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Brought to you by the same doctors who want us to ban guns......

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Are they going to ban chains, leather belts, and heavy objects that could be used to throw at someone now?

Brought to you by the same doctors who want us to ban guns......

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Are they going to ban chains, leather belts, and heavy objects that could be used to throw at someone now?

Reifying a country is understandable when talking about the government. But not when refering to the ideas put forward by a group of private citizens.

Your statement in the title is no more true the me saying "America seeks to nuke Saudia Arabia" because a group of wackos in Montana* suggested it.



*No offense meant to Montanans, just the first place to pop in my head

^ Good point.

Just because a small group of people want it, doesn't mean the governemnt will follow teir lead. If Great Britain does ban knives, then you should complain, because that's ridiculous...

Point taken...

Better?

^ Good point.

Just because a small group of people want it, doesn't mean the governemnt will follow teir lead. If Great Britain does ban knives, then you should complain, because that's ridiculous...

The won't (I think), simply from a logistical point of view. I mean, I have a lot of sharp kitchen knives. Lots of people do. I doubt the police have the man power to confiscate every sharp knife in Britain. I mean, hand guns were easy, only a minority had then, and they were all registered.

Banning pointy knives makes about as much sense as banning tooth picks. There is simply no way they could all be collected

Point taken...

Better?

Yeah, though I cannot help but wonder why "Anti-gunner" is used as and adjective for the doctors. If they are against pointy knives, being anti-gun is a given, no?


(unless this is a use of "Anti-Gunner" which I have never come across)

I've read this before, and I thought it was on this forum...

Anyway they don't want to ban knives but require them to be blunted. Sure it doesn't get at the actual problem, but I honestly don't see the harm in making blunted knives (At the tip not the edge).

i think my iq just dropped reading that :-/

I've read this before, and I thought it was on this forum...


It was...

Twice...

Maybe more...

Pfft... And I responded. I lose the game.

but long pointed blades slip into human flesh in a way akin to "cutting into a ripe melon."
But what if you want to cut a ripe mellon?

I've read this before, and I thought it was on this forum...

Anyway they don't want to ban knives but require them to be blunted. Sure it doesn't get at the actual problem, but I honestly don't see the harm in making blunted knives (At the tip not the edge).
Because the tip is usefull depending on what you are doing (working with meats a lot of times)
Piercing and working with some fruits ... I use it all the time

Because the tip is usefull depending on what you are doing (working with meats a lot of times)
Piercing and working with some fruits ... I use it all the time

I have a large set of very nice stainless steel chopsticks at home. 20 pairs - nicely made for having guests over.

They are also quite pointy, and each is about 10 inches in length. They throw very well, and nearly always stick in whatever you throw them at.

So, would those be considered "offensive" or "lethal" weapons in the UK?

My dinner guests would be very put out.

Banning kitchen knifes is just wrong.

I have a large set of very nice stainless steel chopsticks at home. 20 pairs - nicely made for having guests over.

They are also quite pointy, and each is about 10 inches in length. They throw very well, and nearly always stick in whatever you throw them at.

So, would those be considered "offensive" or "lethal" weapons in the UK?

My dinner guests would be very put out.

Well, no. Because as has been pointed out before the story is only about 3 guys who suggested knives should be banned, hardly newsworthy. Its not going to happen.

Dumb idea. More people in the world die from car accidents than being stabbed by kitchen knives.

Well, no. Because as has been pointed out before the story is only about 3 guys who suggested knives should be banned, hardly newsworthy. Its not going to happen.

Usually, campaigns to ban instruments of any kind usually starts with rather official sounding physicians making proclamations that "this particular item is quite dangerous, and should be banned".

It's only a matter of time. I'm willing to bet on it.

Usually, campaigns to ban instruments of any kind usually starts with rather official sounding physicians making proclamations that "this particular item is quite dangerous, and should be banned".

It's only a matter of time. I'm willing to bet on it.

Give us some credit.

Though there are some government ministers who I think would support such a ban (eg Tessa Jowell), it probably won't get very far. It is too impractical to enforce.

Give us some credit.

Though there are some government ministers who I think would support such a ban (eg Tessa Jowell), it probably won't get very far. It is too impractical to enforce.

I'll give you credit until some hoodie pulls out a Hoffritz kitchen knife at a mall and slashes some innocent shoppers and perhaps kills a child or two.

Then the idiocy will begin.

could you imaging trying fillet a fish without a point on the knife?

or for that matter do pretty much anything involved in proper cooking?

