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I didn't know about this until recently, but Emir Faisal invited the Zionist Organization to come and settle in Palestine.

Here's a link
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/faisaltext.html

Nah they didn't give it to them. Some big Palestinian land lords sold the Zionists like 10 percent of the total land area of Israel Palestine early on but that was about it. A decade before the foundation of Israel the Arabs launched a huge revolt against the Zionists and the British from 1936-39 but were militarily defeated by the British. They didn't exactly willingly hand over their homeland.

...not that Jews don't deserve to live there, since it's their homeland too.

It was knows as Israel and Judah (one or the other, or both) buring Biblical times.

...not that Jews don't deserve to live there, since it's their homeland too.

It was knows as Israel and Judah (one or the other, or both) buring Biblical times.

I wasn't aware that having your ancestors a hundred generations back occupy a peice of real estate entitled you to take ownership of it in the present. Learn something new every day...

That should make for some interesting court cases in North America.

I wasn't aware that having your ancestors a hundred generations back occupy a peice of real estate entitled you to take ownership of it in the present. Learn something new every day...

That should make for some interesting court cases in North America.

Yeah well, if they were not forcibly evicted by the arabs and the ottoman empire then they would not have left :rolleyes:

Nah they didn't give it to them. Some big Palestinian land lords sold the Zionists like 10 percent of the total land area of Israel Palestine early on but that was about it. A decade before the foundation of Israel the Arabs launched a huge revolt against the Zionists and the British from 1936-39 but were militarily defeated by the British. They didn't exactly willingly hand over their homeland.
:rolleyes:

Did you actually read the link in the original post?

There was an official agreement, signed in 1919 by the Hashemite dynasty, the undisputed Arab leadership of the time, about creating a Jewish state in Palestine. This is in fact the first document that explicitly talks about creating a Jewish state rather than a vague "national home" as the British suggested in the Balfour declaration.

The Arab-Jewish relations back then were very different from how they are presented by the propagandists of all shapes and sizes.

I wasn't aware that having your ancestors a hundred generations back occupy a peice of real estate entitled you to take ownership of it in the present. Learn something new every day...

It's not just about that. That area is the spiritual homeland of the Jewish people. It's where they belong.

Did you actually read the link in the original post?.the Pals and the jews are at war...so I prefer neutral sources.

:rolleyes:

Did you actually read the link in the original post?

There was an official agreement, signed in 1919 by the Hashemite dynasty, the undisputed Arab leadership of the time, about creating a Jewish state in Palestine. This is in fact the first document that explicitly talks about creating a Jewish state rather than a vague "national home" as the British suggested in the Balfour declaration.

The Arab-Jewish relations back then were very different from how they are presented by the propagandists of all shapes and sizes.
Bah Faisal was a pawn of the British and French imperialists. The Palestinian arabs did not support his little love fest with Weizman, and he only entered into the agreement because the British twisted his arm. He wasn't a Palestinian and the Palestinans did not support him. He was a complacent tool of the victorious allies who after winning WWI carved up the Ottoman empire into the present day middle east.

It's not just about that. That area is the spiritual homeland of the Jewish people. It's where they belong.

Yet another consideration that would make for some very interesting court cases in North America.

Yeah well, if they were not forcibly evicted by the arabs and the ottoman empire then they would not have left.

Oh look... another one.

Yet another consideration that would make for some very interesting court cases in North America.

Which is why, if I'm totally honest, I advocate an enforced repatriation of all non native North Americans to their places of origin :p And, to extend the policy further, seeing as I'm an Anglo-Saxon, living in England, i'd be happy to give Britain over to the actual Britons - the Welsh. I'd have to bugger off to Denmark or something.

Which is why, if I'm totally honest, I advocate an enforced repatriation of all non native North Americans to their places of origin :p And, to extend the policy further, seeing as I'm an Anglo-Saxon, living in England, i'd be happy to give Britain over to the actual Britons - the Welsh. I'd have to bugger off to Denmark or something.

Not Denmark. It's even worse than England.

Bah Faisal was a pawn of the British and French imperialists. The Palestinian arabs did not support his little love fest with Weizman, and he only entered into the agreement because the British twisted his arm. He wasn't a Palestinian and the Palestinans did not support him. He was a complacent tool of the victorious allies who after winning WWI carved up the Ottoman empire into the present day middle east.
That's funny. Shows your complete and utter lack of knowlege.

1)Feisal was nobody's pawn. The Hashemite dynasty cooperated with the British in overthrowing the Ottoman empire- but that's it. In fact, Feisal had signed this agreement to gain an ally against the Brits and to undermine their excuse for maintaining their colonial presence in the Arab world. Which is why the very next year the British began supplying Abdul Aziz Al-Saud, the Wahhabi warlord who before that couldn't maintain a hold on his own home region, with tons of cash and weapons until he could build an army big enough to defeat Feisal and oust the Hashemites from Hedjaz (as a result we now have his descendants, the despicable Saudi royal family). After that Feisal was elected to the Syria throne and actually fought a pretty big battle against the French who came to take it over (known as the battle of Maysalun, do check it out). Some pawn :rolleyes:

2)Of course Feisal wasn't a Palestinian. Back then, there were neither Palestinians nor Palestine, except in the Western mind. Even the word Palestine did not exist in the Arabic language prior to World war I. The Muslim world has never regarded Palestine as a separate territorial unit, instead including it into the "Syrian vilayet"- a province including the territory of modern day Israel, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. The separate Palestinian identity only began forming after the British had separated the Western Palestine. Until then, they were Ottoman Arabs- and Feisal's subjects.

3)The Arabs did support Feisal, as evident by the fact that he was TWICE elected to the throne in two different Arab lands- first Syria, then Iraq. The only reason the same didn't happen in Palestine was because the Brits wouldn't allow the Arabs to make their own choice.

4)Feisal's real motivation was well expressed in one of his letters to Felix Frankfurter, from the Zionist movement:

We feel that the Arabs and Jews are cousins in race, having suffered similar oppressions at the hands of powers stronger than themselves, and by a happy coincidence have been able to take the first step towards the attainment of their national ideals together.

The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted yesterday by the Zionist Organization to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as moderate and proper. We will do our best, in so far as we are concerned, to help them through: we will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home.
With the chiefs of your movement, especially with Dr. Weizmann, we have had and continue to have the closest relations. He has been a great helper of our cause, and I hope the Arabs may soon be in a position to make the Jews some return for their kindness. We are working together for a reformed and revived Near East, and our two movements complete one another. The Jewish movement is national and not imperialist. Our movement is national and not imperialist, and there is room in Syria for us both. Indeed I think that neither can be a real success without the other.

http://amislam.com/feisal.htm

I wasn't aware that having your ancestors a hundred generations back occupy a peice of real estate entitled you to take ownership of it in the present. Learn something new every day...

That should make for some interesting court cases in North America.

Actually Jews were living in Jerusalem for a few hundred years up to 1929.

It's not just about that. That area is the spiritual homeland of the Jewish people. It's where they belong.
first off, im a jew and a zionist. but seriously, do you really think that argument alone will stand up?

I didn't know about this until recently, but Emir Faisal invited the Zionist Organization to come and settle in Palestine.

Here's a link
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/faisaltext.html
weird, i just studied the Middle East and didn't know about this. it kinda makes me pissed off because it would've made a great source for my paper :(

weird, i just studied the Middle East and didn't know about this. it kinda makes me pissed off because it would've made a great source for my paper :(
Very few people know about it. Which is why it is one of my favorite debating WMDs.