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Do you?
Dont you?
Would you?

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I am.

wtf???

Never have.
Don't plan to.
What's it like?

Never have.
Don't plan to.
What's it like?
relaxing, giggly. I prefer it to getting drunk but i can fuck with your memory for the next couple of days

I used to....

However, erhm, shall we say "legal difficulties" have forced me to stop until at least February.

I probably won't be anywhere near as prolific with my use when I start again either...I find my brain works much better now! ;)

relaxing, giggly. I prefer it to getting drunk but i can fuck with your memory for the next couple of days

Memory? But I need that to remember things. It does sound tempting but no.

Memory? But I need that to remember things. It does sound tempting but no.
Its nice if youve got nothing that involves heavy thinking the next day

I have, yes.

i would like to try it. my mum says i can :D hahaha.

i am only 15, though, and the only place i would be able to get it is from one of my friends, who is in a different country at the mo, i am in south africa, and she is in england. when i am in england, well, we'll see.

once or twice. possibly more, come the holidays.

and this is probably what i would look like if i tried it:

http://img157.echo.cx/img157/5703/meonagooddayspstyle6vm.png

well...how i'd think i'd look like.

Winners don't do drugs.

Used to do it on potholing weekends coz caving with a hangover is no fun at all :)

Winners don't do drugs.

Unless it's the olympics.

I have enough vices already... :D

Nope, not a smoker. Just black coffee and Rompun for me. :)

Winners don't do drugs.
Winners dont parrot slogans either.

I partake on a joint round about every two monthes, just for (sorry, pun coming up) shit and giggles. Maybe once or twice a year i make a joint or hookah for myself.

My Suite Mates at the Uni (in '86) had a massive bong with a "6-shooter" bowl. They used to flood the bathroom with Haze. I found out that THC (even in "second-hand-smoke" quantities) gives me violent migranes.

So, no I don't, but I still have to say "other" because I, in effect, have.

Winners dont parrot slogans either.


Wha'chu talkin' 'bout, Willis? :confused:

Memory? But I need that to remember things. It does sound tempting but no.

i dont know... i'm a regular user (about 5-6 times a week) and my grades are excellent. i have an 87% average, and was accepted into university on an "advanced early admission" list. my memory works fine, too.

4/20?

4/20?

In England you might call that 20/4. It's all very nuanced and clever, believe me.

4/20?

If you have to ask, you haven't done it or aren't doing it.

(It's a euphemism for "dope" or "marijuana", IIRC.)

If I want to fuck up my health, I could do it legally with tobacco - or for a quicker and cheaper method, use a kitchen knife.

If I find I need some serious fun, I'd rather try something safer, like skydiving.

4/20?
420 was a bill introduced into legislature to legalize marijuana. Since then the potheads rejoice when ever they see the numbers. Even though the bill failed.
As for me haven't smoked it, just not a fan of smoking, alcohol works just fine.

420 was a bill introduced into legislature to legalize marijuana. Since then the potheads rejoice when ever they see the numbers. Even though the bill failed.
As for me haven't smoked it, just not a fan of smoking, alcohol works just fine.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks.

Smoking weed's fine, just over-rated as an experience. Maybe I've never had reeeeeeally good shit, though.

If I want to fuck up my health, I could do it legally with tobacco - or for a quicker and cheaper method, use a kitchen knife.

If I find I need some serious fun, I'd rather try something safer, like skydiving.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_issues_and_the_effects_of_cannabis

420 was a bill introduced into legislature to legalize marijuana. Since then the potheads rejoice when ever they see the numbers. Even though the bill failed.
As for me haven't smoked it, just not a fan of smoking, alcohol works just fine.

I heard it was the supposed number of chemicals in marijuana... but then again, I'm old.

I heard it was the supposed number of chemicals in marijuana... but then again, I'm old.
Does nobody else use wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_%28drug_culture%29

If you have to ask, you haven't done it or aren't doing it.

