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The US Gov keeps adding demand upon demand to other nations: bioscan in passport, passenger lists, and now this:

"But the new American proposal attempts to go one step further by demanding that any flight passing through U.S. airspace, even if it doesn't land, must first submit its passengers' names, citizenship, birthdays, and possibly their addresses and credit card details."

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/05/30/flights050530.html

Kinda remisend of what I've read about the old SU.

I wouldn't be surprised if soon you have to send a copy of your passport and what not just because you live on the same planet.

Where will it end?

Ask the Afghans in Guantanamo... whining Canuck.

I wouldn't be surprised if soon you have to send a copy of your passport and what not just because you live on the same planet.

Still waiting patiently for the day the United States claims ownership of all water on the planet and starts charging for its use...

It will end when people stop giving in to the demands. As simple as that. Demand all they want. If no one gives it, they will either give up or try to force it. In either case, America will stand very much alone. But first there has to be a consensus of nations to do that.

Seems like I touched a sensitive spot.

So sorry, Oye Oye, didn't mean to hurt your feelings...

I hope everything is better now after that immature responce.

Best of luck to you and your self-pity. :)

Still waiting patiently for the day the United States claims ownership of all water on the planet and starts charging for its use...


Last I heard Bush claimed the whole Moon on grounds of an american having set foot there first...

Rumour also has it that many American Christians believe that just by flashing their precious US passport will grant them entrance to Heaven...

Seems like I touched a sensitive spot.

So sorry, Oye Oye, didn't mean to hurt your feelings...

I hope everything is better now after that immature responce.

Best of luck to you and your self-pity. :)

It's not self pity, I'm just tired of hearing Canadians whine about Americans and not doing anything about it. It's like the line from Train Spotting "I don't hate the British, they're just wankers... but we on the other hand were colonised by wankers."

If you don't like the policies of the U.S. get of your Molson drinking Leaf watching ass and do something about it.

Last I heard Bush they already claimed the whole Moon on grounds of an american having set foot there first...

Hey..why not?

It worked for the British Empire for centuries.
Hell, half the time there were already people there.
Not for long, usually....

"Do they have a flag?......dash clever of them!"
-Eddie Izzard.

It's not self pity, I'm just tired of hearing Canadians whine about Americans and not doing anything about it. It's like the line from Train Spotting "I don't hate the British, they're just wankers... but we on the other hand were colonised by wankers."

If you don't like the policies of the U.S. get of your Molson drinking Leaf watching ass and do something about it.

For one, I'm not Canadian, i.e. it is not just the Canadians who are tired of the shit the US Gov is throwing around on the political world stage.

Secondly, how does a petty and immature responce serve you, or any one else for that matter, in getting your point accross? The only thing you have established is reduce the respect your fellow posters have for you after reading that rather pathetic reply.

Thirdly, "being critical" does not equate "whining".

Fourthly, we are doing something about it. Part of of that "something" is vocalize our thoughts on US politics, for example, here at NS.

It will end when either Big Brother Uncle Sam is watching us all, or when other governments, or people rise up and say they will not tolerate it.

For one, I'm not Canadian, i.e. it is not just the Canadians who are tired of the shit the US Gov is throwing around on the political world stage.

Secondly, how does a petty and immature responce serve you, or any one else for that matter, in getting your point accross? The only thing you have established is reduce the respect your fellow posters have for you after reading that rather pathetic reply.

Thirdly, "being critical" does not equate "whining".

Fourthly, we are doing something about it. Part of of that "something" is vocalize our thoughts on US politics, for example, here at NS.


No, it really is whining.

Yes America has become bullies, and overbearing, although sometimes well meaning, swine.

But you know what?

At least we are doing something.

It may have just cuased a bigger mess, or done some good, but its SOMETHING.

We do this crap becuase countries like Canada and Britian, and Australia let us.
We do all the dirty work, and you guys dont say shit, becuase deep down you know it needs to be done.

If instead of bitching about how much we suck, and instead maybe doing something proactive about it, maybe we wouldnt feel like we can always get away with the kind of crap we pull.

Yeah, I like 1984, it's a good book. :p

Seriously, all the things that the Gov. has been establishing makes me look at Orwell...and wonder...

