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Have you ever done this before? Even for like, halloween?

Nope.

Yep. In a competition with a dozen other blokes, to see who was the ugliest woman. I didn't win, but I didn't lose either.

Yep, bound my chest up and went a boy-ish as I could. T'was fun actually.

Well, there was the Halloween I went as The Hairy Godmother although I had to change it to Igna the East German Gymnast ( steriods, what this steriods everyone asking me if I on?) because people were too drunk to notice I wasn't saying I was the The Fairy Godmother which could have been taken entirely the wrong way for the costume.

Yep. When I had long hair, my (now ex)GF and I switched roles for Halloween. Did the whole 9 yards and wore a japanese tea dress and one of her bras (stuffed, natch).

The scary part is -- if I had shaved my arms and legs, I'd have been pretty damned passable...and hot. :eek:

hahahaha haha ha ha.

i wear my boyfriend's clothes all the time... i guess i would consider that cross-dressing, even though i'm not trying to pass for a boy.

i have done it to pass for a boy for halloween and a couple of other times for fun.

Nope. If I ever so much as consider crossdressing, I'll hang myself with a bra.

I used to date a goth girl who wanted me to wear a skirt when we went to the club - I said "uh, no thanks"...

I think a 6'3'' 300lb. dude with a goatee and crewcut would look a little - silly - in a skirt...now, if it was a kilt, thats another matter!

Yes, every day...

Are we talking crossdressing for kinks, or for practicality?

I grew up on a farm in the rural highlands. We were about 1000 metres above sea level. We were snowed in for a month every year. It was not optimum skirt climate. I grew up in jeans/overalls/longjohns. I would beg my mother to let me wear dresses and skirts, but most of the time it was impractical.

Now that I'm all grown up and I live in a warmer climate, I have maybe 3 skirts in my wardrobe. I have short pants, jeans and dress slacks. I have more sneakers and boots than ladies shoes. I dress for practicality, though my lifestyle nowadays isn't as outdoorsy as my childhood. Skirts are awkward, and they allow for cold draughts where cold draughts ought not to blow.

I'm tempted to get me some of those boxer jocks that guys wear. They look comfortable, and would be better ventilated. Vaginas need to breath, too.

Have you ever done this before? Even for like, halloween?
What's crossdressing? Someone could say I crossdress all the time but in western culture it's ok for women to wear what ever they want, it's hard to think that as crossdressing. Have I ever tried to look like a man? yes.

I know men who wear skirts (long) in public and men who wear skirts (long) at cottage or at home or in other private palces just because they are much more comfortable when the weather is hot. They don't try to look like women, they are after practicality just like women were when they started to use trousers.

It's sad that in the 21st century men still can't wear what they want where they want without weird stares and open guessing about their sexuality.

Are we talking crossdressing for kinks, or for practicality?

I grew up on a farm in the rural highlands. We were about 1000 metres above sea level. We were snowed in for a month every year. It was not optimum skirt climate. I grew up in jeans/overalls/longjohns. I would beg my mother to let me wear dresses and skirts, but most of the time it was impractical.

Now that I'm all grown up and I live in a warmer climate, I have maybe 3 skirts in my wardrobe. I have short pants, jeans and dress slacks. I have more sneakers and boots than ladies shoes. I dress for practicality, though my lifestyle nowadays isn't as outdoorsy as my childhood. Skirts are awkward, and they allow for cold draughts where cold draughts ought not to blow.

I'm tempted to get me some of those boxer jocks that guys wear. They look comfortable, and would be better ventilated. Vaginas need to breath, too.

Hah. If you're gonna get boxers, don't get the satin type. They're no good for ventilation, *ahem* down there.

we once had a contest about who was the best woman with 20 guys ... We spent an entire day acting like women in 3 different cities.

There's a humorous and joking side to cross dressing (which I'm too conservative and uninterested to try), please note that it can also be used as a form of sexual humilation (much like the Abu Graibh nudes) towards men.

Serious cross dressers have psychological issues. I would never mistaken people despite their gender disguises and I would certainly take caution and offense when I see one.

One of my old boyfriends used does and he was very convincing.

It's sad that in the 21st century men still can't wear what they want where they want without weird stares and open guessing about their sexuality.

Couldn't agree more.

I can tell you from experience that I make a homely woman...and a very sexy man.

I also have long hair, so from the back, at a distance I can be mistaken for a woman....until I turn around.

I do wear a kilt each year for a weekend.

Kilts rock.

If you havent worn one.....let me tell you this...

The only thing I've ever agreed with Prince Charles is when he said "There is nothing more manly to wear than a kilt."

Wearing a kilt gives you an instant swagger, once you get comfortable in one.
They also make your penis grow three inches, and give you a desire to kill Englishmen.....strange, really.

Crossdressing is only appropriate on Good Friday.

Lets see ive Cropdressed and Cross-Stiched but never Cropstiched and definatly never Crossdressed! :D

It's amazing. You do realize that before the 20th c, if a woman dared to wear slacks, SHE was considered a crossdresser, right?

;) Though I will admit I still find it a little jarring unless the guy is wearing a kilt....

It's amazing. You do realize that before the 20th c, if a woman dared to wear slacks, SHE was considered a crossdresser, right?

;) Though I will admit I still find it a little jarring unless the guy is wearing a kilt....
I would have to agree noone wants to see me in a miniskirt...

A couple of years ago my girlfriend at the time dressed my up with her black short dress and she put make-up on me and stuffed my bra

I got long hair and look sort of like a girl otherwise too, so you can imagine I looked steeming hot, hell even I wanted too have sex with me when I looked in the mirror! :D

I really should have shaved my legs though...

I wish I had some pictures of me back then to jerk of too.

Anyway I wanted to have lesbian-sex(well sort of) with my girl as I was so turned on, but she replied
-but it would be like beeing unfaithful...
Preety sweet responce I guess.

I also crossdress sometimes when I´am drunk

Vaginas need to breathe, too.
Quote of the Week! :D

Serious cross dressers have psychological issues. I would never mistaken people despite their gender disguises and I would certainly take caution and offense when I see one.

Offended by cross-dressers? That's silly.

I will be a permanent one for a while, starting about september, then after a year or so I won't be. (guess why. No points for managing it.) At the moment, however, I don't. Although this is purely because there is NEVER a time when I am alone to do so.

Crossdressers either offend me, or simply cause me to laugh at them in a vicious and offensive manner. I pay no respect to those who are unsure of their gender.

It's sad that in the 21st century men still can't wear what they want where they want without weird stares and open guessing about their sexuality.

Let's not forget that there are still gender roles in this century and men have an obligation to themselves and the wider community as role models. If every man dress like a fag, it would the human race's destruction.

heh...just a couple of times

Hah. If you're gonna get boxers, don't get the satin type. They're no good for ventilation, *ahem* down there.

ROFLMAO. They'r no good for ventilation down under and she lives in Australia. :D

a couple halloweens, and i had long hair and a big enough chest that i tricked a couple people.

When I went my first Burning Man Festival (http://www.burningman.com/) back in 2001, I got the full draqueen treatment (except the tuck) and went to The Burn (http://images.burningman.com/index.cgi?image=155&results=13299,299,155,146&ord=3/4&skip=0&q_photog=&q_category=&q_keyword=the%20man%20burning&q_year=) dressed as an insane Scandavian Disco Diva. I'm straight but could resist the opportunity to have some fun with crossdressing in a place where I would get no negative comments or bad additude. I got a lot of complements and scared the living daylight out of the perv who kept grabbing my ass when grabbed his filthy paws and started crushing them (I'm a sculptor in metal and stone...I have very strong hands) I got hit on by a lot of guys. Some were embarassed when they realized I was guy, some it didn't even phase, while others hit on me because I was a guy in a dress.

I got a lot attention from females too, but along the lines of "Nice dress, good make up, nail polish tips etc. I found it all to be pretty funny, and nobody had any problems with a straight dude in evening gown and cape having a fun time. I wouldn't do that anywhere else though. In the Big Bad World out there, peoples insensativities and insecurities conspire to make it a much less pleasant proposition.

Crossdressers either offend me, or simply cause me to laugh at them in a vicious and offensive manner. I pay no respect to those who are unsure of their gender.

Does that make you feel like a big man? I hope that you are proud of yourself knowing that your completely un-necessary rudeness has no benefit other than to cast a negative impression of yourself and to cause someone else upset. Way to go :rolleyes:

Perhaps you should consider that those who go through what we do, despite your mocking tones, are stronger than you could ever hope to be, since you find pleasure in attempting to destroy them.

a couple halloweens, and i had long hair and a big enough chest that i tricked a couple people.

Tricked a couple of people? Did the men attempted to pay you for sex? LOL!

Tricked a couple of people? Did the men attempted to pay you for sex? LOL!
yeah pay, and cause they ate the pay that means they arer thejjsadkjahjkhakjhskjhkjhsha and they killed DETAH and I HATE THEM!!!! THEY ALL MJST DIIEEEEE oh lord plaease hear my cry i love you and i want all to be happy but they cannot live no they CANNNNOT!!! i HAET Them DIEEEEEE they are HateeE!! Hate them all;l. :p

Let's not forget that there are still gender roles in this century and men have an obligation to themselves and the wider community as role models. If every man dress like a fag, it would the human race's destruction.



