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This isnt raceist or anything but seriously the muslims have been though hell since they began. They have been constantly attacked by christans and other religions. Even now in an age of equality they are still being killed by other religons and now they are killing each other.

There has really only been 1 good government put together by them, Iran which has since then failed. They are definetly survivors though. They just need to all switch to a new religon. Why can't they get there shit together?

WW3 is either going to be a race/religion war or just a war of China, Japan, North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Most of the middle east and others will get involved. There they will be killed out, taken prisoner or just laughed at.

These days they are good for nothing and we are just helping along a worthless cause that will amount to nothing.

The same reason the state-sponsored mass-persecution of Christians in Rome utterly failed to stop us.



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This isnt raceist or anything

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These days they are good for nothing and we are just helping along a worthless cause that will amount to nothing.


form a contradiction ;)

If you mean Islam, no time soon. It spreads faster than Christianity does, and is the second biggest religion in the world.

Well not 100% of them are usless but a lot of them sadly are. I wish that they would just stop all this fighting each other stuff, kick christians out of their land and make their own goverment.

If you mean Islam, no time soon. It spreads faster than Christianity does, and is the second biggest religion in the world.


It's spreading even faster now since it mutated to an airborne strain.

Why should they form their own government? Why should any religion form a government?

Why should they form their own government? Why should any religion form a government?

To more efficiently kill unbelievers.

Why would they die out?

Islam is a rich religion, it has inspired many writers, philosophers, musicians, artists, scientist and theologists.

Just because some lunatics today claim to do things in the name of Islam is no reason for millions to give up their faith, is it now?
Or did people suddenly abandon christianity because of the inquisition, the crusades, or bible-belt fanatists?

If by "they" you mean a majority of muslims, let me tell you "they" do not support a "worthless cause", all "they" wish for is a life in peace.

Well not 100% of them are usless but a lot of them sadly are. I wish that they would just stop all this fighting each other stuff, kick christians out of their land and make their own goverment.

Where - at the moment - are muslims fighting each other?

To more efficiently kill unbelievers.


I'll let the ignorance in that statement speak for itself.

When the rest of us do.

I'll let the ignorance in that statement speak for itself.

I think we should do that with the whole thread...

I'll let the ignorance in that statement speak for itself.

I believe it was doing that just fine before you got all self-righteous on it.

It was sarcasm? Sorry, I couldn't tell ^^;

It's spreading even faster now since it mutated to an airborne strain.

*Stamps with "Post of the day" stamp*

I think we should do that with the whole thread...
Exactly.

Cabra West
Where - at the moment - are muslims fighting each other?

The Shi'ites and the Sunnis have been fighting each other for centuries. Take the Iran-Iraq war for a recent example. As for at the moment, note the terrorist who blew himslef up in a Mosque today/yesterday in order to kill two Iraqy officials, though he injured many fellow muslims in the process. Also note that Bin Laden and his lackeys have repeatedly danmed fellow muslims who are not willing to be martyrs and oppose the US.

Gosh, aren't we lucky that Christians don't fight among themselves? I mean, imagine how bad Northern Ireland would be if the Catholics fought against the Protestants all the time.

... oh, wait...

Cabra West


The Shi'ites and the Sunnis have been fighting each other for centuries. Take the Iran-Iraq war for a recent example. As for at the moment, note the terrorist who blew himslef up in a Mosque today/yesterday in order to kill two Iraqy officials, though he injured many fellow muslims in the process. Also note that Bin Laden and his lackeys have repeatedly danmed fellow muslims who are not willing to be martyrs and oppose the US.

True, you're right there.
My next question would have to be "In what way does that affect Lusavia"?

*Stamps with "Post of the day" stamp*

Somebody actually got one of my jokes. Consider yourself upgraded to first class. Peanuts? Virgins? Blood of the infidel? Have a pleasant flight.

Gosh, aren't we lucky that Christians don't fight among themselves? I mean, imagine how bad Northern Ireland would be if the Catholics fought against the Protestants all the time.

... oh, wait...

Exactly, the initial post would make just as much sense if you replaced the word "Muslim" with the more generic "religious people".

Exactly, the initial post would make just as much sense if you replaced the word "Muslim" with the more generic "religious people".

I wouldn't go for "religious people", most of them are ok. I would just call them all "religious fanatists"

Your ignorance is mind-boggling. I could rip your thread to pieces, but instead I'll just point out one thing to show how completely uninformed you are.

WW3 is either going to be a race/religion war or just a war of China, Japan, North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Most of the middle east and others will get involved. There they will be killed out, taken prisoner or just laughed at.

There are no such nations as North Vietnam or South Vietnam. There haven't been for 30 years.

When will Islam die out?

...Second Coming...