For one, I'm not Canadian, i.e. it is not just the Canadians who are tired of the shit the US Gov is throwing around on the political world stage.

Secondly, how does a petty and immature responce serve you, or any one else for that matter, in getting your point accross? The only thing you have established is reduce the respect your fellow posters have for you after reading that rather pathetic reply.

Thirdly, "being critical" does not equate "whining".

Fourthly, we are doing something about it. Part of of that "something" is vocalize our thoughts on US politics, for example, here at NS.

If you're not Canadian then I apologise about the "Molson drinking Leaf watching" comment. Maybe what I should have said was "Guinness drinking Manchester United watching..."

We do all the dirty work, and you guys dont say shit, becuase deep down you know it needs to be done.
Furthering US interests need to be done? Dont think so. But i aint a US citizen, so forgive me for having another perspective than you.

If you're not Canadian then I apologise about the "Molson drinking Leaf watching" comment. Maybe what I should have said was "Guinness drinking Manchester United watching..."

Guinness is Irish, whereas Manchester United is an English team, further more your just showing your knowledge

Furthering US interests need to be done? Dont think so. But i aint a US citizen, so forgive me for having another perspective than you.


Please do not make the mistake of confusing my earlier post to mean that The Iraqi war "needed to be done"....in that case you are completely correct.
That war is nothing but a giant concern over money and oil.

What I was refering to, is the other shady crap we pull, like support some tinpot dictators, while toppling others.....etc.

Furthering US interests need to be done? Dont think so. But i aint a US citizen, so forgive me for having another perspective than you.

I'm not a US citizen either, but he's right about how other developed nations sit by and allow the US to do what they do.

No, it really is whining.

Yes America has become bullies, and overbearing, although sometimes well meaning, swine.

But you know what?

At least we are doing something.

It may have just cuased a bigger mess, or done some good, but its SOMETHING.

We do this crap becuase countries like Canada and Britian, and Australia let us.
We do all the dirty work, and you guys dont say shit, becuase deep down you know it needs to be done.

If instead of bitching about how much we suck, and instead maybe doing something proactive about it, maybe we wouldnt feel like we can always get away with the kind of crap we pull.

So the reason we shouldn't say shit is because we don't say shit? That's a pretty nice circular argument you have going there.

Guinness is Irish, whereas Manchester United is an English team, further more your just showing your knowledge

Manchester ain't English anymore...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8468113

Manchester ain't English anymore...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8468113

so Chelsea are Russian? :rolleyes:
old news

So the reason we shouldn't say shit is because we don't say shit? That's a pretty nice circular argument you have going there.

You should say shit... but the article that motivated this thread is about a petty inconvenience compared to what's going on in the rest of the world.

So the reason we shouldn't say shit is because we don't say shit? That's a pretty nice circular argument you have going there.


No, you missed my point entirely.

Bitching at a website to names without faces wont help you acheive anything.
Unless you take a direct stand against us, and actually make a point very solidly known that you will no longer stand by and allow the US to do the types of things it does, you are wasting your breath, in pointless whining.

What do you think would happen if Canada threatened to place a trade embargo upon the U.S if they (insert whatever ulimatum here)....

Now..you would have our attention.

If you dont approve...do something.

No, it really is whining.

Yes America has become bullies, and overbearing, although sometimes well meaning, swine.

But you know what?

At least we are doing something.

It may have just cuased a bigger mess, or done some good, but its SOMETHING.

We do this crap becuase countries like Canada and Britian, and Australia let us.
We do all the dirty work, and you guys dont say shit, becuase deep down you know it needs to be done.

If instead of bitching about how much we suck, and instead maybe doing something proactive about it, maybe we wouldnt feel like we can always get away with the kind of crap we pull.

BS, the only ones who are whining are the Americans who "can't stand it no longer to hear people criticise my beloved country!!!" and see it fit to either resort to petty name calling, talk about sliding back to third grade level, or come up with pseudo-arguments that no one in his right mind can take serious.

For example, you claim "we do all the dirty work" and try to sell off the idea that this dirty work needs to be done for the well-being of the world at large. That is, of course, bullshit. The hegemony of the US serves not the world, but small elite, the same elite who currently holds power in the US.

