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Which do you prefer?
Which do you use?

I'm leaning Mac/Linux

Linux!!!

MACS!

There far superior to anything, and I'll tell you why. Because I use them, and bill gates sucks

http://www.penguincomputing.com/graphics/desktops/gates800x600.jpg

I am running Fedora Core 3 on my machine right now. I have my HD partitioned and actually still have XP, but prefer the LINUX side :)

I have my computer partitioned also. I have Fedora Core 3 (Beta) on the one partition and WinXP on the other. I need to get the final release version of FC3...

BILL GATES SUCKS!!!!! :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper:

Oh ya, my opinion:

Linux for reliablity

Mac for graphics

Windows for solitaire :p

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Does anyone know the stock symbol for Linux?

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Does anyone know the stock symbol for Linux?Linux is not a publicly traded company; it's an open source OS with multiple varieties, or distributions.
linux.com
PS—I use a Mac.

I mostly use Windows but I'll occasionally use my Linux box.

Go Linux! Currently, my distro is Ubuntu. It's nice for desktops, and it has all the perks of Debian's package management, while actually being up to date.

One thing that annoys me with Microsoft/Windows is that often when you buy a new computer (speaking of mainstream retailers, here) and get the OEM OS version, you don't get a Windows CD. Microsoft won't give you one, and the company that made the computer can have a deal with Microsoft not to give you one, either, referring to those wretched "System Restore" discs.

You don't know how many times I've had to create slipstreamed ISO files for friends so that they can just reinstall Windows or get into a recovery console that has support for NTFS. Why is it so hard for them to give you the OS on a CD, if you've already paid for it? Especially when it's so easy, albeit time consuming, to create one yourself. Ridiculous...

:fluffle: i love my mac i have a ibook g4 and its never cheated on me

I have a mac and I love it for what I do. It's not perfect for everything, but it's great for what I want.

Macs are better than shitty PCs.

Macs are better than shitty PCs.

Gee, thanks for clearing that up and putting the issue at rest so eloquently and with such impeccable reasoning.

You know, PC's are mainly used for business purposes, and macs tend to be less compatible with games and the like, almost everything is adaptable to Windows. Yes, Bill Gates sucks, but his software isn'r so bad. Linux REALLY sucks, it is only good for a select few things.

- Marke

Linux REALLY sucks, it is only good for a select few things.

Hahaha! Sure... :rolleyes:

PC for desktop, especially gaming. Mac for laptop

btw, does Linux make use of the new 64 bit processors? i know that macs and PC's arent 64-bit OS

Linux is a far supperoir OS. Mac hardware is overly expensive and weak, although it is very stlyish. PC hardware is very good but the Windows os tends to crash and is very weak on security. The Linux OS isn't ready for the average joe seeing how they are too dumb. Windows is easy to use but is too weak.. Only if you could take the windows GUI and put it ontop of the linux kernal (like the mac os). Only if mac would sell their GUI for intel based machines!!!

I like macs except for one thing, people need to develop more programs for them. We use them at school but their slow because we don't bother to upgrade, but i use a windows pc at home because i do.

everyone says that windows crashes more but i really havent crashed since windows 98 (the good ol' days, remember the blue screen of death, i only see them on my school computers now and it makes me nostalgic and pissed off at the same time)

I have always used PCs. I need the compatability and certain professional programs for business purposes. I have never had a crash or a security issue, that I am aware of, except for one virus related crash in 1994. Incidentally, I picked the virus up on the US IRS web site. Hmmmm.

It still depends on the person's prefences and how he/she is actually going to use the computer. I still prefer the PC + Windows combination due to the flexibility of PC hardware upgrades, and the range of software and games available for Windows. I never really liked Macs (and I have used them) as anything other than a computer with a OS that has a souped-up interface, and Linux can get a bit chaotic for some (as I had used some of the "older" and well-known distributions for quite some time). Yes, Windows are indeed lacking in terms of security, but you simply cannot deny the fact that the PC has a very wide range of software and games available for it.

I'm currently using an older ThinkPad R32, but will be buying a powerbook titanium and a VoodooPC laptop soon. The Voodoo will be XP with VMWare for multisystem testing (and gaming) and will dual boot Linux for web development. The Powerbook will be for web development, music and graphic design.

