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Scientologists, Do they really believe this stuff?

Blessed Assurance
04-06-2005, 08:23
Warning, the scientologists say that if you read this information and you are not a level3 scientologist then you will die. Your mind cannot grasp the truth of our origins and the knowledge will kill you. Here it is....... Any comments, any scientologists here wanna try to explain this?

Transcript:
Data (1) (1)
The head of the Galactic
Confederation (76 planets around
larger stars visible from here)
(founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera)
solved overpopulation (250 billion
or so per planet) -- 178 billion
average) by mass implanting.
He caused people to be brought to
Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H Bomb
on the principal volcanoes (Incident 2)
and then the Pacific area ones
were taken in boxes to Hawaii
and the Atlantic Area ones to
Las Palmas and there "packaged."
His name was Xenu. He used
renegades. Various misleading
data by means of circuits etc.
were placed in the implants.
When through with his crime Loyal Officers
(to the people) captured him
after 6 years of battle
and put him in an electronic
mountain trap where he still
is. "They" are gone. The place (Confed.)
has since been a desert.
Evil Arch Conservative
04-06-2005, 08:29
I think I'm getting a headache, but that's just because my the my headphones were a bit too loud. Otherwise, I feel fine.

Weird, isn't it? I always wondered if anyone ever smuggled information out of those confidential upper levels of Scientology. I'm going to have to look for more of their secrets. I wonder if they know who the second shooter on the grassy knoll was?
Rogue Angelica
04-06-2005, 08:32
This sounds like it came from random misfirings of Starcraft programming...
Lashie
04-06-2005, 08:33
uhh... that was weird... can someone please tell me whether that's real as in people believe it... :confused:
Blessed Assurance
04-06-2005, 08:37
They have a sort of hate list called SP (suppressive person) list. If you speak out against them, or they generally dont like you, you can get blacklisted, harassed, and discriminated against.
Blessed Assurance
04-06-2005, 08:40
They have a sort of hate list called SP (suppressive person) list. If you speak out against them, or they generally dont like you, you can get blacklisted, harassed, and discriminated against.
I'm probably on it now......
Evil Arch Conservative
04-06-2005, 08:51
You'll never be able to enter one of their churches again!

I don't know how you found that, but from what I gather you can't just type 'Scientology documents' into Google and expect to see all their secrets. I did find a way to obtain their scripture (http://search.freewinds.cx/skriptures.html) though. :)
Potaria
04-06-2005, 08:53
Scientology is some freaky shit, that's for sure...
Blessed Assurance
04-06-2005, 08:55
Take it for what its worth....

http://www.xenu.net/archive/OTIII-scholar/
Undelia
04-06-2005, 08:56
Oh yeah, people beleive it. Tom Cruise and that dumb girl he is going to marry beleive in it. It is very popular among American celebrities.
Crimson Sith
04-06-2005, 09:07
Oh yeah, people beleive it. Tom Cruise and that dumb girl he is going to marry beleive in it. It is very popular among American celebrities.

You've got to be kidding me. Are there no limits to the stupidity? Arrrg... :headbang:
Bogstonia
04-06-2005, 09:16
You mean Katie Holmes converted? Wow.

As for that link, it sounds like a really lame black humour joke.

Why can't Lisa McPherson read this page?

Because she's dead, that's why!
Blessed Assurance
04-06-2005, 09:17
If you thought that was weird, check out this insanity...

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/

I'm sending this to jeff kay's thewvsr.com it would fit well in "the mountain"
Marmite Toast
04-06-2005, 09:54
Voila: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
Blessed Assurance
04-06-2005, 10:37
Voila: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
That is hilarious, not even movie worthy, maybe comic book.
Daistallia 2104
04-06-2005, 11:42
I'm probably on it now......

While I am also considered an SP by the Scientologists I know, I doubt either of us are on the DECLARED SUPPRESSIVE PERSONS: list (http://www.xenu.net/archive/enemy_names/enemy_list.html).

