NationStates Jolt Archive


What is worth dying for?

Bodhis
03-06-2005, 22:15
What is worth dying for? Why is that thing worth you giving your life for it? If there is nothing worth dying for, then please explain why you feel that way.
Squirrel Nuts
03-06-2005, 22:18
I'll have to think about this one, but no matter what I wouldn't kill unless someone was directly attacking me.
Sinuhue
03-06-2005, 22:20
I can't really choose any of your poll options, because I think they are too vague...and the situation would have to be very specific. I would die for freedom, yes, but what kind of repression would I have to be experiencing, and what effect would my death have on lifting that repression? That would be the deciding factor. Same goes for dying for friends, family, strangers, humanity, etc etc etc. I would have to feel that my death would make a positive difference, and that the cause was worth such an action. So no hunger-strikes with the intent to die, just so Old Dutch brings back Mexican-Chili Chips. Mmmm...the best flavour EVER!
Zotona
03-06-2005, 22:21
I would die for any cause I believed in. I believe that my life isn't important, but what IS important is if I'm remembered afterwards. I want to be remembered as a hero, and/or a revolutionary. So, dieing for a cause that's important to me makes perfect sense to me.
Sinuhue
03-06-2005, 22:23
I would die for any cause I believed in.
I believe in a national daycare plan...but I wouldn't become a martyr for it.

"There are causes worth dying for, but none worth killing for." Albert Camus
Willamena
03-06-2005, 22:27
Everything except nothing.

All the affairs of man, his legacies and accomplishments, each person in the world, their lives and loves, their incredible journies, their toys and games, the past, the future, random acts of kindness, home and country, job and career, the 1955 Chevy and the Silver Bullet locomotive, cats, dogs, living together, the Grand Canyon, the Great Barrier Reef, Olav Rokne, Winston Churchill, and Bugs Bunny... they, and more, are all worth dying for.
Drunk commies deleted
03-06-2005, 22:28
I believe in a national daycare plan...but I wouldn't become a martyr for it.

"There are causes worth dying for, but none worth killing for." Albert Camus
And that's why you'll never get one.
Sinuhue
03-06-2005, 22:31
And that's why you'll never get one.
Seriously? That's what it's going to take? Well, I will now go jump off my building with a letter saying, "I did it for a national daycare plan!" :D
Pure Metal
03-06-2005, 22:32
i would like to think i'd die for a number of causes i believe in, and certainly my family... but you didn't specify the amount of pain involved. i mean i'd die for some causes, but wouldn't suffer extreme pain (ie torture) for most of those i'm sure
The Abomination
03-06-2005, 22:33
I'd die for my friends.
I'd die for my family.
I'd die for my country.

Since my country consists of roughly 59,999,972 perfect strangers, tick that one as well.
The Abomination
03-06-2005, 22:35
Everything except nothing.

All the affairs of man, his legacies and accomplishments, each person in the world, their lives and loves, their incredible journies, their toys and games, the past, the future, random acts of kindness, home and country, job and career, the 1955 Chevy and the Silver Bullet locomotive, cats, dogs, living together, the Grand Canyon, the Great Barrier Reef, Olav Rokne, Winston Churchill, and Bugs Bunny... they, and more, are all worth dying for.

Well said. *respectfully bows*
Bodhis
03-06-2005, 22:37
I can't really choose any of your poll options, because I think they are too vague...and the situation would have to be very specific. I would die for freedom, yes, but what kind of repression would I have to be experiencing, and what effect would my death have on lifting that repression? That would be the deciding factor. Same goes for dying for friends, family, strangers, humanity, etc etc etc. I would have to feel that my death would make a positive difference, and that the cause was worth such an action. So no hunger-strikes with the intent to die, just so Old Dutch brings back Mexican-Chili Chips. Mmmm...the best flavour EVER!

I understand. And I know I could have put about a million more options and situations for the poll. The poll is there for the hell of it... but the question still remains whether anything is worth dying for. I have asked myself the question several times and have a hard time coming up with a solid answer. We cannot know the future or the outcome that our death would produce, so it's hard to make a decision. I just wanted to see other people's opinions and thought it would make for good discussion.
Swimmingpool
03-06-2005, 22:37
Freedom is a part of a number of political ideologies, so I pick those

I also pick family and friends.
Sinuhue
03-06-2005, 22:44
Everything except nothing.