Windows XP Pro, though I'm using Firefox for my internet browser.

I prefer the game compatibility that Windows provides.

At home I use Windows and Linux. When I want to play a game, I boot into Windows. When I want to do anything else, I use Debian (Linux). At work I sit in front of a Windows machine from which I ssh to various systems (Solaris, Linux, or whatever) as needed.

Flame wars regarding which is better or worse are among the dumbest yet most prevalent debates among geeks. Its like asking what is the best automobile in the world? There is no answer for that. The answer depends on what you are going to use it for.

Using the car example, just think about the difference between the answers you would recieve to that question from an avid outdoorsman and a college kid. The outdoorsman might tell you that the best car in the world is a half-ton pickup truck made by Ford or Nissan. He feels this way because he often finds himself carrying trophies (dead animals), backpacks, tents, tackleboxes, and other gear through rough and mountainous terrain. This man might be correct in what he said, the Ford F-150 might be the best automobile in the world (for his needs).

The college student, on the other hand, isnt so outdoorsy. His automobile doesnt need to haul heavy loads anywhere. He doesnt take it through hazardous terrain, and he could care less how much the insurance on it costs because his rich parents pay for it. This college kid might tell you that the best car in the world is something from Jaguar or Lamborghini because of how slick, sporty, fast, and expensive it is. He might be right, for someone who wants a slick, sporty, fast, and expensive ride, the Lamborghini Diablo may be the best car in the world.

There is no automobile that could honestly be considered the undisputed best automobile in the world. There is no Operating System that can be considered the absolute best either.

If you are an average user who knows enough about computers to write Word documents, work on Excel spreadsheets, make a few presentations on Power Point, browse the web (which you consider the entire internet), and play games, then I recommend Micro$oft Windows XP for you. Sure, you could honestly argue that Mac is better for those who dont know much because it is so easy to use. But try to explain to the business executive why his new computer, which you recommended he buy, will not run any of the software he buys in stores.

These silly OS wars are just plain stupid. Whats the best OS? well, that depends, if you are working on the graphics and animation for the next multi-million dollar Disney blockbuster, the best OS is Irix (running on a SGI workstation). If you are into music and wanting to start a home studio, Mac is a great option. If you have kids and you want them to be able to play games on the computer, you better get a Windows PC. If you are running a dedicated server of some type then its time to start thinking about Linux, BSD, and other options.

Which do you prefer?
Which do you use?

I'm leaning Mac/Linux
*nix
With a prefference twards freeBSD and slackware (typing this on a fedora core 3 but just got that up yesterday so dont have a deep opinion ... seems to be working great as a workstation ... updates took awhile but no real errors)

But I have my new machine with MS because it is used for gaming often ... but thats really the only reason

Windows,even with it's hated problems what i don't have.
Could use Mac,'cos it has awesome games by Bungie like marathon. :)

At home I use Windows and Linux. When I want to play a game, I boot into Windows. When I want to do anything else, I use Debian (Linux). At work I sit in front of a Windows machine from which I ssh to various systems (Solaris, Linux, or whatever) as needed.

Flame wars regarding which is better or worse are among the dumbest yet most prevalent debates among geeks. Its like asking what is the best automobile in the world? There is no answer for that. The answer depends on what you are going to use it for.

Using the car example, just think about the difference between the answers you would recieve to that question from an avid outdoorsman and a college kid. The outdoorsman might tell you that the best car in the world is a half-ton pickup truck made by Ford or Nissan. He feels this way because he often finds himself carrying trophies (dead animals), backpacks, tents, tackleboxes, and other gear through rough and mountainous terrain. This man might be correct in what he said, the Ford F-150 might be the best automobile in the world (for his needs).

The college student, on the other hand, isnt so outdoorsy. His automobile doesnt need to haul heavy loads anywhere. He doesnt take it through hazardous terrain, and he could care less how much the insurance on it costs because his rich parents pay for it. This college kid might tell you that the best car in the world is something from Jaguar or Lamborghini because of how slick, sporty, fast, and expensive it is. He might be right, for someone who wants a slick, sporty, fast, and expensive ride, the Lamborghini Diablo may be the best car in the world.

