NationStates Jolt Archive

Yep, they're outraged. Not at the torture that occurs in Saudi prisons, not at the absolute lack of religious freedom, not at the mismanagement and corruption of the ruling Saud family, but at the prospect of women driving.

What a backwards mess that country is.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_women_behind_the_wheel

Oh, and apparently it's more illegal to propose a gradual shift toward democracy in Saudi Arabia than it is to be an Al Quaeda terrorist.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/21/AR2005052100527.html

Stupidity knows no bounds.

How comes Kofi Anan hasn't declared them in violation of international law?

I'm not surprised.

How comes Kofi Anan hasn't declared them in violation of international law?What international law could they have possibly violated? They're on the UN human rights committe. If you can't trust the Human rights committe who can you trust?

Stupidity knows no bounds.

Not really stupidity. More likely authoritarianism and social control


How comes Kofi Anan hasn't declared them in violation of international law?

I know you'r a smart guy. I'm sure you really know ;)

What international law could they have possibly violated? They're on the UN human rights committe. If you can't trust the Human rights committe who can you trust?

They signed the UN charter, didn't they? I'm pretty sure that had some shit about democracy, and civil rights for women and stuff.

And as we all know, the UN charter is a treaty, and you are supposed to abide by it under international law. (I think that's what Anan said).

This just tells me what I already know, that Saudi Arabia is one of the most screwed up countries on Earth.

They're on the UN human rights committe.
Jesus H. Christ on a bike, who the hell was asleep at the switch on that one?

This just tells me what I already know, that Saudi Arabia is one of the most screwed up countries on Earth.


Jesus H. Christ on a bike, who the hell was asleep at the switch on that one?

The same people who put Sudan there.

This just tells me what I already know, that Saudi Arabia is one of the most screwed up countries on Earth.

They're on the UN human rights committe.

Jesus H. Christ on a bike, who the hell was asleep at the switch on that one?

You mean you actually think hte Human Rights Committee is there to ensure human rights?

Cute ;):)

You mean you actually think hte Human Rights Committee is there to ensure human rights?

Cute ;):)

HA HA HA HA HA HA!

They're on the UN human rights committe.

How the fuck did this happen?

When black people were oppressed in south africa a trade embargo was declared.
Wonder if the Bush family will have a trade embargo with saudi over the oppresssion of women?

How the fuck did this happen?
* throws glass of water in her face *

WAKE UP! The UN is a sham!

* throws glass of water in her face *

WAKE UP! The UN is a sham!

Her?

How the fuck did this happen?


They apply for a possition on the commitee and have their third world cronies endorse them. Kinda like with delegates in NationStates

So I take it with all this brutal oppression and outrage, the US will be "liberating" Saudi Arabia soon?

They apply for a possition on the commitee and have their third world cronies endorse them. Kinda like with delegates in NationStates

Sounds about right.

When black people were oppressed in south africa a trade embargo was declared.
Wonder if the Bush family will have a trade embargo with saudi over the oppresssion of women?
LOL

The Bush family are good friends with the house of Saud.

LOL

The Bush family are good friends with the house of Saud.
Really?
Wow!
They seemed so well balanced and reasonable to me :p

I'm so sick of kow-towing to these SOB's! We go after Iraq, siting that Hussien is a dictator and must be overthrown, yet our president is practically in bed with THESE dictators!

I'm tired of depending on their oil, I'm tired of them stomping on human rights, I'm tired of the UN bowing to them, and I'm tired of their bullshit!

Seeing these Saudi princes walking around like they're God makes me sick!

I'm usually not the one to jump into a conflict, but I seriously want to see them get their smug asses kicked...HARD!

So I take it with all this brutal oppression and outrage, the US will be "liberating" Saudi Arabia soon?

If by "liberating" you mean cuddling up to politically then most likely yea.

I'm so sick of kow-towing to these SOB's! We go after Iraq, siting that Hussien is a dictator and must be overthrown, yet our president is practically in bed with THESE dictators!

