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The following behavior is perfectly acceptable to the American Left because politically the ends justifiy any means:

1. Use your official government security clearance and special privileges granted your position in the FBI to steal government documents of Confidential and Classified nature from the White House.
2. Steal critical evidence related to an ongoing criminal investigation.
3. Secretly disclose Confidential and Classified government documents to non security clearance holding third parties specifically for the purpose of destroying the public perception of a sitting US president.

All that can make you a hero of the left, but only if you do it all against a republican. Wow, just makes you proud to be a leftist doesn’t it?

Mark Felt is neither a hero nor a patriot. He is a criminal and a coward who is desperate to gain media applause before his eminent death. It’s only too bad Reagan gave him a full presidential pardon. Way to stick to Woodward and Bernstein there Mark. I’m sure they had their tell-all book written up years ago and were waiting to hall away money by the wheelbarrow once you finally died. Now they gotta rewrite it all and they’ll see a fraction of their profits to boot. You went and gave away the ending, hehehe.

How many times am I gonna have to do this?

*streaks thread*

That's just a rule of politics, the ends justify the means, it's not just a liberal trait.

No soup for you!

I have to say, I'm beginning to think Northern Fox is doing little more than trolling with this kind of rhetoric.

The following behavior is perfectly acceptable to the American Left because politically the ends justifiy any means:

1. Use your official government security clearance and special privileges granted your position in the FBI to steal government documents of Confidential and Classified nature from the White House.
2. Steal critical evidence related to an ongoing criminal investigation.
3. Secretly disclose Confidential and Classified government documents to non security clearance holding third parties specifically for the purpose of destroying the public perception of a sitting US president.

All that can make you a hero of the left, but only if you do it all against a republican. Wow, just makes you proud to be a leftist doesn’t it?

Mark Felt is neither a hero nor a patriot. He is a criminal and a coward who is desperate to gain media applause before his eminent death. It’s only too bad Reagan gave him a full presidential pardon. Way to stick to Woodward and Bernstein there Mark. I’m sure they had their tell-all book written up years ago and were waiting to hall away money by the wheelbarrow once you finally died. Now they gotta rewrite it all and they’ll see a fraction of their profits to boot. You went and gave away the ending, hehehe.
I think you need a fluffle

:fluffle:

I have to say, I'm beginning to think Northern Fox is doing little more than trolling with this kind of rhetoric.
I keep forgetting you're mod, now I feel awkward.

I have to say, I'm beginning to think Northern Fox is doing little more than trolling with this kind of rhetoric.
Thinking the same kind sir but at least they are a bit more involved then “Lefts sux0rs!!”

I keep forgetting you're mod, now I feel awkward.

Am I guilty of un-approved thought again?

I think someone needs to get laid, that always seems to be the problem.

No N.Fox, it's just that Melkor doesn't seem like a mod and I don't know why.

I think someone needs to get laid, that always seems to be the problem.
I tried to fluffle him ... :)

How many times am I gonna have to do this?

*streaks thread*

:rolleyes: You ever think that people are doing this on purpose to make you streak?

No N.Fox, it's just that Melkor doesn't seem like a mod and I don't know why.

He's not the only one. I'm sure you can try to convince one of the other mods to ban me.

Melkor is actually not a mod, he's just very good at convincing people he is. It's the greatest scam of all time. I want witness protection.

-Deep Throat

*dryly* So then the Right would define Nixon as a hero then for lying, cheating, stealing, indimedation, attempted cover up, and of course, stupid hand gestures? Foxy boy, I love you. The stuff you don't say is far more entertaining than the stuff you DO! ;)

He's not the only one. I'm sure you can try to convince one of the other mods to ban me.
Naw ya always seem good for a good chuckle

He's not the only one. I'm sure you can try to convince one of the other mods to ban me.
God damn it I'm not trying to ban you. I was making an observation.

Am I guilty of un-approved thought again?

God damn it, NF, if you'd read the other thread you started about Liberals, you'd notice I argued with one of them for four goddamn pages, posting arguments that I doubt you'd have had the fortitude to create under the circumstances. If you didn't bail out of that thread you'd notice that I'm very much against the traditional American liberal ideology. [And you'd also notice that I kicked his ass :D]

But that doesn't change the fact that your posts are not thought out at all, and are designed solely to provoke a venomous reaction from your enemies.

You'd better hope you don't get one. I count this as trolling, but I'm willing to see if it can actually turn into something productive, as your other thread did.

*dryly* So then the Right would define Nixon as a hero then for lying, cheating, stealing, indimedation, attempted cover up, and of course, stupid hand gestures? Foxy boy, I love you. The stuff you don't say is far more entertaining than the stuff you DO! ;)
He did have some awfully funny hand gestures LOL

He did have some awfully funny hand gestures LOL
IMO, he was one of the funniest presidents.

He did have some awfully funny hand gestures LOLYou're right, I've changed my mind and they ARE rather funny, aren't they? :D

Nixon's "V" sign was... shall we say, unique

You're right, I've changed my mind and they ARE rather funny, aren't they? :D
That they were :)
*puts fingers up* “I am not a crook!!!”

That they were :)
*puts fingers up* “I am not a crook!!!”
We all trust you, Tricky Dick!

We all trust you, Tricky Dick!
You damn well should!!!

*dryly* So then the Right would define Nixon as a hero then for lying, cheating, stealing, indimedation, attempted cover up, and of course, stupid hand gestures? Foxy boy, I love you. The stuff you don't say is far more entertaining than the stuff you DO! ;)

Personally I strongly dislike Nixon. Of course, that is mainly because Watergate discredited the Republican Party, eventually resulting in something I blame Nixon entirely for... Carter.

Personally I strongly dislike Nixon. Of course, that is mainly because Watergate discredited the Republican Party, eventually resulting in something I blame Nixon entirely for... Carter.
His whole campaign was, "Vote for me. I'm not Nixon."

His whole campaign was, "Vote for me. I'm not Nixon."
That should be my platform! I am also not Nixon!

That they were :)
*puts fingers up* “I am not a crook!!!”
I always love seeing that clip of him getting into Marine One for the last time and waving that V sign with his hands held up high...

Because I have always been taught then when around a copter, started or no, you don't stick ANYTHING up high unless you'd like to lose it. :)

God damn it, NF, if you'd read the other thread you started about Liberals, you'd notice I argued with one of them for four goddamn pages, posting arguments that I doubt you'd have had the fortitude to create under the circumstances. If you didn't bail out of that thread you'd notice that I'm very much against the traditional American liberal ideology. [And you'd also notice that I kicked his ass :D]

But that doesn't change the fact that your posts are not thought out at all, and are designed solely to provoke a venomous reaction from your enemies.