(It's a euphemism for "dope" or "marijuana", IIRC.)Ahhh! Thanks for the clarification. I was just about to lock this for being spam. I'll edit the title, instead.

Carry on.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

So far the majority of you are incorrect.

420's origin IS known.
It is NOT a euphemism for "dope" or "marijuana".
It is NOT the number of some bill that was sent to legislation.

The term '420' originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking teens who called themselves the Waldos, who are now pushing 50. The term was shorthand for the time of day the group would meet, at the campus statue of Louis Pasteur, to smoke pot. Intent on developing their own discreet language, they made '420' code for a time to get high, and its use spread among members of an entire generation.
So there, someone's parents out there invented the term 4/20.

And remember this:
There are NOT 420 chemicals in Weed. It's about 315, the number goes up or down depending on what you're smoking.
4/20 is NOT police code or Marijuana.
And that whole shit about Holland and 4/20 over there being "tea time" for smokers isn't true either.

Marijuana is less of a drug than any of the manufactured chemicals out there. It comes from the earth, and these ignorant bastards who pass legislation about it seem to forget that more deaths are caused by drinking (which is legal) than smoking pot.

I was a regular user throughout high school and college, and if you appreciate it and don't abuse it you'll do fine. I had a 3.8 GPA all through high school and graduated college with a 4.0 and honors. It's not going to destroy you or your ability to think, but the problem is people abuse it. (Such as going TO school high or something.) Use it if you've got some weekend time to have fun, not just to function normally.

The experience differs greatly for everyone, and it also depends on the strength of the marijuana you get. Some people won't like it right off the bat and never do it again, but my advice is try it at least once. You really can't even argue/complain/whine or have an opinion about it unless you've tried it.

Either way, just know that it's all around you. That couple who is standing in line for popcorn in front of you at your next movie is probably high. The smartest thing any government could do would be to make it legal and profit off the sales like lottery or cigarettes/alcohol. We spend too much money as it is trying to stop it, and more and more is becoming available. Stick to targeting meth and cocaine and the likes.

(Oh yeah, and this shit about marijuana being a gateway drug, absolutely untrue. If you don't WANT to try another drug, marijuana is not going to force you to do so. Make your own decisions about your life.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_issues_and_the_effects_of_cannabis

Instead of giving me a long article to read, could you actually make a point in response to my post?

Instead of giving me a long article to read, could you actually make a point in response to my post?
no

no

Then I stand by my statement.

I did once... didn't much see the point to it... i prefer a nice scotch instead... i love scotch... scotchy scotchy scotch

I prefer to get drunk, but I use it every now and then.

The last time was....3, maybe 4 months ago? I've more or less quit.

Then I stand by my statement.
Alright fine, research indicates that marijuana may actually have a beneficiary effect on the human lungs.
Marijuana is not physically addictive like tobacco is
There is no conclusive evidence that marijuana actually leads to mental disorders
Marijuana may be beneficiary to drivers as people became more cautious and alert while blazed

Then I stand by my statement.

It's not that long an article. :rolleyes: What are you, a lazy stoner or something?

:p

I've never done it... First-hand, that is. I've inhaled plenty of second-hand pot smoke in my cousin's room.

Will I ever do it first-hand? Probably.

i dont know... i'm a regular user (about 5-6 times a week) and my grades are excellent. i have an 87% average, and was accepted into university on an "advanced early admission" list. my memory works fine, too.
Have you ever considered that it could be even better? Obviously you're doing just fine. Just a curious question.

I used to. Not any more. Works for some, not really for me, not at all for some.

i have smoked before, and continue to every once in a while, just on special occasions. but, my point is that someone earlier in the thread mentioned that winners dont do drugs. If your a winner your smart enough to make decisions for yourself, if you screw it up, its your fault, if you casually smoke every once in a while, thats your right to make the right or wrong decision.

I prefer to get drunk, but I use it every now and then.