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Really? And I suppose you feel that women should be good little housewives? If women can break gender stereotypes, why can't men? And why would the human race be destroyed if gender stereotypes were broken? And why would "every man" dress that way? Does every woman wear pants? How closed minded can one be?

ROFLMAO. They'r no good for ventilation down under and she lives in Australia. :D

w00t, that's probably my first unintentional pun. Didn't notice she was in the sunburnt country.

g'day all.

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Really? And I suppose you feel that women should be good little housewives? If women can break gender stereotypes, why can't men? And why would the human race be destroyed if gender stereotypes were broken? And why would "every man" dress that way? Does every woman wear pants? How closed minded can one be?

Nothing wrong with women being employed (it contributes to the economy), but why should men dress seriously as their opposite gender? What's next, cut their dicks off and claim that they can give birth? Certain roles are defined and unalterable. There is a just a general acceptance of women wearing some parts of male clothing (by styles that have been altered to suit women more), but not for men to be dressed like some Thai transexual whore.

Please note that I have nothing against the Scots and their kilts.

Nothing wrong with women being employed (it contributes to the economy), but why should men dress seriously as their opposite gender? What's next, cut their dicks off and claim that they can give birth? Certain roles are defined and unalterable.


Are you offended by women dressing in pants?
How are men any different then women?

Don't you know that using the slippery slope argument is a sure-fire sign of psuedo-reasoning?

Nothing wrong with women being employed (it contributes to the economy), but why should men dress seriously as their opposite gender? What's next, cut their dicks off and claim that they can give birth? Certain roles are defined and unalterable.

I don't think any transsexual claims they can give birth. But again. What harm does it do? We're still contributing members to society. You display a noteworthy lack of any knowledge of transsexuality, doubtless intentional. I don't see why a man needs to be a *puts on gruff voice* "man of the house, HOO-ARGH!" in order to preserve society. Why, if you don't mind me asking, have you decided it will collapse? oh, and since you mentioned people dressing like fags, I'll remind you of something. The finest soldiers in recorded history were gay. So you can tell me when they ruin things, m'kay?

Are you offended by women dressing in pants?
How are men any different then women?

Don't you know that using the slippery slope argument is a sure-fire sign of psuedo-reasoning?

I've said before, I'm not offended by women in pants, but if a man's in a skirt and feels that it's actually 'liberating' then I suspect that he's a dung puncher.

What's next, cut their dicks off and claim that they can give birth?

Actually, that may not be too far off.

I've said before, I'm not offended by women in pants, but if a man's in a skirt and feels that it's actually 'liberating' then I suspect that he's a dung puncher.

You must not have many friends.

At times like these, I just tune out and think of conc. camps. I'm not anti-Semitic, but I liked their efficiency.

I've said before, I'm not offended by women in pants, but if a man's in a skirt and feels that it's actually 'liberating' then I suspect that he's a dung puncher.

Soooo...it's alright for women to cross-dress and not men? Women often reffered to wearing pants as 'liberating'. Why should women be given freedom that men can not enjoy? Just because you, personally, would never do it doesn't mean that someone else would want to. You're desire to wear only masculine clothes shouldn't mean that anyone who doesn't share your desire is inferior.

You must not have many friends.

I do have friends. There are many people that I can relate to.

Well, being a girl there's no particular stigma attached to cross dressing- I can wear trousers and usually no one bats an eye, but I've never actually dressed up as a guy.

You must not have many friends.

I do have friends. There are many people that I can relate to. What I don't make friends with are people who can't tell their dick from a p*ssy.

Well, being a girl there's no particular stigma attached to cross dressing- I can wear trousers and usually no one bats an eye, but I've never actually dressed up as a guy.

Did you enter a men's room and tried to use a urinal as well? I hope you didn't get booted out off the female toilets because of your attire. LOL!

To me, crossdressing's a subject of hilarious ridicule. LOL!

I do have friends. There are many people that I can relate to. What I don't make friends with are people who can't tell their dick from a p*ssy.

Why would you say that, if you clearly don't hold the reverse true?

Women who wear pants don't consider themselves men, necessarily.

So why would a man in a dress necessarily consider himself a woman?

I do have friends. There are many people that I can relate to. What I don't make friends with are people who can't tell their dick from a p*ssy.

Overdoing it, aren't we?

It's just not right for men to dress like women, it shows that they're insecure about their gender or that they're plain gay.

Besides, serious cross dressing is a subject of ridicule as that individual's mind must be FUBAR or something.

I don't know why that when I'm on a thread like this one, I feel funny...

Meh, enough for today. I should return to studying mechanics. LOL!

It's just not right for men to dress like women, it shows that they're insecure about their gender or that they're plain gay.

would you not say that a man who is comfortable enough in himself to go against society and shave his legs is more of a man than those who have so many insecurities they have to stick rigidly to societies lines of "how to be a man"?

I don't know why that when I'm on a thread like this one, I feel funny...

Meh, enough for today. I should return to studying mechanics. LOL!


Yeah, you think funny too.

I don't know why that when I'm on a thread like this one, I feel funny...
seems to me like its you who is insecure

I don't know why that when I'm on a thread like this one, I feel funny...

Maybe it's because you're not so "straight" yourself, toughness.

It's just not right for men to dress like women, it shows that they're insecure about their gender or that they're plain gay.

Besides, serious cross dressing is a subject of ridicule as that individual's mind must be FUBAR or something.


... ... "it's just not right" Wow. Great comeback. They're insecure? If they were so insecure then why would guys in dresses make you uncomfortable and not them? They seem pretty secure as they are.

You seem to be missing my point (or trying to ignore it), Sino: Why is it alright and not a sign of one's mind being "FUBAR" if a girl cross-dresses and not a guy?

Can't answer it can you, Sino? *pat pat* Don't worry. I don't think anywone can.

It's just not right for men to dress like women, it shows that they're insecure about their gender or that they're plain gay.

I'll say again. The finest soldiers in recorded history were gay. When you can argue it as a downside, go right ahead.

Besides serious cross dressing is a subject of ridicule as that individual's mind must be FUBAR or something.

ridicule? who made you the authority on what is to be ridiculed? And how does that make the persons mind FUBAR? that they know who they really are and won't let something as inconsequential as their genitals do otherwise?

Did you enter a men's room and tried to use a urinal as well? I hope you didn't get booted out off the female toilets because of your attire. LOL!

Booted out of the womens' toilets for wearing jeans and a shirt? Er, no. You mustn't get out much, or you'd see that an awful lot of girls dress that way these days.

[QUOTE=Sino]It's just not right for men to dress like women, it shows that they're insecure about their gender or that they're plain gay.

QUOTE]

On the contrary, I would expect a guy who's willing to be seen in drag to be doubly secure about their gender.

I'll say again. The finest soldiers in recorded history were gay. When you can argue it as a downside, go right ahead.



ridicule? who made you the authority on what is to be ridiculed? And how does that make the persons mind FUBAR? that they know who they really are and won't let something as inconsequential as their genitals do otherwise?

Not to mention that a gay man was responsible for many significant developments in computing.


You know...there's two kinds of people who are obsessed with masculinity:

Homophobes, and people attracted to manly men.

You do the math.

I Did for Halloween but I had to take off my high heels because I coundn't walk in 'em.

Solve the crossdressing issue the easy way. Everyone go naked! :D

Solve the crossdressing issue the easy way. Everyone go naked! :D

This man's got a hell of a plan!

I, however, will continue to wear a white t-shirt, faded jeans, a denim jacket, white socks, black reeboks, and round sunglasses. Why?

I'm just that way.

I TV maybe once a month... depending on what events are being run in my gorgeous little city and what outfits I can beg, borrow and steal...

I'm currently working on my drag persona (think faceparties Grim Rita only camper... if you don't know Grim Rita then -
Knee high stilletto boots
Fishnet tights
black miniskirt
corset with smallish fake breasts (bean bags)
loose mesh top
Ankle length leather jacket
Short dark hair
and some FAB make up)

For the record I'm thoroughly gay and very much enjoy my masculinity, I'm in no way transgendered or even remotely interested in being female.
I just love being able to dress up, look fabulous and generally enjoy myself.

if your not interested in it then fine, but why the hell should you stop someone that wants to? Who cares after all, they're just clothes *shrug*

Have you ever done this before? Even for like, halloween?
Of course. I'm female, which means that "cross dressing" is totally acceptable. I wear men's shirts and pants frequently, always have, and nobody gives it a second thought. Sucks to be a man. You guys are such idiots when it comes to rules about clothing and manliness. There are plenty of fellows with splendid legs who could pull off a skirt better than i, and yet you won't let them do it...I guess you are threatened by other guys having great legs and easy access...?

Maybe it's because you're not so "straight" yourself, toughness.

Yeah, I'm straight. When I have nothing better to do, I laugh at things that I do not approve of, such as crossdressing. I need a good laugh once in a while.

Solve the crossdressing issue the easy way. Everyone go naked! :D

Are you promoting gun violence? We're not wild animals.

I don't understand why someone here commented that it is manly to cross dress. Here's are examples of what I believe are the most manly attire:

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms/uniform-ss_officers.gif
(Not that I am a Nazi, but I do admire their uniforms. Apologies to those offended.)

http://www.friedmanarchives.com/China/Page3/thumbnails/Army%20Guy.jpg

However, in order to don such uniforms (not costumes), one must be of that militant organization.

Homophobes, and people attracted to manly men.