You'd better hope you don't get one. I count this as trolling, but I'm willing to see if it can actually turn into something productive, as your other thread did.

I followed that off and on for a while. I did notice that all the accusations they made against me (Not making real arguments, ignoring points, strawmen, ad hominem, etc) all eventually got made against you too. I don't go on for pages and pages with them because it's pointless! You took the time and effort to address their questions only to have them rephrase the same question again and again! Maybe after 8 more years of banging your head against their wall of denial you’ll be as sick of them as I am. I didn’t post that other post to convert libs because that’s impossible. I did it as more of a PSA, expanded on a few things after being questioned then washed my hands of it. If I kept going I would eventually end up trolling or flamebaiting. That’s one of the left’s strategies fyi, to keep things going long enough to eventually goad the “righty” into saying something they can use or get you banned for. If my other post is so bad, please delete it then.

Can't you see what I'm doing? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy they’ve built their entire movement on! They took good men and just harped and harped on them until those ppl just gave up. Miguel Estrada anyone? Now they want to take the criminal conduct of Mark Felt and laud him as a hero? If you haven't had your tv or radio on today then maybe you could have missed the non-stop commentary of what a "brave patriot" Felt was and how he "helped America". Felt did more to destroy proper judicial process and the rule of law than any public official up to his day. He wanted revenge against Nixon because he felt the directorship of the FBI was rightfully his after Hover left, but instead Nixon appointed Raborn instead.

Trust me, if I wanted venomous responses I could get FAR MORE of them than I currently do. I specifically take the time to use less provocative terminology like I did in number 3 rather than say what I meant "To screw over the right yet again". These ppl are going to give venomous responses to anything short of "BuSh 1Z t3h 3v1L!" I don't know how much more delicately I can phrase what I have to say short of abandoning my entire belief system.

I followed that off and on for a while. I did notice that all the accusations they made against me (Not making real arguments, ignoring points, strawmen, ad hominem, etc) all eventually got made against you too. I don't go on for pages and pages with them because it's pointless! You took the time and effort to address their questions only to have them rephrase the same question again and again! Maybe after 8 more years of banging your head against their wall of denial you’ll be as sick of them as I am. I didn’t post that other post to convert libs because that’s impossible. I did it as more of a PSA, expanded on a few things after being questioned then washed my hands of it. If I kept going I would eventually end up trolling or flamebaiting. That’s one of the left’s strategies fyi, to keep things going long enough to eventually goad the “righty” into saying something they can use or get you banned for. If my other post is so bad, please delete it then.

Can't you see what I'm doing? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy they’ve built their entire movement on! They took good men and just harped and harped on them until those ppl just gave up. Miguel Estrada anyone? Now they want to take the criminal conduct of Mark Felt and laud him as a hero? If you haven't had your tv or radio on today then maybe you could have missed the non-stop commentary of what a "brave patriot" Felt was and how he "helped America". Felt did more to destroy proper judicial process and the rule of law than any public official up to his day. He wanted revenge against Nixon because he felt the directorship of the FBI was rightfully his after Hover left, but instead Nixon appointed Raborn instead.

Trust me, if I wanted venomous responses I could get FAR MORE of them than I currently do. I specifically take the time to use less provocative terminology like I did in number 3 rather than say what I meant "To screw over the right yet again". These ppl are going to give venomous responses to anything short of "BuSh 1Z t3h 3v1L!" I don't know how much more delicately I can phrase what I have to say short of abandoning my entire belief system.

The funny thing Is I see much of the same thing in you and the far right as well … so venomously opposed to each other that your actions and ways of thinking are actually closer then you see

I find it terribly ironic :) though worth a good smile

All of this boils down to politics, if you feel offended then you shouldn't be involved in the first place.

The funny thing Is I see much of the same thing in you and the far right as well … so venomously opposed to each other that your actions and ways of thinking are actually closer then you see

I find it terribly ironic :) though worth a good smile

Hahaha, I was just about to say the same.

Am I guilty of un-approved thought again?
Do you need a hug and a bunch of supporters to surround you and tell you how great you are now?
:fluffle:
x2!!! xoxoxox

:rolleyes: You ever think that people are doing this on purpose to make you streak?
*shhh, i think someone's beginning to suspect ....*

*continues to streak thread*

He's not the only one. I'm sure you can try to convince one of the other mods to ban me.
Yeppers, see my above post.
:fluffle:

*shhh, i think someone's beginning to suspect ....*
I blame it on the Illuminati or the Gay Agenda.

*continues to streak thread*
:eek:

...not so secretly, methinks i might like it ... just a little.

I blame it on the Illuminati or the Gay Agenda.

Now, just what are you insinuating?

*Snipage*
*reads once, twice, three times*
I can't follow this one, is he saying he IS flame bating, or that there really is no purpose to his postings?

I blame it on the Illuminati or the Gay Agenda.
Yeah, whatever happened to that pervert Weishaupt, anyway? Didn't he change his nom de guerre to Frater Perdurabo or something of that caliber?
The guy had a way with a tartan that smacked strangely unnatural 'lest i was on mescaline.

Now, just what are you insinuating?
Oh, nothing... *whistles*

Hahaha, I was just about to say the same.
It is funny how they sound almost like carbon coppies of eachother sometimes … more like a mad lib where they fill in there pet peve

Thoes damn ______ I make well reasoned arguments but because of their ideology they will NEVER change their mind (of course implying that I am right and it is obviously THEM that needs to change their mind to find MY version)
Here are some examples ____ ____ _____ (insert few random people and then proceed to stereotype the rest of the people with beliefs even resembling those of the people named)

If real angry through a Nazi or Commie in there (depending on the topic and side)

It really is funny

*reads once, twice, three times*
I can't follow this one, is he saying he IS flame bating, or that there really is no purpose to his postings?
Maybe the only purpose to his postings IS self-immolation. Kinda like INRI -
ignatia natura renovatum inela
.....
Cool. He needs some followers of some kind. Apparently a few well-placed *fluffle*s aren't enough.

Do you need a hug and a bunch of supporters to surround you and tell you how great you are now?
:fluffle:
x2!!! xoxoxox

An NBC primetime series with Martin Sheen espousing "my" views would make me feel a little better.

I followed that off and on for a while. I did notice that all the accusations they made against me (Not making real arguments, ignoring points, strawmen, ad hominem, etc) all eventually got made against you too. I don't go on for pages and pages with them because it's pointless! You took the time and effort to address their questions only to have them rephrase the same question again and again!