The last time was....3, maybe 4 months ago? I've more or less quit.


mmmm.

You could count me as an 'occasional user' probably. I've smoked it maybe 3 times this year, the last time being a month and a half or so ago. I might do it again I might not. For all I know I might have quit.

Alright fine, research indicates that marijuana may actually have a beneficiary effect on the human lungs.
Marijuana is not physically addictive like tobacco is
There is no conclusive evidence that marijuana actually leads to mental disorders
Marijuana may be beneficiary to drivers as people became more cautious and alert while blazed

I don't see how it could have a beneficial effect on lungs. Inhaling any kind of smoke can be bad for health. It's also well known that cannabis is more carcinogenic than tobacco. I'll stick to only inhaling air whenever possible.

It's also well known that cannabis is more carcinogenic than tobacco.

Source?

Marijuana is not physically addictive like tobacco is

Neither is cocaine. Psycological addiction can be worse than physical.

So
Marijuana is less of a drug than any of the manufactured chemicals out there. It comes from the earth

So does opium.. oops.

Neither is cocaine. Psycological addiction can be worse than physical.

Ah, but should we ban everything that may result in a psychological addiction?

Video games, masturbation, sex, gambling, the internet and religion, to name a few?

An addiction to any of those can be pretty harmful, hm?

So does opium.. oops.

Right, and so do shrooms. If you read the whole thing instead of taking it out of context you would see I was talking about how stupid it is that marijuana gets 'socially' classified at the same level as cocaine and other harder drugs.

That doesn't change the point that you're not going to try opium or shrooms unless you want to. And the powders and pills that are manufactured are more addictive and who knows what they put into that shit these days. Me personally, sniffing up dish soap and cleaning fluid isn't really my bag.

I have tried opium, and the difference, Poet, is that opium is manufactured before it's use as a drug, marijuana is not. Yes it does come from the earth, everything does if you break it down a lot.

Ah, but should we ban everything that may result in a psychological addiction?

Video games, masturbation, sex, gambling, the internet and religion, to name a few?

An addiction to any of those can be pretty harmful, hm?

Don't forget about food!

Ah, but should we ban everything that may result in a psychological addiction?

Video games, masturbation, sex, gambling, the internet and religion, to name a few?

An addiction to any of those can be pretty harmful, hm?

No, I only meant that claiming something isn't harmful since it's only psychologically addictive, as opposed to physically, is bogus. That's all. I'll leave the pros/cons of weed to the scientists.

Psychological addiction is nothing more than a weak will given the excuse to not control one's own behavior by society.

For example, I could sign off right now. Or could I? I think I could. I don't want to. Aha! Addiction! Now I have my excuse not to - I can't help it, I'm a victim of Psychological Addiction, I'm a slave to the mesmerizing good feelings of an illuminating computer screen, which are insidiously designed to hook me psychologically and rob me of free will.

Right, and so do shrooms. If you read the whole thing instead of taking it out of context you would see I was talking about how stupid it is that marijuana gets 'socially' classified at the same level as cocaine and other harder drugs.

Yes, but whether it 'comes from the Earth' should have nothing to do with it. I don't care if you were dead on overall, but something coming from the earth means nothing.

And I don't know what you mean about opium.. heroin is processed, but opium can be smoked in highly addictive form with no more preparation than marijuana.

Source?

If I had just read it from a source, that wouldn't count as well known. If you haven't read it anywhere, I'm sure you will in time.

If I had just read it from a source, that wouldn't count as well known. If you haven't read it anywhere, I'm sure you will in time.

:rolleyes:

I'm the only guy smoking weed in my NS profile pic! = Regular user.
(at least 3x a week).

And I'm still sharper than most people while stoned. ;)

If I had just read it from a source, that wouldn't count as well known. If you haven't read it anywhere, I'm sure you will in time.

So you're quoting urban legend and hear say?

If I had just read it from a source, that wouldn't count as well known. If you haven't read it anywhere, I'm sure you will in time.

