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Washington Outlook
Edited by Lee Walczak

Howard Dean's Raised Voice Isn't Raising Cash

"One hundred days into his tenure as the high-energy, higher-decibel chairman of the Democratic Party, Howard Dean is in trouble with party moneybags. The former Vermont governor seems to be doing a better job flaying the Republicans than bridging the cash chasm between the parties. Given Dean's 2004 run as a populist crusader, moderates were never wild about his takeover of the Democratic National Committee. So some big donors are sitting on their wallets."

I hate to say I Told You So, but......

Guess they forgot to check the actual reports from the FEC before filing this story. According to them, Dean has raised more money (http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00010603) in the first quarter of a non-election year than any previous DNC chairman. Parker over at the weblog MyDD (http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/6/2/85226/67718) has more, in case you'd like to take a look at real figures.

I wonder why repubs focus on Dean so much ???

I wonder why repubs focus on Dean so much ???

Maybe he frightens them...?

Maybe he frightens them...?

Because we don't like him, and he's an embarrassment to the political system. The democrats should be ashamed. I think someone like Harry Reid would've been a much wiser choice. The democrat's image is going down the tubes with mainstream America. Dean isn't helping.

Because we don't like him...I know that...
he is so much the focus of your stupid attacks...
It amuses me.

I know that...
he is so much the focus of your stupid attacks...
It amuses me.

I wouldn't attack him personally, I'd just attack his beliefs. He's a joke.

I wouldn't attack him personally, I'd just attack his beliefs. He's a joke.

Feel free to elaborate on the funny bits of his beliefs.

Because we don't like him, and he's an embarrassment to the political system. The democrats should be ashamed. I think someone like Harry Reid would've been a much wiser choice. The democrat's image is going down the tubes with mainstream America. Dean isn't helping.
Right--like you guys give a rats ass what we think of your leadership. If you cared, Tom DeLay would still be an exterminator, and George W. Bush would still be a fake rancher.

The attack machine is really something isn't it? Its absolutely amazing. No matter who it is, be it Deep throat or Screamin' Dean, they can throw shit on anyone and get away with it. No fact-checking, no reality, purely ficticious mud-slinging just to discredit the very NOTION of opposition to their ideals.

Dean's raised voice has raised more cash then every before, so why not lie and say that it hasn't? Go for it! Those who check on the facts don't matter, its only the people who don't check and simply believe what they're told who do, their opinions are swayed by the mass of attacks laid against any and all.

Its not even a matter of directly believing a single comment or not, just throw enough mud and the impression of the opposition is so dirtied that they are effectively destroyed. Look at the free press, utterly without credibility, yet how many effective journalists are still in the world?

Every person who has ever come out against the attack machine has failed, I have reason to beleive that when the attack machine DOES eventually fail, no single person will be able to claim credit for the deed. Its simply too huge for one person. It will take time, and thousands will be sacraficed to its muddied gears.

There is no person on this planet, alive or dead, that could raise their voice in opposition to those currently in power and not end up hated, abused, discredited in the eyes of these people. There's no point in even trying to find someone who they both disagree with and will not trash in a moments notice.

Deep throat has a special place here, study the time period that made this man so famous, you'll find that the Nixon White House utterly destroyed the few who came out against THEM so many years ago. Its the same today, nobody will succeed in a direct attack.

-snip-

*hands you a huge cookie*

Yeah. 'Tis a sad thought that they can get away with this bullshit.

*hands you a huge cookie*

Yeah. 'Tis a sad thought that they can get away with this bullshit.
Problem is that they actually get away with it, and there's little recourse, because the mainstream media is so far up the Republican bunghole that they won't even begin to challenge this story.

I <3 dean and laff in your face but I applaud your ignorance (That kind of ignorance takes a lot of work)

Problem is that they actually get away with it, and there's little recourse, because the mainstream media is so far up the Republican bunghole that they won't even begin to challenge this story.

That's my problem with the whole thing. You should hear the radio stations in the Houston area... My god.

That's my problem with the whole thing. You should hear the radio stations in the Houston area... My god.
Need to get you an Air America station--they're in Dallas and San Antonio now, after all.

Need to get you an Air America station--they're in Dallas and San Antonio now, after all.

Isn't that the station with Ed Shultz?

There *are* Leftist stations in my area, but they are far-outnumbered by Rightist stations... Which is funny, because about 60% of the population in this area is considered Leftist.