And don't start on the "what have they ever done" thing. Where do you think modern mathematics came from? Arabic (Islamic) states.

Why can't Muslims die out? Why can't George Bush string a sentence together? Why can't the weather sort itself out so I don't get rained on when I walk to work? I WANT ANSWERS

A more pertinent question to the OP is when will he realise he needs to respect people if he wants respect back?

You could only make a bad situation worse with opinions like that.

Well not 100% of them are usless but a lot of them sadly are. I wish that they would just stop all this fighting each other stuff, kick christians out of their land and make their own goverment.

Your racist you cant just say that its "muslims" land. And they have not right to "Kick christians out"

When will muslims finally die out?

About the same time christians do.

If you consider that the odds are not zero that someday, some Islamic extremist will get their hands on a vial of smallpox, you can bet that
a) they will by side effect kill a lot of Muslims, and
b) any that survive who live in a Western country ravaged by smallpox will be killed by roving bands of extremely angry non-Muslims

So, the odds that someday, a Holocaust the world cannot imagine will take place. The odds are not zero - in fact, over time, they are improving.

This isnt raceist or anything but seriously the muslims have been though hell since they began. They have been constantly attacked by christans and other religions. Even now in an age of equality they are still being killed by other religons and now they are killing each other.

There has really only been 1 good government put together by them, Iran which has since then failed. They are definetly survivors though. They just need to all switch to a new religon. Why can't they get there shit together?

WW3 is either going to be a race/religion war or just a war of China, Japan, North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Most of the middle east and others will get involved. There they will be killed out, taken prisoner or just laughed at.

These days they are good for nothing and we are just helping along a worthless cause that will amount to nothing.
So long as I'm alive!

*waves hands in the middle of a huge crowd in Southern California, camera zooms out dramatically*


>>...and so long as I remain a moderate one. I mean, I'm pretty lousy compared to other Muslims.

Where - at the moment - are muslims fighting each other?

Hehe. You're funny. :)

I believe it was doing that just fine before you got all self-righteous on it.

This is a religious topic and he should be self-righteous, because this thread is attacking Islam and muslims head on and the creator of the thread is to scared or thinks to highly of himslef to admit he is racist. This thread fromt he start was like that and when facts were presented to prove it wrong, you guys just started asking more question that make the answers reapeat instead of asking dumb questions ask intellectual questions, this threads question was by far the dumbest thing I ever heard so far.

If you consider that the odds are not zero that someday, some Islamic extremist will get their hands on a vial of smallpox, you can bet that
a) they will by side effect kill a lot of Muslims, and
b) any that survive who live in a Western country ravaged by smallpox will be killed by roving bands of extremely angry non-Muslims

So, the odds that someday, a Holocaust the world cannot imagine will take place. The odds are not zero - in fact, over time, they are improving.
How much smallpox is needed to start a plague? A few particles.
How much did Russia have? Five tonnes.
How much is missing? We don't know.
How many will die in a virgin population? Ninety percent.
How fast will it kill you? Approx ten days.
How screwed are we? I leave that to you.

When will the Christians die out? Seems to me a whole religion based on the idea that one man's execution was actually a good thing, should have it's own expiration date.

There is no real problem with any religion in the world. A pure interupretation of any of the major 3 can be seen to have peaceful intentions and goals.

However what most, and i admit even sometimes myself is included, people think when they hear about Islam is those religious radicals who go and blow themselves up to become a martyr. There is nothing inherintly wrong with the religions themselves, it is the radical sects of the religions.

Someone pointed out the IRA thing, it is not just a purely religious struggle. If you want to look into the US most recent history you can see the effects of a Radical Christian Sect in the Waco, TX incident. They were a religious cult, based loosely on the bible, and killed many a law enforcement agent.

Every religion has its share of radicials, and this is one reason why it is very difficult in our modern world to imagine a truely religious government. I believe the Taliban regime was the closest to a truely religious government, and look what happened to them.

PS. Islam is the fastest spreading religion in the world. There are muslims in the South Pacific, and unfortunately i think that is as far as it will go. Most of the nations, excluding the south pacific were brought up under the boot of europe and are now deeply entrenched in the Christian religious ethos.

I love how the people who attack Islam act as if Chirstianity is pure and good. What about the KKK? Wern't they christians? It's been brought up before in this post about the (nobody exspects the) Spanish Inquistion, the crusades, Murdering people, Ireland violence, all that stuff. These people are just scared of anything foriegn, and are racist. They're response to the evil deeds of chirstians? "......so ya, about Islam..."

These are the same people who belive we should racially profile ALL people of middle easter background. But after the Oklahoma City bombing, where were they screaming for the profiling of all White people trying to enter office buildings? But, oh no, as one "not that i'm racist or anything" person tried to tell me once. "Ya but...you know..white people are just...normal guys". riiiight. Like white people never bomb hospitals or kill people. Thank you racists, for making me feel a little bit better about my own learning-disabled intellegence.