Because the same basic question was the foundation of our differing views; more spcifically the utilitarian and Objectivist concepts of 'right' and 'wrong.' The "but it's not fair!" angle did get annoying though.

Maybe after 8 more years of banging your head against their wall of denial you?ll be as sick of them as I am. I didn?t post that other post to convert libs because that?s impossible.
You should be posting to make them think. You're not. Instead, you seem to be posting with the primary aim of making them angry.

I did it as more of a PSA, expanded on a few things after being questioned then washed my hands of it. If I kept going I would eventually end up trolling or flamebaiting. That?s one of the left?s strategies fyi, to keep things going long enough to eventually goad the ?righty? into saying something they can use or get you banned for. If my other post is so bad, please delete it then.
It's borderline. Since a constructive conversation on your initial premise is technically possible, I'll let it stand until and unless this thread degenerates into Utter Ridiculousness [tm]. Regardless, it's your responsibility [no matter how long the thread goes on] to not bait or troll, even if they seem to leave you little other options.

Funny how you level this charge against them, all the while posting drivel like this. Try changing the tone of your posts; you'll notice some difference in the responses you get.

Can't you see what I'm doing? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy they?ve built their entire movement on!
This is best done by attacking the philosophical implications of their ideology as opposed to generalizations and attacks like this.

Trust me, if I wanted venomous responses I could get FAR MORE of them than I currently do.
Thats not a very wise thing to say to a Game Moderator.

I specifically take the time to use less provocative terminology like I did in number 3 rather than say what I meant "To screw over the right yet again". These ppl are going to give venomous responses to anything short of "BuSh 1Z t3h 3v1L!" I don't know how much more delicately I can phrase what I have to say short of abandoning my entire belief system.
Odd, I've never even seen you make an attempt to phrase anything more 'delicately' than your typical MO. I mean, you have less than a hundred posts here and you're already "more frustrated with them" than I am? Christ, grow a skin, dude.

It is funny how they sound almost like carbon coppies of eachother sometimes … more like a mad lib where they fill in there pet peve

Thoes damn ______ I make well reasoned arguments but because of their ideology they will NEVER change their mind (of course implying that I am right and it is obviously THEM that needs to change their mind to find MY version)
Here are some examples ____ ____ _____ (insert few random people and then proceed to stereotype the rest of the people with beliefs even resembling those of the people named)

If real angry through a Nazi or Commie in there (depending on the topic and side)

It really is funny
Well i would lazily type "rotfl" but i don't like how that rolls off the fingers, so i'm formally declaring all further like responses to be declarations of "FLORT!"

It really is funny

Quite.

Oh, nothing... *whistles*

*throws a lime at Kervoskia*

Well i would lazily type "rotfl" but i don't like how that rolls off the fingers, so i'm formally declaring all further like responses to be declarations of "FLORT!"
*takes a bow* :)

I'll let it stand until and unless this thread degenerates into Utter Ridiculousness [tm].
Utter Ridiculousness[tm]?
How much does that cost ?

*note: The Parapsychologically Obtuse Citizenry of Straughn are somewhat aware that the subject matter can be construed as rhetoric*

*bows to Melkor Unchained*

*takes a bow* :)
*Promptly knights UpwardThrust*
*doesn't explain what order UpwardThrust has earned a place in*

I followed that off and on for a while. I did notice that all the accusations they made against me (Not making real arguments, ignoring points, strawmen, ad hominem, etc) all eventually got made against you too. I don't go on for pages and pages with them because it's pointless! You took the time and effort to address their questions only to have them rephrase the same question again and again! Maybe after 8 more years of banging your head against their wall of denial you’ll be as sick of them as I am. I didn’t post that other post to convert libs because that’s impossible. I did it as more of a PSA, expanded on a few things after being questioned then washed my hands of it. If I kept going I would eventually end up trolling or flamebaiting. That’s one of the left’s strategies fyi, to keep things going long enough to eventually goad the “righty” into saying something they can use or get you banned for. If my other post is so bad, please delete it then.

Can't you see what I'm doing? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy they’ve built their entire movement on! They took good men and just harped and harped on them until those ppl just gave up. Miguel Estrada anyone? Now they want to take the criminal conduct of Mark Felt and laud him as a hero? If you haven't had your tv or radio on today then maybe you could have missed the non-stop commentary of what a "brave patriot" Felt was and how he "helped America". Felt did more to destroy proper judicial process and the rule of law than any public official up to his day. He wanted revenge against Nixon because he felt the directorship of the FBI was rightfully his after Hover left, but instead Nixon appointed Raborn instead.

Trust me, if I wanted venomous responses I could get FAR MORE of them than I currently do. I specifically take the time to use less provocative terminology like I did in number 3 rather than say what I meant "To screw over the right yet again". These ppl are going to give venomous responses to anything short of "BuSh 1Z t3h 3v1L!" I don't know how much more delicately I can phrase what I have to say short of abandoning my entire belief system.I was around during watergate, Felt means dick to me. He had his personal reasons for doing what he did, I could care less. What I do care about is that without his leak Nixon probably would have been successful in covering up his involvement in the break in. Why doesn't the unlawful and covert actions of a sitting president against opposition citizens of his own country envoke the same outrage in you that Felts actions do?

*throws a lime at Kervoskia*
*throws it back* Argh.

*throws it back* Argh.

Not good enough for you, eh!?

*chucks a bucket of lemons at Kervoskia*

Nixon's "V" sign was... shall we say, unique
Am i the only one here who pictures a certain scene in a rear-view mirror from the movie "Kingpin" whenever they see footage of Nixon doing his peace/victory salute?
:confused:

Utter Ridiculousness[tm]?
How much does that cost ?
$420.

*note: The Parapsychologically Obtuse Citizenry of Straughn are somewhat aware that the subject matter can be construed as rhetoric*

*bows to Melkor Unchained*
*Accepts said bowing, raises his hand to silence the masses*

As a point of fact, this thread isn't at present being particularly productive. If you don't have anything to say here that doesn't pertain to the subject at hand, I respectfully ask that you leave the thread. Not trying to pick you out Straughn, but I did feel compelled to answer to that bowing bit.

I was around during watergate, Felt means dick to me. He had his personal reasons for doing what he did, I could care less. What I do care about is that without his leak Nixon probably would have been successful in covering up his involvement in the break in. Why doesn't the unlawful and covert actions of a sitting president against opposition citizens of his own country envoke the same outrage in you that Felts actions do?

