the same thing. Just w/o the mess.

Ok. Um... well you just think or look at something arousing while fondling yourself. Studies say it takes about 20min. for 1st-timers.

Masturbation is wrong and makes baby Shiva cry. I shall prove it. Consider the following statement:

1. If God had meant for us to fly, he would have given us wings.

The above statement is obviously false. God did mean for us to fly. Many holy people fly everyday in things call areoplanes. God gave us the ability to make props, cockpits, joysticks, tubo-thrusting engines, long sleek tubular aluminium shapes... Oh God! So beautiful!

But consider the following statement:

2. If God had intended us to masturbate, he would have given us hands that easilly reach our genitals.

But God did give us hands that easily reach our genitals! Thus, if God did mean for us to fly but didn't give us wings, then it is only logical to conclude that the fact that we have hands that easily reach our genitals means that God doesn't want us to masturbate. It's simple logic.

I suggest you come down to my church and confess all about masturbation. Handlotion and tissues are provided in the confessional box.

Sorry if this sounds ignorant or something, but how exactly do you masturbate?
Awwwwwwwwwwww... so adorable! How old are you, honey?

whereas masturbation for women is considered a taboo and thought of as slutty behavior, most often, i see nothing wrong about it.
stress relief, endorphin rush, excercise, and comfort with your own body. and that is something more girls should be comfortable with - their bodies and their own sexuality. and it helps in relationships, to know what turns you on, etc.


true that. :p

Of course it's fine. I should know - I'm one of the millions of sex deprived teenagers in America who's girlfriend does not give him adequate attention.

Helllppp meeee

Masturbation is wrong and makes baby Shiva cry. I shall prove it. Consider the following statement:

1. If God had meant for us to fly, he would have given us wings.

The above statement is obviously false. God did mean for us to fly. Many holy people fly everyday in things call areoplanes. God gave us the ability to make props, cockpits, joysticks, tubo-thrusting engines, long sleek tubular aluminium shapes... Oh God! So beautiful!

But consider the following statement:

2. If God had intended us to masturbate, he would have given us hands that easilly reach our genitals.

But God did give us hands that easily reach our genitals! Thus, if God did mean for us to fly but didn't give us wings, then it is only logical to conclude that the fact that we have hands that easily reach our genitals means that God doesn't want us to masturbate. It's simple logic.

I suggest you come down to my church and confess all about masturbation. Handlotion and tissues are provided in the confessional box.


I do hope that you are joking. Because that is the most wacked out argument I've ever heard. The logic sucks. So you gotta be joking. Buttttttt I can't tell.

Sorry if this sounds ignorant or something, but how exactly do you masturbate?

how? depends on if you're a girl or guy...

[WHITE TRASH]The real thing is infinitely better. I don't have the time to make it my #1 hobby. I'm a little preoccupied with pussy, so I'd rather spend time getting some instead of using my hand. Although whackin' off sure beats having lotsa baby-mommas [/WHITE TRASH] :rolleyes:

Its not my #1, but its up there... I reached thrice a day last summer...

Definitely gross............................

It's not my favorite hobby, but it definitely ranks in the top 5 or so... I don't see anything whatsoever wrong with it.
It's not the least bit gross or disgusting, it doesn't hurt anybody. And it's just sooooo much fun

Im a guy and masterbation seems somewhat childish and immature to me ive ive had girlfriends but i just dont like going off and touching myself. if you like it keep doing it but it just seems silly to

1. 98% of men masterbate
2. 1% of men lie about not doing it
3. 1% of men may actually have the self control or religous belief that it is wrong
4. 75% of statistics are made up on the spot :)

personal if i don't do it after a couple of days i'm just an angry bastard to be around! .....it's the last thing i do before i go to sleep

Im a guy and masterbation seems somewhat childish and immature to me ive ive had girlfriends but i just dont like going off and touching myself. if you like it keep doing it but it just seems silly to

Well, I'm a girl and it's not the least bit childish to me. It feels great, it's relaxing, it teaches you a lot about your own body (how do you know what you like if you don't try it yourself? Do you wait for others to test it on you?) and believe me, it's fun doing it together with your partner as well ;)

It's slightly wrong.