Gosh, aren't we lucky that Christians don't fight among themselves? I mean, imagine how bad Northern Ireland would be if the Catholics fought against the Protestants all the time.

... oh, wait...
I'm getting a bit sick of the constant references to the IRA.
So for all those who really don't have a clue:


The IRA were and are communists!


When will Islam die out?

...Second Coming...

And don't start on the "what have they ever done" thing. Where do you think modern mathematics came from? Arabic (Islamic) states.
The ancient Greeks. Arabic states just remembered it during the Dark Ages.

When will the Christians die out? Seems to me a whole religion based on the idea that one man's execution was actually a good thing, should have it's own expiration date.

You forgot 'and who actually use a murder weapon as their symbol'. I suppose they're lucky Christ didn't show up a bit later - the cross is nice and easy to draw. The electric chair? The gas chamber? Not so simple.

I'm getting a bit sick of the constant references to the IRA.
So for all those who really don't have a clue:

The IRA were communists!

Were? Did we finally get rid of them?

(Actually, I was just referring to the whole Northern Ireland situation. We've been hearing about the Catholic v. Protestant thing for /years/)

(Actually, I was just referring to the whole Northern Ireland situation. We've been hearing about the Catholic v. Protestant thing for /years/)

Yeah, but northern ireland is not about religion.

You forgot 'and who actually use a murder weapon as their symbol'. I suppose they're lucky Christ didn't show up a bit later - the cross is nice and easy to draw. The electric chair? The gas chamber? Not so simple.

Ya, don't you think if you were Christ, the last thing you would want to see is a buch of crosses everywhere? That's why we need Buddy Christ. Dosn't it just POP?

If you consider that the odds are not zero that someday, some Islamic extremist will get their hands on a vial of smallpox, you can bet that
a) they will by side effect kill a lot of Muslims, and
b) any that survive who live in a Western country ravaged by smallpox will be killed by roving bands of extremely angry non-Muslims

So, the odds that someday, a Holocaust the world cannot imagine will take place. The odds are not zero - in fact, over time, they are improving.

1) Smallpox isn't the most efficient killer to Mankind, not by a long shot. It was so inefficient that one person could have it in a closed building, with internally circulating air, and no one else may become effected. So smallpox isn't the OF MY HOLY GOD that you're making out, otherwise we would ALL HAVE DIED before they were able to manufacture a vaccine.

2) Chances are much more likely that AIDS will either naturally mutate, be genetically engineered to spread and act quickly, or just continue slowly spreading and killing everyone it comes into contact with.

3) If not AIDS, some form of Chemical or Biological Agent produced in the United States will spread over the world and cause a "holocaust". The result would be that the survivors would be in chaos, without modern technology. Millions would dy from cold and hunger alone, and the rest of the white people in the west would kill any non-white person just for the hell of it, be they Indian, Native American, African, Asian, or just plain Black.

If you are soooo worried about Smallpox, why isn't Typhoid also on your list of things "the terrorists" could release? Cholera? I know cholera in a public water system would kill thousands and millions of residential, urban people.

You oput far too much stock in smallpox, little man.

Where - at the moment - are muslims fighting each other?

Here's a recent example of Moslem vs. Moslem, or specifically Sunni vs. Shi'a. There have been many others in recent history.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:P9peChah2XgJ:www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7999826/+sunni+bomb+shiite&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Here's an excellent thread, an interesting lesson on Islam and Islamic history:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422383&page=1&pp=15

You forgot 'and who actually use a murder weapon as their symbol'. I suppose they're lucky Christ didn't show up a bit later - the cross is nice and easy to draw. The electric chair? The gas chamber? Not so simple.



Were? Did we finally get rid of them?

(Actually, I was just referring to the whole Northern Ireland situation. We've been hearing about the Catholic v. Protestant thing for /years/)
I could comment that NI was resettled with Scots and that Glasgow has the exact same problem as NI (Catholic vs Protestant, but to a lesser degree) so the problem would be more accurately described as 'too many Scots' but that would be rude and flamey so I won't. :p

And I edited the original message to be more accurate.

This is a religious topic and he should be self-righteous, because this thread is attacking Islam and muslims head on and the creator of the thread is to scared or thinks to highly of himslef to admit he is racist. This thread fromt he start was like that and when facts were presented to prove it wrong, you guys just started asking more question that make the answers reapeat instead of asking dumb questions ask intellectual questions, this threads question was by far the dumbest thing I ever heard so far.

Uhmm...you all are the racist ones. If you think you have to be brown to be Muslim, that is....I would call the OP more of a religious bigot.

a war of China, Japan, North Vietnam, South Vietnam

South Vietnam does not exist anymore. It collapsed in 1975.