Nixon certainly was trying to cover it up but at that point Capitol Police, FBI, CIA and the entire DNC machine were all involved. I don't think he'd have been able to stop all their inquires. Nixon was a criminal too and deserved to be impeached, it just that I believe in the rule of law which means using the proper channels. In the end Nixon got his due and history will remember him less for bringing the troops home and regaining diplomatic ties with China and more for his neurotic obsession with his perceived enemies.

$420.


*Accepts said bowing, raises his hand to silence the masses*

As a point of fact, this thread isn't at present being particularly productive. If you don't have anything to say here that doesn't pertain to the subject at hand, I respectfully ask that you leave the thread. Not trying to pick you out Straughn, but I did feel compelled to answer to that bowing bit.
That's perfectly in order, since my comment about rhetoric was a subtle notification of my awareness of said ridiculousness.
Honestly i think i am inspired to respond more to a flamebaiter in the fashion that i had when a mod like yourself or any number of other people are trying to point out the integrity of argument involved.
I personally feel it was a very good thing that, though choosing a baffling name, Deep Throat did what he did since i think the office has way too much potential for corruption and anyone *note: ANYONE* in that position needs to be knocked around a bit if they start writing out hitlists of their political enemies and laying them around .... but i think it's peculiar that only earlier in the day i'd heard that the fella's identity wouldn't be confirmed by those two reporters until after he was dead, and then seeing his face & name on MSN only a few hours later. Curious.

NF: This is the second post I've seen of your, I am just starting up in NS again after an 8 month hiadous(Can't spell too tired) anyway you seem to be just stating you polictical views not argueing them... the forum isn't your personal pedistal to yell things out at people and provoke them into a fight. Don't say that you don't because its quite evident that you do with this post and your last post as evidence... anyway just make sure for your next post take a few breaths and think about it for a moment. You want to have a debate with "liberals" go ahead and have a debate but remember a debate! Don't go starting fights or as some of my collegues call it "trolling" (LOL I love that word).


Oh yeah... Nixon was a bad president but he did have his moments...... Oh yeah did you mention carter? he was one of our best presidents (just a bit weak though).

WEll ENJOY!

Nixon certainly was trying to cover it up but at that point Capitol Police, FBI, CIA and the entire DNC machine were all involved. I don't think he'd have been able to stop all their inquires. Nixon was a criminal too and deserved to be impeached, it just that I believe in the rule of law which means using the proper channels. In the end Nixon got his due and history will remember him less for bringing the troops home and regaining diplomatic ties with China and more for his neurotic obsession with his perceived enemies.
But would Nixon felt that pressure, hell, would the Congress actually have acted if it wasn't for the breaking of the story in the Washington Post and the outrage of the American public? In the two impeachments in American history, it seems that it happens only when the oposing party gets pissed off enough about the president and has control of the Congress. Nixon is the only case where public pressure forced the Congress to act in starting impeachment.

The following behavior is perfectly acceptable to the American Left because politically the ends justifiy any means:

1. Use your official government security clearance and special privileges granted your position in the FBI to steal government documents of Confidential and Classified nature from the White House.
2. Steal critical evidence related to an ongoing criminal investigation.
3. Secretly disclose Confidential and Classified government documents to non security clearance holding third parties specifically for the purpose of destroying the public perception of a sitting US president.

All that can make you a hero of the left, but only if you do it all against a republican. Wow, just makes you proud to be a leftist doesn’t it?

Mark Felt is neither a hero nor a patriot. He is a criminal and a coward who is desperate to gain media applause before his eminent death. It’s only too bad Reagan gave him a full presidential pardon. Way to stick to Woodward and Bernstein there Mark. I’m sure they had their tell-all book written up years ago and were waiting to hall away money by the wheelbarrow once you finally died. Now they gotta rewrite it all and they’ll see a fraction of their profits to boot. You went and gave away the ending, hehehe.
When we all know a true hero tape records thier friends against their knowledge and feeds it to an investigation costing $10 million taxpayer dollars into something that they found no evidence of so you can still have your goal of 'destroying the public perception of a sitting US president.'

But I digress...

During the last campaign there was a lot of criticism that the Democrats where more into not being Republicans than actually being about something. A fair enough criticism (well, except that it was used to shout out the democrats explaining what they where about, but again I digress...) and one I now level at you-

Can you, just for giggles, be about something instead of creating your little definitions and harumphing? Just once, for me? Actually, you know, talk about your own stance rather than create and belittle an opposite stance? You can do it, I know you can.

Am I guilty of un-approved thought again?
No...but you're guilty of broad sweeping generalisations that possible border on flame-baiting and trolling.

By the way, who exactly do you mean by "the left?"

It's all good and well to invent strawmen such as "the right" or "the left" without giving any goddam criteria for WHO you are indicating. So you wind up giving detailed psychological and behavioral 'analyses' about vague groups of people you don't even define. Anyone can do that, and anyone does. It's stupid. Am I the left? I believe in civil liberty. I must be The Left! Wait, I believe in economic freedom. I must be The Right! Wait, NF hasn't defined either the left or the right. I'm ambi-fucking-dextrous!

When we all know

That has nothing to do with the criminality of Felt's actions. As it relates to the Watergate Hotel break-in, Felt broke more laws than Nixon.

During the last campaign there was a lot of criticism that the Democrats where more into not being Republicans than actually being about something. A fair enough criticism (well, except that it was used to shout out the democrats explaining what they where about, but again I digress...) and one I now level at you-

Can you, just for giggles, be about something instead of creating your little definitions and harumphing? Just once, for me? Actually, you know, talk about your own stance rather than create and belittle an opposite stance? You can do it, I know you can.


Who shouted down democrats? George Soros and the moveon crowd? The mainstream media? International ANSWER and the other communist front groups? They were all busy shouting down republicans.

Can you, just for giggles, not try to bait me with your condescension? Just once, for me?

but you're guilty of broad sweeping generalisations that possible border on flame-baiting and trolling

Et tu Kryozerkia, et tu.

Et tu Kryozerkia, et tu.
Ok, if you're pointing to throw it back at me, why not produce the evidence? This thread is evidence of your broad-sweeping generalities, so, why not find proof of mine.

Can you, just for giggles, not try to bait me with your condescension? Just once, for me?




Certainly. Please start an argument in which you state a position of your own or policy rather than create and demean an opposing definition.

Thank you.


Your turn.

You know, maybe this thread would be better titled "how Northern Fox defines the Left." I for one would like to know! For example, does the left include..

1. Democrats
2. Communists
3. Greens
4. Libertarians
5. Centrists
6. Anarchists
7. Terrorists
8. People I hate
9. All of the above
10. None of the above, I can't define Left, but it makes a good straw punching bag.

