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The Final Star Wars Movie left us asking many questions about what happened to who in what.

1. Why does R2-D2 not use his jets in the later movies?
Could it be Droid Athretis?!

2. Why does Padme do only one thing in the movie, brushing her hair?
Is it because the babies have made her obsessed with her hair?

3. Why does Kit Phisto Die?
More accuratly, how do we even know his name, and is it really important?

4. Why does Lucas insist on using transitions, over, and over and over again?
Can he ever stop, or has he been inducted by the Dark Side of Editing?

5. How does Yoda get his ass kicked?
I mean come on! He's freakin' amazing! How can he lose? He's a little green fuzzball with a lightsabre that can move faster then the speed of sound. And I'm not just ubset over it, he kicked the Emprorer's ass.
I am convinced told the story wrong! >=O

6. Why didn't Lucas let someone else direct the movie?
His best movie was The Empire Strikes Back, and that was because he didn't direct it!

Was Kit Phisto that cone-head Jedi? Man that was one of the funniest parts of the moive.

"Come on! Let's go!"

Hehehe.

Was Kit Phisto that cone-head Jedi? Man that was one of the funniest parts of the moive.

"Come on! Let's go!"

Hehehe.

No. Ket Phisto is the green guy with the tentacles coming out of his head who gets killed by the Emporer when Mace Windu tries to arreast him.

The only question I have is why Lucas didn't let someone else direct the last three movies.

His best Star Wars movie was The Empire Strikes Back - and it was good because Lucas didn't direct it.

The only question I have is why Lucas didn't let someone else direct the last three movies.

His best Star Wars movie was The Empire Strikes Back - and it was good because Lucas didn't direct it.

Nice.

I should add that to the list...

No. Ket Phisto is the green guy with the tentacles coming out of his head who gets killed by the Emporer when Mace Windu tries to arreast him.

Oh... What was the point of those other Jedi? I mean they just stood there,

"Please kill us!"

Oh... What was the point of those other Jedi? I mean they just stood there,

"Please kill us!"

Your standard-issue Redshirts then.

Oh... What was the point of those other Jedi? I mean they just stood there,

"Please kill us!"

They thought they could overpower the Emporer with numbers.
Turns out Windu was the only guy fast enough to block the light saber.

I have a question. How come when Yoda is leaving the Wookies he says, "Goodbye, Chewbacca.", but in the other movies they never mention each other?

Lucas is a great director, and Yoda lost because he was old and didn't have the power that Sidious had. All and all, Vader becomes stronger than both of them. And Kit Fisto died because he just got killed by Sidious. And I agree, there were A LOT of things that did not fill the gap between the new movies and the old movies. And they didn't mention each other because Yoda hadn't seen ANYONE at all for a long time since he was in exile. And Chewbacca really didn't see Yoda until the end of Return of The Jedi after Yoda became one with the force and was that ghost.

I have a question. How come when Yoda is leaving the Wookis he says, "Goodbye, Chewbacca.", but in the other movies they never mention each other?
Because Mr. Continuity took a leap.

How about that line in Return of the Jedi, where Leia "remembers" her real mother.

How could she do that if her mother died in childbirth?

Eh?

I have a question. How come when Yoda is leaving the Wookis he says, "Goodbye, Chewbacca.", but in the other movies they never mention each other?

Because Luke is the only one who goes to see Yoda at that point, and Yoda doesn't know that he knows Chewbacca.
And if he does, he never mentions him.

i've got a question. in the scene in the mustafar system, with padme, obi-wan, and anakin, was it really nessacery for padme to wear that little skirt when she was over 8 months pregnant?

The Final Star Wars Movie left us asking many questions about what happened to who in what.

1. Why does R2-D2 not use his jets in the later movies?
Could it be Droid Athretis?!

2. Why does Padme do only one thing in the movie, brushing her hair?
Is it because the babies have made her obsessed with her hair?

3. Why does Kit Phisto Die?
More accuratly, how do we even know his name, and is it really important?

4. Why does Lucas insist on using transitions, over, and over and over again?
Can he ever stop, or has he been inducted by the Dark Side of Editing?