This isnt raceist or anything but...
Yeah, this sort of caveat doesn't really work. It just makes me assume that everything that follows is going to be exactly what you claim it isn't 'meant' to be.

No offense but....(what I'm about to say is going to offend you)

Someone pointed out the IRA thing, it is not just a purely religious struggle. If you want to look into the US most recent history you can see the effects of a Radical Christian Sect in the Waco, TX incident. They were a religious cult, based loosely on the bible, and killed many a law enforcement agent.


Uhmm..I think you have your facts wrong there, boyo. The Branch Davidians followed a psychopath who thought he had a new interperetation of the bible, sure. But all the firearms they had werel egally registered. And they had a standoff with the FBI.

And the FBI murdered 78 men, women, and children for no good reason.

Sorry..don't mean to hijack, but I HATE it when people \insinuate that the Branch Davidians were terrorists.

Uhmm..I think you have your facts wrong there, boyo. The Branch Davidians followed a psychopath who thought he had a new interperetation of the bible, sure. But all the firearms they had werel egally registered. And they had a standoff with the FBI.

And the FBI murdered 78 men, women, and children for no good reason.

Sorry..don't mean to hijack, but I HATE it when people \insinuate that the Branch Davidians were terrorists.
But, but, but, but, but, but, but, guns are bad, mkay! :p

1) Smallpox isn't the most efficient killer to Mankind, not by a long shot. It was so inefficient that one person could have it in a closed building, with internally circulating air, and no one else may become effected. So smallpox isn't the OF MY HOLY GOD that you're making out, otherwise we would ALL HAVE DIED before they were able to manufacture a vaccine.

2) Chances are much more likely that AIDS will either naturally mutate, be genetically engineered to spread and act quickly, or just continue slowly spreading and killing everyone it comes into contact with.

3) If not AIDS, some form of Chemical or Biological Agent produced in the United States will spread over the world and cause a "holocaust". The result would be that the survivors would be in chaos, without modern technology. Millions would dy from cold and hunger alone, and the rest of the white people in the west would kill any non-white person just for the hell of it, be they Indian, Native American, African, Asian, or just plain Black.

If you are soooo worried about Smallpox, why isn't Typhoid also on your list of things "the terrorists" could release? Cholera? I know cholera in a public water system would kill thousands and millions of residential, urban people.

You oput far too much stock in smallpox, little man.


Being immune to typhoid, I hope that indeed will be the weapon of choice.

1) Smallpox isn't the most efficient killer to Mankind, not by a long shot. It was so inefficient that one person could have it in a closed building, with internally circulating air, and no one else may become effected. So smallpox isn't the OF MY HOLY GOD that you're making out, otherwise we would ALL HAVE DIED before they were able to manufacture a vaccine.

2) Chances are much more likely that AIDS will either naturally mutate, be genetically engineered to spread and act quickly, or just continue slowly spreading and killing everyone it comes into contact with.

3) If not AIDS, some form of Chemical or Biological Agent produced in the United States will spread over the world and cause a "holocaust". The result would be that the survivors would be in chaos, without modern technology. Millions would dy from cold and hunger alone, and the rest of the white people in the west would kill any non-white person just for the hell of it, be they Indian, Native American, African, Asian, or just plain Black.

If you are soooo worried about Smallpox, why isn't Typhoid also on your list of things "the terrorists" could release? Cholera? I know cholera in a public water system would kill thousands and millions of residential, urban people.

You oput far too much stock in smallpox, little man.
personally i would go with hanta virus, it kills 50% of all those who get it even with intense medical intervention, and of the 50% who survive, 100% have health problems for the rest of their lives.

personally i would go with hanta virus, it kills 50% of all those who get it even with intense medical intervention, and of the 50% who survive, 100% have health problems for the rest of their lives.

Isn't that hard to spread though. I mean I gather it is spread in mice piss or something.

personally i would go with hanta virus, it kills 50% of all those who get it even with intense medical intervention, and of the 50% who survive, 100% have health problems for the rest of their lives.

But it, like Ebola, ravages through its hosts so fast that it will never be spread over a long distance. You could infect a person in New York with Hanta, and only them and maybe another person would die, because it acts so quickly, and is so hard to spread to humans. It isn't very communicable at all.

Yeah, but northern ireland is not about religion.

Neither were the crusades, but people bring them up.

Uhmm..I think you have your facts wrong there, boyo. The Branch Davidians followed a psychopath who thought he had a new interperetation of the bible, sure. But all the firearms they had werel egally registered. And they had a standoff with the FBI.

And the FBI murdered 78 men, women, and children for no good reason.