There is no automobile that could honestly be considered the undisputed best automobile in the world. There is no Operating System that can be considered the absolute best either.

If you are an average user who knows enough about computers to write Word documents, work on Excel spreadsheets, make a few presentations on Power Point, browse the web (which you consider the entire internet), and play games, then I recommend Micro$oft Windows XP for you. Sure, you could honestly argue that Mac is better for those who dont know much because it is so easy to use. But try to explain to the business executive why his new computer, which you recommended he buy, will not run any of the software he buys in stores.

These silly OS wars are just plain stupid. Whats the best OS? well, that depends, if you are working on the graphics and animation for the next multi-million dollar Disney blockbuster, the best OS is Irix (running on a SGI workstation). If you are into music and wanting to start a home studio, Mac is a great option. If you have kids and you want them to be able to play games on the computer, you better get a Windows PC. If you are running a dedicated server of some type then its time to start thinking about Linux, BSD, and other options.

Exactly ... none are overwhelmingly superior ... it is all what you plan to do with it
Even in the *nix realm each type has their quirks that make them different for different purposes

I love BSD as a server machine ... updates and program installs with freeBSD is a dream ... fast clean and light

But I always seem to have problems with the gui implementations ... (so it is kept text)
Slackware I love for a mix of networking tools and easy gui implementation ... solid and reliable but with more overhead then BSD

fedora so far has (and it is new) made a great and easy desktop/workstation for a machine that has power to spare for the application and want it to work fairly smoothly at the price of some performance

Debian is a solid core used a lot in networking (specifically in router application)

Gentoo is a "do it yourself" type of OS... its hard getting it going with all the kernel config off the start and the compilation ... but if you know what you are doing you can get AWSOME performance out of it with some great security

.... so on and so forth (throes are most of the major distros I have worked with)

As Three Dead Trolls In A Baggie put it ´:

You see, I come from a time in the nineteen-hundred-and-seventies when computers were used for two things - to either go to the moon, or play Pong... nothing in between. Y'see, you didn't need a fancy operating system to play Pong, and the men who went to the moon--God Bless 'em--did it with no mouse, and a plain text-only black-and-white screen, and 32 kilobytes of RAM.

But then 'round 'bout the late 70's, home computers started to do a little more than play Pong... very little more. Like computers started to play games, and balance checkbooks, and why you could play Zaxxon on your Apple II, or... write a book! All with a computer that had 32 kilobytes of RAM! It was good enough to go to the moon, it was good enough for you.

It was a golden time. A time before Windows, a time before mouses, a time before the internet and bloatware, and a time... before every OS sucked.

*sigh*

Well, way back in the olden times,
my computer worked for me.
I'd laugh and play, all night and day,
on Zork I, II and III.

The Amiga, VIC-20 and the Sinclair II,
The TRS 80 and the Apple II,
they did what they were supposed to do,
wasn't much... but it was enough.

But then Xerox made a prototype,
Steve Jobs came on the scene,
read "Of Mice and Menus," Windows, Icons
a trash, and a bitmap screen.

Well Stevie said to Xerox,
"Boys, turn your heads and cough."
And when no-one was looking,
he ripped their interfaces off.

Stole every feature that he had seen,
put it in a cute box with a tiny little screen,
Mac OS 1 ran that machine,
only cost five thousand bucks.

But it was slow, it was buggy,
so they wrote it again,
And now they're up to OS 10,
they'll charge you for the Beta, then charge you again,
but the Mac OS still sucks.

Every OS wastes your time,
from the desktop to the lap,
Everything since Apple Dos,
Just a bunch of crap.

From Microsoft, to Macintosh,
to Lih-- lie-- lih-- lie... nux,
Every computer crashes,
'cause every OS sucks.

Well then Microsoft jumped in the game,
copied Apple's interface, with an OS named,
"Windows 3.1" - it was twice as lame,
but the stock price rose and rose.

Then Windows 95, then 98,
man solitaire never ran so great,
and every single version came out late,
but I guess that's the way it goes.

But that bloatware'll crash and delete your work,
NT, ME, man, none of 'em work.
Bill Gates may be richer than Captain Kirk,
but the Windows OS blows!
And sucks!
At the same time!