The attack machine is really something isn't it? Its absolutely amazing. No matter who it is, be it Deep throat or Screamin' Dean, they can throw shit on anyone and get away with it. No fact-checking, no reality, purely ficticious mud-slinging just to discredit the very NOTION of opposition to their ideals.

Dean's raised voice has raised more cash then every before, so why not lie and say that it hasn't? Go for it! Those who check on the facts don't matter, its only the people who don't check and simply believe what they're told who do, their opinions are swayed by the mass of attacks laid against any and all.

Its not even a matter of directly believing a single comment or not, just throw enough mud and the impression of the opposition is so dirtied that they are effectively destroyed. Look at the free press, utterly without credibility, yet how many effective journalists are still in the world?

Every person who has ever come out against the attack machine has failed, I have reason to beleive that when the attack machine DOES eventually fail, no single person will be able to claim credit for the deed. Its simply too huge for one person. It will take time, and thousands will be sacraficed to its muddied gears.

There is no person on this planet, alive or dead, that could raise their voice in opposition to those currently in power and not end up hated, abused, discredited in the eyes of these people. There's no point in even trying to find someone who they both disagree with and will not trash in a moments notice.

Deep throat has a special place here, study the time period that made this man so famous, you'll find that the Nixon White House utterly destroyed the few who came out against THEM so many years ago. Its the same today, nobody will succeed in a direct attack.

What's funny is that BOTH SIDES do it to one another. No wonder I stopped watching TV News for now. I'm sick and tired of hearing being spouted from the Left and from the right.

Need to get you an Air America station--they're in Dallas and San Antonio now, after all.

**sigh** Sorry to interrupt you, but trading one partisan hack for another isn't going to help much. Air America is a wonderful attempt on the part of a few to create a Democratic Party attack machine. I'm not impressed with what I've heard of their content.

Is is possible to remember a time where news was news and partisan douchebaggery didn't enter into it?

**sigh** Sorry to interrupt you, but trading one partisan hack for another isn't going to help much. Air America is a wonderful attempt on the part of a few to create a Democratic Party attack machine. I'm not impressed with what I've heard of their content.

Is is possible to remember a time where news was news and partisan douchebaggery didn't enter into it?

Gah. Yeah, that's just what I wanna listen to --- ANOTHER attack station.

Ugh.

**sigh** Sorry to interrupt you, but trading one partisan hack for another isn't going to help much. Air America is a wonderful attempt on the part of a few to create a Democratic Party attack machine. I'm not impressed with what I've heard of their content.

Is is possible to remember a time where news was news and partisan douchebaggery didn't enter into it?
NPR. National Public Radio.


No, it isn't liberal.

NPR. National Public Radio.

No, it isn't liberal.

Yeah I know. I listen to it quite often. If you ever read the Daily Show's book "America" you'd realize that I AM one of those Seattlites who is insufferable. ;)

Yeah I know. I listen to it quite often. If you ever read the Daily Show's book "America" you'd realize that I AM one of those Seattlites who is insufferable. ;)

*coughcough*Jon Stewart's book*coughcough*

*coughcough*Jon Stewart's book*coughcough*

Hmm? Doesn't it say right on the cover "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart Persents"

So it IS the Daily Show's book...It just also happens to be Jon Stewart's as well.

**sigh** Sorry to interrupt you, but trading one partisan hack for another isn't going to help much. Air America is a wonderful attempt on the part of a few to create a Democratic Party attack machine. I'm not impressed with what I've heard of their content.

Is is possible to remember a time where news was news and partisan douchebaggery didn't enter into it?I'd rather that there wasn't a necessity to fight fire with fire, but the fact is that the left ceded the field to the right long ago, and it finally caught up with us over the last ten years. We can't compete simply by having better ideas anymore, especially since the media is completely arrayed against us, even the so-called mainstream media.

They set the rules--they got rid of the fairness doctrine during Reagan and beat back numerous attempts to reinstate it, so this is what we're left with. we have to beat them at their own game, and Air America is the first step in that direction. I can understand if you find it distasteful--there are many honest conservatives who feel the same way about Limbaugh and his many, many clones--but that doesn't negate the necessity of fighting back. We can no longer cede that ground to them.