5. How does Yoda get his ass kicked?
I mean come on! He's freakin' amazing! How can he lose? He's a little green fuzzball with a lightsabre that can move faster then the speed of sound. And I'm not just ubset over it, he kicked the Emprorer's ass.
I am convinced told the story wrong! >=O

6. Why didn't Lucas let someone else direct the movie?
His best movie was The Empire Strikes Back, and that was because he didn't direct it!

1. Nothing was computer generated in the originals, so they couldn't make r-2 do that cool stuff.

2.padme's supposed to be a damsel in distress, and thats what damsels do.

3. he was just a random jedi.

4.lucas is an idiot.

5. they have to have some reason for yoda to become a hobo in a swamp world.

6. see #4

Because Mr. Continuity took a leap.

How about that line in Return of the Jedi, where Leia "remembers" her real mother.

How could she do that if her mother died in childbirth?

Eh?

vision, maybe? or maybe she just remembers her head popping out of her mom's...well you know, and that annoying little nurse robot. i would remember a nurse like that to! or she could have just seen pictures of her.

Because Mr. Continuity took a leap.

How about that line in Return of the Jedi, where Leia "remembers" her real mother.

How could she do that if her mother died in childbirth?

Eh?
This IS a very interesting point. Luke is the only one who is held by Padme in the movie. Obi-Wan should have given Luke his last name of Kenobi too, but that wouldn't have sounded right.

Lucas is a great director, and Yoda lost because he was old and didn't have the power that Sidious had. All and all, Vader becomes stronger than both of them. And Kit Fisto died because he just got killed by Sidious. And I agree, there were A LOT of things that did not fill the gap between the new movies and the old movies. And they didn't mention each other because Yoda hadn't seen ANYONE at all for a long time since he was in exile. And Chewbacca really didn't see Yoda until the end of Return of The Jedi after Yoda became one with the force and was that ghost.

well, sidious is pretty damn old too!

I have a question. How come when Yoda is leaving the Wookis he says, "Goodbye, Chewbacca.", but in the other movies they never mention each other?

adding chebacca in was even more unnecessary than threepio and r2-d2. i halfway expected them to have the 10 year old versions of han and lando running around somewhere after that.

The Final Star Wars Movie left us asking many questions about what happened to who in what.

1. Why does R2-D2 not use his jets in the later movies?
becuse they did not have that kind of special effects avaible in the 70's

you guys should try to enjoy the movies..instead of looking for small details..

i've got a question. in the scene in the mustafar system, with padme, obi-wan, and anakin, was it really nessacery for padme to wear that little skirt when she was over 8 months pregnant?

that skirt wasn't actually a tiny little skirt. it was just hiked up by her twin-filled belly; originally it was a modest knee length affair.

that skirt wasn't actually a tiny little skirt. it was just hiked up by her twin-filled belly; originally it was a modest knee length affair.All of Padme's wardrobe was hideous. She needs to get herself a fashion consultant, (what's with the nightgown with pearl chains!? Augh!!).
Frankly, all the scenes she was in were the worst in the movie, though with lines like that, I can hardly blame poor Natalie Portman.

Anyway, I agree with Ocean ( :) ), nitpicking isn't to the point (though its alot of fun)

glad to see you smiling at me...again

*smiles back* :) :fluffle:

Cheers to that my friend!

r2d2 was bought off the sand people in the first movie. they must have taken a few spare parts off first.

yes padme has a hair obsession brought on by pregnancy. just be glad they didnt show her eating clay.

lucas lives in a dream world where he is a great director and editor. why would he ever let anyone else do those jobs.

leia remembers her mother but that doesnt mean the mother she remembers is padme eh?

padme isnt wearing a dress, its an uglyass tunic over pants, i checked closely the 2nd time.

chewbacca talked bout the time he met the little green jedi CONSTANTLY. what? you dont understand wookie??

Why didn't they just do a c-section on padme at the beginning of the movie instead of waiting to the end, thus preventing anakin from ever turning to the Dark Side?

Oh... What was the point of those other Jedi? I mean they just stood there,

"Please kill us!"


They were acting as role models for storm troopers

Why didn't they just do a c-section on padme at the beginning of the movie instead of waiting to the end, thus preventing anakin from ever turning to the Dark Side?

"Dammit, Jim! I'm a Jedi, not a doctor!"