*sigh*

If you say something is a "well known fact", then it's common courtesy to provide a source when asked for one. If you can't provide a source or otherwise prove that it's a fact that marijuana is more carcinogenic than tobacco, then it's clearly not a well known fact, is it?

So you're quoting urban legend and hear say?

No, I'm not quoting. I'm paraphrasing just about every scientific article I've read about cannabis.

*sigh*

If you say something is a "well known fact", then it's common courtesy to provide a source when asked for one. If you can't provide a source or otherwise prove that it's a fact that marijuana is more carcinogenic than tobacco, then it's clearly not a well known fact, is it?

I could provide a source, but I assumed that due to it being well-known (though obviously it isn't as well known as I thought) people would already know about it. It was intended as a reminder, not a revelation.

I could provide a source, but I assumed that due to it being well-known (though obviously it isn't as well known as I thought) people would already know about it. It was intended as a reminder, not a revelation.

If it's a well known fact, you shouldn't have a hard time finding me one, then, surely?

I grab a bit at the begining of each moth. Just enough to myself and a few friends very stoned, usually in my ghetto-grade sounsdsystem/"studio". We make lots of noise, some of which actually sounds good. I seperate the wheat from the chaff and use it in making my music.

I NEVER smoke the stuff before any kind of public appearance. Do stoners have any idea how stupid and obviously fried they look to everyone else? People who get fried at work just mystify me. As much as I enjoy pot, I know what it does to my inetellect when I'm on it and have no desire to be seen that way, nor to be stoned while having to do serious work. If I were to smoke up before doing a DJ set at home, that set would be far from my best, though very imaginative. Never in my life would I want to smoke up before doing a DJ set at a club, in front of an auduience I'm being paid to impress with my skills.

I think people have to be able to keep any drug use very discreet and seprate from other parts of their lives. Not from shame, but just as a way of managing their drug. I was strung out on Morphine for about 5 years, I know what insane extremes I am capable of. You can't maintain any kind of healthy equilibrium if you identify yourself by your drug of choice, as most stoners do.

I could provide a source, but I assumed that due to it being well-known (though obviously it isn't as well known as I thought) people would already know about it. It was intended as a reminder, not a revelation.

If people already knew about it, they wouldn't be asking what the hell you're talking about.

:rolleyes:

Ooh, lookee what I found.

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/docs/2000/108-10/correspondence.html#thc

If it's a well known fact, you shouldn't have a hard time finding me one, then, surely?

*sigh* In the time you've wasted arguing about this, you could have just found a damn source yourself.

Just forget it. You do realise that I don't actually care if you get lung cancer? Put whatever shit you like in your lungs. Inhale water if you like.

Ooh, lookee what I found.

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/docs/2000/108-10/correspondence.html#thc

ANTICANCER? Holy shit! I'm definitely smoking pot when I have the chance.

*On that note, get on MSN!

I don't see how it could have a beneficial effect on lungs. Inhaling any kind of smoke can be bad for health. It's also well known that cannabis is more carcinogenic than tobacco. I'll stick to only inhaling air whenever possible.

No, it isn't. There are more chemicals that have been linked to cancer with tobacco use in cannabis than in tobacco, but none of the research indicates that heavy marijuana use actually results in an increased for cancer. Not to mention that there's evidence (http://home.earthlink.net/~cevent/8-16-04_marijuana_ingred_treat_brain_tumor.html) that marijuana has agents in it that fight cancer.

Also, the anti marijuana propoganda says that a joint has 4 times the carcinogens that a cigarette does. Assuming that they're telling the truth, when they almost never do, there is still the matter that very few marijuana users actually smoke it in the same volume that average cigarette smokers indulge in their particular vice. Even the most devoted stoners tend to smoke a joint or two a day, as opposed to the 3 or 4 packs that the heaviest smokers smoke. Of course, a more representative comparison would be pot users who smoke two joints a week and smokers who smoke a half a pack to a whole pack everyday.