I'd trade it in, yeah right... for what?
It's top of the line from the Compuhut.
The fridge, stove and toaster, never crash on me,
I should be able to get online, without a PHD.

My phone doesn't take a week to boot it,
my TV doesn't crash when I mute it,
I miss ASCII text, and my floppy drive,
I wish VIC-20 was still alive...

But it ain't the hardware, man.

It's just that every OS sucks... and blows.

Now there's lih-nux or lie-nux,
I don't know how you say it,
or how you install it, or use it, or play it,
or where you download it, or what programs run,
but lih-nux, or lie-nux, don't look like much fun.

However you say it, it's getting great press,
though how it survives is anyone's guess,
If you ask me, it's a great big mess,
for elitist, nerdy shmucks.

"It's free!" they say, if you can get it to run,
the Geeks say, "Hey, that's half the fun!"
Yeah, but I got a girlfriend, and things to get done,
the Linux OS SUCKS.
(I'm sorry to say it, but it does.)

Every OS wastes your time,
from the desktop to the lap,
Everything since the abacus,
Just a bunch of crap.

From Microsoft, to Macintosh,
to lih-lie-lih-lie... nux.
Every computer crashes,
'cause every OS sucks.

Every computer crashes... 'cause every OS sucks!

btw, does Linux make use of the new 64 bit processors? i know that macs and PC's arent 64-bit OS

Sure - you can compile the kernel for a 64 bit processor. Several distributions even have precompiled ones if you think making your own customized kernel is scary (it's not) ;) Doesn't mean all applications make optimal use of it though.

Now Linux on pc, soon Linux on Mac

Agree with lazyhippies. Use the one which match the criteria you have. That's why I use macs with sound and graphic programs, Windows for "officethings" =word, excel, power point etc and Linux at home for several reasons (the biggest one being the fact that it's not my computer in the first place. I have my own technical architect.)

Now Linux on pc, soon Linux on Mac

Mac OS X = *nix flavour already ;)

Mac OS X = *nix flavour already ;)
I know. There will be an extra portion of linux. :)

Im working in dtp and pre-print graphics, so i use a Mac. Top-line model, 2.4 GHz dual processor and damn fast. For what i need (huge Photoshop data, Quark and Indesign documents going into hundreds of pages) there is no better machine available, as benchmarks show. Using it for gaming is possible (played UT2004 with all settings max, doesnt even get worked up) and most top-titles are available to Mac, but usually three to twelve month later and with 30-50% more expensive.
I have a pc as well, but its nothing else than a gaming console and i would never consider doing any work with it.

Overall, I prefer win2k. There is some stuff in there that just works beautifully.

I do principally use Linux right now. I'll probably be switching to FreeBSD soon, if something's going to be a pain in the ass, it may as well be worth it. For easy to use Linux, I've been setting friends up with Mandriva, they seem to like that. For windowing enviroments KDE over Gnome. Love Konq. If I got the best features of Win2k together with the best features of KDE and an atomic filesystem with ACLs I might just cream my pants.

But for budget performance where enough is good, some of the user friendly linux distros are hard to beat.

Could use Mac,'cos it has awesome games by Bungie like marathon. :)

w00t! Marathon is possibly the greatest game ever made. And very few people have heard of it...

I use a Mac. A few times I've considered getting a PC for a few games I fancied. Then I actually use the bleedin' thing and realise that it is awful. Utterly awful.

Anyway, my Mac has all the games I fancy; I'm used to waiting for them and besides, porting is becoming faster nowadays. Also, it gives us time to get the better versions of games (so that the bugs from the original code are fixed) or the expansion packs.

I'd really prefer to use Linux but I don't simply because it seems nothing is built for it...at least last time I dabbled with it. My first attempt at it was Debian...*yikes*. Lately I've thought of trying it again because XP is a steaming pile of shite but... I wanna run Win stuff still but I'm not sure I can tolerate the headaches of having to emulate windows on an OS I haven't used in years. :/

I'd really prefer to use Linux but I don't simply because it seems nothing is built for it...at least last time I dabbled with it. My first attempt at it was Debian...*yikes*. Lately I've thought of trying it again because XP is a steaming pile of shite but... I wanna run Win stuff still but I'm not sure I can tolerate the headaches of having to emulate windows on an OS I haven't used in years. :/

Debian is a good distribution, but not if you are a beginner. Try Mandriva (or Knoppix, which is based on Debian and does not even need to be installed) instead.
http://www1.mandrivalinux.com/en/ftp.php3
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html

The only thing truly lacking under linux are games. Openoffice is a pretty good alternative for microsoft office (even when working under windows). You probably know of firefox for browsing, and there are plenty of alternatives. There are programs for almost every IM protocol. Evolution is equivalent to outlook. The number of programming tools is naturally huge.