Hmm? Doesn't it say right on the cover "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart Persents"

So it IS the Daily Show's book...It just also happens to be Jon Stewart's as well.

I guess so. But, he is the one who wrote it.

Need to get you an Air America station--they're in Dallas and San Antonio now, after all.

Who needs radio? I'm listening to Mike Malloy (http://www.airamericaradio.com/) as we speak. Unfortunatly the NYC station is AM, and while it can broadcast really long distances, so can other AM stations. The 1190 AM somewhere else around here carries conservative talk radio.

When I first started listening to Air America I was listening to Janeanne Garofalo's diatribe about how it doesn't make sense for right wingers to be so anti-environment, because even they have to live here. Then her voice faded out and someone named (I think) Mike Miller faded in and said "well if a bunch of dirty environmentalists show up on your door, tell 'em to all get jobs, and stop smoking dope."

It's pretty funny to wait and see if you can set up an accidental debate, but I much rather stick to streaming audio. Especially since on the radio Mike Malloy gets replaced with someone really boring who I've never been able to listen to long enough to find out who he is after 12:00.

Isn't that the station with Ed Shultz?

There *are* Leftist stations in my area, but they are far-outnumbered by Rightist stations... Which is funny, because about 60% of the population in this area is considered Leftist.

the right took over conventional radio long ago. i blame the large media monolopies. the left tends to use internet radio because it does'nt cost nearly as much to run & does'nt require liscensing.

you might want to check out joe's show: http://cupjoe.com/

Who needs radio? I'm listening to Mike Malloy (http://www.airamericaradio.com/) as we speak. Unfortunatly the NYC station is AM, and while it can broadcast really long distances, so can other AM stations. The 1190 AM somewhere else around here carries conservative talk radio.

When I first started listening to Air America I was listening to Janeanne Garofalo's diatribe about how it doesn't make sense for right wingers to be so anti-environment, because even they have to live here. Then her voice faded out and someone named (I think) Mike Miller faded in and said "well if a bunch of dirty environmentalists show up on your door, tell 'em to all get jobs, and stop smoking dope."

It's pretty funny to wait and see if you can set up an accidental debate, but I much rather stick to streaming audio. Especially since on the radio Mike Malloy gets replaced with someone really boring who I've never been able to listen to long enough to find out who he is after 12:00.
I tend to listen to streaming audio as well, since AM reception in the Bay Area is for shit thanks to all the hills, but it's a little tough to get streaming audio in the car, which is where most people listen to the radio these days. Of course, you do have all those people at work streaming through their desktops, so perhaps it evens out.

Need to get you an Air America station--they're in Dallas and San Antonio now, after all.
The have a station down here, KCCT. I forced myself to listen for one whole day, just to check it out. I actually fell asleep in the middle of Al Franken's show.

No wonder their ratings are in the shitter.

The have a station down here, KCCT. I forced myself to listen for one whole day, just to check it out. I actually fell asleep in the middle of Al Franken's show.

No wonder their ratings are in the shitter.

Franken's ratings in the Chicagoland area are sky-high, and are pretty high in most other urban areas. What the hell are you talking about?

He is extremely boring, though.

The have a station down here, KCCT. I forced myself to listen for one whole day, just to check it out. I actually fell asleep in the middle of Al Franken's show.

No wonder their ratings are in the shitter.
You just keep telling yourself that, and maybe one day you'll believe that tehir ratings are in the shitter. That'll happen right about the time you start believing in Santa and the Easter Bunny.

This is another example of The White Noise Generator, which I keep talking about. Though to aim the WNG at Dean seems a little too pre-emptive. Maybe they needed to get out that Dean isn't raising money before anyone got out that he was so the Minimum Plausibility factor (Key to The White Noise Generator) would kick in and everyone would assume it's a truth. That means that later on O'Rielly can fire it off in a diatribe and have it 'not be the issue.'

Take any situation and aim the Generator at it with a piece of information that meets the Minimum Plausibility and repeat it as often as possible. Talking heads on talking head television say it, bloggers say it and form a self-referential circle too large to follow through and realise that they've more or less sighted themselves as the source for the story. People post it in forums. So much noise that we debate weither Dean raised money or not and not his issues, whether or not it was Amnesty International that donated or one of it's members and not the issues that they raise about our handling of human rights, the finer details of how Deep Throat did what he did and not what he exposed.

