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Preamble

We, the Meritocratic Representative Republicans, or Meritocrats, hereby declare on the truth that all people have certain rights that they possess, that these rights include but are not limited to life, liberty, and property, and that political suffrage should not be granted on accidental location of birth, age, education, or wealth but on a person's altruism and placement of society over themselves.

Article 1 RIGHTS OF SERVICE

1. Except on prior conviction of felony, legal minority, or an inability to comprehend presented legal obligations, all people are entitled to the right to Service. Service is to entail a period of work of exactly two years, or up to five upon legislative approval, performing rigorous work to better the general welfare, provide for the common defense, protect the peace, promote justice and create a more perfect union. Servicepeople are to be granted basic living accomodations, namely sustenance and shelter, and given minimum wage. A Serviceperson is to go through rigorous work and training, but may only be removed upon voluntary resignation or if he presents a threat to others and good order in his position. Also, said Serviceperson may choose their preference of Service profession but the ultimate decision is in the hands of the central government. Upon successful completion of service, Servicepeople are to be granted suffrage.

2. Upon conviction of a felony, a Serviceperson is to be relieved of their suffrage unless proven innocent thereafter.

3. All other rights are to be bestowed upon those who have not successfully completed a term of Service as well as those who have.

Article 2 PROTECTION OF RIGHTS

1. The Federal government reserves the right to intervene in state matters wherein life, liberty, and property are unlawfully threatened.

Article 3 PERSONAL RIGHTS

1. Life, liberty, and property are not to be taken except after due judicial process by a jury of twelve peers.

2. Freedom of Speech shall not impugned excepting the prosecution of malicious libel or slander. The people may also petition.

3. The people may gather peaceably and in cooperation with law and order.

4. No one or their belongings is to be subjected to search unless under judicial order by probable cause by oath or affirmation with said person or objects to be seized or searched.

5. The government is to provide a quick and speedy trial to all peoples, and not to post exorbitant fines. A person shall not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. The government shall not take people's property without due monetary compensation.

6. Law abiding people are not to be deprived of firearms.

7. All other rights are not to be the business of the central federal government but rather by the individual states.

Article 4 ECONOMICS

1. The central government is not to apply any income taxes to the people.

2. Property is a right of the people and as such they shall be able to keep their property, and it shall not be seized by the government without due monetary compensation.

3. Except after a legislative vote greater than 60%, any budget proposals must be balanced.

Someone's been reading starship troopers.

If you start a political party, please announce it here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418608). Please don't expect me to run around checking if there are new ones all the time. ;)

Now, if you intend to stand in tomorrow's election, you will need to have a full, official manifesto written out today. Any party without one when I go onto my computer tomorrow morning (French time) will not be entitled to stand.

This seems to me to be an interesting idea indeed, and I might join you in your endevour. :)

Will you be posting a full manifesto? I'd like to get your party's views on civil rights, economy, taxation, governance, etc. before commiting myself to this project.

Oh, I was just posting stuff, I didn't know there was an election, but if there is then I guess I should check it out. I didn't mean to make it hard for anyone, sorry. I'll finish up my party manifesto in that case.

And yes, as I said, I was reading Starship Troopers. ;)

Article 4 ECONOMICS

1. The central government is not to apply any income tax or indirect taxes to the people.

How then would the government fund education, health care, the military, public works, etc?

Pretty much every other way, really, but I'm thinking tariffs and a rebated sales tax. I'm going to take out the indirect bit because it's too vague, now that I think about it.

Any other suggestions?

How then would the government fund education, health care, the military, public works, etc?
Considering the large amount of "rigorous work and training" that is being extorted from the populace, he would have pretty good odds their. I like how he places people's right to property (a potentially unlimited quanitity) over their right to the fruits of their labors and the years of their lives (a very limited quanitity).

Considering the large amount of "rigorous work and training" that is being extorted from the populace, he would have pretty good odds their. I like how he places people's right to property (a potentially unlimited quanitity) over their right to the fruits of their labors and the years of their lives (a very limited quanitity).

Since it belongs to someone, time and effort could be considered property. More directly it would be considered part of the right of life, which I listed BEFORE property. And the service wouldn't be forced labor, either, because it would be voluntary- no one HAS to do it, only those who have altruism enough would. I would prefer that not everyone perform a term of service, as well, unless everyone is altruistic which is more than likely never going to happen except through incredible means.

Hard Work Service Freedom

Vote NS Meritocratic Representative Republicans (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423271)

HOT!!! After reading your manifesto (and your oh-so-cool slogan), I don't even need to bother with any of the other parties. You've got my vote.

I would like to direct the leader of the MRR to this thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423366

Well, I must say that for the most part I like what your platform represents. You have my support. Are you looking for actual party members?

I most certainly am looking for party members- it would be wonderful to have supporters join my party. :)

Well then, you have your first official party member.

/insert winning smile: :D

And you can add me to the membership list!

Let me now adopt the party's official cheesy grin :D

Ah that's better!

Jarvisia

Count me in, the most sane political party involved in the election by far.

To all interested- can any of you make images for banners etc.? That would help a lot.

A big welcome to Jarvisia and Undelia! :)

Zeth, I'm afraid that I haven't the skill, knowledge, or programs to make up some nice posters for our party. :(
Its unfortunate, but at the moment, it would seem that we will remain posterless....

Perhaps during the next election, if we still haven't any members with the skills for this, we can find someone outside of the party to take on the project. Hmmm...

I may be able to throw some posters together. I will use that slogan on the first page of the thread.

Great, thank you very much. I look forward to seeing your work. :)

Well i posted a poster on that official NS elecetion poster page. Its not great though, turned out fuzzy. :(

Well, I think your poster looks really nice, good work. /applause :)
Actually, I think it would be cool if Zeth put it at the top of the manifesto post, kind of like our callcard. Zeth, what do you think?

I can't seem to find it- I'd be glad to put it up however. Could you post it here Undelia?

sure, here it is

http://banksofutopia.4t.com/images/poster_3.jpg

edit: dang freeservers, anybody have any ideas on how I can upload these posters? It keeps saying the files are invalid when i just try to atatch them.

Well, I have decided to make a little list of how we can get along with other parties in the parliament, please feel free to comment.

Cult of TInk Party- Monarchial and socialistic but I think they are reasonable and I think we can cooperate and come to compromises with them

Democratic Socialist Party- Very communist and support a very strong central government, though they do support representative democracy, they will be hard to reason with.

Mole and other Burrowing Rodents Alliance- Anarchic, authoritarian, unrealistic surfacer haters. We shouldn’t take them seriously.

NS Classic Liberals- Support a free market and have interesting ideas about an advisory council of experts for the governmet. However, their unrealistic monetary system along with some socialistic tendencies are a definite negative. However they do seem to be open to states rights which leads me to believe that we can work with them.