I know not many people do much more then order a takeout or ready meals but there are some of us still that enjoy having proper cooked food (especially seeing as how my new man is a chef) he would go nuts if he read this so I'm going to spare you the screaming and just suggest that it won't work.

I can't wait until they trying telling old Gordon Ramsey about this one...

I'll give you credit until some hoodie pulls out a Hoffritz kitchen knife at a mall and slashes some innocent shoppers and perhaps kills a child or two.

Then the idiocy will begin.

It is funny you mentioned hoodies WL, as there is a mall in Britian that finds hoodies and hats a threat.

click (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4534903.stm)

Unfortunantly, this artical isn't as good as one I had seen yesterday.

I find clothed women to be a threat. Statistics show, nearly all female criminals committed crimes while clothed.

Clearly we have to outlaw women's clothing. Especially bra's.

I find clothed women to be a threat. Statistics show, nearly all female criminals committed crimes while clothed.

Clearly we have to outlaw women's clothing. Especially bra's.

:D

it's weird, but dispite being a news freak (I have one of those RSS news feeders, I subscribe to the BBC email service, I watch BBC News program, I'm joined onto the Guardian and Spectator websites and I'm considering subscribing to private eye) I have not heard the story mentioned once. And yet, the most reputable of all sources, Fox News, picks up on it. How Curious.
:rolleyes:

In all reality this will never happen. Ever. No-one will support banning knives, and the most that could happen is restrictions on carrying blades around with you, which I can understand. Most Knives don't make it out of the house, and when one is in the pocket of someone walking around, you usual suspect their motives.

Don't believe everything you read in the news. Especially Fox News. Check with BBC, Reuters, AP, PA, other news sources first.

It is funny you mentioned hoodies WL, as there is a mall in Britian that finds hoodies and hats a threat.

click (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4534903.stm)

Unfortunantly, this artical isn't as good as one I had seen yesterday.

Whenever someone commits a crime, it usually doesn't make the news. But if there's some "sensational" aspect they can point out, it gets extra play.

Since hoodies are a popular target of the press now, it would only take a single knife incident with one to make headlines.

It's all born out of the idea that somehow, people aren't responsible for doing bad things - it's their clothing, or it's their hand tools, or their knives, or their guns that make them do bad things.

It's not an impossible ban. They have severe restrictions on kitchen knives in Japan.

it's weird, but dispite being a news freak (I have one of those RSS news feeders, I subscribe to the BBC email service, I watch BBC News program, I'm joined onto the Guardian and Spectator websites and I'm considering subscribing to private eye) I have not heard the story mentioned once. And yet, the most reputable of all sources, Fox News, picks up on it. How Curious.
:rolleyes:

I'm fairly sure one of the other threads on this topic had a link to the BBC news story (I think it was Holy Womble's thread.)

here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

Britain gets stranger by the day.

I recommend we ban spades, people wont kill if they have no way of hiding the body ;)! Maybe as a precaution though for other dangers we could force everybody to wear boxing gloves, and build houses out of polystyrene. . .

Dumb idea. More people in the world die from car accidents than being stabbed by kitchen knives.

Yes but more people use kitchen knives as weapons to kill people than they do cars

And the point of the doctors request was to ban knives with a sharp point on the grounds that they had talked to over 100 professional chefs and they had all said that the pointed end of the knife was unessecary and that it made it very easy to stab people.

Well thats quite odd to want to replace kitchen knive with something blunter.Next pens and pencils will be put to trail by these docters because you can put an eye out with those!

Better yet, make everything out of bubble wrap! It's more fun than polystyrene! ;) :p :D

Well thats quite odd to want to replace kitchen knive with something blunter.Next pens and pencils will be put to trail by these docters because you can put an eye out with those!

Finally I can use the line:

Everything is funny until somebody loses an eye!!

Yes but more people use kitchen knives as weapons to kill people than they do cars

That's a ridiculous rationale to ban something, especially such a useful tool. If people don't access to knives they can use hatchets, the hammars, then bottles.

Nearly anything can be used to seriously injure someone. Banning it because of that is absurd

And the point of the doctors request was to ban knives with a sharp point on the grounds that they had talked to over 100 professional chefs and they had all said that the pointed end of the knife was unessecary and that it made it very easy to stab people.

Personally I find that claim begs belief.

Because the tip is usefull depending on what you are doing (working with meats a lot of times)
Piercing and working with some fruits ... I use it all the time

If you've read an of the real articles -- rather than Fox's hyperbole -- you'd know the idea is a ban on long pointed kitchen knives.