Linux all the way baby!

Well, I would use Linux primarily but I can't get the internet working on it and none of my games will run either :(

i use windows but frankly i hate it, its glitchy as any thing, i tryed downloading SP2 not so long ago 16 of 16 patches failed to install! grrrr media player has stopped working so parts of the internet are useless to me (most funny videos!) grrr

suspose the only upside is that microsoft have learned they cant programme to save their lives and are contracting out some things, like that new anti spy-ware thing

Sure - you can compile the kernel for a 64 bit processor. Several distributions even have precompiled ones if you think making your own customized kernel is scary (it's not) ;) Doesn't mean all applications make optimal use of it though.
I am running dual opterons now (they are 64 bit) BSD has a precompiled kernel that makes them absolutely sing :)

I use windows because I need it to run my software (e.g. games!) and hardware. Apart from these problems, Linux is better when properly set up.

Now Linux on pc, soon Linux on Mac

Agree with lazyhippies. Use the one which match the criteria you have. That's why I use macs with sound and graphic programs, Windows for "officethings" =word, excel, power point etc and Linux at home for several reasons (the biggest one being the fact that it's not my computer in the first place. I have my own technical architect.)
I recomend netBSD ... just got it running on a p4 here at work (may need a firmware update to boot the cd ... but all the distros I looked at did)
OpenBSD also had a mac power pc distro but have not tried

I'm mostly a Windows type. It's what I'm most familiar with.

I have nothing against LINUX or any flavor of UNIX.

Which do you prefer?
Which do you use?

I'm leaning Mac/Linux

Well, since I work in computers, I use all of them (MacOS 9/X, Linux, Windows 2k/XP/2003).

I preffer, presently Windows 2k and Linux.

Well, since I work in computers, I use all of them (MacOS 9/X, Linux, Windows 2k/XP/2003).

I preffer, presently Windows 2k and Linux.
What distro is your fav?

Currently using an old Windows 98 PC.
I have a Windows XP laptop and use Windows 2000 Pro PC at work (which runs VMWare to emulate an Windows 2000 Server).

I have copies of Redhat Linux 6.2, but it's rather useless to me.
Oh yes, anyone need a copy of System 7.1 (Mac, 680x0).

Ok did a reprisal of all my machines
2 FreeBSD 5.3 stable
1 Slackware 10.1
1 netBSD
1 Fedora Core 3

1 freeBSD/windows XP 64 dual boot

Edit (work machines)
1 NetBSD
2 Win XP
1 FreeBSD

Ok did a reprisal of all my machines
2 FreeBSD 5.3 stable
1 Slackware 10.1
1 netBSD
1 Fedora Core 3

1 freeBSD/windows XP 64 dual boot

Edit (work machines)
1 NetBSD
2 Win XP
1 FreeBSD

That the beta of Windows XP 64-bit you running? Any different to current one?

That the beta of Windows XP 64-bit you running? Any different to current one?
Stable trial version right now … wanted to try it on my dual opteron’s

Does good , do notice a difference in programs that use a lot of Floating point math

It runs fairly well though I have had issues with windows media player having issues … hopefully they get that fixed lol

Stable trial version right now … wanted to try it on my dual opteron’s

Does good , do notice a difference in programs that use a lot of Floating point math

It runs fairly well though I have had issues with windows media player having issues … hopefully they get that fixed lol

My work PC uses an AMD 64-bit processor. Wouldn't mind running XP 64-bit on it :)

My work PC uses an AMD 64-bit processor. Wouldn't mind running XP 64-bit on it :)
It makes my opterons fly :) if they get the media player worked out it will be a nice addition

(though running FreeBSD 5.3 on it in text mode made it go even faster) SETI at home packet in text mode (1 instance per processor) was cranking them out every 15 minuets :)

What distro is your fav?