Psychological addiction = Bullshit term used to absolve an individual with a behavioral problem of all personal responsibility.

Don't try to throw this crap around. I've known more smokers than nonsmokers, and everyone would laugh their asses off (including the nonsmokers) at the idea of psychological dependancy to marijuana. :rolleyes:

Coffee is far more addictive than pot. So are tomatoes (containing niccotine).

Anyone spewing this shit needs to learn the difference between victimhood, disease, and self control.

If people already knew about it, they wouldn't be asking what the hell you're talking about.

:rolleyes:

I know that now. But my ability to see the future obviously wasn't working when I posted.

*sigh* In the time you've wasted arguing about this, you could have just found a damn source yourself.

Just forget it. You do realise that I don't actually care if you get lung cancer? Put whatever shit you like in your lungs. Inhale water if you like.

So, you're backing down without proving a point that was never there in the first place?

:rolleyes:

It's not like I actually care whether dope or tobacco are worse. I'm not smoking either of them, and I encourage all who do to smoke them as frequently and in as large quantities as possible.

*sigh* In the time you've wasted arguing about this, you could have just found a damn source yourself.

Just forget it. You do realise that I don't actually care if you get lung cancer? Put whatever shit you like in your lungs. Inhale water if you like.

Read the link I posted, please.

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*On that note, get on MSN!

I can't. It's not letting me log in. :mad:

Also, the anti marijuana propoganda says that a joint has 4 times the carcinogens that a cigarette does. Assuming that they're telling the truth, when they almost never do, there is still the matter that very few marijuana users actually smoke it in the same volume that average cigarette smokers indulge in their particular vice. Even the most devoted stoners tend to smoke a joint or two a day, as opposed to the 3 or 4 packs that the heaviest smokers smoke.
I only wish I could pick up a pack of twenty cigarette-sized joints for $3.50. :p

Yeah, that'll be the day...

I can't. It's not letting me log in. :mad:

*shakes fist*

Try closing MSN completely and open it again. That usually works for me.

Instead of giving me a long article to read, could you actually make a point in response to my post?
What kind of loser are you? :rolleyes:
"If i dont read it the facts will go away! And i can keep up my oppinion regardless of a scientific research."
No one is forcing you to smoke anything, but, my ass, i could put up a better argument when im stoned. In cantonese.
And would you please name your source for the sake of discussion or admit that you have none already?

Read the link I posted, please.

I'd heard that THC had beneficial effects, and I would be in favour of research into using it for medicinal purposes. That's not the same as smoking dope.

Psychological addiction = Bullshit term used to absolve an individual with a behavioral problem of all personal responsibility.

Don't try to throw this crap around. I've known more smokers than nonsmokers, and everyone would laugh their asses off (including the nonsmokers) at the idea of psychological dependancy to marijuana. :rolleyes:

Coffee is far more addictive than pot. So are tomatoes (containing niccotine).

So that's why I can't stop eating Italian food.

Dammit, I'm suing that pizza place down the street. Of course, I should eat there a few times first. If I sue the pizza place where I actually eat then they might go out of business. :)

Do you?
Dont you?
Would you?

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i used to be a heavy user just a month or so ago (and will be again in my upcoming trip to Amsterdam w00t!!), smoking pretty much from waking up to going to bed all through the day.
i got to concentrate on exams at the mo so i've stopped, and i've realised my brain was turning to mush and i'm actually happier not being blazed 24/7... i would certainly do it again (and i will after exams finish), just not as often is all.


edit: a bit more info... i started smoking after getting very depressed mostly as just something to do during the day, and help kill the time. i would wake up about 2pm, go round my mates, smoke all day and go to bed about 3am, then repeat - so i've been smoking daily for most of about 2 years now.

and i still can't roll :eek:
i've never needed to, but its a pain in the arse sometimes :(

I only wish I could pick up a pack of twenty cigarette-sized joints for $3.50. :p

Yeah, that'll be the day...