Sorry..don't mean to hijack, but I HATE it when people \insinuate that the Branch Davidians were terrorists.
PSSSSST

it was the ATF

How much smallpox is needed to start a plague? A few particles.
How much did Russia have? Five tonnes.
How much is missing? We don't know.
How many will die in a virgin population? Ninety percent.
How fast will it kill you? Approx ten days.
How screwed are we? I leave that to you.


Nope I will live through the small pox plague. Thank you military forcing all of us to get small pox shots after 9/11

PSSSSST

it was the ATF

Joint operation, FBI and FBATF.

PSSSSST

it was the ATF

No it wasn't

Well not 100% of them are usless but a lot of them sadly are. I wish that they would just stop all this fighting each other stuff, kick christians out of their land and make their own goverment.

And how do you suppose they kick Christians out of their land? Through a peaceful, democratic way? I don't think so. Many don't know how to do that and the only real way they will kick Christians out is by violence. Yes, its sad, but its true.

Isn't that hard to spread though. I mean I gather it is spread in mice piss or something.
thats what makes it a superior weapon to smallpox. like anthrax it could be "weaponized". its carried in rodent droppings and you get it when you clean them up and they get into the air. so one could target populations through air drops or more specific targets through ventilation systems

When will Islam die out? I don't think it will truly ever die out, but i think it will start declining rapidly (just as all other religions) within about a century.

- In a world of super-advanced science and technology, such as genetic engineering, nanotechnology and artificial intelligence, there will be little room left for religion.

- It may become possible to raise animals like chimpanzees and dolphins into sentience. Human intelligence will be no longer unique.

- If AIs emerge as beings that will be far superior to our own, this will raise serious questions about god. They will become near omnipotent beings and their abilities will look to us like magic. To us, they will be like gods. To them, we will be like flies.

- We don't know where the current situation in the Middle East will be heading. It is possible that in a few decades, the situation will escalate. It is possible sites like Jerusalem and Mecca will be destroyed in nuclear exchange.

- Finally, the impossibility of the pilgrimage over interstellar distances will probably prevent muslims from leaving our solar system.

Joint operation, FBI and FBATF.
only at the end. the atf went on on a sunday morning thinking that they would all be at church. too bad they dint know that it was a branch of the seventh day adventists who go to church on saturday

thats what makes it a superior weapon to smallpox. like anthrax it could be "weaponized". its carried in rodent droppings and you get it when you clean them up and they get into the air. so one could target populations through air drops or more specific targets through ventilation systems

THis proves that you have heared of Hanta but don't know anything about it in reality.

In reality, rat shit is in EVERY ventilation system inEVERY building in the industrialized world. Many rats carry the virus. If what you present is true, then we would have had trouble long before now.

As someone, who cleaned ventilation for a living, astutely put it, "the only way to communicate Hanta person to person is to tongue-kiss a bitch with a mouth full of rat shit."

thats what makes it a superior weapon to smallpox. like anthrax it could be "weaponized". its carried in rodent droppings and you get it when you clean them up and they get into the air. so one could target populations through air drops or more specific targets through ventilation systems

Isn't weaponizing a virus difficult though. I gather it is quite beyond people who spend the ages 13-25 exclusively memorizing the Qu'ran. (As good muslims are supposed to do).

And the FBI murdered 78 men, women, and children for no good reason.

Sorry..don't mean to hijack, but I HATE it when people \insinuate that the Branch Davidians were terrorists.

And for the convencience we just forget the dozen of other children and woman who were shot by members of the sect themselves, just because they either didn't want to fight (not only shot, but also strangled or beaten to death).
And when the fight was lost, they shot everyone who tried to escape and burned the place so they where sure everyone would die.
Yeah, those Branch Davidians where quite lovely people...

Nope I will live through the small pox plague. Thank you military forcing all of us to get small pox shots after 9/11
Not everyone got one, and there aren't enough to give everyone a shot.

The US has stockpiled enough for every American, theoretically. Most European nations have some.

The rest of the world would be screwed in a major way. And if you figure that in a country that's actually getting near those 90 percent figures, the rest of the civilization in that region would vanish.

The world's population would probably drop to around 1 billion inside of a year, with most of the casualties being outside Western countries, and tragicomically, wiping out the vast majority of Muslims on the planet.

But, as Zarqawi points out, it's worth it if they manage to kill a few infidels in the process.

When will Islam die out? I don't think it will truly ever die out, but i think it will start declining rapidly (just as all other religions) within about a century.

- In a world of super-advanced science and technology, such as genetic engineering, nanotechnology and artificial intelligence, there will be little room left for religion.

- It may become possible to raise animals like chimpanzees and dolphins into sentience. Human intelligence will be no longer unique.

- If AIs emerge as beings that will be far superior to our own, this will raise serious questions about god. They will become near omnipotent beings and their abilities will look to us like magic. To us, they will be like gods. To them, we will be like flies.

