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yeah I know. "shiaze, tell us something we don't know."
Well have I got something for you. about a week or two ago I was watching Paula Zahn Now on CNN and they were talking about bush threatening to veto stem cell research (different topic) anyway he was making a speech surrounded by families and he said "We will not use public money to fund the destruction of human life" reffering to the research bill Well i'm sorry mr. bush but last time I checked taxes were public money and those fund your little war and war is destruction of human life so 1) you're going to give us back our money or 2) your an idiot.

yeah I know. "shiaze, tell us something we don't know."
Well have I got something for you. about a week or two ago I was watching Paula Zahn Now on CNN and they were talking about bush threatening to veto stem cell research (different topic) anyway he was making a speech surrounded by families and he said "We will not use public money to fund the destruction of human life" reffering to the research bill Well i'm sorry mr. bush but last time I checked taxes were public money and those fund your little war and war is destruction of human life so 1) you're going to give us back our money or 2) your an idiot.

1) That's your opinion.

2) He's preventing the destruction of even more human life by Saddam Hussein's regime.

3) Grammar = Friend.

I think Shiaze is an idiot for posting spam myself but he's entitled to his opinion just like we're entitled to ours.

1) That's your opinion.

2) He's preventing the destruction of even more human life by Saddam Hussein's regime.

3) Grammar = Friend.
Oh, please. Bush killed more Iraqi civillians than Saddam did.

yeah I know. "shiaze, tell us something we don't know."
Well have I got something for you. about a week or two ago I was watching Paula Zahn Now on CNN and they were talking about bush threatening to veto stem cell research (different topic) anyway he was making a speech surrounded by families and he said "We will not use public money to fund the destruction of human life" reffering to the research bill Well i'm sorry mr. bush but last time I checked taxes were public money and those fund your little war and war is destruction of human life so 1) you're going to give us back our money or 2) your an idiot.Note: The stem cell research does not destroy human life. This has been pointed out several times already. It just destroys cells that may become human embryo cells but have no consciousness or life at the moment of their 'destruction'.

Otherwise, what you say holds true. However, the severity of the war on Iraq depends on whether you hold Bush morally responsible for the suicide bombings and attacks after the war 'finished'.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

2) He's preventing the destruction of even more human life by Saddam Hussein's regime.

...By creating more destruction of human life, reputation, and economies. Eliminating possible threat of destruction of human life with definate destruction of human life. Hmmm.

3) Grammar = Friend.
How ironic, since Bush has no concept of grammar.

Oh, please. Bush killed more Iraqi civillians than Saddam did.

Proof Please?

Oh, please. Bush killed more Iraqi civillians than Saddam did.



And the funniest joke of the year award goes to...

The families he was surrounded by are people who adopted the embryos that fertility clinics were going to throw away. He was trying to show that those cells are living human beings. Actually quite intelligent, though I doubt he came up with it. Oh, and I havn't seen any mass graves created by Americans in Iraq.

I think taxpayers would be overjoyed if all the money that was spent of the Iraq war was refunded to them. However it will never happen, so let's go save some lives by preventing medical research.

Oh, please. Bush killed more Iraqi civillians than Saddam did.

Heh, no. Good try, though.

http://www.iraqfoundation.org/hr/2002/cdec/4_abuse.html

I think taxpayers would be overjoyed if all the money that was spent of the Iraq war was refunded to them. However it will never happen, so let's go save some lives by preventing medical research.

Interesting. My parents got their refund so what are you talking about? Even I got my refund too.

I think taxpayers would be overjoyed if all the money that was spent of the Iraq war was refunded to them. However it will never happen, so let's go save some lives by preventing medical research.
Currently, that would work out to $586 for every man, woman, and child in the US. That is more than the average tax cut rebate that Bush pissed away?

I refuse to vote in the poll. It is too biased. However, since I am somewhat libertarian, I think I would lean towards the government giving back the money. But not giving back the money for the war. Defense is one of the publicly funded institutions that even libertarians would not deny funding to.

I refuse to vote in the poll. It is too biased. However, since I am somewhat libertarian, I think I would lean towards the government giving back the money. But not giving back the money for the war. Defense is one of the publicly funded institutions that even libertarians would not deny funding to.
However, you could argue that the War in Iraq is not defensive and therefore should not have been funded by public monies?

I urinate on this thread!

Yes, eggs can be adopted, but not all of them will be adopted. What about the ones that aren't adopted? Leave them in the freezer, destroy them, or actually use them for something can possibly cure some of the world's worst diseases?

Yes, eggs can be adopted, but not all of them will be adopted. What about the ones that aren't adopted? Leave them in the freezer, destroy them, or actually use them for something can possibly cure some of the world's worst diseases?