Scientology officially defines an SP as:

suppressive person: a person who possesses a distinct set of characteristics and mental attitudes that cause him to suppress other people in his vicinity. This is the person whose behavior is calculated to be disastrous. Also called antisocial personality. See†Chapter†17.

In practical terms anyone who "spreads anti-scientology propaganda" (as a former friend and teacher, who was using $cientology in his class, termed it when I asked hard questions about Xenu, deaths in the cult, and similar subjects) is liable to be considered either a PTS (potential trouble source or SP. Scientologists are suposed to "disconnect" from PTSs and SPs.

http://www.xenu.net/ is a good starting point.
BackwoodsSquatches
04-06-2005, 12:12
For those of you who dont know...

Scientology was invented by L. Ron Hubbard...a sci-fi book writer, who wrote "BattleField Earth."

Wich was later adapted into one of the worst movies ever.

Anyone who takes actual spiritual stock in any religion created by A FU*KING SCI-FI AUTHOR.....is an idiot of the highest calibre.
SimNewtonia
04-06-2005, 12:23
The whole notion of this "religion", if it can truly be called that, is ridiculous. Ok, I might buy the possibility of life on other planets (despite being a Christian, I do recognise that it's at least a scientific possibility). This, on the other hand, is ludicrous, and while possible, is a highly unlikely chain of events.
BackwoodsSquatches
04-06-2005, 12:26
The whole notion of this "religion", if it can truly be called that, is ridiculous. Ok, I might buy the possibility of life on other planets (despite being a Christian, I do recognise that it's at least a scientific possibility). This, on the other hand, is ludicrous, and while possible, is a highly unlikely chain of events.


What would be even more unbelieveable is the idea that two nudists took dietary advice from a talking snake, populated the world, and eventually...some guy told people to eat his body, and then comes back from the dead.
Gartref
04-06-2005, 12:28
What would be even more unbelieveable is the idea that two nudists took dietary advice from a talking snake, populated the world, and eventually...some guy told people to eat his body, and then comes back from the dead.

Now that's not fair. Scientology is at least 20% more unbelievable than any other religion.


Except Mormanism. That's too close to call.
New Fuglies
04-06-2005, 12:36
Warning, the scientologists say that if you read this information and you are not a level3 scientologist then you will die. Your mind cannot grasp the truth of our origins and the knowledge will kill you. Here it is....... Any comments, any scientologists here wanna try to explain this?

Transcript:
Data (1) (1)
The head of the Galactic
Confederation (76 planets around
larger stars visible from here)
(founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera)
solved overpopulation (250 billion
or so per planet) -- 178 billion
average) by mass implanting.
He caused people to be brought to
Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H Bomb
on the principal volcanoes (Incident 2)
and then the Pacific area ones
were taken in boxes to Hawaii
and the Atlantic Area ones to
Las Palmas and there "packaged."
His name was Xenu. He used
renegades. Various misleading
data by means of circuits etc.
were placed in the implants.
When through with his crime Loyal Officers
(to the people) captured him
after 6 years of battle
and put him in an electronic
mountain trap where he still
is. "They" are gone. The place (Confed.)
has since been a desert.


They should teach this alongside evolution or creation. :)
Ashmoria
04-06-2005, 14:49
They should teach this alongside evolution or creation. :)
YEAH

wheres the biology lesson on dead aliens in your head???

damned secular humanists!
OceanDrive
04-06-2005, 15:40
Scientology was invented by L. Ron Hubbard...a sci-fi book writer, who wrote "BattleField Earth."

Wich was later adapted into one of the worst movies ever.I do not think Scientology is a true religion..but I enjoyed the movie very much...
Themacia
04-06-2005, 15:55
Nah, Scientology is a scam. I once went in to the Church of Scientology store in London for one of their stress tests. Even that was a scam. I lied about being terrified about flying and the needle went off the scale. I'm not terrified of flying, I'm a commercial pilot.
Demented Hamsters
04-06-2005, 15:58
For those of you who dont know...

Scientology was invented by L. Ron Hubbard...a sci-fi book writer, who wrote "BattleField Earth."