The doctor's research concluded:

1) There is no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all, having little practical value in the kitchen, argue the authors - who consulted ten top chefs from around the UK. None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

2) A short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault, but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs. Whereas a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon", say the authors.

3) Kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings. Many assaults are committed impulsively and prompted by alcohol and other drugs, and a kitchen knife makes an all too available weapon in such circumstances

This is merely an idea floated by 3 doctors. I don't necessarily agree with them.

But it is far from irrational. They aren't talking about rounding up everybody's knives. They are simply asking why not change the design of a common household product so it is safer. Basic consumer safety.

That the pro-gun crowd has gotten so hysterical about this only shows an inability to think reasonably about public safety at any level.

does this mean that the UK has already banned all those big-ass "hunting" knives that amercans can buy at just about any store from kmart to orvis?

If you've read an of the real articles -- rather than Fox's hyperbole -- you'd know the idea is a ban on long pointed kitchen knives.

The doctor's research concluded:

1) There is no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all, having little practical value in the kitchen, argue the authors - who consulted ten top chefs from around the UK. None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

2) A short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault, but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs. Whereas a pointed long blade pierces the body like "cutting into a ripe melon", say the authors.

3) Kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings. Many assaults are committed impulsively and prompted by alcohol and other drugs, and a kitchen knife makes an all too available weapon in such circumstances

This is merely an idea floated by 3 doctors. I don't necessarily agree with them.

But it is far from irrational. They aren't talking about rounding up everybody's knives. They are simply asking why not change the design of a common household product so it is safer. Basic consumer safety.

That the pro-gun crowd has gotten so hysterical about this only shows an inability to think reasonably about public safety at any level.
They have obviously never tried to filet a fish


(or small bone preperation for the meal)

(With so many lakes in minnesota we do a LOT of fishing)

does this mean that the UK has already banned all those big-ass "hunting" knives that amercans can buy at just about any store from kmart to orvis?

Not sure about hunting knives.

Though as far as I know they are legal. I know diving knives are and they are quite large (or can be).

Though they cannot be bought just anywhere. I think you might need a special permit. Though to be honest I don't know.

They have obviously never tried to filet a fish


(or small bone preperation for the meal)

(With so many lakes in minnesota we do a LOT of fishing)

Though I have never actually fileted a fish, can't you do that with a small knife?

does this mean that the UK has already banned all those big-ass "hunting" knives that amercans can buy at just about any store from kmart to orvis?
Though you may be able to buy them there is a limitation (at least here in Minnesota) at the length that a fixed blade knife can be carried on your person.

Though I have never actually fileted a fish, can't you do that with a small knife?
Good size northern … nothing less then 6 inches or so for blade (at least and that is if you are good) some bones can only be removed from one direction so the blade has to be most of the height (top to bottom) of the fish.

A good 8 inch blade is the best depending on the fish (musky can get massive too … but we don’t get many in the lakes around where I live so don’t have too much experience with them

But it is far from irrational. They aren't talking about rounding up everybody's knives. They are simply asking why not change the design of a common household product so it is safer. Basic consumer safety.


Well, then. Let's start with saving as many lives as we can then, eh?

Breast cancer in the United States kills four times as many people as are killed by firearms. Roughly 40,000 to 10,000 as a ratio.

Wow, that's horrible. And you know, some of those deaths could be avoided. In fact, let's look at an interesting study.

Study: Fellatio may significantly decrease the risk of breast cancer in women
Thursday, October 2, 2003 Posted: 9:19 AM EDT (1319 GMT)

(AP) -- Women who perform the act of fellatio on a regular basis, one to two times a week, may reduce their risk of breast cancer by up to 40 percent, a North Carolina State University study found.

Doctors had never suspected a link between the act of fellatio and breast cancer, but new research being performed at North Carolina State University is starting to suggest that there could be an important link between the two.

In a study of over 15,000 women suspected of having performed regular fellatio over the past ten years, the researchers found that those actually having performed the act regularly, one to two times a week, had a lower occurance of breast cancer than those who had not. There was no increased risk, however, for those who did not regularly perform.

"I think it removes the last shade of doubt that fellatio is actually a healthy act," said Dr. B.J. Sooner of Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, who was not involved in the research. "I am surprised by these findings, but am also excited that the researchers may have discovered a relatively easy way to lower the occurance of breast cancer in women."

The University researchers stressed that, though breast cancer is relatively uncommon, any steps taken to reduce the risk would be a wise decision.