Or just make an omelet. Mmmmm…

They are not eggs they are embryos. Most people don't have a problem with expirementing on eggs but the moment those eggs are fertilized they are human beings (the brain begins froming an hour after conception). Many people have a problem with sacrificing the most defensless to help others. Some compare it to anchient Bale worship, killing babies in the false hope (name one deisece cured by stem cells in the Euorpoean nations where it is legal) that it will benifit the other citizens.

Honestly, I think Bush is a very likable guy, but he is an idiot (yes, i have met him). And all that freeing the peoples of Iraq talk is BS. We're just transitioning them from an obviously corrupt stable government to a power-hungry opportunist unstable government. Violence only breeds violence and this mess of a war has costs our country the lives of some really great people, amongst whom were some of my friends. There is no end to this war...I've seen that first-hand.

Or just make an omelet. Mmmmm…
I aree, fuck of all this and let's make an omlet.

There is no end to this war...I've seen that first-hand.

Really? You've seen the outcome of this war firsthand? And how is that, exactly? Because Democrats in Washington like to call this "Bush's Vietnam?" Because ever day the news media reports on the number of U.S. soldiers killed, but not the number of "insurgents" (aka terrorists), the number of new schools, hospitals, power-plants etc. built, or the fact that the overwhelming majority of Iraqi's are thankful towards the U.S. and optimistic about the future of their country?

You do realize that we spent years and years after the end of WWII fighting insurgents in Japan and Germany. No war ever just "ends," quick and clean in the sense you suggest that this war already should have. I'm pretty sick of the line of reasoning that "We shouldn't have fought this war because now we actually have to stick it out until it's finished, and that's just crazy-talk!"

Anyway, getting back on topic, this is, without a doubt, a completely useless thread. I think my favorite part about it is that the topic creator obviously expected the majority of posters to jump on the "Yeah, bush iz the sux0rz, LOL!!11!1" bandwagon and just the opposite happened. :p

Anyway, getting back on topic, this is, without a doubt, a completely useless thread. I think my favorite part about it is that the topic creator obviously expected the majority of posters to jump on the "Yeah, bush iz the sux0rz, LOL!!11!1" bandwagon and just the opposite happened. :p
I am virulently against Bush's policies, but this thread is tasteless. It's pure dumbassity(TM) .

Thank you EAC :)

a power-hungry opportunist unstable government.

I can't help but think of 'oil for food' when I read that. The only reasonable adjective that can be used from that selection to describe the new government in Iraq is 'unstable', and even then it's not quite crumbling right now. I don't know why you call it 'power-hungry' and 'opportunistic'.

Virulently. ;)

I can't help but think of 'oil for food' when I read that. The only reasonable adjective that can be used from that selection to describe the new government in Iraq is 'unstable', and even then it's not quite crumbling right now. I don't know why you call it 'power-hungry' and 'opportunistic'.
Every government is power-hungry and opportunistic, the only adjective that varies is unstable.

Really? You've seen the outcome of this war firsthand? And how is that, exactly? Because Democrats in Washington like to call this "Bush's Vietnam?" Because ever day the news media reports on the number of U.S. soldiers killed, but not the number of "insurgents" (aka terrorists), the number of new schools, hospitals, power-plants etc. built, or the fact that the overwhelming majority of Iraqi's are thankful towards the U.S. and optimistic about the future of their country?

Um....maybe I could get an idea of how the war is going because I've spent 11 moths in Iraq and about 6 months in Afghanistan. I'm not calling it Bush' Vietnam, and I'm not a Democrat. The Democrat part insults me, but yes I've seen new hospitals (that a lot of Iraqis can't get to because of roadblocks, checkpoints, and bueracracy). I've seen new schools (that are so few and far between because a persons food and water take priority over ABCs), and yes I've seen the power plants (that replace the ones we blew up or damaged). The fact is most Iraqis are happy Saddam is gone, but they are not happy we are there. Let me ask you, have you ever tried talking to people in Baghdad and asking them how this war is going? Every war is different and WWII insurgents don't mean anything in 2005. I agree we have to clean up this mess, but to call it anything other than that is disgraceful to me, my friends, and any other serviceman or woman who has fought there.

Every government is power-hungry and opportunistic, the only adjective that varies is unstable.

I thought of saying that, but it seemed a bit too negative. I'm not so interested in making a generalization and leaving it at that as I am at getting specific examples from lambda-zeta.

...WWII insurgents don't mean anything in 2005.

And Iraqy insergents won't mean anything in 2065 :D

Serriously though, you are one of the few who has any right to complain about the war. I thank you for what you have done, even if you don't agree with it. God bless you and all the other brave soldiers laying their life on the line every day.

Oh, please. Bush killed more Iraqi civillians than Saddam did.