Party of Order- Evil, idiotic, authoritarian. We should not take them seriously.

Party of whatever Works- They support small government, civil rights and military preparedness. We should get along with them fairly well.

Revolutionary Trotskyist Party- Revolutionary communists who are anti-free speech and extremely pro- big government. I am afraid we will not be able to work with them at all.

United Democratic Communists- By far the most communist party. They have many idiotic policies toward consent age and the military. The fact that they support mandatory I.D. cards scares the living daylights out of me. They support a from of anarchic direct democracy. We will not be able to work with them either.

“Up Yours” Party- The up yours party is authoritarian. They do, however, support small government so I think we will be able to cooperate.

NS Classic Liberals- Support a free market but view intelligence not altruism to be the determinant for Suffrage. Their unrealistic and idiotic monetary system along with socialistic tendencies are a definite negative. However they do seem to be open to states rights which leads me to believe that we can work with them.


What do you consider to be unrealistic and idiotic about our monetary system. All we are doing is going back to a real value system?

Intelligence is not a qualification for sufferage. There are three categories of sufferage:
General - for the legislative body: all adult citizens
Judicial: - For the judiciary all graduated adult citizens
Consultory - For the consultory body Only those qualified in or experienced in the relevent subject. For military subjects this would require service for example, for transport - logistics or civbil engineering etc.

We are however, as you rightly pointed out, willing to work on a state basis with maximum autonomy granted to the states.

What do you consider to be unrealistic and idiotic about our monetary system. All we are doing is going back to a real value system.

I apolagize for calling it idiotic. I was rather irate from reading the communist parties' manifestos. Your heart is in the right price, your party's idea is just not feasible.

Intelligence is not a qualification for sufferage. There are three categories of sufferage:
General - for the legislative body: all adult citizens
Judicial: - For the judiciary all graduated adult citizens
Consultory - For the consultory body Only those qualified in or experienced in the relevent subject. For military subjects this would require service for example, for transport - logistics or civbil engineering etc.


It would probably help your party if you posted this summary on your manifesto.

We are however, as you rightly pointed out, willing to work on a state basis with maximum autonomy granted to the states.

Good for you guys! Well, I am off to edit my post. You have effectivly humbled me and I am not above admitting that I was wrong.

I apolagize for calling it idiotic. I was rather irate from reading the communist parties' manifestos. Your heart is in the right price, your party's idea is just not feasible.


Well that will just have to be a point of discussion after we have collectively kicked the collectivists butts.

Alright, these are the posters. Hope you guys aprove.

http://img92.echo.cx/img92/6455/anticommunistposter0bg.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img294.echo.cx/img294/3109/poster6rw.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

Well, I have decided to make a little list of how we can get along with other parties in the parliament, please feel free to comment.

Will do. :)

Cult of TInk Party- Monarchial and socialistic but I think they are reasonable and I think we can cooperate and come to compromises with them

From what I have read, it seems that they are taking steps to evolve from a fanclub to a solid political formation with a concrete agenda. Whether they will succeed or fail in this endevour remains to be seen, and whether they will determin themselves to be closer to the center or the absolute left will ultimatly decide our relations with them. I think its a little to early to call this one, but I think we should watch this formation closely.

Democratic Socialist Party- Very communist and support a very strong central government, though they do support representative democracy, they will be hard to reason with.

Well, I must say that I myself am supportive of a strong central government, but I'm not American so I never really experienced the struggle between federal and state sovereignty. Please do keep in mind that this is an NS government we're forming, and some of us non-Americans don't view party programs along the lines of the American political reality. That being said, I feel I must state that to me Socialist has always meant one thing, tax burden. As much as I do find it noble that Socialists work to increase the standard of living for the lower classes, being of working class stock myself, I don't agree that the way to do this is by extorting large portions of a man's pay check from him in order to fund a "social safety net". I think that ultimately it is this issue which makes the MRR a right wing party, and I seriously don't see myself coming to terms with a solidly left wing group such as this one.

Mole and other Burrowing Rodents Alliance- Anarchic, authoritarian, unrealistic surfacer haters. We shouldn’t take them seriously.

Agree in full.

NS Classic Liberals- Support a free market and have interesting ideas about an advisory council of experts for the governmet. However, their unrealistic monetary system along with some socialistic tendencies are a definite negative. However they do seem to be open to states rights which leads me to believe that we can work with them.

Without going into a long, drawn out analysis, I must say that if we're going to cooperate with anyone once this election is done, it will be with the Classic Liberals. I think we share many ideals, and though we may differ on certain issues, overall we're on the same page.

Party of Order- Evil, idiotic, authoritarian. We should not take them seriously.

Agree in full.

Party of whatever Works- They support small government, civil rights and military preparedness. We should get along with them fairly well.

My problem with the PoWW is that they are neither here nor there. It will be interesting to see how they determin what works during debate sessions. Whether they swing left or right remains to be seen, but to me, the fact that they have no concrete political agenda suggests that they would make unreliable partners in the best of times. I don't think we can expect much from this party.

Revolutionary Trotskyist Party- Revolutionary communists who are anti-free speech and extremely pro- big government. I am afraid we will not be able to work with them at all.

You forgot to add that DHomme makes a mediocre leader, can't defend an argument, and has some very peculiar and unrealistic ideas about how a country should be run, and about the world in general. There is no way we could ever even consider working with the RTP.

United Democratic Communists- By far the most communist party. They have many idiotic policies toward consent age and the military. The fact that they support mandatory I.D. cards scares the living daylights out of me. They support a from of anarchic direct democracy. We will not be able to work with them either.

Couldn't agree more.

“Up Yours” Party- The up yours party is authoritarian. They do, however, support small government so I think we will be able to cooperate.

I've noticed that Melkor works very diligently to secure for himself as much authority as possible. The Classic Liberals, it is unfortunate to say, are already bending over for him. Make no mistake, if he does not win the election, he will do everything in his power to secure a 13 seat coalition which he can manipulate to secure for himself the position of de facto dictator. I reccommend that we don't help him along in this endevour.

http://img92.echo.cx/img92/6455/anticommunistposter0bg.png

I really like the new poster, by the way. You have talent. :)

I'll be glad to post these posters on the manifesto- however, if you would, could you change the outlining to this color of blue? That's our party color.

The reason why I chose a smaller type of government with more legislative power to the states was because I don't think it's fair to nationally impose societal rules regardless of what varying groups of people may think. I believe that the people should have the freedom to choose for themselves rather than distant government officials deciding for them, who may not even represent them.

Undelia, Crimson Sith, I will also take your suggestions considering other parties into account. They are well-thought out for the most part.

Please do keep in mind that this is an NS government we're forming, and some of us non-Americans don't view party programs along the lines of the American political reality.

Noted.