I'm only attracted to women. I'm just sick of that metrosexual crap that Western media seems to infect into today's male psyche. Men are men, the only feminine side are the extremely limited traces female hormones in their bodies.

I don't think homophobes the right word to describe people like me, since I loathe them, not fear them.

I'm only attracted to women. I'm just sick of that metrosexual crap that Western media seems to infect into today's male psyche. Men are men, the only feminine side are the extremely limited traces female hormones in their bodies.

I don't think homophobes the right word to describe people like me, since I loathe them, not fear them.
ho·mo·pho·bi·a Audio pronunciation of "homophobe" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hm-fb-)
n.

1. Fear of, hatred of, or contempt for lesbians and gay men.



You learn something new every day!

On the contrary, I would expect a guy who's willing to be seen in drag to be doubly secure about their gender.

That makes no goddamn sense. How's going in drag going to make a man more manly? Other men and women will simply laugh at him, as they are suppose to provide that sort of entertainment.

We all have 'rolemodel images', I would rather look up to the image of man clad in suits or the uniforms of an armed organization than the image of a man who has mistakened his penis for a vagina.

Something about Sino just makes me wanna burst with laughter. I can't quite put my finger on it...

I don't understand why someone here commented that it is manly to cross dress. Here's are examples of what I believe are the most manly attire:

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms/uniform-ss_officers.gif
(Not that I am a Nazi, but I do admire their uniforms. Apologies to those offended.)

http://www.friedmanarchives.com/China/Page3/thumbnails/Army%20Guy.jpg

However, in order to don such uniforms (not costumes), one must be of that militant organization.

Nazi uniforms are the most homo-erotic clothing ever invented. Your obsession with them explains quite a bit.

That makes no goddamn sense. How's going in drag going to make a man more manly? Other men and women will simply laugh at him, as they are suppose to provide that sort of entertainment.

It makes a world of sense, becasue said man is secure enough to not give a shit about the clothes he's wearing.

That makes no goddamn sense. How's going in drag going to make a man more manly? Other men and women will simply laugh at him, as they are suppose to provide that sort of entertainment.
I don't think manliness is defined by what clothes somebody likes. If a fellow feels comfortable in "women's" clothing, and is confident enough to wear what he likes as opposed to dressing in a way that other men respect, why does that make him less manly? I mean, seriously, most straight guys I know pick out their clothes based on what OTHER MEN WILL THINK OF THEM. How is that less gay?

How the hell is the Nazi uniform homo-erotic? When I see them being worn in historical footages or war movies, I can actually feel the character's pride, power and devotion to his cause.

If you accuse Nazi uniforms as gay, then you might as well call all military/police uniforms gay. The Nazi uniform is still the most powerful uniform ever, the current Chinese military's service uniforms trail closely behind (having borrowed a few aspects of style off the Nazis).

Gartref, why don't you unplug that beige box called a computer and go treat yourself to a big bowl of brown? Whenever you post, it's always full of sh*t!

How the hell is the Nazi uniform homo-erotic? When I see them being worn in historical footages or war movies, I can actually feel the character's pride, power and devotion to his cause.


Did you have an erection when you posted this?

I don't think manliness is defined by what clothes somebody likes. If a fellow feels comfortable in "women's" clothing, and is confident enough to wear what he likes as opposed to dressing in a way that other men respect, why does that make him less manly? I mean, seriously, most straight guys I know pick out their clothes based on what OTHER MEN WILL THINK OF THEM. How is that less gay?

Of course they have to choose clothes based on what other men will think of them because they have an image to present to society and their superiors. You don't expect to turn up to a corporate job interview in anything but a suit.

Besides that, men and women also dress accordingly to others of their gender in order to appear to be fashionable and "hip".

Did you have an erection when you posted this?

No. Did you? Do you actually have any evidence that cites that they are homo-erotic?

Q: Under the Nazis, why were the gays sent to the camps long before the Jews?

A: At least Jews don't dress as the opposite sex and take each other up the ass.

Something about Sino just makes me wanna burst with laughter. I can't quite put my finger on it...

What so funny about me and my ardent conservative views? I'm what they call a 'Chinazi' (Chinese man with extreme views), is that really so funny? Of course, I do laugh at the liberals and commies.

Booted out of the womens' toilets for wearing jeans and a shirt? Er, no. You mustn't get out much, or you'd see that an awful lot of girls dress that way these days.

I was only making a joke. Of course there are a lot of girls that dress in that manner, but their jeans and shirts are evidently female.

Sino makes babies cry. :eek:

Sino makes babies cry. :eek:

Do I? I don't like kids, but I certainly don't make 'em burst into tears. Hey kid, did I make you cry?

I was only making a joke. Of course there are a lot of girls that dress in that manner, but their jeans and shirts are evidently female.
I buy most of my shirts in the Men's section. Probably about 50% of my pants are from the Men's section. Does that count as "cross-dressing"? I think I am still obviously female when I wear these clothes (my boobs are sort of hard to miss), and I don't make any attempt to look like a man when I wear them, but I am certainly wearing men's clothing. If a man wore a skirt but did not try to pass as female, would that count as "cross-dressing"? Or is it only if men try to appear female?

I don't understand why someone here commented that it is manly to cross dress. Here's are examples of what I believe are the most manly attire:

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms/uniform-ss_officers.gif
(Not that I am a Nazi, but I do admire their uniforms. Apologies to those offended.)

http://www.friedmanarchives.com/China/Page3/thumbnails/Army%20Guy.jpg

However, in order to don such uniforms (not costumes), one must be of that militant organization.

Lol! Until I read that post I wasn't sure whether you were taking the piss or not. Now I know.

That makes no goddamn sense. How's going in drag going to make a man more manly? Other men and women will simply laugh at him, as they are suppose to provide that sort of entertainment.

I didn't actually say it made them 'more manly', I said they would be more sure of themselves.

A guy who has hang ups about his sexuality, or whether other people see him as 'manly enough' probably wouldn't be game to dress up as a woman for a joke or for fun. A guy who knows he's straight and doesn't care what anyone else thinks wouldn't have a problem with it.

Lol! Until I read that post I wasn't sure whether you were taking the piss or not. Now I know.

That's why I find him so entertaining. He tries to push himself as an ultra-conservative with clear views, but he comes across as a total joke.

Does anybody else find it amusing that Sino is completely obsessed with tall blond men wearing lots of leather?

I was only making a joke. Of course there are a lot of girls that dress in that manner, but their jeans and shirts are evidently female.

Technically, clothes can't be 'female', just feminine.

Like Bottle, I buy a lot of my clothes from the mens' section. Many girls do. You shouldn't need to look at their clothes to tell what sex they are anyway. I would think the tits are a bit of a giveaway. :rolleyes:

Does anybody else find it amusing that Sino is completely obsessed with tall blond men wearing lots of leather?

Yes, among other things :p.

I buy most of my shirts in the Men's section. Probably about 50% of my pants are from the Men's section. Does that count as "cross-dressing"? I think I am still obviously female when I wear these clothes (my boobs are sort of hard to miss), and I don't make any attempt to look like a man when I wear them, but I am certainly wearing men's clothing. If a man wore a skirt but did not try to pass as female, would that count as "cross-dressing"? Or is it only if men try to appear female?

'Tis a fact that it's alright for women to appear in various items of male clothing but certainly that's not the case for man wearing a skirt casually.

'Tis a fact that it's alright for women to appear in various items of male clothing but certainly that's not the case for man wearing a skirt casually.

Give me a reasonable answer for this way of thinking, besides the obligatory "penis confused with vagina" remark you seem to adore so much.

Does anybody else find it amusing that Sino is completely obsessed with tall blond men wearing lots of leather?

When did I say that? I've only said that the Nazi style of uniform is the best style around in terms of portraying power. Of course they would look good on any man regardless of race.

Why can't I comment on menswear? I myself am a man. And what is this claim that Nazis wear lots of leather? A few leather trenchcoats were issued for winter campaigns but I don't think they would clad in full leather. Gartref, when will you stop your f*ckin' fag fantasies?

I'm by no means obsessed with any people. I have more academic concerns to deal with. Speaking of blondes, who wouldn't be attracted to hot blonde girls?

I'm by no means obsessed with any people.

Seems to me you are. Fuck, you post pics of nazis in just about every thread you participate in...

O.K., I admit that I admire the whole efficiency and power associated with Nazism, but I am by no means adherent of the Nazi ideology. I also support Israel. Speaking of Nazis, there was this awesome BBC documentary related to one of their most vicious deeds.

I was fascinated by the historical details and interviews with former SS men that have taken part in massacres:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/genocide/index.shtml

It completely blew Schindler's List away in terms of details and acting. It examined how gassing (at first with CO) was first trialed on the elimination of Germany's mentally and physically handicapped peoples, then the whole concept became useful in the camps and by accident, the adjutant of Auschwitz discovered the effects of Zyklon B (an industrial insecticide) by accident. A full endorsement came when the SS was so damn tired of the bloodshed of shooting.

O.K., I admit that I admire the whole efficiency and power associated with Nazism, but I am by no means adherent of the Nazi ideology. I also support Israel.

That's more like it. At least you're not dodging the issue.

...I'm by no means obsessed with any people. I have more academic concerns to deal with. Speaking of blondes, who wouldn't be attracted to hot blonde girls?