Now that I've posted my opinion, I need to post some reasons. Unfortunately, I can't think of any right now. :(

Sorry if this sounds ignorant or something, but how exactly do you masturbate? I'm really surprised nobody's answered this with a really stupid answer yet. And you don't want to know.

It's slightly wrong.

Now that I've posted my opinion, I need to post some reasons. Unfortunately, I can't think of any right now. :(

:confused: Wrecking my poor brain here, but I can't think of any reasons why this would be wrong...
You better come up with some before I start making them up ;)

:confused: Wrecking my poor brain here, but I can't think of any reasons why this would be wrong...
You better come up with some before I start making them up ;) Ohhh, it's 10 in the morning and I'm supposed to be revising. I can't think of any non-religious reason that it's wrong… I think it's written somewhere "it is better to cast your seed into the womb or into a whore, than to spill it upon the ground". Of course, I could be completely wrong.

Ohhh, it's 10 in the morning and I'm supposed to be revising. I can't think of any non-religious reason that it's wrong… I think it's written somewhere "it is better to cast your seed into the womb or into a whore, than to spill it upon the ground". Of course, I could be completely wrong.

Hmm.. I wouldn't qualify for that reason anyway, as I'm girl. But considering that this part of the bible is most likely the one that also demands you wearing tassles on you clothes and never wear linen and wollen clothes together, as well as stone your mother in law if she talks bad about your sheep or something, I keep wondering why people are so very selective about which of those rules they want to follow?

If everytime you went to the fridge you saw a can of drink that made you less stressed, healthier, relaxed, more knowledgable, condfident and happy in general, would it be right to drink it?
Oh wait.. that's BEER.

Sagir, Emperor of Successoria
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Beer! Helping fat guys n gals get laid for centuries.

Hmm.. I wouldn't qualify for that reason anyway, as I'm girl. But considering that this part of the bible is most likely the one that also demands you wearing tassles on you clothes and never wear linen and wollen clothes together, as well as stone your mother in law if she talks bad about your sheep or something, I keep wondering why people are so very selective about which of those rules they want to follow? Well, I sort of agree with Blessed Assurances about it dimishing the value of sex… and don't worry, I'm not a right-wing Southern Baptist. ;) Just a left-wing Catholic. And you know how Catholics are with those sort of things, especially the young zealous ones. :)

Liskeinland

I read that post before, and all I thought was "The poor wife"
Not because he doesn't sound considerate, but just because ... well, I'm a curious person. I want to know what there is to know, and if I like it, I want to try it out. I don't have any problems watching porn, getting addicted to that stuff sounds a bit far-fetched to me really, and I don't have a problem masturbating, whether I'm in a relationship or not. And I don't have a problem with my partner doing that either, on the contrary, I enjoy watching him...
*probably shouldn't have said that

it teaches you a lot about your own body


Really? Boy, I don't want to be in the room next time there is a human anatomy exam.

STUDENT: "Umm, where is your hippocampus located? Hippo University? No that's not it." (Looks around, puts hand in pants.) "Mmmph mmm mmmph! Oh yeah, oh yeah, now I know! YES! IT'S PART OF MY LIMBIC SYSTEM! OH YES! Mmmmm..."

Well, I sort of agree with Blessed Assurances about it dimishing the value of sex… and don't worry, I'm not a right-wing Southern Baptist. ;) Just a left-wing Catholic. And you know how Catholics are with those sort of things, especially the young zealous ones. :)

Well, I'm Catholic myself, and I went to a school run by catholic nuns... and guess what? They told us that it's ok really, you have to get to know yourself, you can't love somebody else if you don't love yourself, and most of all, talk about it to your partner. And if you have any problems with it, talk about it to your friends or to somebody you trust.
I always considered that the best thing you can tell young girls (and boys as well, but my school was girls only)

Liskeinland

I read that post before, and all I thought was "The poor wife"
Not because he doesn't sound considerate, but just because ... well, I'm a curious person. I want to know what there is to know, and if I like it, I want to try it out. I don't have any problems watching porn, getting addicted to that stuff sounds a bit far-fetched to me really, and I don't have a problem masturbating, whether I'm in a relationship or not. And I don't have a problem with my partner doing that either, on the contrary, I enjoy watching him...
*probably shouldn't have said that Well, I did delete my post, as I disagreed with quite a few things he said.