About government. I personally believe that the best form is a federal system. There should be small provinces with governments close to the people and a central government whose primary responsibility is defense of the provinces, to provide infrastructure that private businesses can't or won't and to insure that the provinces do not violate basic human rights. Of course I understand that in a relatively small country such as the UK, this can be quite difficult to implement.

I've noticed that Melkor works very diligently to secure for himself as much authority as possible. The Classic Liberals, it is unfortunate to say, are already bending over for him. Make no mistake, if he does not win the election, he will do everything in his power to secure a 13 seat coalition which he can manipulate to secure for himself the position of de facto dictator. I recommend that we don't help him along in this endeavor.

Hmmm, okay. We should be cautious about him then.

I'll be glad to post these posters on the manifesto- however, if you would, could you change the outlining to this color of blue? That's our party color.

You got it! :D Oh, and here is another.

http://img75.echo.cx/img75/8338/altruisticposter8mb.png

http://img156.echo.cx/img156/355/posterblue6uz.png

I've noticed that Melkor works very diligently to secure for himself as much authority as possible. The Classic Liberals, it is unfortunate to say, are already bending over for him. Make no mistake, if he does not win the election, he will do everything in his power to secure a 13 seat coalition which he can manipulate to secure for himself the position of de facto dictator. I reccommend that we don't help him along in this endevour.

Your concern in this respect is noted. As our principles do not really allow for an authority figure as such, we will not allow this to happen. I would suggest that you go look at where Melkor is coming from. In his sig is a link to objectivist philosophy, go and read it, it may change your perspective somewhat. However I do agree his style initially was vewry autocratic, but he himself admits that he stareted off as a joke, but became serious when he obtained some support.

We will not allow ourselves to be hijacked as you seem to fear. Otherwise I agree pretty much with your analysis, and it does appear that our two parties have much in common and little to divide us.

Undelia, please don't make any more posters that attack non-socialist/communist parties. This doesn't reflect our party policies.

Edit: You're evil undelia. :P

Undelia, please don't make any more posters that attack non-socialist/communist parties. This doesn't reflect our party policies.

Translation: Attack communists and socialists, got it boss. :D

DSP :sniper:

:gundge:
RTP

UDC :mp5:


[img=http://img93.echo.cx/img93/2586/comic8ex.th.png] (http://img93.echo.cx/my.php?image=comic8ex.png)


Edit: You're evil undelia. :P

Ahh, that hurts. :(

*hands Undelia a packet of magic shrinking dust*

Now use it on that image.

Translation: Attack communists and socialists, got it boss. :D

DSP :sniper:

:gundge:
RTP

UDC :mp5:


http://img74.echo.cx/img74/8591/comic3nc.png





Ahh, that hurts. :(

Perfect. You're no longer evil- I canonize you. ;)

Your concern in this respect is noted. As our principles do not really allow for an authority figure as such, we will not allow this to happen.

I'm sure we'll all be treated to a few surprises once this election is over. Sorry, but I'll have to wait and see for myself.

I would suggest that you go look at where Melkor is coming from. In his sig is a link to objectivist philosophy, go and read it, it may change your perspective somewhat.

I have read it. It doesn't change a thing. Please don't tell me that this is an argument against my above statements. Like, he's an objectivist, so he wouldn't do that? Are you kidding me man?

However I do agree his style initially was vewry autocratic, but he himself admits that he stareted off as a joke, but became serious when he obtained some support.

Yes, he became serious when he realized that he could actually dominate this election, and the parliament which will result from it.

We will not allow ourselves to be hijacked as you seem to fear.

We'll live, we'll see.

I was recently telegramed by a member of the Party of Whatever Works. This individual suggested we form a coalition of sorts. This person also seemed to think that the Cult of TInk party might be able to be convinced to join. What do y'all think?

NOTE:

A) DSP is NOT Communist. Communism is a branch of Socialism. And a lot of us a very much against Communism. Especially DEMOCRATIC Socialists. Communism is ANTI-Democratic. Get it right.

B) Tink will not join your coalition.

I was recently telegramed by a member of the Party of Whatever Works. This individual suggested we form a coalition of sorts. This person also seemed to think that the Cult of TInk party might be able to be convinced to join. What do y'all think?

I'm a PoWW member and I would be interested in a coalition with you guys. I'm not so sure about the TInks but hey if we can work something out then why not? I'll TG TInk about it. Personally I think we would work better with the Classic Liberals but the more the merrier right? Anyway if you want to discuss further drop as a line at our forums.

http://s2.phpbbforfree.com/forums/powwforum

In fairness, I'm not actually an authoritarian; I'm anything but as a point of fact. You'll note in my manifesto it states "My Ideal State is one with me in charge..." but that doesn't mean I regard 'My Ideal State' as a particularly realistic endeavor. The only reason that part is in there, in fact, is because I like to adhere to that old axiom: "If you want something done right, do it yourself."

Interestingly, I would actually seek to limit my power to such an extent so as to make any manner of authoritarianism impossible. I value dissent more than mindless compliance, as I feel it facilitates the thought process much more.

In short, that bit is in there more or less because I'm honest with myself and I'm not interested in jerking people around by dreaming about some sort of collectivist paradise where everything takes ten years to get done because everyone has to agree with it first. Perhaps I trust too much in my ability to reason and solve problems, who knows?

Oh, and one more thing:

I have read it. It doesn't change a thing. Please don't tell me that this is an argument against my above statements. Like, he's an objectivist, so he wouldn't do that?
Correct. Objectivism rejects the concept of using violence to enforce or create ideals or values within another person. You've read it, I guess, but you didn't understand it very well.

Melkor please note that the entire party doesn't feel the same way about you as Crimson Sith. I would actually prefer you joining the coalition I am trying to put together, but I am afraid you are far to controversial a figure. :(

I've been following this election and I'm a little baffled at the mistrust the right-wing parties (Liberals, Republicans, and Up Yours, mainly) seem to have for one another, when they are all essentially arguing for a libertarian or pseudo-libertarian platform.

In the MRR program, i actually think it is very libertarian, even the part about Service, because it basically says you gotta earn your keep and be responsable if you want something, i.e., nothing is handed to you.

What I don't get is that Up Yours basically has the same attitude, it is a VERY libertarian party in my estimation.

By the way, Heinlein was a libertarian. Don't believe me? Read Stranger in a Strange Land or the Moon is a Harsh Mistress :D

Melkor please note that the entire party doesn't feel the same way about you as Crimson Sith. I would actually prefer you joining the coalition I am trying to put together, but I am afraid you are far to controversial a figure. :(

Well, you should remember that my party is more individualistic than even the Classic Liberals. I can speak for myself of course, but "my" remaining two seats will have to be courted independently.

In short, if you want "my" votes, you'll probably have to work for them a bit. Xaosis Redux will sit beside me in Parliament, and I haven't settled on an appointee for the third seat, though Objectivist Patriots is a most promising candidate, provided I can get him to respond to my Telegrams.