That has nothing to do with the criminality of Felt's actions. As it relates to the Watergate Hotel break-in, Felt broke more laws than Nixon.
WTF?
This ought to be good.
Again, as many appear to be stating, the onus is on yourself.
'Fess up or give up.

Isn't it interesting that it's always someone from the right that defines what liberals and lefties do?

Isn't it interesting that it's always someone from the right that defines what liberals and lefties do?

...and vice versa.

It seems a lot of people willingly partake in allowing others to define who they are.

...and vice versa.

It seems a lot of people willingly partake in allowing others to define who they are.
*bows*
...it's lonely in the ... middle.

*bows*
...it's lonely in the ... middle.

Fortunately we get to make up our own minds on what our stance is. Tis a bit lonely though... that's why we have to stick together...

And cue sappy orchestral music and some stupid song about rivers on a mountain.

Nixon certainly was trying to cover it up but at that point Capitol Police, FBI, CIA and the entire DNC machine were all involved. I don't think he'd have been able to stop all their inquires. Nixon was a criminal too and deserved to be impeached, it just that I believe in the rule of law which means using the proper channels. In the end Nixon got his due and history will remember him less for bringing the troops home and regaining diplomatic ties with China and more for his neurotic obsession with his perceived enemies.Problem was that Nixon had the proper channels all chasing each other--he was playing off the CIA and FBI against each other after all. And the press did its job the way it was supposed to--it ferreted out a series of crimes and exposed the linkages between them in a way that the law enforcement system was either unable or unwilling to do, and Felt was a part of that. The man is a hero in my eyes, because he saw that there are things more important than party loyalty, and that's a lesson that some in the Republican party could stand to remember right about now.

If it is treason to rat out the chief executive when he's doing something shady, then Lord, let me be guilty someday. Yes, underlings are supposed to follow orders and go through channels. But if those channels are clearly corrupted, and you know your findings will be squelched, what choice do you have? Even the military has a provision for disobeying direct orders that run contrary to one's sworn duty as a soldier -- you roll your dice that a court martial will agree with you. Deep Throat rolled similar dice and won.

Didja hear the tapes they played when Halderman outed W. Mark Felt as the FBI leak? Nixon actually said "How'd we get a Jew in there?" What a fuckwad. Yes, a master of foreign policy, but a fuckwad nonetheless. He was pardoned by Ford and still has legions of supporters on the Right, so sorry, no sympathy for that particular devil.

Fortunately we get to make up our own minds on what our stance is. Tis a bit lonely though... that's why we have to stick together...

And cue sappy orchestral music and some stupid song about rivers on a mountain.
FLORT!
*high five*

Sorry to invoke Goodwin here, but just that you know, a hero of mine is Claus Earl of Schenk-Stauffenberg. He founded a criminal organisation, commited high treason and attemted a murder first degree. All that to stop what he perceived, and many people agreed then and even more now, as the biggest evil and greatest threat to his nation.

The following behavior is perfectly acceptable to the American Left because politically the ends justifiy any means:

1. Use your official government security clearance and special privileges granted your position in the FBI to steal government documents of Confidential and Classified nature from the White House.
2. Steal critical evidence related to an ongoing criminal investigation.
3. Secretly disclose Confidential and Classified government documents to non security clearance holding third parties specifically for the purpose of destroying the public perception of a sitting US president.

All that can make you a hero of the left, but only if you do it all against a republican. Wow, just makes you proud to be a leftist doesn’t it?

Mark Felt is neither a hero nor a patriot. He is a criminal and a coward who is desperate to gain media applause before his eminent death. It’s only too bad Reagan gave him a full presidential pardon. Way to stick to Woodward and Bernstein there Mark. I’m sure they had their tell-all book written up years ago and were waiting to hall away money by the wheelbarrow once you finally died. Now they gotta rewrite it all and they’ll see a fraction of their profits to boot. You went and gave away the ending, hehehe.

Living up to your oath of office (which he did) makes him a Hero, even when it is against his own "boss".... Simple fact is, any patriot will see his oath to the Constitution as being above that of any elected or appointed officer.... Had I been a party to it; I would have done the same thing Mr. Felt did; otherwise I would have violated my oath to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States"...

I was around during watergate, Felt means dick to me. He had his personal reasons for doing what he did, I could care less. What I do care about is that without his leak Nixon probably would have been successful in covering up his involvement in the break in. Why doesn't the unlawful and covert actions of a sitting president against opposition citizens of his own country envoke the same outrage in you that Felts actions do?
Whoa now, it's not like he used the FBI to collect data on his enemies or shredded legal records...

NF: This is the second post I've seen of your, I am just starting up in NS again after an 8 month hiadous(Can't spell too tired) anyway you seem to be just stating you polictical views not argueing them... the forum isn't your personal pedistal to yell things out at people and provoke them into a fight. Don't say that you don't because its quite evident that you do with this post and your last post as evidence... anyway just make sure for your next post take a few breaths and think about it for a moment. You want to have a debate with "liberals" go ahead and have a debate but remember a debate! Don't go starting fights or as some of my collegues call it "trolling" (LOL I love that word).


Oh yeah... Nixon was a bad president but he did have his moments...... Oh yeah did you mention carter? he was one of our best presidents (just a bit weak though).

WEll ENJOY!

Carter a best president? Bwahahahaha. What int eh world makes

bwahahahaa! hahah! hahahaha!

sorry, trying to get control. What in the world would draw you to that conclusion? Runaway energy prices, the huger recession? Double digit inflatoin? The Iran hostage crisis? Billy? Or was it just the 'lust after women in his heart' thing?

I followed that off and on for a while. I did notice that all the accusations they made against me (Not making real arguments, ignoring points, strawmen, ad hominem, etc) all eventually got made against you too. I don't go on for pages and pages with them because it's pointless! You took the time and effort to address their questions only to have them rephrase the same question again and again! Maybe after 8 more years of banging your head against their wall of denial you’ll be as sick of them as I am. I didn’t post that other post to convert libs because that’s impossible. I did it as more of a PSA, expanded on a few things after being questioned then washed my hands of it. If I kept going I would eventually end up trolling or flamebaiting. That’s one of the left’s strategies fyi, to keep things going long enough to eventually goad the “righty” into saying something they can use or get you banned for. If my other post is so bad, please delete it then.