Basically, I subscribe to your basic Christian idea that sex should be only between a husband and a wife… and that pretty much explains my view, as obviously *solitary* masturbation doesn't come into that.

Note the asterisks around solitary, and thanks for spelling my name right.

Well, I did delete my post, as I disagreed with quite a few things he said.

Basically, I subscribe to your basic Christian idea that sex should be only between a husband and a wife… and that pretty much explains my view, as obviously *solitary* masturbation doesn't come into that.

Note the asterisks around solitary, and thanks for spelling my name right.

It's your opinion and you have every right to it.
I guess I'm just a little more selective than the vast majority about which parts of the bible I find true and worthy of pursueing. And having sex only as husband and wife doesn't belong to them. I saw how following that belief (along with a few others) made my mother's life miserable and I don't intend to imitate her.
I never thought of sex or anything related to it as anything immoral or unnatural, as long as you don't hurt other people.

It's your opinion and you have every right to it.
I guess I'm just a little more selective than the vast majority about which parts of the bible I find true and worthy of pursueing. And having sex only as husband and wife doesn't belong to them. I saw how following that belief (along with a few others) made my mother's life miserable and I don't intend to imitate her.
I never thought of sex or anything related to it as anything immoral or unnatural, as long as you don't hurt other people. The Catholic Church actually believes that some parts of the Bible are only relevant to Jewish law… don't think I take the bits I like. I know what that leads to.

Just curious - how could just having sexual relations with your husband/wife actually make you miserable? Unless they weren't fulfilling or something, which wouldn't actually be to do with the limit itself, but an attitude you'd have ingrained into you. Not that I know that much about sex… :rolleyes:

Hmm.. I wouldn't qualify for that reason anyway, as I'm girl. But considering that this part of the bible is most likely the one that also demands you wearing tassles on you clothes and never wear linen and wollen clothes together, as well as stone your mother in law if she talks bad about your sheep or something, I keep wondering why people are so very selective about which of those rules they want to follow?

Most of the old testament the rules were to keep one spiritually and ritualistically clean. We no longer needed a mediation ritual of any sorts when the prophesy was fulfilled when Christ rose on the third day. It isn't we that are selective, it is the fact we no longer have to go through rigorious rituals. We have to follow the law and not sin and repent when we do sin, not slaughter a perfect lamb on an alter. Maybe you should find answers before you question on a subject you apparantly have very little knowledge of.

I don't really see anything wrong with it, although, it's probably best not to do it because it will desensatize you to the feeling and it wont be as pleasurable when you're actually having sex.

The Catholic Church actually believes that some parts of the Bible are only relevant to Jewish law… don't think I take the bits I like. I know what that leads to.

Just curious - how could just having sexual relations with your husband/wife actually make you miserable? Unless they weren't fulfilling or something, which wouldn't actually be to do with the limit itself, but an attitude you'd have ingrained into you. Not that I know that much about sex… :rolleyes:

First of all, one of our teachers in religious education once told us that the teachings of Christ can be brought down to one simple sentence : Love god and all humans as you love yourself. That's what I follow, basically. I don't go with rules unless I know and understand the reason. Everything else is blind faith, which can be extremely irresponsible and hurtful to others.