Wich was later adapted into one of the worst movies ever.

Anyone who takes actual spiritual stock in any religion created by A FU*KING SCI-FI AUTHOR.....is an idiot of the highest calibre.
You forgot to mention that he was also discharged from the Military based on pychological problems - mainly he was suffering from low-level schizophrenia.

Of course, Scientology claim he was a fantastic and hugely decorated WWII war hero.

To cope with his condition he drank heavily and took a shitload of pills. Not the best course of action for anyone, let alone a borderline schizophrenic.
Does explain a helluva lot about his writings and 'visions' though.
Neo-Anarchists
04-06-2005, 16:43
Apparently, Scientologists do believe that. I wish I knew what other wacky stuff they believe, but they don't seem to like letting information out.

Also, I love the Co$ strategy of attempting to censor everybody they don't like. If I ever start a cult, I'll have to take a leaf from their book.
Eintenland
04-06-2005, 16:51
What would be even more unbelieveable is the idea that two nudists took dietary advice from a talking snake, populated the world, and eventually...some guy told people to eat his body, and then comes back from the dead.


hahaha I love you

Anyway, all religion is pretty unbelieveable. It's all based on myth and story and faith.
Chicken pi
04-06-2005, 17:37
Nah, Scientology is a scam. I once went in to the Church of Scientology store in London for one of their stress tests. Even that was a scam. I lied about being terrified about flying and the needle went off the scale. I'm not terrified of flying, I'm a commercial pilot.

Stress tests? I'm curious, what do they involve?
Neo-Anarchists
04-06-2005, 17:41
Ooh, some choice quotes from Hubbard himself:

“ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.”

“The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.”

“Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’ By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not.”

“MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.”

“There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.”

“The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered.”

The man was a genocidal loon.
Ph33rdom
04-06-2005, 18:01
The essence of it, the idea that we are populated via galactic travelers and we need to procreate and fight the other bad-guy galactic guys (usually relatives) is surprisingly similar between, Scientology, Mormonism and Freemasons...


Here's a clue for you, a rule of thumb per-se:

If anyone tells you that you , you have to vow with a slash of your throat, and agree to being disemboweled should you ever reveal the secrets to anyone else, before they can reveal the secrets with you...

You can take it that their secret is kind of stupid and they don't want everyone else to know how ridiculous they are for believing it...
Themacia
04-06-2005, 18:03
Stress tests? I'm curious, what do they involve?

They claim holding two tin cans hooked up to a rigged meter lets them measure the "bad energy" in your body. In reality I suspect they're operated bu pressure via a footpad hidden under the carpet.
Kavenna
04-06-2005, 18:28
Now that's not fair. Scientology is at least 20% more unbelievable than any other religion.


Except Mormanism. That's too close to call.

First, I find it dispicable that people find fun in bashing others' religions without respect - something every religion, no matter how improbable, deserves.

Second, I would like to know how someone who can't even spell "Mormonism" (let alone know, I'm sure, that the church's real name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) can know enough to denounce it as thoroughly unbelieveable.

How is this possible? What do you know, if anything, about the LDS church? Pray tell.

(Clue: We don't practice polygamy, hold sacrifices in our temples, or threaten to disembowel anyone. There's a start.)
Ph33rdom
04-06-2005, 18:39
First, I find it dispicable that people find fun in bashing others' religions without respect - something every religion, no matter how improbable, deserves.

Second, I would like to know how someone who can't even spell "Mormonism" (let alone know, I'm sure, that the church's real name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) can know enough to denounce it as thoroughly unbelieveable.

How is this possible? What do you know, if anything, about the LDS church? Pray tell.

(Clue: We don't practice polygamy, hold sacrifices in our temples, or threaten to disembowel anyone. There's a start.)