Why didn't they just do a c-section on padme at the beginning of the movie instead of waiting to the end, thus preventing anakin from ever turning to the Dark Side?


I agree, what amazes me is that they have the technology to produce cities that float in the sky, ships that travel through hyperspace, weapons made of energy, artificial intelligence, smoothly working artificial limbs, but they can't prevent a woman from dying/suffering pain in childbirth. You'd think they'd just beam it out or something...

I agree, what amazes me is that they have the technology to produce cities that float in the sky, ships that travel through hyperspace, weapons made of energy, artificial intelligence, smoothly working artificial limbs, but they can't prevent a woman from dying/suffering pain in childbirth. You'd think they'd just beam it out or something...

Does no-one remember the med.droid? Something along the lines of: "She is perfectly healthy - but is dying"
A lost will to live, apparently, as cliche as that sounds. I guess you just have to assume that Padme wanted a 'natural' childbirth, and that's that.


As to why Leia might "remember" her mother - was she ever told that she was adopted? If not, then she'd probably be remembering Organa's wife - who, indeed, died while she (Leia) was young.

Even if she was aware that her parents were not her birth-parents, Luke never qualified his question with "do you remember your real mother" - Leia could have assumed he KNEW about her adoption, and just related her images of her adopted mother.

Does no-one remember the med.droid? Something along the lines of: "She is perfectly healthy - but is dying"
A lost will to live, apparently, as cliche as that sounds. I guess you just have to assume that Padme wanted a 'natural' childbirth, and that's that.


As to why Leia might "remember" her mother - was she ever told that she was adopted? If not, then she'd probably be remembering Organa's wife - who, indeed, died while she (Leia) was young.

Even if she was aware that her parents were not her birth-parents, Luke never qualified his question with "do you remember your real mother" - Leia could have assumed he KNEW about her adoption, and just related her images of her adopted mother.

Ah yes, but there are means of keeping someone alive with medical intervention. How much medical equipment did you see in that room? And besides, it couldn't have been very natural childbirth, she barely opened her legs! It was very quick too, geez, I wish childbirth really was that quick and relatively painless! (I've seen more pain in the face of a constipated gerbil than I saw in her's)...

Ah yes, but there are means of keeping someone alive with medical intervention. How much medical equipment did you see in that room? And besides, it couldn't have been very natural childbirth, she barely opened her legs! It was very quick too, geez, I wish childbirth really was that quick and relatively painless! (I've seen more pain in the face of a constipated gerbil than I saw in her's)...

Well, in consideration of her abysmal acting skills, I thought she had died in Episode I, and was merely impersonating Keith Richards in fancy dress.

Why didn't they just do a c-section on padme at the beginning of the movie instead of waiting to the end, thus preventing anakin from ever turning to the Dark Side?

Because the series is severely logic impaired. Dont get me wrong, I LOVED episodes IV V and III. I even saw episode VI half a dozen times in the movie hall(8th grade, first time GF, you get the idea)

The scope os the logical failures when it comes to Jedi combat techniques is beyond the scope of a single forum post. Suffice it to say, that given their abilities, I cannot think of a single reason to behave as they do in the movies. It just makes no sense.

Lucas did a good job with the Darth Plagus story; I made a couple of assumptions.

1. Darth Plagus was Sidious' master and taught him how to create/save life through manipulation of midichlorians.

2. Sidious killed Plagus.

3. Plagus or Sidious manipulated midichlorians to create Anakin.

Ah yes, but there are means of keeping someone alive with medical intervention. How much medical equipment did you see in that room? And besides, it couldn't have been very natural childbirth, she barely opened her legs! It was very quick too, geez, I wish childbirth really was that quick and relatively painless! (I've seen more pain in the face of a constipated gerbil than I saw in her's)...
yeah they could have saved her but obiwan was so un-attached that he didnt give a fuck if she lived or died. that part was up to her and so she died.

The only question I have is why Lucas didn't let someone else direct the last three movies.

His best Star Wars movie was The Empire Strikes Back - and it was good because Lucas didn't direct it.

IIRC, seeing as Lucas refuses to put traditional "credits" at the front end of the movies, he is in violation of some movie industry rule and is not allowed to have Guild Directors work on such a film.

Well, according to the Illustrated Guide to Episode 3, that thing they're on is a remote asteroid colony without much medical equiptment, and what is there is mostly for another species, or improvised.