But here's the thing.... Your hard drive is filled up with images of Aryan ubermen in their sexy uniforms - yet you don't have any pictures of these "hot blonde girls" you hypothetically speak of. This leaves you all flustered and confused. In order to rationalize your homo-erotic nazi fetish you are forced to be loudly critical of anything even remotely gay. You protest so loudly in fact, that it seems you're trying harder to convince yourself. This is why you couldn't understand FEZ's point about dressing in drag. A real man wouldn't be concerned if he looked less than manly - because he is already secure in his sexuality. This is a tough concept for you because you are obviously very confused about your own sexual identity.

*hands Gartref a cookie*

What harddrive? A majority of my hard drive's media are of the PLA's artillery pieces and tank units, not Germans (I spend relatively less time looking at non-Chinese weapons). I never said that nazi uniforms are 'sexy' (I fail to understand that term). I have always believed that military uniforms are always better than civilian clothing, at least in terms of durability and most certainly, pride. Whever I see someone in uniform (police or military) or has been to war, I usually show more respect to that person.

I can assure you that there is nothing erotic about uniforms. It was Gartref's gay idea to render Nazi uniforms in what he calls 'homo-erotic' just like how gay revisionist historians make baseless claims that Hitler was gay. When was incest with a female considered homosexual behavior?

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type98_7lg.jpg

I spend comparatively less time with uniforms when it comes to browsing military information on the net. I usually care more about weapons, especially armor and small arms. In fact, if it wasn't for playing Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, I would have been less interested in the whole Nazi image.

Well, as for porn, that's clearly not what the internet is for. Gartref, I don't give a flying f*ck about what you look up, but please stop your baseless accusations. Does everything you look at have to be of an erotic nature to you? There's almost nothing erotic in existence.

*hands Gartref a cookie*

I hope that cookie's sprinkled with cyanide...

I hope that cookie's sprinkled with cyanide...

Nah. It's got plenty of those rainbow-colored candy sprinkles, though. They make the cookie taste that much better.

If I'm not looking at engineering information or weapons, I find history related information, the BBC's a good place to start.

Nah. It's got plenty of those rainbow-colored candy sprinkles, though. They make the cookie taste that much better.

Sprinkles are a waste, cookies need to be large and nutritious. Put in the damn chocolates to boost energy.

Sprinkles are a waste, cookies need to be large and nutritious. Put in the damn chocolates to boost energy.

Oh, so Dutch Chocolate with extra chocolate chips isn't good enough for you, even with the sprinkles?

*shuns*

Oh, so Dutch Chocolate with extra chocolate chips isn't good enough for you, even with the sprinkles?

*shuns*

I'm a man who doesn't give a damn over taste. I believe that ascetism is a virtue. What's so special about chocolate made in Holland? Does it have weed in it or something?

Oh, so Dutch Chocolate with extra chocolate chips isn't good enough for you, even with the sprinkles?

*shuns*

He's not really against sprinkles. Just "rainbow" sprinkles. He's afraid of what some people might think.

He's not really against sprinkles. Just "rainbow" sprinkles. He's afraid of what some people might think.

I don't give a crap about what people put on their food as long as the law has no objections over the substance. Sprikles are the product of food coloring, there's nothing special about them. Because children like things colorful, that's why rainbow sprinkles were used. I personally would not choose a cookie with sprinkles as they hide the true value of nutrition. I also dislike artificial coloring.

Why are we talking about some White man's food? I ate a pack of 'em the other day and they're nothing special.

I'm a man who doesn't give a damn over taste. I believe that ascetism is a virtue. What's so special about chocolate made in Holland? Does it have weed in it or something?

I seriously hope you actually know what Dutch Cocoa is...

If it's some goddamn drug, I don't want to know.

The nazis loved Dutch Cocoa. They used it to make German Chocolate cake.

The nazis loved Dutch Cocoa. They used it to make German Chocolate cake.

Since I ain't familiar with the subject, is this some kind of joke?

Since I ain't familiar with the subject, is this some kind of joke?

Not in the least. Dutch Cocoa is cocoa processed with Alkali. The alkali neutralizes the acidity of the cocoa, making it darker, richer, and "deeper".

The nazis loved Dutch Cocoa. They used it to make German Chocolate cake.

Since I ain't familiar with the subject, is this some kind of joke? So far, nothing for out off your chamberpot mouth has been serious.

...Gartref, why don't you unplug that beige box called a computer and go treat yourself to a big bowl of brown?

... So far, nothing for out off your chamberpot mouth has been serious.


Your nazi fetish seems to be coupled with a feces fetish. Are the two related somehow? Well... it's probably not your fault. I would guess it's some family thing. Did your ancestors lack buttholes? Is that why you're obsessed with crapping out of your mouth?

Regardless, talking about this stuff is considered quite objectionable in western culture. Please refrain from this kind of talk. Do not dishonor yourself further.

Sino... to explain a little, the homo-erotisization of uniform comes from the fact that it extemporises the image of 'male' as dominant, powerfull and threatningly violent. This kind of an image is of course stived for within military uniforms in order to convey authority, however it has scince become a fetish amongst both straight and gay men (female/male strippers in uniform are always gonna be a hit). Your focus upon the very factors which make such uniforms attractive to certain people, coupled with your vehement rejection and apparent hatred of anything you view as 'gay' could be sympomatic of a repressed homosexual tendancy. And yes there is pleanty of research to back up that tendancy. Similarly weapons, guns etc are well documented as being phallic symbols (in a pseudo-jungian kind of way).

I would suggest that you perhaps have feelings of your own inadequacy, coupled with a repressed homosexual tendancy which you have yet to resolve through exploration of your own heterosexuality or indeed sexuality in general. You may have issues resolving you physical inadequacy and are perhaps an avid gym enthusiast to cover this. However the over-riding aspect of your personality is a refusal to *ever* admit defeat or weakness in public, the idea of being found crying by a friend, for whatever reason, is abhorant to you. Finally your aggression and psychologically introspective yet refusal to accept or resolve those introspections, have probably lead your personal and close relationships to be contended, maybe even mildly abusive in some fashion, you do not accept responsibility for their breakdown.

Of course it is not my professional position to place a value judgement on your personal character.

Personally however I feel that your hatred and intolerance are reprehensible and your denial of the glorious and thoroughly sensual variations and vitality that make up existance is symptomatic of a number of problems both socially and that are inherant in your psyche at this time.
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To get back on topic 'military' uniforms etc are just as much 'drag'/crossdressing as a skirt or whatever, although perhaps for different reasons.

I have crossdressed before for a school project. I was Langston Hughes for the middle school Roaring 20's celebration. It was fun. The scariest part was that all my best friends recognized me-even as a different race and gender. I've said it before and I'll say it again-I have a gift for finding true friends.

I have done it and I found it quite sexy

I've yet to outrightly crossdress, as in pretending to be male, but most of my pants are man-pants. I can't help it if I have a sordid love affair with combats... the pockets! The magnificent pockets!

Yes, I have.

Cross-dressing is not "dressing like a fag" it is dressing like someone of the opposite gender. Gay men do not generally cross-dress, straight men do. This is because gay men do not sexualize women's clothes. Straight men do.

Dressing like a fag pretty much means dressing like a Gap advert, or an American Eagle advert, or a J. Crew advert, or...

GAP!? PLEASE!!

no one with an ounce of fashion sense wears GAP, certainly not gay men!

oh and theres tons of queers that cross dress, generally because we've already broken one of the major social stigma's out there, after 'comming out' pretty much everything else is normal.

Although there is a fairly specific 'type' that will tend to cross dress, namely scene queens. But in all honesty straight men do, do it more often, gay men just don't make such a big deal out of it!

He's not really against sprinkles. Just "rainbow" sprinkles. He's afraid of what some people might think.

ROFL!

BTW, does anyone else find it amusing that 'his' forum title is 'Spamqueen Advisor'?

Sprinkles are a waste, cookies need to be large and nutritious. Put in the damn chocolates to boost energy.

Since when do cookies need to be nutritious? They're just supposed to taste good.

Well, once; just a crossdressing evening in the local pub, but it was lots of fun. I somehow ended up drunk enough to dance on a table in front of everybody. But still, it was a fun evening. We went with a bunch of friends, and had lots of different styles, one friend of mine was a gothbabe, complete with black lipstick and everything, another was a soccer mom, don't remember the rest. Myself, I ended up buying some woman's clothes in a used goods store at the last minute, and (unintentionally) ended up looking like some 70-year old woman at the local tearoom. All in all, lots of fun. Why did I do it? I don't know. I guess it was just another wacky thing to do with friends, although I do like dressing up in general; I even participated in a LARP (Live Action Role-Playing, like an RPG, but you are the character you play - think improv theatre) for a while.

And just for the record, Sino, before I wind up being 'a fag' as well, who 'confuses a d!ck with a vagina', I am 100% straight. Not so sure about you though. :cool:

Crossdressers either offend me, or simply cause me to laugh at them in a vicious and offensive manner. I pay no respect to those who are unsure of their gender.

Crossdressing doesn't equal gender identity confusion, gender identity disorder, or even feelings of gender dysphoria. In fact, crossdressing isn't really caused by gender confusion(there are some exceptions, such as arguably the experience of Emi Koyama in post-secondary school-see I Hated Being a Girl, or How I Became A Transfeminist(I think-I've not got it at hand to check.)). Crossdressers don't experience gender confusion-they have an alternate, female persona, and that's who they become when they crossdress. In contrast, transsexuals(speaking from my transfeminist, transsexual viewpoint)-well, we aren't really crossdressing. We're just wearing what feels natural to us, what fits us. Our gender identity may be different from the exterior, but to us, it fits-to wear clothing that matches who we are.