All the affairs of man, his legacies and accomplishments, each person in the world, their lives and loves, their incredible journies, their toys and games, the past, the future, random acts of kindness, home and country, job and career, the 1955 Chevy and the Silver Bullet locomotive, cats, dogs, living together, the Grand Canyon, the Great Barrier Reef, Olav Rokne, Winston Churchill, and Bugs Bunny... they, and more, are all worth dying for.
You would die for Bugs Bunny?

*steps away in awe* :eek:
Th Great Otaku
03-06-2005, 22:44
awwwww, my boyfriend.....^^
Drunk commies deleted
03-06-2005, 22:46
Seriously? That's what it's going to take? Well, I will now go jump off my building with a letter saying, "I did it for a national daycare plan!" :D
Try to aim for a conservative politician.
Zotona
03-06-2005, 22:48
You would die for Bugs Bunny?

*steps away in awe* :eek:
I would die for Bugs Bunny's right to crossdress. THAT'LL TEACH THE HOMOPHOBES! :mad: :D
The Alma Mater
03-06-2005, 23:01
Everything I may choose to die for. At this moment the only things I am certain of are preventing myself from being reduced to a vegetable or unable to recognise anyone and do anything. When push comes to shove however, I suspect I would be willing to die for a select group of persons, including people I consider more valuable to humanity than myself.
Eriadhin
03-06-2005, 23:21
I would die for my country, my family, friends, even a stranger if it helped in some way.
I would die for my beliefs, not necessarily as a martyr, I would choose death if someone said: "Reject God and your faith or I will kill you" I would say: "Pull the trigger"

I would not care if anyone remembered me or even knew what cause I died for. That is not the point. I would die if it was to save someone else or if it was a moral issue.

But in no way would I kill. There is nothing in this world that could make me kill, only if God Himself appeared in front of me and told me to do it. He makes the rules, so He decides how to do things. (To my knowledge this has only happened to one man in all of history and the man he killed was utterly evil)
Lokiaa
03-06-2005, 23:21
Freedom, friends, family, and ideology.

And anything that is worth dying for is worth killing for.
Cabra West
03-06-2005, 23:21
I would die for Bugs Bunny's right to crossdress. THAT'LL TEACH THE HOMOPHOBES! :mad: :D

*tries to remember her childhood
He did that a number of times, didn't he? I seem to remember him wearing dress and wig and lipstick and coming on to Elmer Fudd... ;)
Drunk commies deleted
03-06-2005, 23:22
*tries to remember her childhood
He did that a number of times, didn't he? I seem to remember him wearing dress and wig and lipstick and coming on to Elmer Fudd... ;)
Scalia was right! Homosexuality has led to beastiality!
Cabra West
03-06-2005, 23:26
I would die for a number of causes, although I can't imagine a scenario where my death would make any difference to any of them.
I would kill for none of these causes, I would kill under no circumstances whatsoever.
Saige Dragon
03-06-2005, 23:50
Death is inevitable; we will all die one day whether it is saving the lives of millions or just going to sleep and never waking up. I’d die for the sake of living. I’d die for the 17 years of the life I’ve had the chance to experience. Yes it has had its downs but that’s all part of life and I’m glad that I’ve felt what anger and happiness and pain and joy. Many people don’t see and appreciate what makes us who we are, different from the plants and many animals that populate our small planet. I have and I would gladly die just knowing that I am who I am, lived my life being me, a person.
Tiauha
04-06-2005, 00:30
Life is only worth living once you've found something worth dying for.
- anon
Economic Associates
04-06-2005, 00:36
You would die for Bugs Bunny?

*steps away in awe* :eek:

The question is will he die for the new and improved Buzz Bunny. :rolleyes:
Zotona
04-06-2005, 00:46
*tries to remember her childhood
He did that a number of times, didn't he? I seem to remember him wearing dress and wig and lipstick and coming on to Elmer Fudd... ;)
He did. And it was considered acceptable mainstream comedy. Hmmm...
NYAAA
04-06-2005, 00:53
#1, most important - FREEDOM.
#2, family & close friends
#3, "other" (country)
#4, Political ideology (freedom)
#5, Stranger