Can't you see what I'm doing? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy they’ve built their entire movement on! They took good men and just harped and harped on them until those ppl just gave up. Miguel Estrada anyone? Now they want to take the criminal conduct of Mark Felt and laud him as a hero? If you haven't had your tv or radio on today then maybe you could have missed the non-stop commentary of what a "brave patriot" Felt was and how he "helped America". Felt did more to destroy proper judicial process and the rule of law than any public official up to his day. He wanted revenge against Nixon because he felt the directorship of the FBI was rightfully his after Hover left, but instead Nixon appointed Raborn instead.

Trust me, if I wanted venomous responses I could get FAR MORE of them than I currently do. I specifically take the time to use less provocative terminology like I did in number 3 rather than say what I meant "To screw over the right yet again". These ppl are going to give venomous responses to anything short of "BuSh 1Z t3h 3v1L!" I don't know how much more delicately I can phrase what I have to say short of abandoning my entire belief system.

You don't see the delicuious irony, do you...

So - when a person commits a criminal act (which, in your book, makes him 'evil')... in order to highlight an even bigger criminal act...

The one you feel is in the wrong is whichever one is more liberal?

The following behavior is perfectly acceptable to the American Left because politically the ends justifiy any means:

1. Use your official government security clearance and special privileges granted your position in the FBI to steal government documents of Confidential and Classified nature from the White House.
2. Steal critical evidence related to an ongoing criminal investigation.
3. Secretly disclose Confidential and Classified government documents to non security clearance holding third parties specifically for the purpose of destroying the public perception of a sitting US president.

All that can make you a hero of the left, but only if you do it all against a republican. Wow, just makes you proud to be a leftist doesn’t it?

Mark Felt is neither a hero nor a patriot. He is a criminal and a coward who is desperate to gain media applause before his eminent death. It’s only too bad Reagan gave him a full presidential pardon. Way to stick to Woodward and Bernstein there Mark. I’m sure they had their tell-all book written up years ago and were waiting to hall away money by the wheelbarrow once you finally died. Now they gotta rewrite it all and they’ll see a fraction of their profits to boot. You went and gave away the ending, hehehe.
Conservatives have as much of a "the ends justify the means" attitude, for instance the war in Iraq.

You don't see the delicuious irony, do you...

So - when a person commits a criminal act (which, in your book, makes him 'evil')... in order to highlight an even bigger criminal act...

The one you feel is in the wrong is whichever one is more liberal?

Are you saying that Miguel Estrada is a criminal. Because that is just plain wrong.

Conservatives have as much of a "the ends justify the means" attitude, for instance the war in Iraq.

I gather you feel that the ire directed towards Linda Trip was unjustified then?

I gather you feel that the ire directed towards Linda Trip was unjustified then?
Sorry? I have no idea who Linda Trip is.

Living up to your oath of office (which he did) makes him a Hero, even when it is against his own "boss".... Simple fact is, any patriot will see his oath to the Constitution as being above that of any elected or appointed officer.... Had I been a party to it; I would have done the same thing Mr. Felt did; otherwise I would have violated my oath to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States"...
*applause*

mr felt deserves a medal for what he did. we need more patriots like him.

The following behavior is perfectly acceptable to the American Left because politically the ends justifiy any means:

1. Use your official government security clearance and special privileges granted your position in the FBI to steal government documents of Confidential and Classified nature from the White House.
2. Steal critical evidence related to an ongoing criminal investigation.
3. Secretly disclose Confidential and Classified government documents to non security clearance holding third parties specifically for the purpose of destroying the public perception of a sitting US president.

All that can make you a hero of the left, but only if you do it all against a republican. Wow, just makes you proud to be a leftist doesn’t it?

Mark Felt is neither a hero nor a patriot. He is a criminal and a coward who is desperate to gain media applause before his eminent death. It’s only too bad Reagan gave him a full presidential pardon. Way to stick to Woodward and Bernstein there Mark. I’m sure they had their tell-all book written up years ago and were waiting to hall away money by the wheelbarrow once you finally died. Now they gotta rewrite it all and they’ll see a fraction of their profits to boot. You went and gave away the ending, hehehe.

I agree, neither a hero or a patriot however the guy is old and I don't believe punishment is required. Death is coming soon to him anyways.

Sorry? I have no idea who Linda Trip is.

The woman who ratted Monica Lewinsky out, and was later tried under an obscure Maryland law. (to the applause of the left, because "we are a nation of laws not men...[insert pompous leftwing bloviating as needed]).

The following behavior is perfectly acceptable to the American Left because blah blah blah blah:

1. blah blah, left,
2. blah blah, the left this, blah blah blah
3. blah blah, all the same, blah blah, the left
Yes, the American left is one, homogenous group controlled by an overmind. They even eat the same things, wear the same clothes, and have sex the same way. :rolleyes:

Yes, the American left is one, homogenous group controlled by an overmind. They even eat the same things, wear the same clothes, and have sex the same way. :rolleyes:
you are SO lucky to be canadian! the fights over "vegetarian or vegan" were wicked. and the "do we all have to have anal sex" thing almost came to blows!

you are SO lucky to be canadian! the fights over "vegetarian or vegan" were wicked. and the "do we all have to have anal sex" thing almost came to blows!
LOL!

Are you saying that Miguel Estrada is a criminal. Because that is just plain wrong.

No, I'm saying Miguel Estrada was an American success story that few if any of us could ever match. He was a perfect man to be nominated to the Federal Court of Appeals but that he hounded by the left till he didn't want to deal with it anymore.

No, I'm saying Miguel Estrada was an American success story that few if any of us could ever match. He was a perfect man to be nominated to the Federal Court of Appeals but that he hounded by the left till he didn't want to deal with it anymore.

Yah, actually I was kinda pointing out that what Grave n' Idle posted made no sense.

I got your point.

Yes, the American left is one, homogenous group controlled by an overmind. They even eat the same things, wear the same clothes, and have sex the same way. :rolleyes:

I am curious, why do you feel that editing someones post that way is not trolling?

you are SO lucky to be canadian! the fights over "vegetarian or vegan" were wicked. and the "do we all have to have anal sex" thing almost came to blows!
Well, our left is divided between urban/rural, East/West and Gay/Straight...it's just nasty!

The following behavior is perfectly acceptable to the American Left because politically the ends justifiy any means:...as has been stated, this is not a trait of the LEFT - it is a trait of politicians in general. There are a few exceptions. We call them "Statesmen". And, yes, unfortunatley that is a term we don't get to use too frequently.