"Only with regular performance will your chances be reduced, so I encourage all women out there to make fellatio an important part of their daily routine," said Dr. Inserta Shafteer, one of the researchers at the University. "Since the emergence of the research, I try to fellate at least once every other night to reduce my chances."

The study is reported in Friday's Journal of Medical Research.

In 1991, 43,582 women died of breast cancer, as reported by the National Cancer Institute.

Dr. Len Lictepeen, deputy chief medical officer for the American Cancer Society, said women should not overlook or "play down" these findings.

"This will hopefully change women's practice and patterns, resulting in a severe drop in the future number of cases," Lictepeen said.

Sooner said the research shows no increase in the risk of breast cancer in those who are, for whatever reason, not able to fellate regularly.

"There's definitely fertile ground for more research. Many have stepped forward to volunteer for related research now in the planning stages," he said.

Almost every woman is, at some point, going to perform the act of fellatio, but it is the frequency at which this event occurs that makes the difference, say researchers.

The reasearch consisted of two groups, 6,246 women ages 25 to 45 who had performed fellatio on a regular basis over the past five to ten years, and 9,728 women who had not. The group of women who had performed fellatio had a breast cancer rate of 1.9 percent and the group who had not had a breast cancer rate of 10.4 percent.

So, Cat, I can reduce the number of breast cancer deaths by 40 percent, just by mandating that women perform fellatio on a regular basis. That's far more than the number of people who would be saved if all gun violence suddenly stopped in the US (40 percent of 40,000 is more than 100 percent of 10,000).

(and now that you've read this far, let's see if you ACTUALLY read the post)

I know a few ways to severely injure someone without weapons (in theory). Does that mean my arms and legs are going to be banned?

Study: Fellatio may significantly decrease the risk of breast cancer in women
Thursday, October 2, 2003 Posted: 9:19 AM EDT (1319 GMT)

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Two things to post sprung to mind when I read that.

"See kids, science is fun"

and

"I'm surprised this hasn't become the most famous science article in the world"

take your pick.

Well, then. Let's start with saving as many lives as we can then, eh?
*snip*
(and now that you've read this far, let's see if you ACTUALLY read the post)

<sigh>

Yes, WL, I can read. I caught the made-up names in your fake article.

Any you and your pro-gun buddies are the ones making this about firearms. It isn't.

Now, let's test your reading skills:

here (http://press.psprings.co.uk/bmj/may/edit1221.pdf) is a copy of the actual article you are getting all worked up about. It is an editorial by 3 doctors in the British Medical Journal. As you can see it is less than 2 pages long.

It suggests -- as an alternative to other knife bans -- the banning of the sale of long, pointed kitchen knives.

Care to actually address its argument without reference to slippery slopes, red herrings, or other fallacies?

BTW, I highly doubt this suggestion is going anywhere. If it does, you can thank the hysteria caused by the media and pro-gun crowds for giving it so much attention. ;)

I find clothed women to be a threat. Statistics show, nearly all female criminals committed crimes while clothed.

Clearly we have to outlaw women's clothing. Especially bra's.


LOL- Thats great !

But we would have to worry about profiling then. If police observed nude women in public, they could assume they had or were about to engage in criminal activity and stop them.
And profiling just isnt fair.

But it is far from irrational. They aren't talking about rounding up everybody's knives. They are simply asking why not change the design of a common household product so it is safer. Basic consumer safety.


It's moronic. They are long and pointed for a reason. The design is not by accident you know.

And as for not rounding peoples knives up, that's what the UK government claims about guns, But the fact remains, it did round peoples guns up. (Actually, I can see the UK government going all out for this, it is the kind of stupidity they love).

<sigh>

Yes, WL, I can read. I caught the made-up names in your fake article.

Any you and your pro-gun buddies are the ones making this about firearms. It isn't.

Now, let's test your reading skills:

here (http://press.psprings.co.uk/bmj/may/edit1221.pdf) is a copy of the actual article you are getting all worked up about. It is an editorial by 3 doctors in the British Medical Journal. As you can see it is less than 2 pages long.

It suggests -- as an alternative to other knife bans -- the banning of the sale of long, pointed kitchen knives.

Care to actually address its argument without reference to slippery slopes, red herrings, or other fallacies?

BTW, I highly doubt this suggestion is going anywhere. If it does, you can thank the hysteria caused by the media and pro-gun crowds for giving it so much attention. ;)

I don't believe that the risks they identify are great enough to be of any concern to involve the passage of legislation.