As for us not doing anything about it, let me remind you that those who do oppose the US policies have voiced their criticism quite vocally, mass protested on a scale unknown before, and other than that all we can do is vote differently in the future with the hope we finally get the leaders who will stand up to the US, and that is about as much as we can do. Unless, of course, you suggest we start suicide bombing the white house.


Therefore, instead of bitching about how others criticize the US policies you might actually want to do something to improve those policies. That way you won't have to hear the criticism that apparently hurts so many Americans who buy the party line that says that what the US is doing really is for the good of all parties involved. May I suggest you start by electing a president with both a brain and some integrity? Good luck!

You should say shit... but the article that motivated this thread is a petty inconvenience compared to what's going on in the rest of the world.

Yeah, but lots of petty inconveniances can end up being big problems.

I guess I'm just sick of the "your countries aren't speaking out against the actions of the US loudly enough, so you have no right to criticise them" argument. Like because our countries haven't attacked anyone recently (although unfortunately mine has) or become a superpower they're not macho enough and all the citizens should therefore shut up, put up and suck up to the US. The fact that some countries flex their international muscles less does not invalidate the opinions of those that live there.

BS, the only ones who are whining are the Americans who "can't stand it no longer to hear people criticise my beloved country!!!" and see it fit to either resort to petty name calling, talk about sliding back to third grade level, or come up with pseudo-arguments that no one in his right mind can take serious.

For example, you claim "we do all the dirty work" and try to sell off the idea that this dirty work needs to be done for the well-being of the world at large. That is, of course, bullshit. The hegemony of the US serves not the world, but small elite, the same elite who currently holds power in the US.

As for us not doing anything about it, let me remind you that those who do oppose the US policies have voiced their criticism quite vocally, mass protested on a scale unknown before, and other than that all we can do is vote differently in the future with the hope we finally get the leaders who will stand up to the US, and that is about as much as we can do. Unless, of course, you suggest we start suicide bombing the white house.


Therefore, instead of bitching about how others criticize the US policies you might actually want to do something to improve those policies. That way you won't have to hear the criticism that apparently hurts so many Americans who buy the party line that says that what the US is doing really is for the good of all parties involved. May I suggest you start by electing a president with both a brain and some integrity? Good luck!
And whenever countries don't agree with America, you call them cowards traitors and other colouful phrases. Perfect example France

BS, the only ones who are whining are the Americans who "can't stand it no longer to hear people criticise my beloved country!!!" and see it fit to either resort to petty name calling, talk about sliding back to third grade level, or come up with pseudo-arguments that no one in his right mind can take serious.

For example, you claim "we do all the dirty work" and try to sell off the idea that this dirty work needs to be done for the well-being of the world at large. That is, of course, bullshit. The hegemony of the US serves not the world, but small elite, the same elite who currently holds power in the US.

As for us not doing anything about it, let me remind you that those who do oppose the US policies have voiced their criticism quite vocally, mass protested on a scale unknown before, and other than that all we can do is vote differently in the future with the hope we finally get the leaders who will stand up to the US, and that is about as much as we can do. Unless, of course, you suggest we start suicide bombing the white house.


Therefore, instead of bitching about how others criticize the US policies you might actually want to do something to improve those policies. That way you won't have to hear the criticism that apparently hurts so many Americans who buy the party line that says that what the US is doing really is for the good of all parties involved. May I suggest you start by electing a president with both a brain and some integrity? Good luck!

First of all chum, you make the mistake of thinking I am someone who both supports his president, and that presidents agenda....your incorrect on both accounts.

Secondly, whining is precisely what your doing when you decide to climb a soapbox and whine about what the big mean U.S is doing, although in reality, you have likely DONE nothing to make your opinion known to the general polulace of your own country, let alone the one your have a beef with.

We do this crap becuase countries like Canada and Britian, and Australia let us.
We do all the dirty work, and you guys dont say shit, becuase deep down you know it needs to be done.



Hey comeon man, were in there fighting with you too, our SAS guys took out a terrorist the other day that was going to bomb their post.
At least we havent cut and run like the Spanish and the rest of Europe.

Hey comeon man, were in there fighting with you too, our SAS guys took out a terrorist the other day that was going to bomb their post.
At least we havent cut and run like the Spanish and the rest of Europe.