I'm tired of depending on their oil, I'm tired of them stomping on human rights, I'm tired of the UN bowing to them, and I'm tired of their bullshit!

Seeing these Saudi princes walking around like they're God makes me sick!

I'm usually not the one to jump into a conflict, but I seriously want to see them get their smug asses kicked...HARD!
I agree. I'd like to see protests in front of their embassy. I'd like to see people spitting on members of the royal family wherever they see them.

It just goes to show how our modern culture is far superior to their murderous, cruel medieval culture.

How comes Kofi Anan hasn't declared them in violation of international law?
Well, have they violated international law?

It just goes to show how our modern culture is far superior to their murderous, cruel medieval culture.


Well, have they violated international law?

They've violated the UN charter. Repeatedly. Apparently that counts in the mind of Anan.

So I take it with all this brutal oppression and outrage, the US will be "liberating" Saudi Arabia soon?

No, that would be against international law. ;)

The same people who put Sudan there.
Don't forget Libya.

How comes Kofi Anan hasn't declared them in violation of international law?
Anan is a secretary, not a president. For the UN to declare them in violation of international law, one of the member countries would have to move for a resolution and then it would have to be voted.

Hmmm... I wonder, if that happened, what country would veto it...

If by "liberating" you mean cuddling up to politically then most likely yea.

More like holding hands and walking through flowers gardens. :rolleyes:

No, that would be against international law. ;)

Yay! Head-slamming-into-wall hypocrisy!

Anan is a secretary, not a president. For the UN to declare them in violation of international law, one of the member countries would have to move for a resolution and then it would have to be voted.

Hmmm... I wonder, if that happened, what country would veto it...

Take your pick
Will it be door number one, she's famous for her wine and cheese, its FRANCE

Or door number two, known as the motherland she really packs a punch, its RUSSIA

Or door number three, one of the oldest countries in the world, its CHINA

Actually, given what is continually shown on middle eastern tv this type of shit really isn't surprising.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=16051_Voodoo_Antisemitism_in_Saudi_Arabia&only

The clip there is actually produced by a Jordanian company. You know, with stuff like this on tv, is it really surprising the palestinians keep killing themselves? I'd be depressed as well if I had to watch this dreck day in and day out.

Lets look at all the paragons of human rights on the Human Rights' committee over the years.

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu2/2/chrmem.htm

2005:

1. Saudi Arabia
2. Zimbabwe
3. China
4. Cuba
5. Nigeria
6. Pakistan
7. Qatar
8. Sudan

In 2003 both Libya and Syria were on it.

From 1992-1994 the Islamic Republic of Iran was on it

Iraq was on it from 1987-1992

In 2003 both Libya and Syria were on it.

From 1992-1994 the Islamic Republic of Iran was on it

Iraq was on it from 1987-1992
It's a rotating membership. All countries eventually get to be in it. The US, UK, Germany, and Findland are also members. What's your point?

It's a rotating membership. All countries eventually get to be in it. The US, UK, Germany, and Findland are also members. What's your point?

Finland, the US, and UK are not horrible violators of human rights. This committee is intended to prevent abuses of human rights. By allowing nation such as Iraq and Iran, which regularly abuse human rights to be on a committe defending rights, you significantly harm your own interests.

When black people were oppressed in south africa a trade embargo was declared.
Wonder if the Bush family will have a trade embargo with saudi over the oppresssion of women?

You know what would work even better? If the US government had one!

It just goes to show how our modern culture is far superior to their murderous, cruel medieval culture.

But I thought we weren't allowed to judge anyone based on anything. After all, wouldn't it be "imperialist" and "unilateral" to "impose" our beliefs of equal humanity for women on their "unique culture"?

Those countries that violate basic human rights should not be allowed to serve on a human rights board.