Really? Cool! And here I didn't even know Bush was fighting over there. But, oh well. I guess Bush helped fund Hezbollah and donated to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine, too, eh? And I guess Bush's daughters were the ones that order eleven- and twelve-year-old school girls to rape to their heart's content. You know what? I bet Bush gassed the Kurds, too, didn't he?

Honestly, I think Bush is a very likable guy, but he is an idiot (yes, i have met him). And all that freeing the peoples of Iraq talk is BS. We're just transitioning them from an obviously corrupt stable government to a power-hungry opportunist unstable government. Violence only breeds violence and this mess of a war has costs our country the lives of some really great people, amongst whom were some of my friends. There is no end to this war...I've seen that first-hand.

Why don't you do a little research on what an awesome guy Saddam was before you imply that the volatile government we've replaced his dictatorship with is worse. You can dig more shit up on him than you can on Clinton, and that's a hell of a lot. I don't give a shit about the people in Iraq - I only mention the benefits to the Iraqi people when I'm trying to convince bleeding-hearts to change their minds. I'm glad Saddam's gone because he was a malicious, sadistic bastard that, even if not tied to the Taliban, was tied to a hundred other terrorist organizations and deserves a fate much worse than he is going to get.

Why don't you do a little research on what an awesome guy Saddam was before you imply that the volatile government we've replaced his dictatorship with is worse. You can dig more shit up on him than you can on Clinton, and that's a hell of a lot. I don't give a shit about the people in Iraq - I only mention the benefits to the Iraqi people when I'm trying to convince bleeding-hearts to change their minds. I'm glad Saddam's gone because he was a malicious, sadistic bastard that, even if not tied to the Taliban, was tied to a hundred other terrorist organizations and deserves a fate much worse than he is going to get.
wow. I won't even get into an argument with that crap. It's not even worth it. I'll just say a few words here: why don't you do some research on what an awesome guy Bush is? If you only knew half of his story, you'd think twice about supporting his crusade for "freedom."

Why don't you do a little research on what an awesome guy Saddam was before you imply that the volatile government we've replaced his dictatorship with is worse. You can dig more shit up on him than you can on Clinton, and that's a hell of a lot. I don't give a shit about the people in Iraq - I only mention the benefits to the Iraqi people when I'm trying to convince bleeding-hearts to change their minds. I'm glad Saddam's gone because he was a malicious, sadistic bastard that, even if not tied to the Taliban, was tied to a hundred other terrorist organizations and deserves a fate much worse than he is going to get.

Who said Saddam wasn't a sadistic dictator? Also, what "research" is needed on that subject? Hey, if you don't give a shit about the Iraqi people, then how are you justifying this war again? A)finding nuclear weapons B)"spreading democracy" or C) none of the above. Saddam's a dick, but there are 50 other dicks just like him. Hey, I got an idea, when we blow up all those other countries with corrupt governments, how about I sit that one out and you do the fighting. War is not the solution to all the world's problems.

Really? Cool! And here I didn't even know Bush was fighting over there. But, oh well. I guess Bush helped fund Hezbollah and donated to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine, too, eh? And I guess Bush's daughters were the ones that order eleven- and twelve-year-old school girls to rape to their heart's content. You know what? I bet Bush gassed the Kurds, too, didn't he?

Why don't you do a little research on what an awesome guy Saddam was before you imply that the volatile government we've replaced his dictatorship with is worse. You can dig more shit up on him than you can on Clinton, and that's a hell of a lot. I don't give a shit about the people in Iraq - I only mention the benefits to the Iraqi people when I'm trying to convince bleeding-hearts to change their minds. I'm glad Saddam's gone because he was a malicious, sadistic bastard that, even if not tied to the Taliban, was tied to a hundred other terrorist organizations and deserves a fate much worse than he is going to get.

Right on!

Hey, if you don't give a shit about the Iraqi people, then how are you justifying this war again?

He was a threat to the U.S. and all of the West and its our sovereign right to defend oursevles.

He was a threat to the U.S. and all of the West and its our sovereign right to defend oursevles.

I do agree, he was a threat, but are we not threats to Syria and North Korea?
We are, but I hardly think anyone over here would see it as their sovereign right to invade or bomb us (Even though they would get their asses kicked).

He was a threat to the U.S. and all of the West and its our sovereign right to defend oursevles.

How?

I hope you're not referring to WMDs or nuclear weapons.

Lawful Men, Rouge Newbie, I applaude you.

However...

Chap stick 45, perhaps you could enlighten me as to how Pres. Bush is such a low down, evil guy.

...he places his chin in his hand and stares at the screen with a nonchalant anticipation in his eyes...

Lamba-Zeta (it is a shame that you and I are on opposite ends of the spectrum, because I do tend to view our soldiers as heroes, regardless of their political beliefs)(Btw, thank you.) if you believe that violence only breeds violence than do you also believe that we have a military merely to make an attempt at intimidating our enimies? Did you not realize that in war violence may occur?