I didnt say you werent willing to help us with our selfish agendas, but you guys, like Canada and Britain, let us get away with murder...literally.

You should say shit... but the article that motivated this thread is about a petty inconvenience compared to what's going on in the rest of the world.

Truly unheard of at Nation States General Forum where all threads deal with issues that concern the gravest of issues concerning "the rest of the world.". Thank God, we have you to set us straight. :rolleyes:

Seriously...

You are missing the point.

The point being that once again the US Gov has taken another step in the direction of turning the US into a full-fledged police state where "freedom" is just a fantasy, not an aspect of reality.

I didnt say you werent willing to help us with our selfish agendas, but you guys, like Canada and Britain, let us get away with murder...literally.

Now, what's that? The criminal accusing the judge of letting him off to lightly???

What I was refering to, is the other shady crap we pull, like support some tinpot dictators, while toppling others.....etc.

Me too, the Iraq was just the cream topping. ;) There are a lot of shady stuff that did not need to be done, but furthered US interests. Like assassinating Allende, supplying the Iraq with weapons to fight the Iran, supporting Marcos, placing a crippling embargo on Cuba which mainly hurts the common people and did nothing to oust Castro etc...
No attempt to bash here, but i try to refute your "need to be done" point.

Fine, I'm an American, I pay my taxes, and I even vote. I don't like this one either and I have already used this wonderful thing called the Internet to let my congresional deligation know.

What did you do today?

I don't see why other nations shouldn't be bitching about this either. Hell, can you imagine the whining if Canada did the same? Every talk radio show in the US would be swamped with how dare they want OUR names and information, don't they know we're Americans? I heard it when Brazil went tit for tat and started finger printing Americans who came to Brazil after the US started the same.

Now, what's that? The criminal accusing the judge of letting him off to lightly???


Hmm..kinda.

Think of it as someone who knows full well the nasty selfish crap his country pulls, and yet, thinks part of the blame should be on its fellow world leaders, for allowing it to happen.

It doesnt exscuse the crime mind you....but the blame is properly placed.

Me too, the Iraq was just the cream topping. ;) There are a lot of shady stuff that did not need to be done, but furthered US interests. Like assassinating Allende, supplying the Iraq with weapons to fight the Iran, supporting Marcos, placing a crippling embargo on Cuba which mainly hurts the common people and did nothing to oust Castro etc...
No attempt to bash here, but i try to refute your "need to be done" point.


Well...look at Iraq, currently.

Did Saddam need to be removed?

Probably.

Did we do it the right way, and make the country a better place that wehn we got there?

Hell no.

First of all chum, you make the mistake of thinking I am someone who both supports his president, and that presidents agenda....your incorrect on both accounts.

Chum, I never made that assumption, and I challenge you to find anything that suggests otherwise.

Secondly, whining is precisely what your doing when you decide to climb a soapbox and whine about what the big mean U.S is doing, although in reality, you have likely DONE nothing to make your opinion known to the general polulace of your own country, let alone the one your have a beef with.

Now you are assuming things.

-I never climbed on a soapbox and whine about anything, but if you want to perceive it that way and whine about it, that's fine by me. :)

-I was part of the protest march in my country that protested against the invasion of Iraq, probably more than you did.

[QUOTE=1248B]Chum, I never made that assumption, and I challenge you to find anything that suggests otherwise.



"Therefore, instead of bitching about how others criticize the US policies you might actually want to do something to improve those policies. That way you won't have to hear the criticism that apparently hurts so many Americans who buy the party line that says that what the US is doing really is for the good of all parties involved. May I suggest you start by electing a president with both a brain and some integrity? Good luck! "

There.

Now that thats taken care of, onto the latter half of the post...

I have twice, voted against Bush, and write letters to my Congressman, and State Represenative about 1-2 times a week.

"Therefore, instead of bitching about how others criticize the US policies you might actually want to do something to improve those policies. That way you won't have to hear the criticism that apparently hurts so many Americans who buy the party line that says that what the US is doing really is for the good of all parties involved. May I suggest you start by electing a president with both a brain and some integrity? Good luck! "


There.

Now that thats taken care of, onto the latter half of the post...