My mother married my father when she was 19, she never had other boyfriends and they "waited" until they got married. At that age my mother was one of those "firm believers" who would do as the church told her to. She had three kids, at least one of whom her dear husband molested and occasinally beat half unconcious (I don't really know about my brothers, I never saw him do anything to them) But my mother stayed with him, because the priest told her that leaving him would be sin and that it is better for children to have a father.
After 17 years, she finally couldn't stand it any longer and left him (for which I am eternally grateful) About two years ago, she had a very short affair with one of our neighbours, it didn't work out for them as they are too different.
some weeks back my mom confessed to me that that was the first time in her life that she ever had an orgasm. She's 54 now...
If anybody had told her that masturbation is ok, if anybody had told her that sex before marriage is a good thing for learning, if anybody had told her that it's ok to leave your husband if you don't get along....

Most of the old testament the rules were to keep one spiritually and ritualistically clean. We no longer needed a mediation ritual of any sorts when the prophesy was fulfilled when Christ rose on the third day. It isn't we that are selective, it is the fact we no longer have to go through rigorious rituals. We have to follow the law and not sin and repent when we do sin, not slaughter a perfect lamb on an alter. Maybe you should find answers before you question on a subject you apparantly have very little knowledge of.

I should have the answers before I ask the questions? :rolleyes:

I don't really see anything wrong with it, although, it's probably best not to do it because it will desensatize you to the feeling and it wont be as pleasurable when you're actually having sex.

Who told you THAT? Honestly, I've never heard that before. I heard something similar being said about circumcision, but a Jewish friend told me that wasn't true, either

It isn't we that are selective, it is the fact we no longer have to go through rigorious rituals.

But, if Jesus broke the Covenant with his coming, why are some of the rules still strictly adhered to, while others are conveniently ignored? Staying ritualistically and spiritually pure doesn't explain why we CAN eat pork, screw our menstruating wives, and do other shit with no fear of retribution, but if I decide I'd like a man in my bed, I am conventiently labeled as hell-bound. Where is the line drawn in what Christ's coming destroyed and what remained intact? Who draws this line, for the man himself did not.

I think that is the question that was asked, just not as wordy...

But maybe I need to find more answers before I question things that I want to know about, right... Or, no... Hmm. What...? Regardless, eating camel-meat is as sinful as masturbation. Don't forget that shit.

Who told you THAT? Honestly, I've never heard that before. I heard something similar being said about circumcision, but a Jewish friend told me that wasn't true, either

Watch Penn and Teller: Bullshit. They have an episode about circumcision, and aside from losing a good bit of your girth, you are also losing about half of the nerve endings in the -skin- of your thing.

They prove pretty well that while aesthetically pleasing, a cut penis is a weapon only half-loaded. :)

{Edited to add the reply to CW}

If masturbation is wrong, then I don't want to be right. :D

Watch Penn and Teller: Bullshit. They have an episode about circumcision, and aside from losing a good bit of your girth, you are also losing about half of the nerve endings in the -skin- of your thing.

They prove pretty well that while aesthetically pleasing, a cut penis is a weapon only half-loaded. :)

{Edited to add the reply to CW}

Hmm... I wouldn't know that first-hand, really. But do you also believe that masturbation makes you less sensitive when you have sex?

Hmm... I wouldn't know that first-hand, really. But do you also believe that masturbation makes you less sensitive when you have sex?

Perhaps. I mean, you can only eat one thing so many times before it gets old, no matter how good it tasted when you began. But, as a kid I think it's probably a good thing to get your juices flowing before the time comes to really get down. Puberty is an awkward time, and jerking off is doubtless more soothing than sticky, blundering fumblings in the basement of your girlfriend's house. And even if those sticky fumbling -do- lead somewhere, it's probably best to be prepared for what's about to happen. An orgasm could easily turn into a nightmare if the offending orgasm-er wasn't prepared for the gravity of the situation.

Being a big fan of sex, I might need to be a little less sensitive, in crucial moments. ;) I like the act and passion of sex, not just the warm, squishy feeling, so perhaps I should feel myself a little more often and desensitise myself.

mmmmm wanking.


We love it.