If we're going to pass legislation to reduce a risk that small, we should clearly identify every other similar level of risk, and pass legislation to reduce that.

I personally don't believe that risks should be addressed on the basis of sensationalism - they should be addressed on the basis of how great an effect in risk reduction can be achieved for a particular cost.

I do believe that the media picked this story on purpose - an otherwise unreportable comment in a medical journal - because they fan the flames of those who WOULD ban something more than long pointy kitchen knives. I find the story as fatuous as the breast cancer/fellatio "story".

It reminds me of some of the OSHA regulations I've had to look at over the years. There's a mandatory sign you have to put up in pig farms that announce that "shit is slippery". They thought that by making people post those signs, fewer people would slip and fall. It hasn't had the desired effect - for some reason, the number of falls goes up slightly every year. But I'm sure that the signs cost money, and the committee meetings to decide what would be on the sign were not without cost.

It's moronic. They are long and pointed for a reason. The design is not by accident you know.

Really?

The authors of the article make their argument, in part, on the history of the design and why the design is outmoded.

They may well be wrong. Care to prove it?

(At least you are arguing about the actual point of the article -- not some made-up spin-off)

And as for not rounding peoples knives up, that's what the UK government claims about guns, But the fact remains, it did round peoples guns up. (Actually, I can see the UK government going all out for this, it is the kind of stupidity they love).

Oops. Spoke too soon.

Banning sale != banning ownership.

Well, anyone can ban the sale of knives.

I've made knives before. It's not that difficult, even if you want to make one that's quite nice.

They might have to ban the sale of grinding wheels.

Really?

The authors of the article make their argument, in part, on the history of the design and why the design is outmoded.

They may well be wrong. Care to prove it?

(At least you are arguing about the actual point of the article -- not some made-up spin-off)

If I recall the article (your link didn't work for me), it considers only two types of knives: carving and bread. Notably absent were boning and chef's knives.

A six inch boning knife (for beef/pork/lamb/mutton) will fuck you up considerably worse than any carving knife because of its narrow yet stiff thick (as measured across the tang) blade. Its basically like a sykes fairbairn knife that is blunt on one side.

However, there is no way you could design a boning knife with a rounded point. This is because the sharp tip is absolutely necessary for puncturing the fascial layers that surround joints and bones. It it didn't have it, you couldn't remove the meat in continuous layers, and would end up hacking it off with the edge in slabs.

As far as chefs knives go, the point adds balance, and acts as a break when chopping. It is also used to make punctures in the skins of things before slicing, pry layers apart &c. If you don't believe me, go to your kitchen, take your chef's knife, take it to the hardware store and have the tip ground into a nice blunt nose. You'll find it becomes a far less practical piece of kit.

Wustof already makes blunt carving knives. People don't like them however because they don't have a tip, so you can't spear the slices and move them away from the cut face when you are carving. (You can't use the carving fork, because it is stuck in the bulk of the meat). Also a lack of tip can be problematic when looking for the joints, or trying to remove a whole breast at once when carving poultry.


Oops. Spoke too soon.

Banning sale != banning ownership.

It wouldn't be the first time the UK has placed an outright ban on something. It's a semi-regular occurence. This is the country that fined a man several thousand dollars for selling bananas by the pound.

And this frm the country with laws that prohibit (among other things) tying alligators to lamp posts.

The guy was fined for not providing the weight in Kg. If he had, even in a small aside to his lb measures he wouldn't have had a problem.

<<Banning sale != banning ownership.>>

How long does a good kitchen knife last? My parents have owned a big kitchen knife as part of a set for 10 years at least. It's still in near-new condition. Not to mention that with a little work I could probably make a decent knife with a school forge.

Not to mention that with a little work I could probably make a decent knife with a school forge.

Go to the junkyard and pull the flat suspension springs from the rear of any car or truck.

Cut to desired length with a torch. Go ahead, you don't have to be neat about it.

Now take a grinding wheel (I'm sure there's one in every auto shop), and grind out the blade you want.

If you're really feeling handy you can heat it up with a torch until it's the color of yellow straw, and then drop it into an oil bath.

Now sharpen, put a handle on it, and you're all set.

How long does a good kitchen knife last? My parents have owned a big kitchen knife as part of a set for 10 years at least. It's still in near-new condition. Not to mention that with a little work I could probably make a decent knife with a school forge.

Are they going to give it to you when you leave home? Or will you just have to do without?

Are they going to give it to you when you leave home? Or will you just have to do without?