- We don't know where the current situation in the Middle East will be heading. It is possible that in a few decades, the situation will escalate. It is possible sites like Jerusalem and Mecca will be destroyed in nuclear exchange.

- Finally, the impossibility of the pilgrimage over interstellar distances will probably prevent muslims from leaving our solar system.

You're probably right there. But this too raises a number of important points. I'd suggest reading "The Age of Spiritual Machines" by Ray Kurzweil. AI's will have the same powers as humans, because AI's will be born from humans. Naturally, we will expand ourselves first. It's in human nature to put ourselves first. The AI's and humanity will share roughly equal power.

I don't think religion will die out. The question of God will certainly be answered soon. Unless some kind of nuclear war takes out every last vestige of technology, which is possible, technology will lead us down the path of the godless, which spells A-R-M-A-G-E-D-D-O-N in pretty much every religion. My guess is that if any of these are correct, the big guy's gonna come down here and start kicking ass and taking names. So our questions will certainly be answered.

only at the end. the atf went on on a sunday morning thinking that they would all be at church. too bad they dint know that it was a branch of the seventh day adventists who go to church on saturday

Uhmm..you really don't know about the situation as it went down, do you?

Here's the skinny. The FBI was in a standoof with David Koresh for 52 days. He was stalling, keeping his people alive and out of prison, because htey had committed no crime. On the last day, the FBI and ATF opened fire, as documented by thermal imaging evidence, and then pumped an incredibly flammable nerve agent into the building. It ignited, killing nearly everyone inside (most were huddled in a saferoom), and conveniently left an out in case anyone sought to question the bullet holes in the bodies of unarmed children.

And for the convencience we just forget the dozen of other children and woman who were shot by members of the sect themselves, just because they either didn't want to fight (not only shot, but also strangled or beaten to death).
And when the fight was lost, they shot everyone who tried to escape and burned the place so they where sure everyone would die.
Yeah, those Branch Davidians where quite lovely people...

See my last post. You think the fire was set by the Davidians. Logic states otherwise.

You're probably right there. But this too raises a number of important points. I'd suggest reading "The Age of Spiritual Machines" by Ray Kurzweil. AI's will have the same powers as humans, because AI's will be born from humans. Naturally, we will expand ourselves first. It's in human nature to put ourselves first. The AI's and humanity will share roughly equal power.

I don't think AIs will be of equal power. They will eventually supercede us since they will be only bound to physical limits, not biological ones. They will be able to think many orders of magnitude faster than us.


I don't think religion will die out. The question of God will certainly be answered soon. Unless some kind of nuclear war takes out every last vestige of technology, which is possible, technology will lead us down the path of the godless, which spells A-R-M-A-G-E-D-D-O-N in pretty much every religion. My guess is that if any of these are correct, the big guy's gonna come down here and start kicking ass and taking names. So our questions will certainly be answered.

Hmmm... i don't think so. It's also possible humanity will simply expand into space and live happily amongst the galaxy for millions of years to come. :D

EDIT: If you think technology will lead us to being godless (which may very well be the case), then consider ignoring technology will lead us to extinction. The ecosystem is in decline, it's only a matter of time before we exhaust the natural resources. Therefor, advancing technology sufficiently is our only chance of survival.

See my last post. You think the fire was set by the Davidians. Logic states otherwise.

CS is not a nerve gas, nor is it flammable. CS grenades DO have a pyrotechnic component, but not sufficient to start fires unless there's already a flammable substance around.

I recall that the investigation (even by non-government people) concluded that the Davidians had spread the gasoline in certain areas, and that the government's use of CS grenades and ramming the buildings (thereby turning them into inescapable piles of kindling) and the unusually high winds turned the whole place into a rotisserie.

It sounds like idiocy on both sides. If they wanted to arrest Koresh, they could have waited until he did his daily mail stop at the local post office, and picked him up there.

thats what makes it a superior weapon to smallpox. like anthrax it could be "weaponized". its carried in rodent droppings and you get it when you clean them up and they get into the air. so one could target populations through air drops or more specific targets through ventilation systems
To contain smallpox they had to burn everything the person was in contact with. Remember that with each generation that has never been exposed to smallpox the death rate goes up, so the younger the infected person the more likely that they would die. (As mentioned previously in populations with no natural resistance to it it killed 90%, amongst Europeans/Asians it was about 30%)
Influeza is great, massively infectious and the last big one killed around 100 million people.
Ebola could be fun.
The trick is weaponizing them which is actually kind of easy for virologists/molecular biologists/etc. And in some cases isn't really necessary.