Perhaps. I mean, you can only eat one thing so many times before it gets old, no matter how good it tasted when you began. But, as a kid I think it's probably a good thing to get your juices flowing before the time comes to really get down. Puberty is an awkward time, and jerking off is doubtless more soothing than sticky, blundering fumblings in the basement of your girlfriend's house. And even if those sticky fumbling -do- lead somewhere, it's probably best to be prepared for what's about to happen. An orgasm could easily turn into a nightmare if the offending orgasm-er wasn't prepared for the gravity of the situation.

Being a big fan of sex, I might need to be a little less sensitive, in crucial moments. ;) I like the act and passion of sex, not just the warm, squishy feeling, so perhaps I should feel myself a little more often and desensitise myself.

I just lack comparison here... most of the men I know would masturbate more or less regularly, but I never had the impression that they lacked sensitivity.
Regarding girls, the statement is just plain wrong. Sexual feelings are a little more complex then they are for men, so it's very important to just know what to do and how to do it. You can't expect the guy to guess, you have to tell him or show him what you like. Every girl is different, so no matter how much experience the man has, he just won't know what does it for you.
And you don't grow less sensitive when you masturbate, on the contrary. You find the sensitive spots and you find different ways to make them respond.

I say wrong. That is my wife's area, not for me.
As for possible cancer fighting, just having intercourse prevent Prostate cancer too.

It's almost like real sex!

An orgasm could easily turn into a nightmare if the offending orgasm-er wasn't prepared for the gravity of the situation. "Gravity of the situation"? Please explain… don't think I understand.

Right, um...

My son once had a very disturbing experience when it came to this.

You see, when he was in H.S. he was taking a management class and there was this kid that sat there and couldn't stand the class. Well, 2 weeks into the year he started pleasuring himself in the middle of class where everone could see in the middle of the room.

Fortunately, the kid was embarrassed by the teacher on the last day of class, (my son's sophomore year) and he took his hand out of his pants after he had just ejaculated and had "whitewash" all over his hand. The teacher said, "So thats what you've been doing all year, huh? I always wondered why you were never in a bad mood after you left this classroom?" Fortunately again, the teacher was a guy with a good sense of humor.

:headbang: :gundge:

Right, um...

My son once had a very disturbing experience when it came to this.

You see, when he was in H.S. he was taking a management class and there was this kid that sat there and couldn't stand the class. Well, 2 weeks into the year he started pleasuring himself in the middle of class where everone could see in the middle of the room.

Fortunately, the kid was embarrassed by the teacher on the last day of class, (my son's sophomore year) and he took his hand out of his pants after he had just ejaculated and had "whitewash" all over his hand. The teacher said, "So thats what you've been doing all year, huh? I always wondered why you were never in a bad mood after you left this classroom?" Fortunately again, the teacher was a guy with a good sense of humor.

:headbang: :gundge: OMG! That would mortify me to death if I was discovered doing that! Not that I do actually fap in a classroom or 't all.

Heh… fap's a good word for it.

Right, um...

My son once had a very disturbing experience when it came to this.

You see, when he was in H.S. he was taking a management class and there was this kid that sat there and couldn't stand the class. Well, 2 weeks into the year he started pleasuring himself in the middle of class where everone could see in the middle of the room.

Fortunately, the kid was embarrassed by the teacher on the last day of class, (my son's sophomore year) and he took his hand out of his pants after he had just ejaculated and had "whitewash" all over his hand. The teacher said, "So thats what you've been doing all year, huh? I always wondered why you were never in a bad mood after you left this classroom?" Fortunately again, the teacher was a guy with a good sense of humor.

:headbang: :gundge:

Ok, now THAT kid had some serious problems. In the middle of a classroom... if I needed it so badly I would at least excuse myself and hide in the toilet or something.

IIRC the OT "sin" of Onanisim is not per-se about masterbation, but of birth control by coitus-interruptus... that and the specific refusal to obey tribal custom by (not) giving his (dead) brother's wife an heir...

"A baby every time (possible)" was pretty much the rule for tribal cultures needing to survive high infant mortality rates, famine & tribal warfare (that's why the advice to "spill your seed in a whore"... she still got preggers and bastards made good sword-fodder)...

Oh, and outside of the Prostate Health issue, My answer is "neither".