1. Use your official government security clearance and special privileges granted your position in the FBI to steal government documents of Confidential and Classified nature from the White House
2. Steal critical evidence related to an ongoing criminal investigation.
3. Secretly disclose Confidential and Classified government documents to non security clearance holding third parties specifically for the purpose of destroying the public perception of a sitting US president.What were those documents related to, again? Oh, yes - these were the classified and confidential documents about how the President and his Re-election committee committed or caused to be committed a number of crimes, to include breaking and entering and theft. The "evidence" that was not going to be released to the "ongoing" investigation based on Executive Privilege.

And, as to destroying the image of a sitting American President - Richard Milhouse Nixon did that by himself, with a little help from his friends. Woodward and Bernstein, with a little help from their friend Mark Felt, didn't destroy anything - they just let the rest of us see what RMH and Co. had done.

All that can make you a hero of the left, but only if you do it all against a republican. Wow, just makes you proud to be a leftist doesn’t it?Not to republicans only - that just happened to be the case.

Been proud to be a leftist since long before "Deep Throat". Only sorry I was too young to have made Tricky Dick's "Enemies List".

Mark Felt is neither a hero nor a patriot. He is a criminal and a coward who is desperate to gain media applause before his eminent death. It’s only too bad Reagan gave him a full presidential pardon. Way to stick to Woodward and Bernstein there Mark. I’m sure they had their tell-all book written up years ago and were waiting to hall away money by the wheelbarrow once you finally died. Now they gotta rewrite it all and they’ll see a fraction of their profits to boot. You went and gave away the ending, hehehe.Troll...troll...troll...troll...

I think the really sorry thing about the Left is that its heroes aren't good looking anymore.
I mean, look at Che. He made a nice poster, even after he was blown away.

Now all they can do is trot out 91 year old geezers who harp about things only old people remember.

I am curious, why do you feel that editing someones post that way is not trolling?
Because people do it to me all the time :D

And I'm making a valid comment. This idea of saying, "one person of this political leaning did this, so ALL people of the same political leaning must support it" is as ridiculous applied to liberals as it is to conservatives, or any other group for that matter.

Because people do it to me all the time :D

And I'm making a valid comment. This idea of saying, "one person of this political leaning did this, so ALL people of the same political leaning must support it" is as ridiculous applied to liberals as it is to conservatives, or any other group for that matter.

I never said your comment wasn't valid. Just the editing of the post struck me as trolly/flamy.

WTF?
This ought to be good.
Again, as many appear to be stating, the onus is on yourself.
'Fess up or give up.


Nixon: Conspiracy to commit burglary. Material support to burglary.

Felt: Theft of documents related to national security. Interstate transmission of secure government documents. Interfering with a police investigation. Interfering with an FBI investigation. Sedition. Interfering with a grand jury inquiry. Transmission of secure government documents to non secure sources. Conspiracy against the Office of the Chief Executive.

The following behavior is perfectly acceptable to the American Left because politically the ends justifiy any means:

1. Use your official government security clearance and special privileges granted your position in the FBI to steal government documents of Confidential and Classified nature from the White House.
2. Steal critical evidence related to an ongoing criminal investigation.
3. Secretly disclose Confidential and Classified government documents to non security clearance holding third parties specifically for the purpose of destroying the public perception of a sitting US president.

All that can make you a hero of the left, but only if you do it all against a republican. Wow, just makes you proud to be a leftist doesn’t it?

Mark Felt is neither a hero nor a patriot. He is a criminal and a coward who is desperate to gain media applause before his eminent death. It’s only too bad Reagan gave him a full presidential pardon. Way to stick to Woodward and Bernstein there Mark. I’m sure they had their tell-all book written up years ago and were waiting to hall away money by the wheelbarrow once you finally died. Now they gotta rewrite it all and they’ll see a fraction of their profits to boot. You went and gave away the ending, hehehe.
It might be hard to consider Nixon that bad for some people. But what would you consider someone that did something like that to Saddam or Hitler? A coward?

Nixon: Conspiracy to commit burglary. Material support to burglary.

Felt: Theft of documents related to national security. Interstate transmission of secure government documents. Interfering with a police investigation. Interfering with an FBI investigation. Sedition. Interfering with a grand jury inquiry. Transmission of secure government documents to non secure sources. Conspiracy against the Office of the Chief Executive.Once again - what were those documents? Along with that, a few other points to consider:

How did these documents relate to national security? Did they relate to national security at all? Or, did they just relate to a botched burglary by the Re-elect Tricky Dick Committee, and were given certain status to prevent them from being available to the general public? And thus, simply another example of abuse of the power of office.

Conspiracy against the office of the Chief Executive? OR - conspiracy to open the door and let the general public see the criminal behavior going on inside the office of the Chief Executive with his knowledge and consent?

Interferring with a police investigation / ongoing grand jury investigation? OR - ensuring that the facts of the matters being investigated by the police, and the grand jury, were made available to them to consider along with the "colorful" information being provided by the representatives of the Nixon Administration?

As to all the allegations that fall under the general heading of "Messing around with Classified Government Documents"...what were these documents, again? Oh, yes - documents that provided evidence of the criminal activity and collusion by the President and his closest advisors...why were these classified, again? [/sarcasm][/rhetorical question]

Are you saying that Miguel Estrada is a criminal. Because that is just plain wrong.

No.

Well done, although I think you could have been just a little more wrong if you tried just a bit harder.

I am saying that, if an act is 'very bad', and someone has to do something 'a bit bad' to bring that first act to light... then attacking the 'a bit bad' person is ridiculous.

If I see someone setting fire to your home, while you are asleep in your bed, and I force an entry into your house to perform a rescue - do you honestly think that the real problem is my 'breaking and entering'?

I never said your comment wasn't valid. Just the editing of the post struck me as trolly/flamy.
Uh-huh. Well, perhaps you should be the one expalining why it seems that way, rather than asking why I don't see it that way.

Because people do it to me all the time :D

And I'm making a valid comment. This idea of saying, "one person of this political leaning did this, so ALL people of the same political leaning must support it" is as ridiculous applied to liberals as it is to conservatives, or any other group for that matter.

Exactly - pretty much trolling, if you ask me... this character presenting what the 'left' believes... while obviously not being one of them, and being incapable of speaking for ALL of 'the left' even if he/she did represent that view....

Nixon: Conspiracy to commit burglary. Material support to burglary.

Felt: Theft of documents related to national security. Interstate transmission of secure government documents. Interfering with a police investigation. Interfering with an FBI investigation. Sedition. Interfering with a grand jury inquiry. Transmission of secure government documents to non secure sources. Conspiracy against the Office of the Chief Executive.

Pfft.... more than that:

Nixon:Conspiracy to commit Burglary, material support to burglary, obstruction of justice, abuse of presidential power, contempt of Congress.