Finland, the US, and UK are not horrible violators of human rights. This committee is intended to prevent abuses of human rights. By allowing nation such as Iraq and Iran, which regularly abuse human rights to be on a committe defending rights, you significantly harm your own interests.
No, the committee is to review the situation of human rights around the world and recommend action. Allowing all countries mean that not only a few "chosen" ones will be defining what a violation of a human right is. Being on the committee doesn't mean that your country won't be observed.

Truth is that neither the committee nor the UN have been given enough mandate to prevent or intervene human rights abuses inside the borders of any country. Only the Security Council can do that, and things can get really bogged down there.

Well, women aren't very good drivers IMO.

Not that man are so very much better, but hey someone's gotta drive.

Anan is a secretary, not a president. For the UN to declare them in violation of international law, one of the member countries would have to move for a resolution and then it would have to be voted.

Hmmm... I wonder, if that happened, what country would veto it...

He has no trouble pointing out when he feels the US is in violation of international law. In fact he proclaims it quite loudly, without any help from the GA.

How comes Kofi Anan hasn't declared them in violation of international law?

The US is on the Security Council, and as a permanent member of significant influence they would never allow the UN to do so.

The US is on the Security Council, and as a permanent member of significant influence they would never allow the UN to do so.

I am not talking about the UN, I am talking about Kofi Anan. He has spoken out against other nations for violating international law in the past, without any resolutions from the GA.

Those countries that violate basic human rights should not be allowed to serve on a human rights board.
I guess that leaves everyone out except Sweden. Or Finland.

Otherwise, I'm sure you'll find some skeletons in the torture chamber.

I am not talking about the UN, I am talking about Kofi Anan. He has spoken out against other nations for violating international law in the past, without any resolutions from the GA.

Every one of Anan's words aren't exactly broadcast religiously in the media. He has already and it was posted in this BBC article.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4419333.stm

Every one of Anan's words aren't exactly broadcast religiously in the media. He has already and it was posted in this BBC article.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4419333.stm

That's not saying Saudi Arabia is in violation of international law.

When black people were oppressed in south africa a trade embargo was declared.
Wonder if the Bush family will have a trade embargo with saudi over the oppresssion of women?
ill bet you it'll be an oil embargo too :)

I'd like to see people spitting on members of the royal family wherever they see them.
that would mean those people being tortured and executed. perhaps it's up to Americans to actualy vote in politicians who won't be so friendly to dictators. (not saying that you didn't)

More like holding hands and walking through flowers gardens. :rolleyes:
didnt they kiss too? :fluffle:

What international law could they have possibly violated? They're on the UN human rights committe. If you can't trust the Human rights committe who can you trust?

To be fair about Annan and the Human Rights Committee:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4419333.stm

I also found this as an interesting read:

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/03/24/sudan10367.htm

Can someone tell me why we are even discussing Kofi Annan when Bush has closer ties to the Saudis and he doesn't criticize them at all?

that would mean those people being tortured and executed. perhaps it's up to Americans to actualy vote in politicians who won't be so friendly to dictators. (not saying that you didn't)
Not really. Those scumbags travel. They shop, vacation, and attend events in Europe, the USA and Asia. I just wish people would treat them like the filth that they are. Restaurants should refuse to seat them, rich and famous people should refuse to invite them to parties, fancy stores should treat them like a smelly bum who stumbled in off of the street.

How comes Kofi Anan hasn't declared them in violation of international law?
Why hasn't Bush?

Why hasn't Bush?

Probably because both the UN and Bush agree that having friendly relations with the owners of the worlds main oil supplies is more important to the stability and peace in the world than the transgressions made against certain human rights. In other words: they have chosen the lesser of two evils, and put practical considerations before their ideals.

This may be the stance resulting in the lesser suffering, but if it is the correct stance or not is open for debate.

Well, have they violated international law?I dont think so.

Why hasn't Bush?
The US has recently listed Saudi Arabia as one of the most flagrant violators of anti-human trafficking laws. Hopefully some punishment will follow.

When black people were oppressed in south africa a trade embargo was declared.
Wonder if the Bush family will have a trade embargo with saudi over the oppresssion of women?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!

No.