EDIT: oh, and I'm most likely changing the Party moniker to "The Reason Party" after the election's over.

I've been following this election and I'm a little baffled at the mistrust the right-wing parties (Liberals, Republicans, and Up Yours, mainly) seem to have for one another, when they are all essentially arguing for a libertarian or pseudo-libertarian platform.

That is why I am trying to bridge the extremely small gaps between our partys, Unfortunatly it seems that some people have some rather unfortunate hang ups. :(

In the MRR program, i actually think it is very libertarian, even the part about Service, because it basically says you gotta earn your keep and be responsable if you want something, i.e., nothing is handed to you.

Well, if you are a liberatarian, perhaps you should vote NSMRR. ;)

Correct. Objectivism rejects the concept of using violence to enforce or create ideals or values within another person. You've read it, I guess, but you didn't understand it very well.

This isn't a question of my understanding the concept of what being an objectivist implies, please don't insult my intelligence. What is in question is whether or not you would stick to these ideals once you were in a position of power. Honestly, I see you as a sort of wolf in sheep's clothing.

Melkor please note that the entire party doesn't feel the same way about you as Crimson Sith. I would actually prefer you joining the coalition I am trying to put together, but I am afraid you are far to controversial a figure. :(

How quick you are to turn on a fellow party member in favor of an outside interest. No loyalties here, hey Undelia?

How quick you are to turn on a fellow party member in favor of an outside interest. No loyalties here, hey Undelia?

I was merely expressing an opinion. However, I wouldn't support an outside interest without the full support of the party.

P.S. You have a telegram.

Undelia: I have responded to your telegram. ;)

And I to yours.

This isn't a question of my understanding the concept of what being an objectivist implies, please don't insult my intelligence. What is in question is whether or not you would stick to these ideals once you were in a position of power. Honestly, I see you as a sort of wolf in sheep's clothing.
A valid point; I've noticed people have a tendancy to abandon their ideals once they gain power. Of course I can't persuade you to agree that I won't abandon my philosophy under these circumstances. If you choose not to trust me, that's your perogative. I can't really change your mind.

A valid point; I've noticed people have a tendancy to abandon their ideals once they gain power. Of course I can't persuade you to agree that I won't abandon my philosophy under these circumstances. If you choose not to trust me, that's your perogative. I can't really change your mind.

I'm not quick to trust, which I'm sure you can sympathize with. Trust is earned. I am watching all parties involved in this process attentivly. Perhaps for now, it is simply to early to call someone's intentions without error. I'd rather stay on my guard. I should hope that you can respect my position.

I'm not quick to trust, which I'm sure you can sympathize with. Trust is earned. I am watching all parties involved in this process attentivly. Perhaps for now, it is simply to early to call someone's intentions without error. I'd rather stay on my guard. I should hope that you can respect my position.
Very good. Thinking for yourself. I must commend you for this.

Our party representation is as follows

Zethistania (1st Seat)
Crimson Sith (2nd Seat)

I gladly accept an alliance with PoWW. As well, we are entering into a coalition with the Classic Liberals and Up Yours party in order to better defend against the leftist bloc in parliament.

I must say that I am very proud of what has been accomplished. For a party made on a whim on the second to last day without any knowledge of an election, I must say we did pretty darn well with more than 9% of the total vote. I congratulate and honor all of our party members who helped to achieve this victory. Now, we must turn our attentions to parliament in which we must defend the rights of life, liberty, and property and promote the virtue of altruistic suffrage through service to create a better world for all mankind.

Thank you and long live the Meritocratic Representative Republicans.

Congratulations on your performance. We, as a party, look forward to working with you in parliament.

I humbly accept your appointment to parliament, and do swear to represent the ideals and policies of the The Meritocratic Representative Republicans in an honorable and diligant manner.

I must, if for the last time, advise against entering into a broad sweeping right wing coalition which, in my humble opinion, will not in any way further our cause as a party, and as representatives of those who chose to vote for us. It must be noted that we gained our position in this parliament on the basis of a program which is unique in its promotion of the concept of altruistic suffrage, not on the basis of right v.s. left rethoric. I am concerned that our own meritocratic ideals will be quickly lost in the storm of partisan politics, which in essence would make this small party of ours defunct. If our core group of supporters interpret the situation in this way, they may very well turn their backs on us in the next election seeking a fresher alternative to the old and tired "us against them" pattern. If you insist on entering into this coalition, then I will comply. But please do take my words into consideration before making a final decision in this matter.

I must, if for the last time, advise against entering into a broad sweeping right wing coalition which, in my humble opinion, will not in any way further our cause as a party, and as representatives of those who chose to vote for us. It must be noted that we gained our position in this parliament on the basis of a program which is unique in its promotion of the concept of altruistic suffrage, not on the basis of right v.s. left rethoric. I am concerned that our own meritocratic ideals will be quickly lost in the storm of partisan politics, which in essence would make this small party of ours defunct. If our core group of supporters interpret the situation in this way, they may very well turn their backs on us in the next election seeking a fresher alternative to the old and tired "us against them" pattern. If you insist on entering into this coalition, then I will comply. But please do take my words into consideration before making a final decision in this matter

I’m going to have to agree. Why be a puppet of the classic liberals and the PoWW when we could be a fresh alternative? Anyway, if either of you has any requests for anything media related (posters, cartoons, propaganda vicious libel) TG me. :D

I don't expect the coalition to be completely binding, since all of us disagree in some places. But we are a small party, and we need to give the other parties some incentive to work alongside us- that issue with which we need to pass being altruistic suffrage. Needless to say, coalition or not, the 'right' parties would probably be more willing to vote the same on the issues with us than the 'left' parties. I am not tossing away our independence- I am trying to find common ground with those who would agree with us so that we are trying to work together, and of course I reserve the party's right to vote differently should a 'right' coalition do something disagreeable.

I don't expect the coalition to be completely binding, since all of us disagree in some places. But we are a small party, and we need to give the other parties some incentive to work alongside us- that issue with which we need to pass being altruistic suffrage.

I highly doubt that the other right wing parties will support our meritocratic program. It would seem that altruistic suffrage is directly contrary to their ideologies, so I don't really understand why it is that you would expect them to support its implementation.

Needless to say, coalition or not, the 'right' parties would probably be more willing to vote the same on the issues with us than the 'left' parties.

We would vote similarly on issues we agree on even in the absence of a coalition.

I am not tossing away our independence- I am trying to find common ground with those who would agree with us so that we are trying to work together, and of course I reserve the party's right to vote differently should a 'right' coalition do something disagreeable.