As far as that scene with Leia remembering her real mother, I don't think they would've kept it a secret from her all her life. And you've got to remember Leia is, after all, a Skywalker, and actually could've become a Jedi. The Force was strong in her as well, so it could've had something to do with that.

It was a disappointing movie, I have to admit. However, they had a LOT more to cover in this movie than they did in ANY other movie (there was a 20-year-gap in there) and George Lucas stupidly wanted to get it over with, so they threw it together. Amen.

yeah they could have saved her but obiwan was so un-attached that he didnt give a fuck if she lived or died. that part was up to her and so she died.


Yeah, I thought it was a bit cold blooded to let a heavily pregnant woman lie on the cold ground unconcious and run off to beat some sense into her husband

Small problems in Ep3... Biggest thing I could pick out was Darths cheesiness.

"NOOOOO!" and "Fear the power of the dark side!"

Need I say more? Damn, he looked good in bin-liners and a dustbin before, now I'll never see him the same way again...

Yeah, I thought it was a bit cold blooded to let a heavily pregnant woman lie on the cold ground unconcious and run off to beat some sense into her husband

Well I don't the ground would've been all that cold, considering they were on a volcanic planet... ;)

becuse they did not have that kind of special effects avaible in the 70's

you guys should try to enjoy the movies..instead of looking for small details..

Oh, I know.

I'm just being a bitch :D

Was is just me, or shouldn't Qui-gon Jin been shown next to Obi-juan at the end of the movie when he took Luke to Tatooine? You never see any evidance that Yoda successfully taught Obi-juan how to talk to the dead. :confused:

Lucas did a good job with the Darth Plagus story; I made a couple of assumptions.

1. Darth Plagus was Sidious' master and taught him how to create/save life through manipulation of midichlorians.

2. Sidious killed Plagus.

3. Plagus or Sidious manipulated midichlorians to create Anakin.

!!!! :O

Dude!

I made the first assumption that Plahus was Sidious' master, and that he killed him, but I completely forgot that Anakin was just randomly created.
Brilliant deductions! :O

becuse they did not have that kind of special effects avaible in the 70's

you guys should try to enjoy the movies..instead of looking for small details..

They didn't have wire and aerosol?

Was is just me, or shouldn't Qui-gon Jin been shown next to Obi-juan at the end of the movie when he took Luke to Tatooine? You never see any evidance that Yoda successfully taught Obi-juan how to talk to the dead. :confused:

Obi-wan managed to become a force ghost in Episode IV, so apparently Yoda did teach him the skill.

1. Why does R2-D2 not use his jets in the later movies?

There was never the need to use them.

2. Why does Padme do only one thing in the movie, brushing her hair?

She's pregnant. You seriolsy expect her to be running around with a blaster? Also she was involved in lots of political scenes which were cut from the final movie.


3. Why does Kit Phisto Die?

Overwhelmed with surprise and speed on Palpatine's part. We know his name from the Expanded Univierse.




5. How does Yoda get his ass kicked?

Yoda and Paply were matched until Yoda fell to the bottom of the senate and lost a huge terrain advantage. Paplatine is also the most powerful dark side user at the time.

Re: Padme's death:

They wimped out, pure and simple. "She lost the will to live." BULL. Anakin FORCE CHOKED HER. He killed her. Then, truly, his conversion to the Dark Side was complete.

If anything, protecting her kids/hiding her kids/raising her kids should have given Padme the will to live.

But then, I always thought that given the events of Episode II she was an idiot. First, she actually listens to Anakin, who after NOT seeing her since he was nine goes off on a whiny rant about "Obi Wan never lets me have any fun." Then, her response to Anakin's confession, "I killed them all.... the women... and the children..." was essentially, "Oh, you poor baby -- let's get married."

I actually had to LAUGH when she said Anakin would never have killed the Younglings at the temple. It's like, "STUPID, did you forget he already confessed to murdering children before?!"

You'd think she'd have spoken to Obi Wan about that before, you know... "I love him but he needs mental help!"

1. Why does R2-D2 not use his jets in the later movies?
Who says he couldn't have? But I cannot recall a single instance in which he should have used his jets...