That does not back up your assumption that I am of the opinion that you support Bush and his agenda. Please use your brain as it is painful to read your less than intelligent replies.

I have twice, voted against Bush, and write letters to my Congressman, and State Represenative about 1-2 times a week.

You may, probably not actually, have noticed the "probably"...

Last I heard Bush claimed the whole Moon on grounds of an american having set foot there first...

Rumour also has it that many American Christians believe that just by flashing their precious US passport will grant them entrance to Heaven...

Thats a complete lie. Most Americans don't have a passport (last I heard 1/5 did). They don't understand about this 'rest of the world' thing.

That does not back up your assumption that I am of the opinion that you support Bush and his agenda. Please use your brain as it is painful to read your less than intelligent replies.



You may, probably not actually, have noticed the "probably"...


When your skills in debate fall to insults, you defeat your own arguement.

Also, feigning ignorance in regards to the intention of your earlier post, further defeats your cause.

When your skills in debate fall to insults, you defeat your own arguement.

My apologies, stupidity always gets to me wherever it shows itself.

It is good though to see you admit that at least I have an argument, more then I can say of you.


Also, feigning ignorance in regards to the intention of your earlier post, further defeats your cause.

If you read carefully what I said, and use the one living braincell that is needed to understand it, then you will see that I did not imply in any way whatsoever that I am of the opinion that you support Bush and his agenda.

Mmmh, I think it is best if I spoonfeed you to keep you from further humiliating yourself by more whining, or worse, make up more petty accusations that have no foundation in given fact.

Here goes, sentence by sentence:

"Therefore, instead of bitching about how others criticize the US policies you might actually want to do something to improve those policies."

Do I here imply anywhere that you support Bush and his agenda? Not at all.

"That way you won't have to hear the criticism that apparently hurts so many Americans who buy the party line that says that what the US is doing really is for the good of all parties involved."

Perhaps here I suggest that you support Bush and his agenda? Mmmh, can't see where, can you? In other words, another negative.

"May I suggest you start by electing a president with both a brain and some integrity? Good luck!"

Then this must be the part where I say that you support Bush and his agenda!! Then again, no, not at all.

BS, if your reply to this post is yet another pathetic attempts to safe face then I will make this my last reply to your posts. I.e. if you are not man enough to admit your own mistakes then don't bother trying to come up with yet another bullshit reply.

Have a nice day. :)

By the way, it is of course possible, no matter how remote, that this is simply a matter of limited reading comprehension skill, in that case I wish you good luck with upgrading that same reading comprehension skill!

You know, it occurs to me that we're going about it the wrong way. Sure, airline security is a good thing, but must we rely on the investigative techniques of the FBI, CIA, Office of Fatherland Security to do searches on EVERYONE, trying to find the ten in a billion hijackers? That's grossly inefficient.

I say we should just have a simple fill-in-the-blank questionnaire to anyone boarding an aircraft. One question: "Are you a terrorist?" That ought to do it.

Later on, when Rumsfeld starts classifying cell phones as terrorist weapons and Democracy as a euphemism for Terrorism, we may need some clarification with a second question: "If 'yes', do you plan on doing terrorist activity during this flight?"

Last I heard Bush claimed the whole Moon on grounds of an american having set foot there first...

Sadly, supposedly the same thing is true of Antarctica.

From the CIA world fact book: Antarctic Treaty freezes claims (see Antarctic Treaty Summary in Government type entry); Argentina, Australia, Chile, France, NZ, Norway, and UK claim land and maritime sectors (some overlapping) for a large portion of the continent; the US and many other states do not recognize these territorial claims and have made no claims themselves (the US and Russia reserve the right to do so); no claims have been made in the sector between 90 degrees west and 150 degrees west; several states with territorial claims in Antarctica have expressed their intention to submit data to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf to extend their continental shelf claims to adjoining undersea ridges

My apologies, stupidity always gets to me wherever it shows itself.

It is good though to see you admit that at least I have an argument, more then I can say of you.




If you read carefully what I said, and use the one living braincell that is needed to understand it, then you will see that I did not imply in any way whatsoever that I am of the opinion that you support Bush and his agenda.

Mmmh, I think it is best if I spoonfeed you to keep you from further humiliating yourself by more whining, or worse, make up more petty accusations that have no foundation in given fact.