:D

I can see it now. Treasured pointed cooking knives passed down from generation to generation.

Not to mention the pointed cooking knives black market ...

I think you'll find they are only referring to a sharp-pointed kitchen knife, which many chefs have said is not needed. I fully support this - why have a useless item that poses significant risk to the public.

I think you'll find they are only referring to a sharp-pointed kitchen knife, which many chefs have said is not needed. I fully support this - why have a useless item that poses significant risk to the public.

Well, when you can butterfly a leg of lamb with round nose knife, let me know.

I don't believe for a second that they talked to any chefs about this.

Usually, campaigns to ban instruments of any kind usually starts with rather official sounding physicians making proclamations that "this particular item is quite dangerous, and should be banned".

It's only a matter of time. I'm willing to bet on it.

Oh come on. I'm sure there are thousands of people in america calling for the banning of guns but you dont pay much attention to them so you? So i hardly think many people are going to pay attention to these 3 guys.

It'll never happen. I'm willing to bet on it, and I live in the UK.

:D

I can see it now. Treasured pointed cooking knives passed down from generation to generation.

Not to mention the pointed cooking knives black market ...

It'd be like just after the war, when there were some
"naughty" people who didn't turn in their pots and pans during 1940, and now had a monopoly on the good cookware. :)

Well, when you can butterfly a leg of lamb with round nose knife, let me know.

I don't believe for a second that they talked to any chefs about this.

I don't believe they did either.

The won't (I think), simply from a logistical point of view. I mean, I have a lot of sharp kitchen knives. Lots of people do. I doubt the police have the man power to confiscate every sharp knife in Britain. I mean, hand guns were easy, only a minority had then, and they were all registered.

Banning pointy knives makes about as much sense as banning tooth picks. There is simply no way they could all be collected
Do it street by street in your local town. Not difficult, the nazis perfected it in clearing out the jews and the coomos took it over in clearing out every one else!

Oh come on. I'm sure there are thousands of people in america calling for the banning of guns but you dont pay much attention to them so you? So i hardly think many people are going to pay attention to these 3 guys.

It'll never happen. I'm willing to bet on it, and I live in the UK.

That's what they said about black widow catapults. Then they went and banned them. (Bastards, I'm still bitter about that).

I don't believe they did either.

No, and it's funny, because when I first heard about this last week I did. They all said that the point was completely neccessary.

The only way it'll get to commons is a Private Member and, TBH the Private Member's Bills are usually about something with far more point (excuse pun). Not that they ever get passed unless the govt really wants it.

If a minister even thinks about it the civil service will probably turn him off the idea (ever watch Yes Minister? It's true).

The only way it'll get to commons is a Private Member and, TBH the Private Member's Bills are usually about something with far more point (excuse pun). Not that they ever get passed unless the govt really wants it.

They could tack it onto the next crime bill, like they did with butterfly knives/martial arts practice weapons in the 1980s.

Brought to you by the same doctors who want us to ban guns......

Click (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158032,00.html)

Are they going to ban chains, leather belts, and heavy objects that could be used to throw at someone now?
Knives don't kill people!
People Kill People
Bann Julia Childs!

Do it street by street in your local town. Not difficult, the nazis perfected it in clearing out the jews and the coomos took it over in clearing out every one else!

Even the Nazis couldn't find all the Jews. And you cannot hide Jews in drawers.

Also they had better resources at their disposal.

You are also simplifying a bit, but meh, just me being pedantic.


That's what they said about black widow catapults. Then they went and banned them. (Bastards, I'm still bitter about that).

And in the process mythologised* it at least for the next decade.



*Nope, not sure if that is even a word.

They must ban lemons! That’s right, lemons. They can easily be squeezed to squirt lemon juice into people’s eyes while they proceed to do whatever awful things they please! And while you at it ban all citrus fruits and candy canes too! They can be licked till they are sharp and can be used to stab someone.

you can't ban oranges, they're too tasty

I think you'll find they are only referring to a sharp-pointed kitchen knife, which many chefs have said is not needed. I fully support this - why have a useless item that poses significant risk to the public.

Whoever the hell these doctors talked too, had never been in a kitchen before. Go try carving a slab of meat with a short rounded knife and tell me how well the slices came out later.

Well, then. Let's start with saving as many lives as we can then, eh?

Breast cancer in the United States kills four times as many people as are killed by firearms. Roughly 40,000 to 10,000 as a ratio.
We'd have to ban cars as well, they kill 44,000 a year and rising.