I am not accusing you of tossing away our independance, but as I have mentioned before, we will find "common ground" with parties that share our ideals with or without a coalition. I still don't see how entering into a coalition will give us anything we cannot attain while remaining independant. If we do enter into a coalition, however, we stand only to lose prestige and recognition amongst the voters. Even if this hypothetical coalition does achieve positive results, the credit will go to the larger, more prominent parties, something which you can be sure they are well aware of. We stand to lose our reputation as an independant, free standing political entity. The voters will not respect us more for allowing ourselves to be swept into right v.s. left partisan politics, they will, if anything, turn away from us, seeking a fresh and independant alternative. Presently, we are that independant alternative, a clear advantage you are throwing away. I strongly advise you against engaging us in this coalition, as it will only prove detremental to our cause.

I have decided, after careful deliberation, to postpone joining any coalition whatsoever until the environment of the parliament has been made more clear. After observation I will decide whether or not a coalition is necessary and beneficial to us, as currently it does not seem to be truly positive for us.

I would like to think that this should be the decision of the whole party. Are we to understand that you exersize dictatorial power over the MRR?

I would like to think that this should be the decision of the whole party. Are we to understand that you exersize dictatorial power over the MRR?
they just want to enslave you. join mobra or we blow up the earth! (http://img36.echo.cx/img36/7812/nuke0qy.jpg)

Citing Zethistania’s blatant absence from this Forum and his failure to vote on the parliamentary rules, while logging into his nation several time during its time before parliament, I hereby place before this party a proposition to remove Zethistania from his position as chairman of the party and as the MP. Crimson Sith will replace him as the party chairman, and more than likely, I will take his MP seat. I put this before the party, trusting you will do the right thing.

I am honored to accept Undelia's endorsement for my taking the Chairmanship of this, our Meritocratic Representative Republican Party. I would have to agree in full that Zethistania's absence since the end of the election is detrimental to the well being of our party. Furthermore, I would state that this lack of activity on our founder's part is a slight to all those brave souls who chose to vote for our party and our program. Therefore, in the interest of our party and our supporters, I call for Zethistania to step down from the Chairmanship of the NSMRRP.

Despite the rapid onsite of NS political apathy in my nation, I will condescend to reply here and state my view which is, if you want to replace the leader of the party, go ahead and do so.

There we have it. That’s a seventy-five percent majority. Crimson Sith you are the new Party Chairman! :D

I would like to thank the members for their support in this matter, and do humbly accept the appoint to Chairman of the NSMRRP.

As my first order of business, I will forward an official notice to Parliament that the party choses to replace Zethistania with Undelia as our second member of that institution.

We are pleased to see such decisive action in the face of apathy. Our congratulations. When Ariddia logs on she will be able to update the official records.

We thank Alien Born for the kind words and support. ;)

If possible, Galiris would like to join this party since two of its allies are also members.

Galiris, allow me to be the first to welcome you to the NSMRRP. :)

Today's Updates

1) Congratulations to Undelia, who has been recently confirmed by Parliament as the MRR's new second representative to that institution. :)

2) A new piece of legislation has been presented to Parliament for debate and voting, namely Official NS Parliamentary Debate #3: No Death Penalty (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429525).
I noticed that Undelia has already expressed his position in this debate, and I shall follow suite shortly. I invite our other party members to also familiarize themselves with the debate, and express their opinions here in our party thread.

3)Updated List of Members:

Crimson Sith: Chairman, Member of Parliament
Undelia: Member of Parliament
Jarvisia
Galiris

4)IMPORTANT
I feel it is time that we expand our party's manifesto, so that we may make our position known to potential members and voters on as wide a spectrum of issues as possible. Any suggestions and/or reccomendations in this matter are welcome, and will be duely considered.

It is notable that we lack a position on social issues. I, personally, feel that basic rights should be protected by a central government and that smaller jurisdictions should decide most matters, preferably by popular vote.

Also, I feel that limited restrictions should be placed on business to protect the environment. However, making the public aware of environmental concerns is the best safeguard against destruction of the environment through unfettered exploitation.

Freedom of religion is also something that should be mentioned. No state religion, and allowing people to practice peaceful religions in the way they see fit is paramount to a free society. I support freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. That doesn’t mean someone has to be religious. It just means that people have to accept that religious people are, and should be allowed to, publicly show their faith.

I'm not going to step down as party chairman. I was not informed of such a move in any official direct capacity, and also I had received oral surgery and was drugged up on morphine and was not able to apply. The only way you're going to pry my brainchild is from my cold, dead hands.

Undelia, I like the points you have made very much, and would like to see them all incorporated into our expanded manifesto. I have a bit of a proposition for you: why don't you write a draft of the expanded manifesto as you would like to see it. I will then review it, and should I see any further points I would like added, will add them to your initial draft. We can then present the finished draft to the party for approval, or eventual amendment.

If you are still accepting members, may I join the party? I agree with the platform, especially economically.

Vetalia, you may now be the MP. The rest of you are fired.

Vetalia, you may now be the MP. The rest of you are fired.

:confused: Really?

Wow, that's one hell of a promotion!

I'm not going to step down as party chairman. I was not informed of such a move in any official direct capacity, and also I had received oral surgery and was drugged up on morphine and was not able to apply. The only way you're going to pry my brainchild is from my cold, dead hands.

You were given ample time to respond to our challenge, as is aparent to all. You failed to participate both here, in the party thread, as well as the Parliamentary motions. The party could only assume your apathy, and taken matters into our own hands. This party, whether you like it or not, belongs to all the members, as well as the voters. It is not your personal dictatorship to command and abandon as you see fit. You have been removed, Parliament has confirmed your replacement. It seems rather shameless on your part that you have actually taken an interest in "your" party only when you have been removed from its ranks. That is all.

If you are still accepting members, may I join the party? I agree with the platform, especially economically.

Please ignore Zethistania, he was voted out of the party quite a while ago. You are of course welcome to join us, if you see fit to do so. But no, you are not an MP.

By the way Zethistania, you don't, and never did, have the authority to "fire" anyone. Grow up.

Please ignore Zethistania, he was voted out of the party quite a while ago. You are of course welcome to join us, if you see fit to do so. But no, you are not an MP.

By the way Zethistania, you don't, and never did, have the authority to "fire" anyone. Grow up.

Thanks. Is there a link to the party message board so I can join the discussion? I think it was towards the front, but I'm not sure.

I'll be on there either tomorrow or the Fifth, can't be 100% sure.

:confused: Really?

Wow, that's one hell of a promotion!

Yes, I'm serious.

You were given ample time to respond to our challenge, as is aparent to all. You failed to participate both here, in the party thread, as well as the Parliamentary motions. The party could only assume your apathy, and taken matters into our own hands. This party, whether you like it or not, belongs to all the members, as well as the voters. It is not your personal dictatorship to command and abandon as you see fit. You have been removed, Parliament has confirmed your replacement. It seems rather shameless on your part that you have actually taken an interest in "your" party only when you have been removed from its ranks. That is all.