The families he was surrounded by are people who adopted the embryos that fertility clinics were going to throw away. He was trying to show that those cells are living human beings. Actually quite intelligent, though I doubt he came up with it. Oh, and I havn't seen any mass graves created by Americans in Iraq.

Try watching Al Jazeera.

Try watching Al Jazeera.

No thank you. I get my daily dose of propaganda and blatent lies by reading liberal NS posters every day. :D

No thank you. I get my daily dose of propaganda and blatent lies by reading liberal NS posters every day. :D

:rolleyes:

Serriously though, you are one of the few who has any right to complain about the war.
How do you determine who has the "right" to complain about the war?

I get my daily dose of propaganda and blatent lies by reading liberal NS posters every day.

Finally, someone who doesn't watch Fox News ;)

How do you determine who has the "right" to complain about the war?

Everyone has the right to complain about anything they please as long as they aren't directly aiding the enemy by their statements. Lambda-Zeta has been there, he has fought so that we can all live in freedom. I simply meant that he has a much better perspective than the rest of us, from the human aspect, his "big-picture" needs work, though.

Actually people can say whatever the f*ck they want to as long as it doesn't incite violence. Such are our Free Speech laws.

Everyone has the right to complain about anything they please as long as they aren't directly aiding the enemy by their statements. Lambda-Zeta has been there, he has fought so that we can all live in freedom. I simply meant that he has a much better perspective than the rest of us, from the human aspect, his "big-picture" needs work, though.
And how do you determine that someone's complaint is "directly aiding the enemy"?

How does his "big-picture need work"?

No thank you. I get my daily dose of propaganda and blatent lies by reading liberal NS posters every day. :D

Now this is funny! LOL!

Rock on Undelia :)

Real mature poll Shiaze

OK first off Bush is the President and he deserves respect just like any other pres. So you're entitled to your opinions but just watch yourself, have respect. Plus CNN is pretty much left-leaning, I'll prolly get some heat for saying this but whatever. Bush did save more people than he killed.

1) That's your opinion.

2) He's preventing the destruction of even more human life by Saddam Hussein's regime.

3) Grammar = Friend.

Exactly. Number two is especially true and grammar is always a good friend of mine.

OK first off Bush is the President and he deserves respect just like any other pres. So you're entitled to your opinions but just watch yourself, have respect. Plus CNN is pretty much left-leaning, I'll prolly get some heat for saying this but whatever. Bush did save more people than he killed.

Here here Malaastare!

I think Shiaze is an idiot for posting spam myself but he's entitled to his opinion just like we're entitled to ours.


I second that.

Heh yeah bad grammar man.. I agree with you that there's a certain irony in Bush claiming that he "won't use public funds to destroy human life".. But c'mon.. this debate is over, anyone with a conscience and the slightest degree of intelligence knows that your president is a moron, and a dangerous moron at that... Case closed, stop talking about it..

Oh, please. Bush killed more Iraqi civillians than Saddam did.


I know you dont really believe this blatently moronic statement.

One who thinks this is true would have to hire a person to poke them with a stick every time they forgot to breath and are in danger of passing out.

Heh yeah bad grammar man.. I agree with you that there's a certain irony in Bush claiming that he "won't use public funds to destroy human life".. But c'mon.. this debate is over, anyone with a conscience and the slightest degree of intelligence knows that your president is a moron, and a dangerous moron at that... Case closed, stop talking about it..

Really? Cause the majority of the posts here seem to indicate otherwise.

And I'm going to go ahead and assume since you said "your president," you're not from the U.S., so your opinion means about jack-shit to me. See, most Americans stopped caring about how the rest of the world felt about who we elected and how we ran our government circa 1776.

And that is why the rest of the world hates you. That is why it's gonna bite you on the ass when your economy collapses and the vultures swoop.

Not to mention that, by your logic I could happily disregard every non-brit to go on about how oppressed I am by gun laws. Instead I actually bother to listen and argue rather than dismiss out of hand on a point of nation arrogance.

And that is why the rest of the world hates you. That is why it's gonna bite you on the ass when your economy collapses and the vultures swoop.

I don't see our economy collapsing anytime soon. If anything, China's economy is going to collapse long before the US's does. Frankly, our economy is rather healthy. Unemployment is now down to 5.1%! Haven't seen it that low in awhile. So when do you think our economy is going to collapse?

And that is why the rest of the world hates you. That is why it's gonna bite you on the ass when your economy collapses and the vultures swoop.

There won't be any vultures to swoop. America's economy is far too large to just collapse without bringing the rest of the world with it.

There won't be any vultures to swoop. America's economy is far too large to just collapse without bringing the rest of the world with it.

Pretty much accurate. :D