It's 17 years old now, but Transvestites And Transsexuals: Toward A Theory of Cross-Gender Behavior, by Richard F. Docter provides a good overview of the differences between transsexuality and crossdressing in almost all aspects.

I don't think any transsexual claims they can give birth.
I don't. I wish I could, but that's irrelevant. I'm assuming you mean male-to-female transsexuals-in the case of female-to-male transsexuals, they can.

Offended by cross-dressers? That's silly.

I will be a permanent one for a while, starting about september, then after a year or so I won't be. (guess why. No points for managing it.) At the moment, however, I don't. Although this is purely because there is NEVER a time when I am alone to do so.

Yay for Harry Benjamin's SoC...it's nice, but at times, you just want to yell at therapists and other professionals alike...Good luck.

I'll be doing the same myself, in about a year and a half(I need to finish high school first. Transitioning in work is a lot easier than in high school...).

I'm crossdressing right now, as I type this. Just a nice light, long blue skirt-the sort of thing I've always longed to wear.

It's just not right for men to dress like women, it shows that they're insecure about their gender or that they're plain gay.

Actually, you're wrong. It says that they're either a crossdresser, transsexual, or transgendered, amongst other things. You don't need to be transsexual or gay to crossdress-there are straight men, who do it too. There are straight women, too(I *might* be wrong on this-I've not my CD references at hand to check)-the social pressures and gender roles just make the circumstances different(straight men will do it often in private, while straight women can do it openly.).

Besides, serious cross dressing is a subject of ridicule as that individual's mind must be FUBAR or something.

Interesting fact. Transsexuality is looking to have a possible genetic/biological base-our minds aren't screwed up. For one thing, it's amazing that gender identity disorder is the only mental disorder that's actually self-diagnosed-the testable criteria are all self-diagnosis, and there's one criteria that can't be fulfilled(biological intersexuality).

I'm only attracted to women. I'm just sick of that metrosexual crap that Western media seems to infect into today's male psyche. Men are men, the only feminine side are the extremely limited traces female hormones in their bodies.

Question for you, then.

Do women have a masculine side, or is the only masculine thing in women limited amounts of male hormones?

Q: Under the Nazis, why were the gays sent to the camps long before the Jews?

A: At least Jews don't dress as the opposite sex and take each other up the ass.

Pfft, of course they do. Who told you they didn't?

Mmmm... I even found a picture of my crossdressing on my pc :p
Here's me with some friends - I'm the guy/woman charming your pants off on the far right HERE (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/True_Believer/imm015.jpg)
And yes, that is a blue dress, not a jeans :rolleyes:

It rubs the lotion on its skin, it does this whenever it's told...

GAP!? PLEASE!!

no one with an ounce of fashion sense wears GAP, certainly not gay men!

oh and theres tons of queers that cross dress, generally because we've already broken one of the major social stigma's out there, after 'comming out' pretty much everything else is normal.

Although there is a fairly specific 'type' that will tend to cross dress, namely scene queens. But in all honesty straight men do, do it more often, gay men just don't make such a big deal out of it!

I remind you that there are a great many gay men who are not scene queens, and there are gay men of all ages...they do not disappear in a puff of pink smoke when they turn 36. And regretfully, a great many of them do in fact wear GAP. The point is, they dress exactly the same way as straight men do, largely because the fashion industry is controlled by gay people. We just know how to put outfits together better. =)

Cross-dressing appears in the gay community in exactly the same statistical ratio as it appears in the straight community. That is to say, if 10% of the population is gay, then 10% of the cross-dressers will be gay.

Cross-dressing appears in the gay community in exactly the same statistical ratio as it appears in the straight community. That is to say, if 10% of the population is gay, then 10% of the cross-dressers will be gay.

No surprise, as crossdressing is a completely separate thing from being gay. As I said, it's just the tolerance of it that is higher in the gay community-and of course, it's probably very tolerated by the trans community(I'm not sure, as I haven't actually found my local trans community yet.).

Sorry to butt in, but what is GAP?

I propose that cross dressing be made mandatory in all nation states to teach people how the "other half" lives.

Yes, I used to cross dress for Gay Pride in New York in the 90s.

Sorry to butt in, but what is GAP?
Gap is a (mainly) North American street fashion store/brand/style.

I propose that cross dressing be made mandatory in all nation states to teach people how the "other half" lives.

Sorry, but this really isn't a good reason. Sure, it would force us all to experience different clothing, but it really won't give us the concept of being the other half-there are so many other parts to being masculine or feminine that aren't covered by that. Social pressures, stereotyping, social relations, physical changes(such as the annoying tendency of the penis to decide to rise at the most inappropriate time, or the differences in mentalities created by hormone levels).

Mmmm... I even found a picture of my crossdressing on my pc :p
Here's me with some friends - I'm the guy/woman charming your pants off on the far right HERE (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/True_Believer/imm015.jpg)
And yes, that is a blue dress, not a jeans :rolleyes:

you all look great

I would post an example of moi in drag, but the nasty people at RealBrighton.com take some horrendous photo's and its really not flattering, ok I was hammered at the time so that didn't help either and my make up was smuged to shit from clubbing for 3 hours before they found me... its unpleasent

oooh CAN'T *wait* for brighton pride this year :D its gonna be SOOOOOO COOOL!

I've been a striptease once, so yes

Never "cross dressed" before, but once wore my wife's underwear to work as I had nothing clean.

...

Oh I am sorry, I thought this was an RPG thread. ;)

Never "cross dressed" before, but once wore my wife's underwear to work as I had nothing clean.

Bwahahaha... How was it? :p

Bwahahaha... How was it? :p


Fine- they were pink cotton jockey's- no big deal. A little snug. My secretary didnt believe me, so I showed her. Good for a laugh.

Your nazi fetish seems to be coupled with a feces fetish. Are the two related somehow? Well... it's probably not your fault. I would guess it's some family thing. Did your ancestors lack buttholes? Is that why you're obsessed with crapping out of your mouth?

Regardless, talking about this stuff is considered quite objectionable in western culture. Please refrain from this kind of talk. Do not dishonor yourself further.

Firstly, I do not have a any fetishes what so ever. Do you not have anythign better to do than continuous slander? I simply pointed out the fact that Nazi uniforms are still superior in terms of portraying power.

Since when do cookies need to be nutritious? They're just supposed to taste good.

The greatest purpose of food was to fill up the stomach, but as time progressed, taste became an issue, followed by nutrition.

Firstly, I do not have a any fetishes what so ever. Do you not have anythign better to do than continuous slander? I simply pointed out the fact that Nazi uniforms are still superior in terms of portraying power.

yes sweetie, and *we* believe you... 6 millions wouldn't I'm sure, but its ok, we'll be sycophantic if your ego is that dependant upon it.

I've worn my gf's skirt once. On the plus side she wasn't wearing a skirt anymore. ;)

many times

started in about 1st grade

I now go for the androgenous look when i go out - its pretty :fluffle:

Sino... to explain a little, the homo-erotisization of uniform comes from the fact that it extemporises the image of 'male' as dominant, powerfull and threatningly violent. This kind of an image is of course stived for within military uniforms in order to convey authority, however it has scince become a fetish amongst both straight and gay men (female/male strippers in uniform are always gonna be a hit). Your focus upon the very factors which make such uniforms attractive to certain people, coupled with your vehement rejection and apparent hatred of anything you view as 'gay' could be sympomatic of a repressed homosexual tendancy. And yes there is pleanty of research to back up that tendancy. Similarly weapons, guns etc are well documented as being phallic symbols (in a pseudo-jungian kind of way).

I would suggest that you perhaps have feelings of your own inadequacy, coupled with a repressed homosexual tendancy which you have yet to resolve through exploration of your own heterosexuality or indeed sexuality in general. You may have issues resolving you physical inadequacy and are perhaps an avid gym enthusiast to cover this. However the over-riding aspect of your personality is a refusal to *ever* admit defeat or weakness in public, the idea of being found crying by a friend, for whatever reason, is abhorant to you. Finally your aggression and psychologically introspective yet refusal to accept or resolve those introspections, have probably lead your personal and close relationships to be contended, maybe even mildly abusive in some fashion, you do not accept responsibility for their breakdown.

Of course it is not my professional position to place a value judgement on your personal character.

Personally however I feel that your hatred and intolerance are reprehensible and your denial of the glorious and thoroughly sensual variations and vitality that make up existance is symptomatic of a number of problems both socially and that are inherant in your psyche at this time.
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To get back on topic 'military' uniforms etc are just as much 'drag'/crossdressing as a skirt or whatever, although perhaps for different reasons.

I keep telling you that there is nothing sexual or erotic about uniforms or any other form of official clothing. I don't view weaponry as phallic, in fact I don't associate anything as phallic. I don't know why the Western psyche regards these things differently. If I see a stripper, I would be offended by the nudity. If the performance began with a set of uniforms, than I'd find it offensive to what that set of uniforms stand for. I take uniforms seriously as they are not costumes. I will never be desperate or crazy enough to see a female stripper, let alone a male one. I was never attracted to a male in any way and I never will. The primary reason being that they are of the same gender as me. I am a bona fide heterosexual. Also contrary to your suspicions, I don't go to the gym. I'm skinny as a runt but my fitness is adequate.