Not to seem unsympathetic, but really, do you know your own ideology? The LDS only changed their name so that it would be more acceptable to outsiders. And as a matter of fact, the LDS church does believe in polygamy, they just don't practice it anymore, they do take vows of disemboweling and cutting their own throat and they think that Jesus and Satan are actually brothers from the same table that argued about how Earth should be populated. Once indoctrinated they need to wear special underwear to protect them from evil and that when they die they will be rewarded with sexual gratification to populate the universe with more of their kind...

When you get really into it, you find out who they really think was right between Jesus and Lucifer, and it's not who you might expect.
Decomposing Roadkill
04-06-2005, 18:44
Aw, Lucifer just had a bad press agent, that's all.
Daistallia 2104
04-06-2005, 19:00
They claim holding two tin cans hooked up to a rigged meter lets them measure the "bad energy" in your body. In reality I suspect they're operated bu pressure via a footpad hidden under the carpet.

IIRC, it's usually a riggered "personality test". It's rigged in such a way that the testee comes up with personality flaws that can only be cured by the Co$ (ta-da!).

Oxford Capacity Analysis (http://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/) (aka "American Personality Analysis")

Fromn what I know, you're refering to the "e-meter" - basically a cheap lie detector - that's used in "auditing" (confession). That really isn't manipulated, but abused, AFAIK.
Klingon gork
04-06-2005, 19:03
The guy who criate scientology write a good book "Battlefield Earth"
Ashmoria
04-06-2005, 19:54
First, I find it dispicable that people find fun in bashing others' religions without respect - something every religion, no matter how improbable, deserves.

Second, I would like to know how someone who can't even spell "Mormonism" (let alone know, I'm sure, that the church's real name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) can know enough to denounce it as thoroughly unbelieveable.

How is this possible? What do you know, if anything, about the LDS church? Pray tell.

(Clue: We don't practice polygamy, hold sacrifices in our temples, or threaten to disembowel anyone. There's a start.)
PSSSSSSST

before you have a stroke, you should check out the links in gartrefs sig.
Marmite Toast
04-06-2005, 20:10
Is Scientology only considered a real religion in the USA or is it the same in other countries too?
Ashmoria
04-06-2005, 20:33
its banned in some countries.
Marmite Toast
04-06-2005, 20:39
its banned in some countries.

Which ones? *crosses fingers*
Drunk commies deleted
04-06-2005, 20:41
Which ones? *crosses fingers*
I think Germany's one.
Marmite Toast
04-06-2005, 21:05
Well done to Germany!
Daistallia 2104
05-06-2005, 03:56
The Co$ has numerous front groups such as Narconon (not to be confused with NarcAnon (http://www.narcanon.net/)). Narconon has been banned from schools in some areas.

The guy who criate scientology write a good book "Battlefield Earth"

:::shudders:::
Bottle
05-06-2005, 04:04
What I find funny is that people laugh at Scientology while maintaining their belief in a book about magic zombies and talking snakes. I don't find Scientology any more or less foolish than any of the major religions, and I have yet to hear anybody explain why I should.
Blackfoot Barrens
05-06-2005, 04:37
Now now, I think that all religions demand our respect. People should be free to join any group they please.

However, if they believe any of the utter nonsense their religion vomits onto them then they're absolute morons.
Northern Fox
05-06-2005, 05:38
Scientology officially defines an SP as:

Hey cool, a new label! Now I can be a right wing, theocrat, talk radio zombie, bush clone, random string of expletives, fundamentalist, neocon, whitey, the man, nazi, and an SP.
Fass
05-06-2005, 05:50
Be very careful people. The Church of Scientology is notoriously litigious. As mentioned in a previous post in this thread their policy is to use the law to harass and that people who speak out against them have no rights, and can be abused with impunity.

This would not be the first site they have shut down with lawsuits.
Daistallia 2104
05-06-2005, 06:24
Be very careful people. The Church of Scientology is notoriously litigious. As mentioned in a previous post in this thread their policy is to use the law to harass and that people who speak out against them have no rights, and can be abused with impunity.

This would not be the first site they have shut down with lawsuits.

The lawsuits are aimed at much bigger fish than this thread. Note that this isn't the first thread on Co$. No problems yet.