Just drive to Arkansas. The highways there have some of the largest marijuana plants you'll ever see. On the highway from Texarkana to Hot Springs, I saw at least five that were 15 feet tall. You can just pull over, chop them down, and put them in your car.

You should've seen the buds... Holy fuck...

I'd heard that THC had beneficial effects, and I would be in favour of research into using it for medicinal purposes. That's not the same as smoking dope.

Well that's what we're doing. Empirical research. :D

What kind of loser are you? :rolleyes:
I'm such a big loser that I don't resort to calling people names in debate.

"If i dont read it the facts will go away! And i can keep up my oppinion regardless of a scientific research."
I come on NationStates to read people's posts. If I wanted to read wikipedia, I'd go to wikipedia.

No one is forcing you to smoke anything, but, my ass, i could put up a better argument when im stoned. In cantonese.
It's not an argument. It's a request.

And would you please name your source for the sake of discussion or admit that you have none already?
OK, I have no source to hand. Maybe other people can't remember anything they read more than a few days ago.

Unless posting on this forum is actually going to count towards some kind of essay-writing qualification, I see no reason why I can't post in a more chatty format. If I was talking to my friends about cannabis, I wouldn't say "have you got a source for that? I demand that you go to the library and take out a book on it right now!"

*shakes fist*

Try closing MSN completely and open it again. That usually works for me.

No, it says I need to update it, but it gives some error when I try and install it. I've tried rebooting.

No, it says I need to update it, but it gives some error when I try and install it. I've tried rebooting.

*throws a toaster at Microsoft*

You bastards!!!

I'd heard that THC had beneficial effects, and I would be in favour of research into using it for medicinal purposes. That's not the same as smoking dope.

Actually, smoking "dope" is the same as using it for medicinal purposes, if that happens to be your sole motivation for smoking. Here in Canada marihuana is sold by government-approved agencies for medicinal use by the sufferers of some diseases.

I voted 'other' since i don't smoke - it destroys your lungs. I have however made thee and cake. It's really cheap in fact for me, as the last time i tried it, i had trouble riding a bike just from eating a piece that cost me one euro. Next time i'll only spend half a euro i suppose, since i even found laying on a couch very exhausting (i know now why stoned people complain about having to do simple tasks).

I come on NationStates to read people's posts. If I wanted to read wikipedia, I'd go to wikipedia.
If another post contains such a link in order to make his point and add value to his own words you should consider reading it, otherwise it is only your ignorance you can contribute.

It's not an argument. It's a request.
Argument as in discussion.

Unless posting on this forum is actually going to count towards some kind of essay-writing qualification, I see no reason why I can't post in a more chatty format.
Chatting is fine, claiming knowledge and citing a mysterious source devalues the discussion. If i say something directly contrary to another poster, thus calling his knowlege into doubt, i'd better be able to back that up.
Thus, id rather be unfriendly but honest.

Interestingly enough in the third paragraph from the link posted by kanabia on the anticarcinogenic effects of THC, it say that thyroid gland follicular cell adenomas were somewhat increased in the lowest THC-dosed group of mice. Then it goes on to say that these were not significantly related to THC. But it is related to THC because all the other tumors and polyps that (apparhantly from this study) are common in mice and rats were reduced. Medications that you could get prescribed from a doctor or are OTC have common side effects and uncommon side effects. I would view this as a rare side effect of THC and personally one that I would not want to be on the recieving end. It doesn't say why some of the mice had this increase and some didn't so there is no way of knowing if you are like the mice that had the increase or not.

So for everyone who wants Marmite Toast to post a source someone has already posted such a source for him. I mean really anything you put in your body that isn't classified as food is going to have one effect in most people and different side effects for everybody else mainly due to the fact that everybody's body chemistry is slightly different and thus reacts differently to introduced substances.