Nixon was the one guilty of "interfering with an FBI investigation, by his own admition on record (tape) to use the CIA to block FBI investigations.

You can't declare the documents secure or protected by "national security" (the Supreme Court suspended Nixon's executive privilidge, the documents were not "secured" by privilidge).... Nixon was guilty of interfering with the Grand Jury (not Felt); Sedition is out, since nothing he did violates USC18-2385... Nixon himself was guilty of the Conspiracy charge of the executive (USC18-372)....

Try again... bub...

*dryly* So then the Right would define Nixon as a hero then for lying, cheating, stealing, indimedation, attempted cover up, and of course, stupid hand gestures? Foxy boy, I love you. The stuff you don't say is far more entertaining than the stuff you DO! ;)

Nah, Nixon's a sell-out to the Left who got shredded anyway. (EPA, China, Tax-hikes, the Double Nickel Speed limits...)

I think you need a fluffle

:fluffle:

what the heck is a "fluffle"? Does it have anything to do with your name? hehe

Exactly - pretty much trolling, if you ask me... this character presenting what the 'left' believes... while obviously not being one of them, and being incapable of speaking for ALL of 'the left' even if he/she did represent that view....

So not only do you think it is perfectly acceptable to assasinate Miguel Estrada's character, you also believe that no-one who is not a card carrying member of the democratic party should be allowed to criticize what they perceive to be faults with the general behavior of the left.

I suppose you never have anything to say about republicans. :rolleyes:

Uh-huh. Well, perhaps you should be the one expalining why it seems that way, rather than asking why I don't see it that way.

Well, it seems disrespectful at the very least. I mean, if that really is you opinion of the OP why even post?

Well, it seems disrespectful at the very least. I mean, if that really is you opinion of the OP why even post?
No, that's not my opinion of the OP. I don't have an opinion of the OP. The opinion being expressed by the OP is another issue altogether. It's not a flame, because it is not a personal attack on a poster, and it's not trolling, because I damn well meant it, and I explained why.

So, if you want to continue this little...whatever it is....feel free to TG me. I'm going to stop now, because there's another little important rule on general.../hijack

No, that's blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ..... righteous anger......blah blah blah blah blah blah......cannot concede the possibility of being wrong............. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.......non-sequitur non sequitur........blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.....avoids the issue.....blah blah blah.....equivocation.......blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Well I am glad that's settled then.

Well I am glad that's settled then.
Take it to the mods Lac.

Nixon: Conspiracy to commit burglary. Material support to burglary.

Um. Tad more than that, sparky.

Nixon himself resign when his crimes and deception were exposed.

But I'm more interested in the second list:

Felt: Theft of documents related to national security. Interstate transmission of secure government documents. Interfering with a police investigation. Interfering with an FBI investigation. Sedition. Interfering with a grand jury inquiry. Transmission of secure government documents to non secure sources. Conspiracy against the Office of the Chief Executive.

LOL

1. Most of these are crimes you just made up. Using legal sounding language is fun, but it isn't that impressive. There are some crimes that sound like some of these things but have critical difference in wording.

2. Please identify the alleged documents and/or provide evidence Felt stole and transmitted classified documents.

3. Please explain how Felt actually interfered with or impeded any investigation. It is not self-evident that his giving information to the Washington Post did not, by itself, impede any other investigation.

4. I'd love to see you define the crime of "sedition" and explain how Felt is guilty of it. Please cite to the appropriate statute.

5. I'd love to see you define the crime of "conspiracy against the Office of the Chief Executive." Please cite to the appropriate statute.

Um. Tad more than that, sparky.

Nixon himself resign when his crimes and deception were exposed.

But I'm more interested in the second list:



LOL

1. Most of these are crimes you just made up. Using legal sounding language is fun, but it isn't that impressive. There are some crimes that sound like some of these things but have critical difference in wording.

2. Please identify the alleged documents and/or provide evidence Felt stole and transmitted classified documents.

3. Please explain how Felt actually interfered with or impeded any investigation. It is not self-evident that his giving information to the Washington Post did not, by itself, impede any other investigation.

4. I'd love to see you define the crime of "sedition" and explain how Felt is guilty of it. Please cite to the appropriate statute.

5. I'd love to see you define the crime of "conspiracy against the Office of the Chief Executive." Please cite to the appropriate statute.

Morning cat :) quite an argument to get the ball rolling

That has nothing to do with the criminality of Felt's actions. As it relates to the Watergate Hotel break-in, Felt broke more laws than Nixon.

ROTFLASTC

Can you, just for giggles, not try to bait me with your condescension?

Familiar with the term "irony," Mr. Pot?

Whoa now, it's not like he used the FBI to collect data on his enemies or shredded legal records...

No, he did use his FBI position to collect information on his enemy Richard Nixon.

Am I guilty of un-approved thought again?

No. Just stupidity as usual.

Originally Posted by Straughn
WTF?
This ought to be good.
Again, as many appear to be stating, the onus is on yourself.
'Fess up or give up.



Nixon: Conspiracy to commit burglary. Material support to burglary.

Felt: Theft of documents related to national security. Interstate transmission of secure government documents. Interfering with a police investigation. Interfering with an FBI investigation. Sedition. Interfering with a grand jury inquiry. Transmission of secure government documents to non secure sources. Conspiracy against the Office of the Chief Executive.
Wow, thanks for the indulgence! I had a vague suspicion, based on your obviously thorough understanding of the issue (as having impressed me on other threads as well) that this would turn out really well for you.
You really know how to get/keep an argument going, and for my participation in the results of your posts i AM a better person and all around "human" being!
Toodles!

So not only do you think it is perfectly acceptable to assasinate Miguel Estrada's character, you also believe that no-one who is not a card carrying member of the democratic party should be allowed to criticize what they perceive to be faults with the general behavior of the left.

I suppose you never have anything to say about republicans. :rolleyes:

I have so no idea what you are talking about.

I am not a 'democrat', nor do I claim to represent them.

What I am pointing out is that this fellow (fellow-ess) is making assertions about what a group 'believes'... yet isn't a member of that group.

We've seen the same things hundreds of times on these boards... with people putting down what they think Christians believe, or what they think Moslems believe...

It is a fallacy. The original poster is creating a strawman to beat upon, and you (for some peculiar reason) are helping him (or her).

I have mentioned nothing about Miguel Etsrada, have I? Why do you keep implying I have?

My sole point has been that it is ironic (to use a mild term) to yell about the crime one person commits in the revelation of a much greater crime.

Go back a page, and look at my example of the arsonist burning your house... I'd be interested to see what your honest response is to the situation I imagined.