2. Why does Padme do only one thing in the movie, brushing her hair?
Brushing her hair portrayed her as a troubled person in deep thought - women tend to do that! I'd have enjoyed watching here take the bath before all the combing...
Then again, her action sequence in Attack of the Clones was utterly ridiculous and her firing a blaster as long as her arm one-handedly in the arena oughta snapped her wrist...

3. Why does Kit Phisto Die?
He underestimated the power of the Dark Side working in Sidious, and in addition, the way the four Jedis stood packed at the door, there wasn't really much room left to evade Sidious' attack. I guess that this was to show how powerful and fast Sidious was.
More accuratly, how do we even know his name, and is it really important?Apparently you don't know his name 'cause it's Kit Fisto. (starwars.com/databank)

4. Why does Lucas insist on using transitions, over, and over and over again?Oh! Those transitions are sooo typically Star Wars - a movie without them wouldn't work at all for me! Aah - the nostalgia...

5. How does Yoda get his ass kicked?He doesn't, really. It's more like a tactical retreat. After Yoda knocked out the two Imperial Red Guards, Mas Amedda leaves the room while the Emperor and Yoda fight. Mas has definitely sounded the alarm and the whole place was going to swarm with troops within minutes. Even a Jedi as powerful as Yoda cannot win against those odds. And he has lost his lightsaber when he plunges into to depths of the Senate...

6. Why didn't Lucas let someone else direct the movie?I think he did a pretty good job on this one for it finally again had the true Star Wars feel to it - Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are the ones you oughta complain about.

Even if she was aware that her parents were not her birth-parents, Luke never qualified his question with "do you remember your real mother" - Leia could have assumed he KNEW about her adoption, and just related her images of her adopted mother.

I just watched episode VI for about the 60th time a few days ago and he asks: "Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?" I guess you could say that she eigther didn't know that she was adopted or that some weird Force thing alowed her to know her mother or something. (really reaching) All in all the most serious continuation issue.

Also R2-D2's jet things on his feet were sold throughout the 20 years between III and IV in which time he and C-3P0 passed through many owners, including Wedge Antilles.

About the Yoda thing. In the book it says that Yoda retreats because he realizes that he may be the only Jedi left if Obi-Wan fails. If he dies there the jedi would have truly been destoyed forever.

There, hope a Star Wars Geek could help ya'll out. :D

Maddox did a nice review of the moive, today.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=episode3

Hmm... I might be missing something but how is it that R2-D2 got so like advanced? He was a dirty insignificant droid on a nabooan ship. And then he is flying, setting robots on fire. I mean you dont see other droids setting things on fire or doing some of the things that R2-D2 does.

I wonder why the Republic ships in the opening space battle are using shell-firing cannons (using cased ammo no less) instead of some form of energy weapon (recargeable from the ship reactors).

Another point:
When the wookies swing onto the droids they make a call that has to be a copy of tarzans from the movies of the 1950s

Al in all a decent movie that coulda been better.

P.S. Did anyone notice Tarkin at the end with vader and the emporer looking at the death star?

Someone raised a very good point no long ago:

WHY WOULD YOU HIDE LUKE WITH RELATIVES THAT DARTH VADER HAS ACTUALLY VISITED AND WHY WOULD YOU KEEP HIS LAST NAME AS SKYWALKER?

Does Darth Vader have the same IQ as a glass of water not to go looking on Tatooine with his only surving relatives? But then again, Darth Vader was turned to evil in about 2 seconds by a lying politican who he had met about 3 times in his life.

So my conclusion: Darth Vader is non-existent as are the rest of them. George Lucas however cannot any escape criticism in that way: in short George, you are an idiot. In long George, you are a stupid, moronic, day dreaming, obsessed, Jar-Jar loving, midicholiran swilling failure with all the cinematic skills of a dead door mouse.

Re: Padme's death:

They wimped out, pure and simple. "She lost the will to live." BULL. Anakin FORCE CHOKED HER. He killed her. Then, truly, his conversion to the Dark Side was complete.

If anything, protecting her kids/hiding her kids/raising her kids should have given Padme the will to live.
That was the one thing in the movie that annoyed me. You would think they could come up with something better then "she's lost the will to live". Say there were complications with the pregnancy, or she had cancer, or she suffered from sudden death syndrome, but don't wimp out and just say she doesn't want to live.