And to answer the question that started this thread. I've tried it, all it does is make me hungry (sometimes) and very very tired. Why pay 40 bucks for that when I can just bore myself with the Lifetime channel, or to pot heads endless rant on how pot should be legalised? One of the late night political commenting comedians said it best "They should legalise marijuana so that pot heads have nothing to whine about."

I plan to fight against Marijuana and drugs for as long as I am alive.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_225.html This link talks about the very real possibility of marijuana induced lung cancer.
http://www.drug-rehab.com/marijuana-addiction.htm This one speaks just after the effect on the brain part exactly how smoking marijuana could increase you risk of getting a cancer. Marijuana has 50-70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobaco AND produces a high level of an enzyme that will convert certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form. These level may accelerate the process that will ultimately produce malignant cells.
http://www.coolnurse.com/marijuana.htm This site says that just like with anything smoked it can cause cancer of the lungs.

These are just three more sites that I found. Don't get me wrong I'm not here to get anyone to quit smoking pot, but just understand wether it's tobacco, weed, crack, or car exhaust fumes anything you smoke can cause cancer. I'm just so sick of hearing that Marijuana is harmless because it comes from the earth directly and isn't processed by man to get the effects. This is the excuse that my fiancee gives me all the time on why marijuana is ok and cigarettes are bad. I quite smoking when my daughter was born 2 years ago and my asthma is so much the better while my fiancee now has an inhaler, she smokes on a daily basis. I have gotten rid of my inhaler and no longer need it.

Interestingly enough all the poisons that people say are so terrible in tobacco such as tar, carbon monoxide, or cyanide are all in marajuana as well.

I also found where nicotine is in tomatoes. This was just one site and thus is more inteded a humorous angle. So if you eat a tomato and smoke a joint you got yourself a marlboro light. :D

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_225.html This link talks about the very real possibility of marijuana induced lung cancer.
http://www.drug-rehab.com/marijuana-addiction.htm This one speaks just after the effect on the brain part exactly how smoking marijuana could increase you risk of getting a cancer. Marijuana has 50-70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobaco AND produces a high level of an enzyme that will convert certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form. These level may accelerate the process that will ultimately produce malignant cells.
http://www.coolnurse.com/marijuana.htm This site says that just like with anything smoked it can cause cancer of the lungs.


Yeah. I've been reading up on it all for the past couple of hours. All I can gleam from the debate is that at present there is no conclusive proof for either side - there are just as many people with good credentials that believe that marijuana causes cancer as there are those in opposition. Nor is there anything to state that marijuana is more likely to cause cancer than tobacco, which was the original contention I disputed. It probably does cause cancer. But then, it's pretty hard to find things that won't :p

exactly there is no difinitive proof either way, only because it's effects haven't been under the microscope as long as say tobacco. Potheads consistantly say that tobacco is harmful and weed isn't but tobacco is legal. The thing that they don't see is that smoking tobacco is quickly becoming an illegal thing. Alot of cities are making smoking in public places illegal, many malls that once allowed smoking haven't allowed smoking for many years. The smoking sections in restaurants are getting smaller and smaller. Law suits to the big tobacco makers keep coming and could bankrupt them. I recently read in the paper where Virginia might take a class action suit against philip morris for 1 billion dollars I believe enough to bankrupt the manufacturer. They might have decided that this would hurt the local economy alot because I haven't heard anymore regarding it.

The thing is in america we have a capitolist economy, we vote on products and the price/availability of the product with our money. We buy it when we have the choice not to. People have the option of quiting smoking, some do some don't. Some say it's too hard because they are addicted. I've quit smoking after smoking for 11-12 years cold turkey. I didn't use the patch or gum or any other aid that is available on the market. There is a big push for America to become smoke free, so much in fact that smokers in some places feel like second class citizens. If we as a country refuse to buy a product the manufacturing stops making it. If the demand is gone th supply will follow.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that for every pot head out there whining about how weed's illegal and cigarettes are legal. Stop because the day is fast approaching in my opinion where cigarettes wil be illegal and become 60 bucks a pack on the black market just like weed in america.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that for every pot head out there whining about how weed's illegal and cigarettes are legal. Stop because the day is fast approaching in my opinion where cigarettes wil be illegal and become 60 bucks a pack on the black market just like weed in america.
Well, and it's a logical fallicy.