Here goes, sentence by sentence:

"Therefore, instead of bitching about how others criticize the US policies you might actually want to do something to improve those policies."

Do I here imply anywhere that you support Bush and his agenda? Not at all.

"That way you won't have to hear the criticism that apparently hurts so many Americans who buy the party line that says that what the US is doing really is for the good of all parties involved."

Perhaps here I suggest that you support Bush and his agenda? Mmmh, can't see where, can you? In other words, another negative.

"May I suggest you start by electing a president with both a brain and some integrity? Good luck!"

Then this must be the part where I say that you support Bush and his agenda!! Then again, no, not at all.

BS, if your reply to this post is yet another pathetic attempts to safe face then I will make this my last reply to your posts. I.e. if you are not man enough to admit your own mistakes then don't bother trying to come up with yet another bullshit reply.

Have a nice day. :)

By the way, it is of course possible, no matter how remote, that this is simply a matter of limited reading comprehension skill, in that case I wish you good luck with upgrading that same reading comprehension skill!

I wasnt going to rise to this pile of ignorance and bilge, but hey..Im human.

Ive read your posts quite a bit.
Your'e nothing special here.
Your one of these pseudo-intellectuals on this board who prostelyze endlessly about whatever agenda they happen to be on, and when someone like myself comes around and reveals how very little you actually know, and shows the entire board that your debate skills consist of "Oh yeah? well your stupid!"...all you can do is personally attack them and CONTINUE to miss any actual point anyone makes.

You arent that smart, and your certainly not that witty.

Silence your perpetual whining, and actually DO something with yourself, instead of posting ignorance on a website in hopes that someone, anyone, will notice how very intelligent you wish you were.

I didnt say you werent willing to help us with our selfish agendas, but you guys, like Canada and Britain, let us get away with murder...literally.

Its not murder man, its war.
Its only murder when you shoot passive prisoners in cold blood.

The Australian government makes everyone, politician, diplomat, religious leader go through a body scanner and usually to remove their shoes too. Even the PM and his wife have to do it. Because of this India and Papua New guinea have taken offence at our requests, so just be thankful the Americans aren't taking your shoes off.

Its not murder man, its war.
Its only murder when you shoot passive prisoners in cold blood.


Oh..like Abu Ghraihb....yah good thing we dont do that!

I say we should just have a simple fill-in-the-blank questionnaire to anyone boarding an aircraft. One question: "Are you a terrorist?" That ought to do it.

Later on, when Rumsfeld starts classifying cell phones as terrorist weapons and Democracy as a euphemism for Terrorism, we may need some clarification with a second question: "If 'yes', do you plan on doing terrorist activity during this flight?"
Ya know, the sad part is that they already do? I'm helping my fiancee with her visa renewal and it asks, and I kid you not, "Are you planning to come to the United States for subversive or terrorist activities or to overthrow the goverment of the United States?"

Then it notes that checking yes does not mean automatic rejection of your visa application, but that you may have to meet with a consulate general.

Your tax dollars at work. ;)

No, you missed my point entirely.

Bitching at a website to names without faces wont help you acheive anything.
Unless you take a direct stand against us, and actually make a point very solidly known that you will no longer stand by and allow the US to do the types of things it does, you are wasting your breath, in pointless whining.

What do you think would happen if Canada threatened to place a trade embargo upon the U.S if they (insert whatever ulimatum here)....

Now..you would have our attention.

If you dont approve...do something.

I'm Canadian and I strongly agree with you. I'm sick and tired of living in a wimpy nation that lets itself get swindled out of its own natural resources, regularily has unauthorized foriegn military vessels in its seas, suffers under enormously unfair tariffs and embargoes, has closed down fishery after fishery in order to rebuild the overfished Cod stocks, only to have Portugese and Spanish trawlers scooping up Cod illegaly in Canadian waters. And they only thing we do about it is whine.

We have to stand up and be counted, not just whine about it. I think the US Gov't has been wondering for years if Canada will ever actually mature as a nation to the point where we actually start doing something about the things we don't like. I think they'll respect Canada a lot more if it ever does this.

Oh..like Abu Ghraihb....yah good thing we dont do that!

Can you prove that?