I'm not like the average young person who prefers cars. I prefer tanks and aircraft, so what? I certainly doubt that I have any deficiencies to qualify for a specific liking for weaponry. Have you ever been to the RP forums on NS? I'm not the only one who likes weapons. In fact, in order to continue winning RPs, I must have a good understanding of weapons and military tactics. If you're calling me a fag for liking weaponry then you're calling a lot of people who RP on NS fags!

The uniform is not to be abused. It is not a costume. By meaning that is another form of "crossdressing", you're offending every uniformed personnel on the planet. There are times when the uniform comes off and the civvies are donned. And there are other times when the uniform is an absolute necessity.

The only inadequacies I have is the fear of rejection when speaking to any attractive female. Period.

I have crossdressed more times than I can count. Might have something to do with being a goth :p

I have even had people who know me, hit on me at a club (he obviously didn't recognize me)

Why do I do it? I am not even sure myself, apart from that I get a kick out of it (and guys by me drinks :p)

[EDIT: btw, I'm heterosexual]

yes sweetie, and *we* believe you... 6 millions wouldn't I'm sure, but its ok, we'll be sycophantic if your ego is that dependant upon it.

I've only spoken favorably of the uniform but not that ideology. Please don't call me by terms of indearment, it makes me want to kill you. And yes, I am offended by Nazi symbols just like anyone else who's against their extremism.

I keep telling you that there is nothing sexual or erotic about uniforms or any other form of official clothing.

thats completely subjective. I find military uniforms to be extreemely sexy. Especially those old Nazi ones even though I cant stand Nazis.

Never "cross dressed" before, but once wore my wife's underwear to work as I had nothing clean.

LOL!

I have crossdressed more times than I can count. Might have something to do with being a goth :p

I have even had people who know me, hit on me at a club (he obviously didn't recognize me)

Why do I do it? I am not even sure myself, apart from that I get a kick out of it (and guys by me drinks :p)

[EDIT: btw, I'm heterosexual]


I like you more and more now. Have a point on me.
(you also make me melancholy, but that's another story.)

thats completely subjective. I find military uniforms to be extreemely sexy. Especially those old Nazi ones even though I cant stand Nazis.

What's wrong with you people? Do you have urges to bugger a soldier or something? I hope that when you try, he unholsters his sidearm make you count the number of holes on your chest.

However, it has been known for centuries that males in uniform can attract females. In fact, that's still one effective way for recruitment drives.

The greatest purpose of food was to fill up the stomach, but as time progressed, taste became an issue, followed by nutrition.

Hwhaaaa?

I could fill my stomach up with rocks, but if I did that, I would die. If all of the original humans ate whatever could fill their stomach, they would probably have eaten rocks and dirt, since that can fill your stomach.

Unless we've somehow dispensed with our lithovore genes over time, I think nutrition was at the top of the list.

Hwhaaaa?

I could fill my stomach up with rocks, but if I did that, I would die. If all of the original humans ate whatever could fill their stomach, they would probably have eaten rocks and dirt, since that can fill your stomach.

Unless we've somehow dispensed with our lithovore genes over time, I think nutrition was at the top of the list.

That raises an interesting issue. There is a theory that when our ancestors started eating meat, it lead to a growth of brain power.

What's wrong with you people? Do you have urges to bugger a soldier or something? I hope that when you try, he unholsters his sidearm make you count the number of holes on your chest.

However, it has been known for centuries that males in uniform can attract females. In fact, that's still one effective way for recruitment drives.

Have you considered that half the people posting here are female? What's the deal with equating the sexualization of uniforms with desire for buggery? Seems like an odd gay fixation you have. Further to this, the more powerful (in the eye of each particular person) the uniform, the more sexually potent the image. You may argue that the Nazi uniform is the most powerful, but that is only true for you personally. To many others it represents a national inferiority complex (xenophobia = weakness).

did once for a fundraiser theatre party, it wasnt mandatory, but it was expected, an unwritten rule. I got told thrice by different people they thought I was a female until they saw the goatee, then they realized the truth. Did another time for the RHPS, if you dont know what that is, you're either lucky or you havent been paying attention. The scary thing about it was getting in a comparative discussion about heeled shoes and correct technique.

Have you considered that half the people posting here are female? What's the deal with equating the sexualization of uniforms with desire for buggery? Seems like an odd gay fixation you have. Further to this, the more powerful (in the eye of each particular person) the uniform, the more sexually potent the image. You may argue that the Nazi uniform is the most powerful, but that is only true for you personally. To many others it represents a national inferiority complex (xenophobia = weakness).

I apoligize for mistaking you for a male. I am still coming to terms with that after spending years on the RP forums as those place are frequently by male posters.

National inferiority complex? If the all the Nazi symbolism is gone, it would still be a very powerful attire.

Have you considered that half the people posting here are female? What's the deal with equating the sexualization of uniforms with desire for buggery? Seems like an odd gay fixation you have. Further to this, the more powerful (in the eye of each particular person) the uniform, the more sexually potent the image. You may argue that the Nazi uniform is the most powerful, but that is only true for you personally. To many others it represents a national inferiority complex (xenophobia = weakness).


"when weak feign strength, when strong feign weakness"

- Sun Tzu

Even the strong needs to present the strength. Take a look at the USA.

If the all the Nazi symbolism is gone, it would still be a very powerful attire.

This is sort of unclear to me. How is a particular suit "powerful"? It's just a set of clothes. Any association with "power" is entirely in your head, in anyone's head. Clothes have no agency, no volitional will...they cannot be powerful. Is it possible that because you have a military fixation and you personally equate a uniform with power, you mistakenly believe that (a) the power is somehow invested in the uniform itself, and that (b) everyone else has the same fixation with the military?

Even the strong needs to present the strength. Take a look at the USA.
Yeah, everyone hates us because we flaunt our strength.

When people are as homophobic as you, Sino, they're usually trying to compensate for something.

The strong know they're strong, and don't need to flaunt it. The weak aren't, so they pretend they're strong.

Yeah, everyone hates us because we flaunt our strength.

When people are as homophobic as you, Sino, they're usually trying to compensate for something.

Look at it this way, China doesn't have any strength compared to the U.S.

No, I'm not homophobic. There is nothing I need to compensate other than a more aggressive strive for perfection. Which is common amongst every member of the human race.

This is sort of unclear to me. How is a particular suit "powerful"? It's just a set of clothes. Any association with "power" is entirely in your head, in anyone's head. Clothes have no agency, no volitional will...they cannot be powerful. Is it possible that because you have a military fixation and you personally equate a uniform with power, you mistakenly believe that (a) the power is somehow invested in the uniform itself, and that (b) everyone else has the same fixation with the military?

I suppose that's what you call style. Comparing the uniforms between the Nazis and the Soviet, the Nazis have a better style, but that's my anti-communist opinion.

There are cases where certain clothes or other articals can portray power, and I'm not referring color psychology. For example if you're in a set of BDUs, armed with a rifle, how would you feel?

i wear my boyfriend's clothes all the time... i guess i would consider that cross-dressing, even though i'm not trying to pass for a boy.

i have done it to pass for a boy for halloween and a couple of other times for fun.

I don't think that it counts for cross dressing if a woman just wears men's clothes. I don't really think there is such a thing as men's clothes these days. Just women's clothes and unisex. Same with names. Now if you wear a mustache or a soul patch or something. Then you're dressing like a gay man.

This is sort of unclear to me. How is a particular suit "powerful"? It's just a set of clothes. Any association with "power" is entirely in your head, in anyone's head. Clothes have no agency, no volitional will...they cannot be powerful. Is it possible that because you have a military fixation and you personally equate a uniform with power, you mistakenly believe that (a) the power is somehow invested in the uniform itself, and that (b) everyone else has the same fixation with the military?

Well, to some extent, clothes are invested with meaning by their social context. Today a form fitted suit with insignias and medals and such means discipline and strength, because living a military lifestyle forces you to learn those things. In imperial China the same would be said of an outfit that we would now think of as a pretty silk bathrobe that indicates that you like to sit around the house in slippers sipping shiraz.

If China had kept pushing south during the voyages of Ma Zheng (sp) in the 1400's then we would probably think that outfits made of brocade silk were "powerful" because they're the outfit of the upper class. Instead English fashions took over. So now men have to wear what amounts to a useless scarf if they want to be taken seriously because once upon a time having a fancy piece of fabric to tie the neck of your shirt closed indicated that you had money. Now it just indicates that you have the patience and subservience to put yourself in a noose every morning.

In much of the middle east, mustaches mean virility to the point that parts of India have started requiring policemen to wear mustaches lest they be thought too girly to be taken seriously. Here they just mean that you're either a foreigner or and old fashioned gay man that caters to a particular fetish community. Of course, it's pretty universal that facial hair that shows some evidence of being maintained symbolicly indicates that a man is both cultured, and so much of a virile stud that culture cannot contain his sheer manliness (here that sort of thing is expressed by two days growth rather than a particular kind of facial hair).

Hwhaaaa?

I could fill my stomach up with rocks, but if I did that, I would die. If all of the original humans ate whatever could fill their stomach, they would probably have eaten rocks and dirt, since that can fill your stomach.