I'm all for legalization, just sometimes we make lame arguments.

I suggest for all of you who think marajuana should be legal think about this. It's mainly the THC that gives you that good ol' high. According to this site http://www.homedrugtestingkit.com/thc.html THC is legal and has been approved for treating cancer patients who suffer nausea and to help AIDS patients eat more to keep up their weight. Unfortunately for the potheads of america it's only a vailable by perscription. Which with the effects marajuana has on people will probably be the only way it would be available if it were legalised. Thus it would be strictly regulated by the FDA and harder to get than it is now. I would even imagine it becoming akin to Amphetamines in availability, control by the government and price. Right now it's relatively cheap compared to cocaine. Would you really like to pay the same price for your weed as a crack head pays for his crack? I know I wouldn't if I smoked it, so really you should push for it to continue to be illegal and realtively cheap.

I also found this and on the DEA's website of all places and found it very enlightening especially in regards to marijauna being from the earth and how it should be legal. http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marinol.html

I plan to fight against Marijuana and drugs for as long as I am alive.

How sad! Your whole life... wasted. When you die, marijuana and drugs will still exist, they will still be used, and nothing you can do will have changed that. What a waste, when there are actual evils in the world to fight against, you're fighting inanimate objects.

everyone just get high and bloody enjoy yourself, stop being so uptight. you got one life, its short, you may as well enjoy it as much as you can

It used to be an everyday thing 4 me but then I fell pregnant... and I'm still breastfeeding... I really miss my way of thinking (pot induced), but I may not go back to it cos I can't really afford it :(

How sad! Your whole life... wasted. When you die, marijuana and drugs will still exist, they will still be used, and nothing you can do will have changed that. What a waste, when there are actual evils in the world to fight against, you're fighting inanimate objects.

These Inanimate Objects killed two of my best friends and harmed many more of them. A person who sells these Inanimate Objects shot another one of my friends through the head. It's a somewhat personal battle for me.

Mabey it is a waste of my life, but that's my choice.

Do you?
Dont you?
Would you?

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420 used to be the # on Quaaludes... things sure have changed...

Never have. Never will. Simply not my bag. Feel free to legalize it, I can't imagine it making much of a difference.

These Inanimate Objects killed two of my best friends and harmed many more of them. A person who sells these Inanimate Objects shot another one of my friends through the head. It's a somewhat personal battle for me.

Mabey it is a waste of my life, but that's my choice.

No inanimate object has volition. People have volition. No court of law would convict a drug for killing anybody. It's your choice how you live your life, but thats just it - your choice. Your friends had choices about what drugs they put into their bodies, right?

These Inanimate Objects killed two of my best friends and harmed many more of them. A person who sells these Inanimate Objects shot another one of my friends through the head. It's a somewhat personal battle for me.

Mabey it is a waste of my life, but that's my choice.

Was that pot?

I support the legalization of marijuana, even though I have never done it and never will. I just don't think it's the government's business what other people do.
everyone just get high and bloody enjoy yourself, stop being so uptight. you got one life, its short, you may as well enjoy it as much as you can
But don't try to force your stuff on anyone else. You choose to do drugs, I choose to not do them. I've got too much riding on keeping my senses. I'm a high level athlete and very high level intellectual. Both of those things require the all important ambition, something which marijuana kills (and there's also the fact that it kills brain cells). I realize some people claim to be A students while smoking pot, but I have seen a lot of people in my school who are very smart, yet don't try and coast though regular level classes with high grades. It's not that great an achievement.