Interestingly, the Bubonic Plague is not terribly infectious and is not very lethal. So now they are beginning to look at the reports from the middle ages that spoke of people bleeding out, which suggests haemorrhagic fevers.

Now the absolute best bioweapon would be to release a few at a time. Smallpox/Flu/Ebola variants would get damn near everyone. I did once read that the Russians had done this.

I don't think AIs will be of equal power. They will eventually supercede us since they will be only bound to physical limits, not biological ones. They will be able to think many orders of magnitude faster than us.


You don't think that we humans will be modified? My guess is that human substrate (i.e. biological) will become unnecessary by 2050, and that by 2090 it will literally be meaningless. Intelligence is going to merge. It will probably get to the point where humanity is defined by thought, and census is taken by number of calculations performed per second in the world. We already have minor cyborg technology right now- pacemakers, replacement limbs, and some of the newer models of hearing aides. But soon we will have link-ups that will allow us to do things like type by thought, carry computer files in our brains, and turn lights on and off by thought. The ultimate in this technology will be the transition of our beings from human biological substrate to computer substrate. Humanity as it is now will likely become extinct, and will certainly be inferior to this new creation. Even time may lose its meaning to us as existence becomes defined by calculations.

The AIs will be of equal power, because there will be no difference between "them" and "us"... in fact, there may not even be a degree of seperation between them and us.

I strongly suggest you read Kurzweil's work.

the religion of Islam had far further advanced cultures than the whole of Medieaval Christendom. eg. they invented hand grenades, while we were fiddling about with "which wood makes the best spear?"

Islam will "die" when there are no more followers. The same goes for Judaism and Christianity and every otherscrewed up misinformed religion out there.

I'm getting a bit sick of the constant references to the IRA.
The IRA were and are communists!

To me they look more like gang thugs who use use things like religeon as a weapon

You don't think that we humans will be modified? My guess is that human substrate (i.e. biological) will become unnecessary by 2050, and that by 2090 it will literally be meaningless. Intelligence is going to merge. It will probably get to the point where humanity is defined by thought, and census is taken by number of calculations performed per second in the world. We already have minor cyborg technology right now- pacemakers, replacement limbs, and some of the newer models of hearing aides. But soon we will have link-ups that will allow us to do things like type by thought, carry computer files in our brains, and turn lights on and off by thought. The ultimate in this technology will be the transition of our beings from human biological substrate to computer substrate. Humanity as it is now will likely become extinct, and will certainly be inferior to this new creation. Even time may lose its meaning to us as existence becomes defined by calculations.

The AIs will be of equal power, because there will be no difference between "them" and "us"... in fact, there may not even be a degree of seperation between them and us.

I strongly suggest you read Kurzweil's work.

Oh ok, i think i understand your point now. So anyways, in such a world, religion will likely become irrelevant.

Edit: I'ma see if i get towards reading that book. Sounds interesting :)

I don't think religion will die out. The question of God will certainly be answered soon. Unless some kind of nuclear war takes out every last vestige of technology, which is possible, technology will lead us down the path of the godless, which spells A-R-M-A-G-E-D-D-O-N in pretty much every religion. My guess is that if any of these are correct, the big guy's gonna come down here and start kicking ass and taking names. So our questions will certainly be answered. I'm an agnostic personally, so the possibilty of anything so ridiculous occuring seems to me to be pretty minute. However, that certainly does not spell the end of religion. I believe that as technology advances, religion will go two ways. Some will try and "stay true" to their notions and beliefs (and thus rapidly face irrelevancy) or they will re-invent themselves. Adapt to the social climate as it were, hell that's what religion is good at. Look at Christmas.

I seriously doubt that religion will cease to exist in any real way for at least another ten thousand years. There's now growing evidence that many humans are born with an inbuilt part of their brain devoted to faith. Think of it as a necessary evolutionary crutch to help us deal with what we don't understand or what we can't directly engage with. A psychological shield from which people can divine strength, come together as a social group and rationalise their world.

the religion of Islam had far further advanced cultures than the whole of Medieaval Christendom. eg. they invented hand grenades, while we were fiddling about with "which wood makes the best spear?"

And then we invented computers, atom bombs, robotics, and medicine while they were fiddling with "Does Allah allow women out in the street?"

To me they look more like gang thugs who use use things like religeon as a weapon
Meh. Most "Freedom Fighters"/"Terrorists" are just trumped up gangsters.

I'm an agnostic personally, so the possibilty of anything so ridiculous occuring seems to me to be pretty minute. However, that certainly does not spell the end of religion. I believe that as technology advances, religion will go two ways. Some will try and "stay true" to their notions and beliefs (and thus rapidly face irrelevancy) or they will re-invent themselves. Adapt to the social climate as it were, hell that's what religion is good at. Look at Christmas.