And if in danger, all of these things are worth killing for as well.
Santa Barbara
04-06-2005, 00:54
Everyone dies, so since the supply is so large I would say that the market value of death must be relatively minimal. People can and have died for any number of causes, reasons, crusades and sick jokes of happenstance. People have died for a toothpick! Death is basically worthless.
Zotona
04-06-2005, 00:58
Everyone dies, so since the supply is so large I would say that the market value of death must be relatively minimal. People can and have died for any number of causes, reasons, crusades and sick jokes of happenstance. People have died for a toothpick! Death is basically worthless.
I now publically declare my love for you. :fluffle:
Koroser
04-06-2005, 00:59
"But there are causes worth dying for," said Butterfly.
"No, there aren't! Because you've only got one life but you can pick up another five causes on any street corner!"
"Good grief, how can you live with a philosophy like that?"
Rincewind took a deep breath.
"Continuously!"
Gambloshia
04-06-2005, 01:09
A total stranger. I don't value my life very much.
Divine Imaginary Fluff
04-06-2005, 01:14
Nothing at all, unless you count dying for myself.

That's it. *insert evil, hysterical laugher here*
Santa Barbara
04-06-2005, 01:18
I now publically declare my love for you. :fluffle:

Yayz! wait ...do you have breasts?
Constantinopolis
04-06-2005, 01:23
Political ideology. Give me communism or give me death.
Naturality
04-06-2005, 23:23
Freedom is what I voted.

Would also stand and fight for family and friends maybe even a total stranger.
But freedom is what struck me of what is worth dieing for instinctively.. to me.
If I had children then my first instinct would probably be to die for them.. then freedom.
Bachnus
04-06-2005, 23:58
Everything I may choose to die for. At this moment the only things I am certain of are preventing myself from being reduced to a vegetable or unable to recognise anyone and do anything. When push comes to shove however, I suspect I would be willing to die for a select group of persons, including people I consider more valuable to humanity than myself.
RIGHT ON RIGHT ON PERFECTLY SAID! Why is it that people are so willing to die for things? I think that if one really values life they would sacrifice it only for the things they value more than it, and those things would be select and few. A total stranger? Come on! Would you ask a total stranger to die for you? And besides what family and friends you would devastate, what about your own values?

Why the fuck are our own values the last things that people would die for? If you value anything, you have to first value yourself in some way. If the personal interests of your friends and family are worth consideration, what about your own? I would hate to die for some higher ideological cause like "For Capitalism" or something. At best I would be a story people would think of now and then, or possibly end up completley forgotten (and even at that being thought of isn't too important to me when I am dead), and then there goes anything I ever could have lived for.

I would have to die for (for meaning that I would save/preserve) something I absolutley loved - my wife, or friends dear to me. I'm not sure I can think of any specific possesions, unless completely life changing to anyone who encounters it, (maybe a private island with an incredible sunset, which nothing in our ordinary lives compares to, so that it reminds us beautiful things like it exist and so we have no tolerance for office cubicle monotony).

For ideology, as someone else mentioned, I would die only if I knew my death would further an incredibly significant cause (not a hopeless Romeo & Juliet death for a great ideal beyond what I could acheive)- but something that would change people like that private island I mentioned.

A total stranger? Come on! I have things to live for...
DHomme
05-06-2005, 00:05
well i would do anything for a klondike bar...
Lokiaa
05-06-2005, 02:24
A total stranger? Come on! Would you ask a total stranger to die for you?


Damn straight I would. I'm the King of Cool and Son of Caesar, and my life is worth far more than you filthy plebians. :p

Ever see that Simpson's episode where Homer's Mardi Gras float loses brakes and starts going downhill and Homer responds by ordering drunken idiots to lie on the ground and slow down the several hundred pound platform?
That's how I will be defended. ;)
New British Glory
05-06-2005, 02:28
Didnt Martin Luther King say something along the lines of:

"A man who has nothing to die for, doesn't deserve to live"
New Granada
05-06-2005, 06:25
"upon this battle depends the survival of christian civilization, upon it depends our own british life and the long continuity of our institutions"

Born an american, i would glady die for the United Kindgom.
New Granada
05-06-2005, 06:29
I would choose death if someone said: "Reject God and your faith or I will kill you" I would say: "Pull the trigger"



It is a great shame that this choice is not given more often in america today.

I side with H L Mencken on this subject:

"Hanging one scoundrel, it appears, does not deter the next. Well, what of it? The first one is at least disposed of."
Commie Catholics
05-06-2005, 06:30
Family
Friends

People tend to put family and friends before themselves.