I didn't get any kind of telegram at all to inform me of this notion. Did we take an election to write the constitution? No. Did we have an election to give you an MP seat? No. Who wrote the consitution? Me. Who made you MP? Me. I did it all by myself and I can take it back if I please, and no under-handed little overthrow while I'm bleeding from my gums is going to change that. Please point out to me where I said that the party could overthrow its chairman, because I very well can't remember any such. If the voters don't like it they can not vote for me, but that's the voters to decide and not party bosses.

Thanks. Is there a link to the party message board so I can join the discussion? I think it was towards the front, but I'm not sure.

I'll be on there either tomorrow or the Fifth, can't be 100% sure.

We don't have a party message board yet. Our former Chairman didn't have the foresight to errect one. We will eventually have such a message board, but I'd like to complete the initial restructuring of the party first.

Yes, I'm serious.



I didn't get any kind of telegram at all to inform me of this notion. Did we take an election to write the constitution? No. Did we have an election to give you an MP seat? No. Who wrote the consitution? Me. Who made you MP? Me. I did it all by myself and I can take it back if I please, and no under-handed little overthrow while I'm bleeding from my gums is going to change that. Please point out to me where I said that the party could overthrow its chairman, because I very well can't remember any such. If the voters don't like it they can not vote for me, but that's the voters to decide and not party bosses.

The voters didn't vote for you, they voted for the party. And party voted 3 votes to 0 to remove you. Have a nice day.

The voters didn't vote for you, they voted for the party. And party voted 3 votes to 0 to remove you. Have a nice day.

And they voted for the things that I wrote and I created. This party wouldn't even be here if I hadn't thought up all of the ideas and beliefs.

And they voted for the things that I wrote and I created. This party wouldn't even be here if I hadn't thought up all of the ideas and beliefs.

Actually, that's not true. During the election, Undelia and I were speaking over AIM and it turns out that we both had an idea similar to your own.

Actually, that's not true. During the election, Undelia and I were speaking over AIM and it turns out that we both had an idea similar to your own.

Oh, I'm sure you did, you who so readily and graciously accepted the party nomination without even asking me for my side of the story. But you sure as heck didn't post anything to that effect, and I doubt you would have seeing as how I posted the manifesto very late in the preparations.

Oh, I'm sure you did, you who so readily and graciously accepted the party nomination without even asking me for my side of the story. But you sure as heck didn't post anything to that effect, and I doubt you would have seeing as how I posted the manifesto very late in the preparations.

Yes yes, you are very angry and full of venom. If you would like to continue your protest, please take it up with Parliament. But do refrain from hijacking this thread any further.

Yes yes, you are very angry and full of venom. If you would like to continue your protest, please take it up with Parliament. But do refrain from hijacking this thread any further.

You are the one hijacking it, because you no longer belong to this party. I made this thread and the party. I'd have never thought you would have betrayed me, of all the people who joined.

You are the one hijacking it, because you no longer belong to this party. I made this thread and the party. I'd have never thought you would have betrayed me, of all the people who joined.

A very mature and level-headed response, to be sure. Once again, take it up with parliament. Neither the procedures of this party nor that of parliament will change simply becuase you say so. As is, you are no longer a member of this party, and therefore you are simply trolling this thread with your less than constructive commentary. Take it up with the proper authorities, and stop filling this thread with your spam.

A very mature and level-headed response, to be sure. Once again, take it up with parliament. Neither the procedures of this party nor that of parliament will change simply becuase you say so. As is, you are no longer a member of this party, and therefore you are simply trolling this thread with your less than constructive commentary. Take it up with the proper authorities, and stop filling this thread with your spam.

Fine. This thread is not needed anymore. All I wish that would have been done is that I had been A.) Informed of such a procedure and B.) Asked for my side. Nothing more.

Fine. This thread is not needed anymore.
Yes, everyone quick, /quitlife because Zethistania says so. :rolleyes:

All I wish that would have been done is that I had been A.) Informed of such a procedure and B.) Asked for my side. Nothing more.

You were given ample time to view this, supposedly YOUR party thread, and respond in your own defense. It seems you chose to ignore the proceedings. I'm sorry we didn't wait around indefinitly for you to grace us with your presence.

Yes, everyone quick, /quitlife because Zethistania says so. :rolleyes:

Stop twisting my words. I said nothing of the like, and I got the party a message board http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/1135082627. Just like you asked. If you'd like to settle this, please settle it there.


You were given ample time to view this, supposedly YOUR party thread, and respond in your own defense. It seems you chose to ignore the proceedings. I'm sorry we didn't wait around indefinitly for you to grace us with your presence.

You didn't send me anything about this procedure, no telegram at all, and I think that reflects poorly on you. If you were going to do what you thought was best for the party you could have at least sent a cautionary note and given me the benefit of the doubt instead of just taking over. I'm sorry if I'm angry, I just went through oral surgery and it hurts like hell and I've been drugged up like crazy so I'm not in the best of moods.

Stop twisting my words. I said nothing of the like, and I got the party a message board http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/1135082627. Just like you asked. If you'd like to settle this, please settle it there.

It has already been settled. If you would like to reapply for party membership, I welcome you to do so. But you are no longer Chairman of this party, nor a delegate to parliament. It is what it is.

You didn't send me anything about this procedure, no telegram at all, and I think that reflects poorly on you. If you were going to do what you thought was best for the party you could have at least sent a cautionary note and given me the benefit of the doubt instead of just taking over. I'm sorry if I'm angry, I just went through oral surgery and it hurts like hell and I've been drugged up like crazy so I'm not in the best of moods.

The fact that you didn't even notice anything was going on until today reflects poorly on you. And I'm sorry that I didn't feel it to be my responsibility to remind the Chairman of my party to take interest in his own party thread and in the goings on of parliament. Honestly, you wrote a half-assed manifesto and then rode myself and Undelia, happy to let us do the debating and allow us to promote the party while you sat back and did nothing. Doesn't work like that, sorry. Our hard work, our commitment, our party.

It has already been settled. If you would like to reapply for party membership, I welcome you to do so. But you are no longer Chairman of this party, nor a delegate to parliament. It is what it is.



The fact that you didn't even notice anything was going on until today reflects poorly on you. And I'm sorry that I didn't feel it to be my responsibility to remind the Chairman of my party to take interest in his own party thread and in the goings on of parliament. Honestly, you wrote a half-assed manifesto and then rode myself and Undelia, happy to let us do the debating and allow us to promote the party while you sat back and did nothing. Doesn't work like that, sorry. Our hard work, our commitment, our party.

Your actions are a deceitful, treacherous, powerhungry and backstabbing and you have spewn lies and venom in an effort to besmirch me. I offered you the opportunity to settle this honorably and I have explained why I was not able to do the debating for the second debate, yet you have acted so smug and condescending in that you would not do this. I was there promoting in the election every waking moment, and I have to say Undelia did more harm than good in her advertising with her attacks on friendly parties. I did not ride the either of you. I came up with the manifesto and the principles of this party, and you simply signed on, adding absolutely nothing to it.