Mandrake/Mandriva.

Mandrake/Mandriva.
They were bought out by novel weren’t they?

Linux is pretty good but it is too much of a hasle.

MAC OSX TIGER KICKS O.S. BUTT

Linux is pretty good but it is too much of a hasle.

MAC OSX TIGER KICKS O.S. BUTT
Pssst MAC OSX tiger IS A variant of Unix

In this day and age you learn all major OSes.

We don't use Apple so the need isn't there.

Apple is kind of screwed in this industry (EDA), as the vendors will not write software until the customers want it. But the customers won't want it until they see the vendors offer it......

I sadly use Win XP :(

But I'd prefer to use Linux (which I may get soon :) )

In this day and age you learn all major OSes.

We don't use Apple so the need isn't there.

Apple is kind of screwed in this industry (EDA), as the vendors will not write software until the customers want it. But the customers won't want it until they see the vendors offer it......
Yup … and keeping their hardware proprietary screwed them over … IBM’s decision to make their standards open even though it has not so great of consequences for them absolutely changed the computer field

Linux experts! What's the most laptop friendly version of Linux?

Linux experts! What's the most laptop friendly version of Linux?

It depends strongly on the laptop. However, Suse and Mandrake/mandriva versions above 10 probably are easiest and work reasonably well on most. Fedora and debian require more work, but can also work well.

See also http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/

It depends strongly on the laptop. However, Suse and Mandrake/mandriva versions above 10 probably are easiest and work reasonably well on most. Fedora and debian require more work, but can also work well.

See also http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/

It's a Compaq Evo (forgot model number).

Microsoft and Windows XP. No need for anything else

It depends...

Gaming: WINDOWS WINDOWS WINDOWS! All other computers suck at gaming. In fact, the only reason I haven't tossed my Windows for Linux is because I am a gamer. WINE for Linux=crapz0rz. Mac's=Plays bad games('cept for a few good ones, likez0rz WoW).

Security: Tie between Mac and Linux. They both have very few viruses(if any), have awesome firewalls, and are safe. Windows=about as safe as hiding in a box that says "Infect me!" in a room full of zombies. At least Firefox protects me...

Cost: Linux. Why? Because the majority of the distros are free money wise(although downloading a few hundred megabytes- a few gigs and then burning them costs ALOT of time...).

Best as a piece of furniture: Macs. I mean, come on. They are sooooo good looking. All smooth and shiney and pretty looking...

Pity their OS sucks, their GUI sucks, and their mouses are impossible to use, and you can't install it on a PC...

Working(as in Text documents, internet, etc): Linux. Open office is good, it's internet is good, it's SAFE(that's why it's better than Windows. If windows didn't have GAPING security holes, then it would the Working one), and it's a pretty good work environment.

Media and Graphics: Mac's, hand's down. They have a bazillion programs for movies, pictures, photos, music, and more! And most of their media programs are pretty good. Windows=meh. Linux=Meh.

Compatability: I have to say Windows. Windows can use the most programs and is compatible with alot of hardware. Linux is compatible with more hardware, but it can't run as many programs, and Mac's are the least compatible with ANYTHING.

Gaming: WINDOWS WINDOWS WINDOWS! All other computers suck at gaming. In fact, the only reason I haven't tossed my Windows for Linux is because I am a gamer. WINE for Linux=crapz0rz. Mac's=Plays bad games('cept for a few good ones, likez0rz WoW).


Agreed. Companies are releasing games for Mac last most of the time too. :)


Security: Tie between Mac and Linux. They both have very few viruses(if any), have awesome firewalls, and are safe. Windows=about as safe as hiding in a box that says "Infect me!" in a room full of zombies. At least Firefox protects me...


In defense of Windows, it gets targetted more often.


Cost: Linux. Why? Because the majority of the distros are free money wise(although downloading a few hundred megabytes- a few gigs and then burning them costs ALOT of time...).


You can buy the CDs from the company too.


Best as a piece of furniture: Macs. I mean, come on. They are sooooo good looking. All smooth and shiney and pretty looking...