I seriously doubt that religion will cease to exist in any real way for at least another ten thousand years. There's now growing evidence that many humans are born with an inbuilt part of their brain devoted to faith. Think of it as a nessecary evolutionary crutch to help us deal with what we don't understand or what we can't directly engage with. A psychological shield from which people can divine strength, come together as a social group and rationalise their world.


Then there is the other idea, which is that there IS a God, there IS a moral limit, and there IS a way we should live our lives. I've seen evidence every which way, and for me anyway, the jury's still out. Compelling facts and philosophies go every which way. I tend to think there is a God, and so far the religion whose core principles make the most sense to me is Judaism, but I tend to believe in the divinity of Christ as well. I think though, that most "religious" people are dead wrong in certain elements, i.e. the idea that gays are less holy than themselves. If I recall correctly, ALL sin is equal in the eyes of God, meaning they're no different to God than a bloodthirsty serial killer.

I think if there is one sin that would be a definite sin, it would be turning one's back on God, but that does give rise to the questions- who is God? What constitutes turning your back on God?

And for the convencience we just forget the dozen of other children and woman who were shot by members of the sect themselves, just because they either didn't want to fight (not only shot, but also strangled or beaten to death).
And when the fight was lost, they shot everyone who tried to escape and burned the place so they where sure everyone would die.
Yeah, those Branch Davidians where quite lovely people...

touche'

I think if there is one sin that would be a definite sin, it would be turning one's back on God Wait... so even if I lead an honest life, help people and try to be as decent as I can, unless I worship some dude in the sky and his hippy kid, I'm doomed to an eternity in hell?

Wait... so even if I lead an honest life, help people and try to be as decent as I can, unless I worship some dude in the sky and his hippy kid, I'm doomed to an eternity in hell?

Allow me to repeat the last questions.


Who is God? What constitutes turning your back on God?


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<edit> And nobody said anything about anyone burning in hell for any reason. For all I know, the afterlife could be just like a particularly potent ten-hit acid trip, that just doesn't end, and what kind of trip you have is just based on what you did in life.

Oooh, wouldn't that be fun... </edit>
<2nd edit> Remind me to have a lot more sex before i die.</2nd edit>

having only read the first few posts...

islam, as someone said, is one of the largest religions in the world. the largest is budhist, but only cuz of china (1 billion population really helps)

islam is one of the greatest religions as well, being a christian (christian moravian to be exact), its rather easy for me to see how its such a great religion. the teachings of muhamad (sp, sowwy) are clearly stated in the Koran (sorry again, i know, it starts with 'qu') and in this holy book, it clearly states guidelines for how each muslim should run their lives. basically, it says they should kill or attack unless out of defense (which is cool by my standards) and things like that

however!

it is the muslim extremists that are the problem (ie ~ Osama Bin Laden) because they claim to be of the islamic religion, yet, here they are killing people. muhammad is turning in his grave, i tell ya...

ps ~ jews have had it much worse IMO...

And then we invented computers, atom bombs, robotics, and medicine while they were fiddling with "Does Allah allow women out in the street?"
The oppression of women is not Islamic. No where in the Koran does it state that women should be repressed. In fact, women are represented more in the Koran than they are in the Bible. Traditionally, Islam respects women and is a beautiful, peaceful religion, based strongly on tradition. However, fanatic regimes and governments are to blame for allowing Islam to be perceived as a violent and sexist religion. Fanatics also exist in every religion.

Animals like Bin Laden claim to be Muslim, but they are not really. Their extreme interpretation of the Koran goes against their religion.

As far as I know, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. If Catholicism didn't exist, I'd be Islamic (by choice), that's how much I respect Islam (the theory of it, not the fanatical interpretation).

These days they are good for nothing and we are just helping along a worthless cause that will amount to nothing.
To say that Muslims are 'good for nothing' is extremely prejudice and ignorant. Also, who is 'we'? The Western world/America? If so, I wouldn't say America is helping the Middle East at all (which by the way, is not a 'worthless cause'). Quite the opposite in fact.

the religion of Islam had far further advanced cultures than the whole of Medieaval Christendom. eg. they invented hand grenades, while we were fiddling about with "which wood makes the best spear?"

Actually, the Chinese invented hand grenades.

On the whole, this is a pretty stupid thread. It's very design is to make people angry or perpetuate stupidity by saying stupid things.

Not everyone got one, and there aren't enough to give everyone a shot.

The US has stockpiled enough for every American, theoretically. Most European nations have some.

The rest of the world would be screwed in a major way. And if you figure that in a country that's actually getting near those 90 percent figures, the rest of the civilization in that region would vanish.would slowly wipe out Russia and China too.

On the whole, this is a pretty stupid thread. It's very design is to make people angry or perpetuate stupidity by saying stupid things.
As you would expect from the original trolling post.

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