It's an amazing and fantastic machine. I can only recognize it, I don't know how to smash it. I would hate to think that I'd have to fight noise with noise. Maybe if we taught our kids to actually criticly read media-but then they wouldn't be all about buying Nikes without knowing why, and we can't have that.

I guess so. But, he is the one who wrote it.
Him and the Daily Show writers, making it a Daily Show book, not just Stewart.

Him and the Daily Show writers, making it a Daily Show book, not just Stewart.

Ah, so he's taking more credit for it than he should.

*shakes fist*

Ah, so he's taking more credit for it than he should.

*shakes fist*
I don't know man, everytime I see him talk about it he always stresses that it was the writers, even quiping that they wrote the whole thing and he posed for the picture. He seems to give a great deal of credit to the writers.

I don't know man, everytime I see him talk about it he always stresses that it was the writers, even quiping that they wrote the whole thing and he posed for the picture. He seems to give a great deal of credit to the writers.

Okay, then it's the reviewers who aren't giving credit where credit is due.

Okay, then it's the reviewers who aren't giving credit where credit is due.
Oh, reviewers. Well, those guys are bastards...:D

Oh, reviewers. Well, those guys are bastards...:D

Yeah, I've read reviews (I haven't seen the actual book... Wal-Mart's that way, you know), and they all say it's Jon Stewart's book; that he wrote it. Not one of them has mentioned the Daily Show staff.

Yeah, I've read reviews (I haven't seen the actual book... Wal-Mart's that way, you know), and they all say it's Jon Stewart's book; that he wrote it. Not one of them has mentioned the Daily Show staff.
That kinda crap make you wonder how they got their damn jobs-do they even look in the jacket? I mean christ...reviewers are bastards...

(unless they give me a good review, then they are wonderful, insightful people who should be listened to. Otherwise, bastards...)

That kinda crap make you wonder how they got their damn jobs-do they even look in the jacket? I mean christ...reviewers are bastards...

(unless they give me a good review, then they are wonderful, insightful people who should be listened to. Otherwise, bastards...)

My thoughts exactly.

:D

Bumping this thread for Pepe Dominguez.

Question from a socialist swed. Why should money play a so big roll in politics? Should it not be the members who determine how strong a party should be then it comes to campaigning?

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Washington Outlook
Edited by Lee Walczak

Howard Dean's Raised Voice Isn't Raising Cash

"One hundred days into his tenure as the high-energy, higher-decibel chairman of the Democratic Party, Howard Dean is in trouble with party moneybags. The former Vermont governor seems to be doing a better job flaying the Republicans than bridging the cash chasm between the parties. Given Dean's 2004 run as a populist crusader, moderates were never wild about his takeover of the Democratic National Committee. So some big donors are sitting on their wallets."

I hate to say I Told You So, but......
I hate to say You Are A Big Fat Smelly Liar, but...
http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00010603

If you have any honor at all, you will now appologize to the NS community for being either a tremendous dupe of the conservative attack machine or a knowing accomplice in their lies. I won't hold my breath.

Is is possible to remember a time where news was news and partisan douchebaggery didn't enter into it?
It's because the two parties, and especially their supporters, are more polarised now than they have been since 1912.

It's because the two parties, and especially their supporters, are more polarised now than they have been since 1912.

Sweet, so how do we get out of this horrible shape we're in? Think back to 1912 and figure out what THEY did.

Anyone here from 1912? Eutrusca, I'm looking in your direction ;)

Sweet, so how do we get out of this horrible shape we're in? Think back to 1912 and figure out what THEY did.

Anyone here from 1912? Eutrusca, I'm looking in your direction ;)IMO... its after the Vietnam War...US journalism started to smell bad...rotten...

IMO... its after the Vietnam War...US journalism started to smell bad...rotten...

Oh my God! I agree with OceanDrive on something!

*Dies of a heart attack*

Oh my God! I agree with OceanDrive on something!

*Dies of a heart attack*LOL

*shoots himself* :D :sniper:

LOL

*shoots himself* :D :sniper:

:D

We'll find something to disagree on again OceanDrive. We always do! LOL! :D

Question from a socialist swed. Why should money play a so big roll in politics? Should it not be the members who determine how strong a party should be then it comes to campaigning?
Money pays for advertising and organization, and in national campaigns, there's never enough of either as far as the campaigns are concerned. That's really what it boils down to.