Pity their OS sucks, their GUI sucks, and their mouses are impossible to use, and you can't install it on a PC...


iMac aquariums looked cool!


Working(as in Text documents, internet, etc): Linux. Open office is good, it's internet is good, it's SAFE(that's why it's better than Windows. If windows didn't have GAPING security holes, then it would the Working one), and it's a pretty good work environment.


The only issue with Linux is which interface to use. KDE, Gnome, etc?


Media and Graphics: Mac's, hand's down. They have a bazillion programs for movies, pictures, photos, music, and more! And most of their media programs are pretty good. Windows=meh. Linux=Meh.


A multi-processor Windows XP box will do the same job for cheaper.


Compatability: I have to say Windows. Windows can use the most programs and is compatible with alot of hardware. Linux is compatible with more hardware, but it can't run as many programs, and Mac's are the least compatible with ANYTHING.

:D

Microsoft and Windows XP. No need for anything else
Then you obvously dont fool around with server side stuff nor things like SAN's And more :) there is plenty of "need" for anything else :)

Linux experts! What's the most laptop friendly version of Linux?
Slackware is my recomendation ... have had great luck and its wireless networking is flawless

OK, now that I'm not busy ( lotta finals, I hate school )

I know most of the major operating systems, Linux,Windows, BSD ect.

Between all of them, I love Apple OSX Tiger the most. On my 2gzh iMac it's uber quick and never crashes. And I do play games on it, alot. Not all the games are out for mac. But most of the major ones are. And if your not a fan of the 1 button mouse. Just get any old USB mouse and plug it in. Imo, the GUI is wonderful and easy to use. And it's fast as hell. This is why I love Apple OSX, by far the best OS, imo.

I like windows for gaming though, it's not the best OS by a long shot, but it does get the job done. And in its own defense, hackers just target it the most, that doesnt mean that they didnt put work into making it secure, it's just assholes who want to fuck up peoples computers that make any OS not secure. Overall, I think windows is just fine for the average joe.

About linux, I like it. But no way in hell I would use it to get work done. I just dont trust it at all. But I do like Mandrake 10, possibly the best distro you can get. and anyone looking to try out linux should stop by www.linspire.com .

Thats just my 2 cents, I perfer macs by far.

OK, now that I'm not busy ( lotta finals, I hate school )

I know most of the major operating systems, Linux,Windows, BSD ect.

Between all of them, I love Apple OSX Tiger the most. On my 2gzh iMac it's uber quick and never crashes. And I do play games on it, alot. Not all the games are out for mac. But most of the major ones are. And if your not a fan of the 1 button mouse. Just get any old USB mouse and plug it in. Imo, the GUI is wonderful and easy to use. And it's fast as hell. This is why I love Apple OSX, by far the best OS, imo.

I like windows for gaming though, it's not the best OS by a long shot, but it does get the job done. And in its own defense, hackers just target it the most, that doesnt mean that they didnt put work into making it secure, it's just assholes who want to fuck up peoples computers that make any OS not secure. Overall, I think windows is just fine for the average joe.

About linux, I like it. But no way in hell I would use it to get work done. I just dont trust it at all. But I do like Mandrake 10, possibly the best distro you can get. and anyone looking to try out linux should stop by www.linspire.com .

Thats just my 2 cents, I perfer macs by far.

PSST OSX tiger IS a unix derivative (free BSD to be exact) you essentially ARE using a version of Linux with a fancy gui (which you later on say you don’t trust it to get work done)

:p

BTW here is what the webpage looks like :) In LINKS (text based browser)

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/general.jpg
http://geek.upwardthrust.us/thread.jpg

Linux for compuing, Windows for games. Dual boot to win.


(2 HD's)

Linux for compuing, Windows for games. Dual boot to win.
Or like me and have two machines :) (well 6 now but you get the idea)

Or like me and have two machines :) (well 6 now but you get the idea)
If only I had the bank account to do such a thing :(

I use all three. I have Linux on an older PC for basic web surfing, word processing and the like. Windows XP is my main operating system, which I use both at home and at work for various things from heavy gaming to general usage. And I use a Mac at work for only a couple of things. Graphics editing is one, but mostly it's just used as a glorified filing cabinet.