And also, the first thing I thoght when I saw that was "wouldn't seeing her children being born give her new reason to live"? Just a thought...

I thought it was OK, better than the first two even if it did leave some questions unanswered. I have some major philosophical issues with Lucas' definiation of "evil," mainly in that it's somehow inherently wrong to draw strength from inner passion. I have nothing but contempt for the Jedi ideology, but at the same time I can't condone the Sith lust for power.

All things considered, I'd only have acted differently from Vader in a few key respects; I'd have demanded that helping Padme be the first priority, and the rest of my actions under Palatine would have been directly contingent upon how he dealt with that situation. I also probably wouldn't have been all about sacking the Jedi Temple.

That said, I'd have murdered Paplatine where he stood once being informed of Padme's death. I probably wouldn't have force choked her either.

Hmmm.....throughout Episodes I, II, and III, the Jedi masters keep bitching about Anakin being the chosen one, who was supposed to bring balance to the force. Was he really the chosen one, or was Luke the chosen one?

Vader did bring balance to the force, considering that there are generally only two Sith at any one time; Palpatine was, in fact, the last of the Sith Lords I believe. Vader killed a shit ton of Jedi, leaving him and Palpatine as the only Sith and Obi-Wan and Yoda as the only remaining Jedi. I call that balance, at least from a Force persepective.

He did also end up destroying the Sith; don't forget he kills Palpatine later.

How could the Jedi not know that they would all be slaughtered? I mean, really. Let's think about this...

Only two known Sith... yet, thousands of us... Yes! You are the Chosen One! You will bring balance to the Force... by killing the Sith! Oh... wait... that will only make it even more un-balanced! Tee-hee! We are invincible!

WHY WOULD YOU HIDE LUKE WITH RELATIVES THAT DARTH VADER HAS ACTUALLY VISITED AND WHY WOULD YOU KEEP HIS LAST NAME AS SKYWALKER?

Vader assumed his child (he thought he only had one didn't know about the twin thing) was dead along with Padme. This is why in "Empire" when Palpatine tells him that luke is the son of Skywalker, Vader respond "How is that possible?" (or something) and then they go on to agree that they should turn Luke to the Dark side.

Hmm... I might be missing something but how is it that R2-D2 got so like advanced? He was a dirty insignificant droid on a nabooan ship. And then he is flying, setting robots on fire. I mean you dont see other droids setting things on fire or doing some of the things that R2-D2 does.

Remember that Anakin is a mechanical genius (built C-3PO when he was 9) i'm sure he could modify R2-D2 rather nicely.

That said, I'd have murdered Paplatine where he stood once being informed of Padme's death. I probably wouldn't have force choked her either.

He beleived his wife and son and every person he could call a freind (the jedi) were all dead. Palpatine is all he had left.

He beleived his wife and son and every person he could call a freind (the jedi) were all dead. Palpatine is all he had left.

I'm sorry, but an evil wrinkly dude is small apples compared to the woman I love. Since, sadly, I do not know Padme personally, it's hard for me to relate directly, but if you were to trade Vader out for me and Padme out for my woman [well, she's not really 'my' woman... yet], you'd have one fucking dead-ass Palpatine.

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

"Hehehe... Rise Vader.... Ahh... what? Let go of me! Ahhhh!!"

Originally posted by Melkor Unchained
I'm sorry, but an evil wrinkly dude is small apples compared to the woman I love. Since, sadly, I do not know Padme personally, it's hard for me to relate directly, but if you were to trade Vader out for me and Padme out for my woman [well, she's not really 'my' woman... yet], you'd have one fucking dead-ass Palpatine.

You must remember though that Anakin/Vader was told that HE himself killed Padme, he didn't think Palpatine did. Also, in the book it says that he tried to crush Palpatine like he was crushing everthing else but the Emperor was too powerful or something. It also says that Vader was severely weakened by being cut up and burned and what not. If he had won and killed Kenobi he would have become more powerful than the Empereor and Yoda like Palpatine said. But as it stood he was a peice of human wreckage not even respected by his fellow Imperials until the Emperor gave him a fleet and he killed everyone who didn't agree with him. Poor Admiral Ozzel :(

P.S.: how do you put the originally posted thing inside the quote box?