Unless we've somehow dispensed with our lithovore genes over time, I think nutrition was at the top of the list.

It wasn't sequential. The 3 evolved together. People ate what tasted good and what was available. Those who enjoyed the taste of things that were nutritious and plentiful had more kids. It could have gone differently. If we enjoyed the taste of horribly bitter things, and had some resistance to cyanide, we'd probably be big wild almond eaters. There would be great advantages to such a diet for primative people. Abundant source of protien with very little competition for food. As long as you're immune to the poison. It works for monarch butterflies.

People only started eating two of the edible grasses available in the Fertile Crescent, and it turns out that they were the two most nutritious. Obviously they didn't know that wheat and rye (I'm pretty sure that was the other one) were the healthiest available. In all likelihood, they thought that those grains tasted the best, and because they ate them more they planted the grain that they liked the most (the grain with the most vitamins, protien, and oils) it ended up demonstrating the qualities that people liked the most, becoming more nutritious, oilier, and protienier.

Of course, today we have foods that taste good and are horribly unhealthy, but hardly any of them occur in nature. Have you ever tasted unsweetned chocolate?

For example if you're in a set of BDUs, armed with a rifle, how would you feel?

I have no idea what a BDU is. As for being armed with a rifle, I would probably feel like I would be safe going into the mountains in bear season. Aside from that, I would feel like a fool carting it around. It would make me look like a paranoid or someone who is always afraid that someone is gonna get me so that I need to hide behind a gun. Maybe that is just a function of my living in a country where we aren't afraid of our neighbours. I suppose I am lucky that way.

I have no idea what a BDU is. As for being armed with a rifle, I would probably feel like I would be safe going into the mountains in bear season. Aside from that, I would feel like a fool carting it around. It would make me look like a paranoid or someone who is always afraid that someone is gonna get me so that I need to hide behind a gun. Maybe that is just a function of my living in a country where we aren't afraid of our neighbours. I suppose I am lucky that way.

Of course you wouldn't be wearing a BDU (battle dress uniform) and be armed with a rifle unless you're in the military and it's either training or war.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/images/fdf4.jpg

If you're the above man (in his BDUs and rifle), how would you feel?

I have absolutely no idea how I would feel if I were the above-pictured man. I have no clue who he is, where he is, why he is there, or anything at all about him. But I rather suspect, knowing myself as well as I do, that how I felt about myself would not be influenced by what clothes I were wearing, or whether or not I was holding a gun. It would be a reflection of what I believed about myself and my values, my world and my God, and my place in that world as creator of my reality.

I'm sorry but I am at a loss here as to what you are driving at with the picture and the BDU, it seems like you are suggesting that wearing certain clothes makes you feel powerful or something, a sort of teenaged male idea that one wakes up from over the course of time. If that is what you are saying then I would suggest that true strength comes from within one's spirit, and only feigned strength can be gained from a uniform. The Red Guard in China springs to mind, a bunch of boys thinking themselves quite tough when they have a gun and travel in a pack, but in reality they are just punks. That is precisely why males that age are targetted for the job. With age comes maturity, with maturity comes wisdom, and wisdom brings strength.

Think of it this way: the strongest person you will ever meet is a very old woman.

Question: what is 'very old?' 60? 70?

The older people get the less they can remember and the harder they will learn new things. My father is 57 and there are many things that I know better than him. He has experience and in some things I should ask his advise, yet when he is working on a PC for instance, he constantly needs my help, even when I explain something 20 times, he will still ask me how to do it.
I'm guessing a strong person is someone between 40 and 60, having both knowledge and strength as well as the ability to learn new things. We learn new things every day and only he who absorbes the lesson the best is the strongest of mind.

There's something more i'd like to say. Everyone here speaks of a Nazi uniform, even when describing an officer who isnt in the party or with its political forces. Take Ludwig Beck for instance, Chief of Staff of the German army, resigned when Hitler started planning his invasion of Poland (and believe he was executed in 1944 after the assassination attempt on Hitler).
This man doesnt believe in the idea of creating 'lebensraum' of the execution of thousands(millions) of jews, yet he wore a uniform.
All Nazi's wear a German uniform.
But not all German uniforms are worn by a Nazi.
I kinda like the uniform of a higher officer in the German army, men between 40 and 60 (70 in von Rundstedts case) who have fought at the front and now do the thinking(Rommel used to be a Lieutenant in the German army, received the 'pour le Merite' for capturing 9000(!) Italians in three days in 1917)). They are experienced and wise and this is combined with the Prussian tradition where an officer is respected. But I think the German uniform gets the influence from the performance of those who wore it in the war (Like Rommel) and who were seen as brilliant strategists. Guess its in the genes, we all want to be famous warriors!
Not that I'll ever wear a uniform, I cant stand people ordering me around. I even have a special relationship with my current bosses that makes us more then just employee and boss.

As for crossdressing, I know someone who does it every day. I actually know this person very good, we sometimes hang out together. But this puts me between two fires.
Because I'm the type that values personal freedom and the freedom to do what you want, I dont object to his crossdressing. Infact, I dont care what he wears, it doesnt offend me. But when we go in certain cities (It really differs from city to city) people do stare at him, and sometimes laugh at him. You see some people talking to each other and you know they are mocking him.
I like the guy, really do but its hard for me to accept the 'negative' attention. I want to hang out with him, he a nice guy but I dont like the attention at all.
Why cant everyone just swallow their stereotypical thoughts, why are people who look a bit different, laughed at?
I'd love a world we people can just wear what they like (I'd like to go to work in Knights armour one day) Who knows, maybe I'll wear a dress... a long one so you cant see my legs, cuz They are in no way comparable to those of beautiful girls and boys (The legs are actually the only part that isnt like they should be)

well i borrow my fiances clothes when ive run out or cant find anything ad am in a rush but wouldnt say that was cross-dressing. Sum guys who do it thought r very passable and exceptionally hot!!!!! It's not fair, I have a habit of mistaking guys for girls. (im female btw)

Yeah, i cross-dress occassionally. No good Rocky Horror Show is complete without a crossdressing audience. ;)
And i wear skirts in the summer. Real skirts, not only kilts. Totally manly skirts of course, thats how i am. :D

well i borrow my fiances clothes when ive run out or cant find anything ad am in a rush but wouldnt say that was cross-dressing. Sum guys who do it thought r very passable and exceptionally hot!!!!! It's not fair, I have a habit of mistaking guys for girls. (im female btw)
Is it just me, or should one learn to spell at least passably before engaging?

Is it just me, or should one learn to spell at least passably before engaging?

look i'm very tired and i dont have much spare time so i write short hand. Also i can't spell for s*1t. That's what happens when u don't go 2 primary school (age 4 - 10), I'm sorry for being an outcast who was never welcome in any school.

Is it just me, or should one learn to spell at least passably before engaging?

I didn't have the slightest bit of trouble reading that. Plus this is an international message board and not everyone had english as a first language. Zeladonii point was as clear as could be.

Think of it this way: the strongest person you will ever meet is a very old woman.

That depends on the sort of strength. If you're talking about my Taichi champion grandmother, then sure.

Yeah, i cross-dress occassionally. No good Rocky Horror Show is complete without a crossdressing audience. ;)
And i wear skirts in the summer. Real skirts, not only kilts. Totally manly skirts of course, thats how i am. :D

I've never actually saw that show but I don't know what the hell it is about. It seems like some crappy horror-themed show, but I think the crossdressing's disturbing enough. LOL!

Sino, you're so over the top in your attitude and responses to other people that it almost seems like you're trying to make fun of yourself - like you've been playing the devil's advocate all this time, your ulterior motive to criticize the viewpoint you've been putting across. Pretty funny, actually.

Never have cross-dressed myself, and can't really see myself doing so soon.

What ulterior motive? I am certainly not playing the devil's advocate in any way.

Sino, you're so over the top in your attitude and responses to other people that it almost seems like you're trying to make fun of yourself - like you've been playing the devil's advocate all this time, your ulterior motive to criticize the viewpoint you've been putting across. Pretty funny, actually.

i don't know. i like the gay nazi we already have better.

i don't know. i like the gay nazi we already have better.

Gay nazi? That doesn't make any sense as both the communists and the Nazis persecuted the gays. I may not support communism, but labor camps are a good idea. If the Nazis didn't persecute the Jews or initiate WWII, Hitler would have been a rolemodel leader.

Gay nazi? That doesn't make any sense as both the communists and the Nazis persecuted the gays.
Apparently you haven't met him yet, then.

Apparently you haven't met him yet, then.
you see, now youve completely lost me

Apparently you haven't met him yet, then.

What the hell are you on about?

One time I was in a play called "When Boys Wear Skirts." I had to dress up in my high schools cheerleading uniform (bloomers and all) and come up with a baton routine, as well.

Another time I was in a drag competition which raised money for aids research. I raised $250 for the cause. Thank Goodness it was a woman who bought me (I'm not gay, thats all).

Its a good thing to do if you want to get a laugh out of people.

There's nothing wrong with squeezing out a few laughs, but when someone does that constantly and seriously and claims to feel good or 'liberated', that's when the level of sanity is questionable.

Apparently you haven't met him yet, then.

Ernst Roehm was the only gay Nazi and he was bumped off after Hitler found no use for the SA.

Sino, you're so over the top in your attitude and responses to other people that it almost seems like you're trying to make fun of yourself - like you've been playing the devil's advocate all this time, your ulterior motive to criticize the viewpoint you've been putting across. Pretty funny, actually.