Of the three I find Mac to have the least rewarding interface, but it's easiest to use. Windows sits in the middle, a so-called 'jack of all trades'. Linux is the most rewarding interface to use, depending on your distribution it can feel very clean, fresh and professional. It's a lot more flexible than the other two as well, and you can do pretty much anything you set your mind to with it. Unfortunately it's often too much hard work with too little reward. Maybe the geeks of the world enjoy spending hours writing code just to get a modem working or somesuch, but the rest of us don't. If Linux is to become a dominant operating system, it has some serious problems which need to be addressed.

If only I had the bank account to do such a thing :(

Just do what I did. Next time you build a new computer, just use your old one for your secondary operating system. I have a powerful new computer with Windows XP for gaming and other demanding software, and my previous PC now has Linux on it.

PSST OSX tiger IS a unix derivative (free BSD to be exact) you essentially ARE using a version of Linux with a fancy gui (which you later on say you don’t trust it to get work done)

:p
You are aware there is more than one kind of Unix, I know it's a varient of BSD, But that doesnt mean they didn't change it ( look at the code, they changed it alot ). And as far as my knowladge goes, Linux is just a shitty unix emulator.,

Some of you may be slightly interested by this (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html).

You are aware there is more than one kind of Unix, I know it's a varient of BSD, But that doesnt mean they didn't change it ( look at the code, they changed it alot ). And as far as my knowladge goes, Linux is just a shitty unix emulator.,
There are a little over 4 k variants of Unix … and no they did not change it much … the Darwin core is almost identical to the 4.10 core from FreeBSD
:) it does have a fancy gui and some new apps but the back end is almost all strait up FreeBSD (with some netBSD influence) (and yes I have looked at the specs for the Darwin core … what they will release of it anyways)

And Linux is no emulator (I know you were trying to say “knockoff” but an emulator is a completely different type of program … the Linux it does not “mimic” a UNIX environment, what it does is low level hardware/software interaction)

Some of you may be slightly interested by this (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html).
Wow they switched to IBM and now Intel … intresting

If only I had the bank account to do such a thing :(
Well I got a new comp (dual opterons) but the others besides my old 1.6 p4 are just donated machines ranging from 900 mhz to 333 :)

Wow they switched to IBM and now Intel … intresting

Well, the PPC was a joint Motorola/IBM thing anyway, wasn't it?

I think they're pissed that:

IBM said they'd have 3 GHz processors within a year
IBM are selling G5 chips to MicroSoft for the new XBox and yet can't supply sufficient chips to Apple for their machines.

Who knows. This is an interesting development, certainly...

Well, the PPC was a joint Motorola/IBM thing anyway, wasn't it?

I think they're pissed that:

IBM said they'd have 3 GHz processors within a year
IBM are selling G5 chips to MicroSoft for the new XBox and yet can't supply sufficient chips to Apple for their machines.

Who knows. This is an interesting development, certainly...
That it will (and I dont remember the PPC stats well enough)
On a side note I just got netBSD to run on a g4 :)

On a side note I just got netBSD to run on a g4 :)

Good for you!

I have absolutely no idea what netBSD is.

:)

Good for you!

I have absolutely no idea what netBSD is.

:)
A version of BSD (unix variant) that runs on practically ANYTHING

(I am serious they have a version designed to run on a dreamcast lol)

mac!

mac!

mac!

I want to fuse the three and create Linmacrosoftintoshux.

mac!

mac!

mac!
All that cheering for it still wont get it to run right :) I think throwing it out would be the more appropriate method (sorry j/k lol)

I want to fuse the three and create Linmacrosoftintoshux.
You figure out Microsoft’s NT based kernel layering and somehow don’t get busted for reverse engineering then you could :)

I have a iMac G5, and FedEx is supposed to be shipping me Tiger right now. Macs are awesome!

I have a iMac G5, and FedEx is supposed to be shipping me Tiger right now. Macs are awesome!
I just went to a dual opteron system :) it was cheaper lol

Hmmmm now Macs are going to run Intel processors.

I wonder how much the Kernal will have to be rewritten?

Hmmmm now Macs are going to run Intel processors.

I wonder how much the Kernal will have to be rewritten?
they can essentialy steal most of the code for the processor right from the new 5.4 kernal (freebsd)