Freedom
Religion
Political Ideology

I'd rather be right than alive.
Eutrusca
05-06-2005, 07:31
What is worth dying for? Why is that thing worth you giving your life for it? If there is nothing worth dying for, then please explain why you feel that way.
There's a list of what I would consider worth dying for:

* To protect my family, or avenge some vile thiing done to one of them.

* To save the life of a friend, an acquaintance, a stranger.

* To help preserve the freedom and welfare of my community, my nation, humanity as a whole.

It's for certain we're all going to die; how much better to make your death count for something than to simply wither away.
Californian Refugees
05-06-2005, 07:40
It's easier to die for something than to live for it.
Texpunditistan
05-06-2005, 07:44
Anything truly worth living for is worth dying for.
Avarhierrim
05-06-2005, 07:44
A total stranger? Come on! I have things to live for...

im happy that someone does
Industrial Experiment
05-06-2005, 07:49
I put freedom, friends, and family. There are also situations where I would put my life on the line for a stranger.

Martyrdom is, in and of itself, the ideal death. You see, a man who is born to a regular lower-middle class mother, goes to school and is a BC student, grows up and gets a desk job where he answers phones everyday, and goes on to die in his sleep, will not be remembered by anyone but his family and few friends.

A man who moves out into the world, does something, changes something or someone (for better or worse), has made an impact. This person is now a part of human history.

There are two quotes I love for this instance:

If you're not to be forgotten, when you're dead and rotten; write something
worth reading, or do something worth the writing. --- Benjamin Franklin

and

Be great ye sons of gods for ye are not the gods themselves --- Unknown
Lashie
05-06-2005, 09:30
I said, Religion, family, friends, and maybe freedom, depends what it'll accomplish

Oh and a total stranger, infact any human
Nimzonia
05-06-2005, 09:39
I considered family. But in general, I don't see the lack of any of them being more disadvantageous than being dead. For example, you don't get much freedom in a coffin.

Also, I strongly suspect that the majority of people who voted 'freedom' did so on impulse, and would actually think twice about dying for it if it came to the crunch.
Almighty Kerenor
05-06-2005, 09:46
Nothing is worth dying for.
You live your life for yourself and yourself only.
I wouldn't die for money, which will not serve me anyways once I'm dead.
I wouldn't die for friends or family, who I will never see again anyways once I'm dead.
I wouldn't die for freedom, of which I will not enjoy because I'm dead.
Nothing is worth dying for, life is too great. It's a real pity we die.
Verghastinsel
05-06-2005, 09:48
Ask rather, what is worth living for?
Funky Beat
05-06-2005, 10:04
Ask rather, what is worth living for?

Everything. Surely that's easy to figure out.
Especially Lego Blocks. They are so cool. :D

What would I die for??? Someone I love, I suppose, although its hard for me to say because I've never loved anybody apart from my parents...
Commie Catholics
05-06-2005, 10:07
Life. Life sucks.
Commie Catholics
05-06-2005, 10:07
I'm in one of those moods right now where I could kill each and every one of you. :sniper:
Cadillac-Gage
05-06-2005, 10:08
What is worth dying for? Why is that thing worth you giving your life for it? If there is nothing worth dying for, then please explain why you feel that way.

The right to fail. You heard me, the right to fail. not the right to BE a Failure, but the right to put it down on the line, and take that risk knowing that if it goes teats-up, nobody is going to come in and save me. The right to take risks (calculated, maybe) in my life. This is the defining 'negative' of Freedom-the freedom to succeed or fail in what you do without interference or intervention by "Higher Authorities".

You could also term it the right to refuse Servitude.
Almighty Kerenor
05-06-2005, 10:11
Ask rather, what is worth living for?

For oneself and whatever pleasures one.
Zotona
05-06-2005, 20:40
Yayz! wait ...do you have breasts?
Indeed I do.
Blu-tac
05-06-2005, 20:49
"There are causes worth dying for, but none worth killing for." Albert Camus

What a load of !#~@$. Theres only 3 things important in life, money, a lovely wife and getting a conservative government into power. USA!!!
Mott Forest
05-06-2005, 21:09
Another humen being is worth dying for. I don't know about freedom, religion and ideology, maybe in some extreme scenarios. Usually you can do more for freedom, religion and ideology alive.