He's very entertaining.

Me?

Cross dressing?

Hell no!

*kicks a pair of neon pink pumps under the bed*

What the hell are you talking about? Who have you been talking to? Its a lie.

Fuck.

He's very entertaining.

You ain't seen nothin' yet, kid. Give me a glass of water, a bar stool and a willing audience and it'll be an unforgettable night of racist, anti-communist, sexist and dirty jokes!

You ain't seen nothin' yet, kid. Give me a glass of water, a bar stool and a willing audience and it'll be an unforgettable night of racist, anti-communist, sexist and dirty jokes!

Count me in!

*puts skirt on*

Count me in!

...Just lemme put my dress on...
Err... someone seems to have left some pink shoes here... would you like to borrow them? They really bring out the color in that... I mean...

yeah - here, just take these...

*gives Potaria the pink pumps*

You might want to shave a little though, youre looking a little feminist there chap ;)

No way, man. I'm going for the mustache.

:D

Wow... this is going soooo birdcage!

Hmm... do you know what gay horses eat?

Wow... this is going soooo birdcage!

Hmm... do you know what gay horses eat?

Each other?

...

*runs*

Count me in!

...Just lemme put my dress on...

I don't think it's drag night in this pub! So that better be your dress uniform, mister.

http://english.chinamil.com.cn/site2/tplimg/defens-2.jpg

I don't think it's drag night in this pub! So that better be your dress uniform, mister.

http://english.chinamil.com.cn/site2/tplimg/defens-2.jpg

I think I'll go with the blue one.

*strips*

Wow... this is going soooo birdcage!

Hmm... do you know what gay horses eat?

Birdcage? Isn't that the name of some bar in my city where some of my fellow students frequent (I have never entered it personally).

I think I'll go with the blue one.

*strips*

Then why don't you bomb some commies before ya come back!

Then why don't you bomb some commies before ya come back!

Only if they're bloody Stalinists.

Birdcage? Isn't that the name of some bar in my city where some of my fellow students frequent (I have never entered it personally).
I know you! Youre the guy in the leather chaps right? I do love the chrome, it totally suits that look - and you can totally pull it off! Go you!

Oh yeah - and gay horses...

They tend to eat... Haaaaaaaayyyy!!!! *flicks wrist* ;)

*strips*

*Sees nudity*

"Prey! Prey!"

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type79_sniperrifle762_4.jpg

I know you! Youre the guy in the leather chaps right? I do love the chrome, it totally suits that look - and you can totally pull it off! Go you!

F*ck off, Mr. Garisson (from South Park)! The Birdcage over here is a casino and bar, like any other.

F*ck off, Mr. Garisson (from South Park)! The Birdcage over here is a casino and bar, like any other.
Liquor in the front, poker in the rear I assume?

F*ck off, Mr. Garisson (from South Park)! The Birdcage over here is a casino and bar, like any other.

*Extremely fey voice*

Careful there, hot stuff. It may be more than meets the eye!

Liquor in the front, poker in the rear I assume?

GOLD!

*Extremely fey voice*

Careful there, hot stuff. It may be more than meets the eye!
He'll know when he gets a come on from Jimmy, the Black Jack dealer. They say he always gives a fair hand.

Liquor in the front, poker in the rear I assume?

Cut the crap with that dirty connotations! If you're going into a bar for straight people, at least act like you ARE one. Capeesh?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Number1azn365/specialforce1099hl.jpg

*tickles Sino*

hehehehehe....

Certain items of clothing have always signified something in a culture whether it be a monarchs robes of state a police officers uniform or ceo's Armani suit people know these things and react appropriately clothing is an indicator of how to react to an stranger a Goth person will react differently to a person also dressed like a Goth than they would that same person if the dressed in a suit if they did not know them

*tickles Sino*

hehehehehe....

*Feels nothing underneath all the Kevlar. Unsheaths bayonet and stabs.*

http://www.bayo-hunter.com/mycollect/Chinese2.jpg

*Feels nothing underneath all the Kevlar. Unsheaths bayonet and stabs.*

http://www.bayo-hunter.com/mycollect/Chinese2.jpg
Haha! Homophobes are fuuuuu-neee!!!

(btw - you should know, Im not actually gay, but thanks for playing along - let me know when you come out of the closet though, I have some friends that might like to meet you once youve softened up and admitted your insecurities) :)

Remember, the only drags permitted here are SVDs (Dragunovs). LOL!

http://www.lesjones.com/www/images/posts/ndm86_600_02.jpg

(btw - you should know, Im not actually gay, but thanks for playing along - let me know when you come out of the closet though, I have some friends that might like to meet you once youve softened up and admitted your insecurities) :)

I'm more secured than Tiananmen Square! I clearly don't see your logic. Hitler persecuted Jews and he was not a Jew. Hitler also killed a lot of fags in the camps, but gays today argue that Hitler was also gay. It makes no bloody sense. One more generation and they'll be more claims of famous people in history being gay.

Ah well - at least you can take a joke. Ciao Sino - time for bed... I had better get into my PJ's...

http://garscontent.com/502-fevrier/0202/drag-queen-big.jpg

:p

I'm more secured than Tiananmen Square! I clearly don't see your logic. Hitler persecuted Jews and he was not a Jew. Hitler also killed a lot of fags in the camps, but gays today argue that Hitler was also gay. It makes no bloody sense. One more generation and they'll be more claims of famous people in history being gay.

Leonardo Da Vinci was homosexual and vegetarian. So there.

Leonardo Da Vinci was homosexual and vegetarian. So there.
I'll bet good money that Dubya is too!

I'll bet good money that Dubya is too!

:D

Ah well - at least you can take a joke. Ciao Sino - time for bed... I had better get into my PJ's...

http://garscontent.com/502-fevrier/0202/drag-queen-big.jpg

:p

Why don't you take one of Hitler's 'sleeping pills' (cyanide tablets)? You'll never need to be awake again.

Why don't you take one of Hitler's 'sleeping pills' (cyanide tablets)? You'll never need to be awake again.

Now, now... Each of us will have time for a dirtnap after we turn 80. No need to rush things.

I'll bet good money that Dubya is too!

Bullshit! Dubya can bridge the gap with the Islamic world by opening up re-education facilities for gays. What do ya know? Two birds with one stone! It'll also stop the shameful image of thousands of gays lining up outside the government office in San Fransisco demanding 'marriage'.

Why don't you take one of Hitler's 'sleeping pills' (cyanide tablets)? You'll never need to be awake again.
On the topic of medication, the doctor has an injection hed really like to give you!

http://www.straight.com/images/HEA_Keith_1922.jpg

C'mere big boy! Its time for your daily dose!!

Leonardo Da Vinci was homosexual and vegetarian. So there.

Eccentric Italian he was, doubt that he actually practiced homosexualism. Newton was a virgin for life (he was engaged at one stage), are you going to accuse a great scientist of being another gay?

On the topic of medication, the doctor has an injection hed really like to give you!

Tell me how far I am away from him so that I can put a 7.62x54mmR right between his eyes.

Eccentric Italian he was, doubt that he actually practiced homosexualism. Newton was a virgin for life (he was engaged at one stage), are you going to accuse a great scientist of being another gay?

Newton was an ass. The amount of shit he gave Leibnitz for independently discovering calculus. :sniper:

Tell me how far I am away from him so that I can put a 7.62x54mmR right between his eyes.
Hes right behind you... oops... too late... its in.

He doesnt seem to like you though.

Now, now... Each of us will have time for a dirtnap after we turn 80. No need to rush things.

Dirtnap at 80? I'm planning to live beyond 100. Cleanliness is godliness.

Hes right behind you... oops... too late... its in.

He doesnt seem to like you though.

Glad they include a groin guard with the Interceptor.

http://www.anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/uploads/SoldierTech_Armor4.jpg

Glad they include a groin guard with the Interceptor.

http://www.anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/uploads/SoldierTech_Armor4.jpg
Too bad its on the front and not the back eh?

Oh wait... or is that to protect your masculine image from complications that might... pop up?

Newton was an ass. The amount of shit he gave Leibnitz for independently discovering calculus. :sniper:

Either way, Man still has calculus! What about Daimler and Benz? They simultaneously invented the automobile in the same city.

Too bad its on the front and not the back eh?

Oh wait... or is that to protect your masculine image from complications that might... pop up?

In the backshot, that soldier's not wearing it. I heard that it's like a pair of briefs but worn on the outside.

*U.S. soldier impersonation.*

"No Iraqi's gonna kick me in the ballz, sir. Hoo-ah!"

this has really gotten off subject hasnt it? heh

Either way, Man still has calculus! What about Daimler and Benz? They simultaneously invented the automobile in the same city.
And every day that I suffered in my engineering classes I cursed the invention of calculus. On the topic of automobiles however, Daimler was responsible for inventing the first working internal combustion engine that was used in an automobile. Daimler, Benz and Maybach all shared in pioneering the automotive age as far as internal combustion engines, but automobiles were invented long before that. :)

this has really gotten off subject hasnt it? heh

Who here actually want to discuss why some people don't feel right having their set of genitals?

And every day that I suffered in my engineering classes I cursed the invention of calculus.

So we do have something in common. I myself am a civil engineering student. And no, mathematical modelling is my current favorite paper.