You can have this party. I have no more interest in it and I'm feeling bad enough as it is. I will keep the party's manifesto in the front to show what it should have been and should have strived for.

Hurray for angry outbursts!!11 :rolleyes:

Undelia did more harm than good in her advertising with her attacks

I am not a women, dang it!!! :mad:
Besides, I got the party's attention with my joke poster, and was in the process of forging an alliance, when I realized that such actions would only marginalize us.

The fact is, you were inactive on the forums. I checked your nation, whilst waiting for you to vote on the first proposal, and it turns out, that you logged on multiple times while it was up for debate. You simply chose to ignore it. Pretty sad. Also, if you notice, other parties have praised us for removing your inactive chair. And, another thing, I have had oral surgery, twice. It is nothing that would have kept me from posting, for two weeks!

Zeth, please try to view it from our point of view, we were without a party leader because you were inactive. What did you want us to do? Just go with without one? Nothing can stand without a leader. The party would have fallen apart. Members at that time voted and Sith was elected party leader fair and square. If you didn't want us to do this you could've at least told us you were going to be gone. You when you leave for 2 weeks, but how were we to know if you'd be a few days, weeks, months, or if you'd left entirely? I'm sorry we've upset you, but please try to understand that we were between a rock and a hard place. Something had to be done.

Preamble

We, the Meritocratic Representative Republicans, or Meritocrats, hereby declare on the truth that all people have certain rights that they possess, that these rights include but are not limited to life, liberty, and property, and that political suffrage should not be granted on accidental location of birth, age, education, or wealth but on a person's altruism and placement of society over themselves.

Article 1 RIGHTS OF SERVICE

1. Except on prior conviction of felony, legal minority, or an inability to comprehend presented legal obligations, all people are entitled to the right to Service. Service is to entail a period of work of exactly two years, or up to five upon legislative approval, performing rigorous work to better the general welfare, provide for the common defense, protect the peace, promote justice and create a more perfect union. Servicepeople are to be granted basic living accomodations, namely sustenance and shelter, and given minimum wage. A Serviceperson is to go through rigorous work and training, but may only be removed upon voluntary resignation or if he presents a threat to others and good order in his position. Also, said Serviceperson may choose their preference of Service profession but the ultimate decision is in the hands of the central government. Upon successful completion of service, Servicepeople are to be granted suffrage.

2. Upon conviction of a felony, a Serviceperson is to be relieved of their suffrage unless proven innocent thereafter.

3. All other rights are to be bestowed upon those who have not successfully completed a term of Service as well as those who have.

Article 2 PROTECTION OF RIGHTS

1. The central government reserves the right to intervene in the matters of smaller jurisdictions wherein life, liberty, and property are unlawfully threatened.

2.Smaller jurisdictions shall preserve the right to decide social matters by popular vote, unless deciding in favor or against such matters which would result in a violation of rights in this manifesto

Article 3 PERSONAL RIGHTS

1. Life, liberty, and property are not to be taken except after due judicial process by a jury of twelve peers.

2. Freedom of Speech shall not impugned excepting the prosecution of malicious libel or slander. The people may also petition.

3. The people may gather peaceably and in cooperation with law and order.

4. No one or their belongings is to be subjected to search unless under judicial order by probable cause by oath or affirmation with said person or objects to be seized or searched except in times of war.

5. The government is to provide a quick and speedy trial to all peoples, and not to post exorbitant fines. A person shall not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. The government shall not take people's property without due monetary compensation.

6. Law abiding people are not to be deprived of firearms.

7. All other rights are not to be the business of the central government but rather by the individual small jurisdictions.

8. The government shall not establish a state religion, nor will laws discriminating against non-violent religions be passed. For clarification purposes, a non-violent religion will be defined as violent only if its officials actively encourage violence.

9. The right to publicly show ones faith shall not be infringed upon, except in such cases where an individual or group is provoking violence and causing general unrest

Article 4 ECONOMICS

1. The government will maintain a ten percent income tax on individuals with the following stipulations.
A. Individuals with an annual income of less than $12,000 will not be taxed.
B. No private individual may be taxed more than $1,000,000 annually.
C. The government will not extract any other funds from citizens or corporations by way of sales taxes, property taxes, tolls, or hidden consumer fees..

2. Property is a right of the people and as such they shall be able to keep their property, and it shall not be seized by the government without due monetary compensation.

3. Except after a legislative vote greater than 60%, any budget proposals must be balanced.

4. The central government shall have the right to create and enforce anti-trust laws and minimum wage laws. These laws, however, will require approval by a voting majority to insure that the government is neither too favorable to specific industries, nor a hindrance to free trade.

5. The central government shall have the right to create and enforce uniform environmental restrictions on businesses. These, too, shall require majority voter approval. However, the party acknowledges that the best environmental policy is minimal restrictions while maintaining a well educated and environmentally aware populace.

Article 5 WAR

1. War may be declared without physical provocation only if a majority of the voting population consents.

2. If the nation is attacked by a sovereign nation or an international organization, war shall be immediately declared on that group. The voting public shall then vote on whether to continue the war.

3. War may only be declared on recognized alliances, sovereign nations or international organizations.



Submitted for the approval of the party.

This is my effort to both expand the manifesto, and make it less US centric. Changes in bold.

My proposition for a new preamble to our manifesto:

As a result of our feeling a historical responsibility to Civilization as a whole, we representatives of the young generation of western society do declare the following;

that the great social and political changes which are shaking the very foundations of our global reality, demand of mankind a new way of thinking, a new ideology, and new methods of self-governance;

that the spreading global crisis, and the ever worsening situation of the common man, demand of us that we break away from the crumbling status quo, and adopt new, radical solutions to growing social and economic problems;

that the currently existing political formations have become too dependant on their long established socio-political status quo to be willing or able to counteract the growing global crisis, and that divided as they are by their ancient dogmatic war with one another, are incapable of uniting their energies or those of the people to effectively fight for the future of western civilization;

that finally a movement, whose goal it is to improve the moral, political, and economic situation which civilization finds itself in, will not attain this goal without first crystalizing its ideals and bringing together its individual supporters in a structured organization of action.

We believe that our civilization must make the next great leap forward in its evolution, that the old socio-political status quo must be torn down and replaced with a new, dynamic way of thinking. We crave a new kind of democracy, one stripped of both apathy and political dogmatism.

We crave a newly energized society, one within which the common man feels a bond with his fellow citizens and his nation, and works enthusiastically not only for his own betterment, but for the advancement of his society, his nation, and his civilization as a whole.

We crave a society within which the individual's value is determined not by material wealth, but by his character, the fruits of his intellect, and his good works and service to his society, his nation, and civilization as a whole.

We crave a society which is truly equal in opportunity, where any person may gain an education regardless of financial standing, and rise through the ranks of society by way of continueous service.

We crave a government which is truly accountable to its electorate, which is unaffected by dogmatic partisan politics, which carries out its duties in a translucent manner, as an institution which works tirelessly in the service of its people, rather than itself.

We crave a new, dynamic, self-aware people, who work together not only to better their own collective existance, but also to secure an ever brighter future for their children, and their children's children.

With these goals in mind, we do declare the founding of the Meritocratic Representative Republican Party, which will work united under these principals, in hopes of one day attaining that better tomorrow.

Excellent Preamble Crimson Sith. Bravo.

Why thank you very much Undelia, I'm glad that you find it to your liking. :)
Okay, so the manifesto in its current proposed state looks like this:

Preamble

As a result of our feeling a historical responsibility to Civilization as a whole, we representatives of the young generation of western society do declare the following;

that the great social and political changes which are shaking the very foundations of our global reality, demand of mankind a new way of thinking, a new ideology, and new methods of self-governance;

that the spreading global crisis, and the ever worsening situation of the common man, demand of us that we break away from the crumbling status quo, and adopt new, radical solutions to growing social and economic problems;

that the currently existing political formations have become too dependant on their long established socio-political status quo to be willing or able to counteract the growing global crisis, and that divided as they are by their ancient dogmatic war with one another, are incapable of uniting their energies or those of the people to effectively fight for the future of western civilization;

that finally a movement, whose goal it is to improve the moral, political, and economic situation which civilization finds itself in, will not attain this goal without first crystalizing its ideals and bringing together its individual supporters in a structured organization of action.

We believe that our civilization must make the next great leap forward in its evolution, that the old socio-political status quo must be torn down and replaced with a new, dynamic way of thinking. We crave a new kind of democracy, one stripped of both apathy and political dogmatism.

We crave a newly energized society, one within which the common man feels a bond with his fellow citizens and his nation, and works enthusiastically not only for his own betterment, but for the advancement of his society, his nation, and his civilization as a whole.

We crave a society within which the individual's value is determined not by material wealth, but by his character, the fruits of his intellect, and his good works and service to his society, his nation, and civilization as a whole.

We crave a society which is truly equal in opportunity, where any person may gain an education regardless of financial standing, and rise through the ranks of society by way of continueous service.

We crave a government which is truly accountable to its electorate, which is unaffected by dogmatic partisan politics, which carries out its duties in a translucent manner, as an institution which works tirelessly in the service of its people, rather than itself.

We crave a new, dynamic, self-aware people, who work together not only to better their own collective existance, but also to secure an ever brighter future for their children, and their children's children.

With these goals in mind, we do declare the founding of the Meritocratic Representative Republican Party, which will work united under these principals, in hopes of one day attaining that better tomorrow.


Article 1: RIGHTS OF SERVICE

1. Except on prior conviction of felony, legal minority, or an inability to comprehend presented legal obligations, all people are entitled to the right to Service. Service is to entail a period of work of exactly two years, or up to five upon legislative approval, performing rigorous work to better the general welfare, provide for the common defense, protect the peace, promote justice and create a more perfect union. Servicepeople are to be granted basic living accomodations, namely sustenance and shelter, and given minimum wage. A Serviceperson is to go through rigorous work and training, but may only be removed upon voluntary resignation or if he presents a threat to others and good order in his position. Also, said Serviceperson may choose their preference of Service profession but the ultimate decision is in the hands of the central government. Upon successful completion of service, Servicepeople are to be granted suffrage.

2. Upon conviction of a felony, a Serviceperson is to be relieved of their suffrage unless proven innocent thereafter.

3. All other rights are to be bestowed upon those who have not successfully completed a term of Service as well as those who have.

Article 2: PROTECTION OF RIGHTS

1. The central government reserves the right to intervene in the matters of smaller jurisdictions wherein life, liberty, and property are unlawfully threatened.

2.Smaller jurisdictions shall preserve the right to decide social matters by popular vote, unless deciding in favor or against such matters which would result in a violation of rights in this manifesto

Article 3: PERSONAL RIGHTS

1. Life, liberty, and property are not to be taken except after due judicial process by a jury of twelve peers.

2. Freedom of Speech shall not impugned excepting the prosecution of malicious libel or slander. The people may also petition.

3. The people may gather peaceably and in cooperation with law and order.

4. No one or their belongings is to be subjected to search unless under judicial order by probable cause by oath or affirmation with said person or objects to be seized or searched except in times of war.

5. The government is to provide a quick and speedy trial to all peoples, and not to post exorbitant fines. A person shall not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. The government shall not take people's property without due monetary compensation.

6. Law abiding people are not to be deprived of firearms.

7. All other rights are not to be the business of the central government but rather by the individual small jurisdictions.

8. The government shall not establish a state religion, nor will laws discriminating against non-violent religions be passed. For clarification purposes, a non-violent religion will be defined as violent only if its officials actively encourage violence.

9. The right to publicly show ones faith shall not be infringed upon, except in such cases where an individual or group is provoking violence and causing general unrest

Article 4: ECONOMICS

1. The government will maintain a ten percent income tax on individuals with the following stipulations.
A. Individuals with an annual income of less than $12,000 will not be taxed.
B. No private individual may be taxed more than $1,000,000 annually.
C. The government will not extract any other funds from citizens or corporations by way of sales taxes, property taxes, tolls, or hidden consumer fees..

2. Property is a right of the people and as such they shall be able to keep their property, and it shall not be seized by the government without due monetary compensation.

3. Except after a legislative vote greater than 60%, any budget proposals must be balanced.

4. The central government shall have the right to create and enforce anti-trust laws and minimum wage laws. These laws, however, will require approval by a voting majority to insure that the government is neither too favorable to specific industries, nor a hindrance to free trade.

5. The central government shall have the right to create and enforce uniform environmental restrictions on businesses. These, too, shall require majority voter approval. However, the party acknowledges that the best environmental policy is minimal restrictions while maintaining a well educated and environmentally aware populace.

Article 5: WAR

1. War may be declared without physical provocation only if a majority of the voting population consents.

2. If the nation is attacked by a sovereign nation or an international organization, war shall be immediately declared on that group. The voting public shall then vote on whether to continue the war.

3. War may only be declared on recognized alliances, sovereign nations or international organizations.

I'm ready to accept the manifesto in its current form. Does anyone have any objections, suggestions, or general comments?

That's acceptable to me.

Well then, since there are no objections from the other members, I'm happy to anounce that we have our new, expanded manifesto. :)

For my next proposition, I would suggest we start a new party thread. Why? So we can have control over the first post, paste the manifesto in there, and have a clearly visible, updated members list. Thoughts?

Go ahead. Just be sure you make sure that people don’t think it is a new party.

Oooh. If a new thread is started, I have a chance to get in on the discussion...as I hate stepping in on page 8 of a 7 page discussion...