Pornography
Do you feel that all pornography should be allowed? Some allowed and some forbidden (child porn for example)? Do you think that all porn should be banned? Tell it here.
Adult pornography should be allowed for everyone 12 and up (except brutality/S&M) Child pornography illegal.
Santa Barbara
31-05-2005, 05:57
Furry porn should be banned, it's producers thrown in mirrored jails nd forced to examine their own, naked ape human nature.
Child pornography, pornography with animals, and pornography that depicts rape should be illegal. Everything else should be legal for those 18 and over.
Patra Caesar
31-05-2005, 06:04
Any pornography that has consenting adults only should be allowed, no animals and no children.
Is Zoophilic (animal) porn allowed today?
Doom777']Is Zoophilic (animal) porn allowed today?
Yes.
Adult pornography should be allowed for everyone 12 and up (except brutality/S&M) Child pornography illegal.
Wait, so no brutality/S&M to those 12 and a little older, or no brutality/S&M for everyone?
Doom777']Wait, so no brutality/S&M to those 12 and a little older, or no brutality/S&M for everyone?
None for anyone.
Patra Caesar
31-05-2005, 06:16
I don't see what the problem with rape imitation porn. Sure, some psycho will try and say "I saw it on TV so I tried it," but people need to take responsibility for their actions. You wouldn't ban it if they pretended to be school children behind the dunnie, nor would you ban that strange porn where adults dress up as babies in oversized nappies.
All porn should be allowed for whatever legal age is established, as long as consent is given in all aspects of production.
Thus, animal and child porn would be illegal. However, rape imitation, as long as the subject was not actually raped, would be legal. And if an 18-year-old is small-boned and can look 14 and they want to make a film that depicts her as a younger girl, then that's fine as long as she's actually a legal adult. And heck, if they can make a REALLY realistic doll (or special effects without using actual people's faces) of a 6-year-old or a dog and they make a porno with somebody fucking that, that's okay too.
I don't see what the problem with rape imitation porn. Sure, some psycho will try and say "I saw it on TV so I tried it," but people need to take responsibility for their actions. You wouldn't ban it if they pretended to be school children behind the dunnie, nor would you ban that strange porn where adults dress up as babies in oversized nappies.
Dressing up like something and playing out a fantasy doesn't trigger or hurt people... imitation rape in porn does just that. I'm not saying that everyone who watches it would go out and rape someone, but it might trigger that underlaying psychological problem. Besides, it might trigger someone who has been raped into a panic attack or into flashbacks (esp if the porn they watch does not state that there is such a scene in that movie).
Santa Barbara
31-05-2005, 06:23
Dressing up like something and playing out a fantasy doesn't trigger or hurt people... imitation rape in porn does just that. I'm not saying that everyone who watches it would go out and rape someone, but it might trigger that underlaying psychological problem. Besides, it might trigger someone who has been raped into a panic attack or into flashbacks (esp if the porn they watch does not state that there is such a scene in that movie).
One could say the exact same thing about any movie with violence. Maybe we shouldn't have movies about Vietnam, they might trigger flashbacks. We can't just censor anything that MIGHT trigger somebody's "underlaying psychological problem." Why? ANYTHING *might* trigger somebody's underlaying psychological problems! Anything!
All porn should be allowed for whatever legal age is established, as long as consent is given in all aspects of production.
Thus, animal and child porn would be illegal. However, rape imitation, as long as the subject was not actually raped, would be legal. And if an 18-year-old is small-boned and can look 14 and they want to make a film that depicts her as a younger girl, then that's fine as long as she's actually a legal adult. And heck, if they can make a REALLY realistic doll (or special effects without using actual people's faces) of a 6-year-old or a dog and they make a porno with somebody fucking that, that's okay too.
What if the parents of the child give consent?
BTW, when I said in my reply, "Child porn illegal." I did not mean nudes. There should be a sex act involved for it to be illegal.
One could say the exact same thing about any movie with violence. Maybe we shouldn't have movies about Vietnam, they might trigger flashbacks. We can't just censor anything that MIGHT trigger somebody's "underlaying psychological problem." Why? ANYTHING *might* trigger somebody's underlaying psychological problems! Anything!
Because rape is such a HUGE problem (at least in the US). One in three women are victims and once a woman is victimizes, she is three times more likley to be a victim again... that leaves a ton of rapists out there and even more rape victims. Besides, anyone that gets off on a person being raped is a sicko, anyway. I know that's personal opinion, but I think most people would agree with me. I am all for not censoring things, but when it is a proven fact there is such a problem in society, something has to be done about it and people need to take a stand.
I respect your opinion, I just strongly disagree.
I've got nothing against any kind of porn* because there are a whole shitload of fetishes, but I'd like to at least see the producers use common sense and intelligence.* I also think that the Government should moderate pornography; for instance, people who record or participate in child pornography should be used to test new weapon systems for the military; things like fuel air explosives, napalm derivatives, and new antipersonnel tools.
*1) Except child porn. I think I made that one clear.
*2) If you've been seeing Jenna Haze (For example) in films for four years, and then she says something that directly references her age(In this case 19), she's either lying or she's been active on-film since she was fifteen. Whoops.
Regarding any kind of "Flashback triggering," I've been around Vets a long time. Most of them are pretty stable, but just hearing Vietnamese (For example) can cause a few to go off the deep end. Ideally they "go off" without thinking that they're in the middle of a firefight, but you get the point. Moderation of something because it may cause a flashback is useless, as mentioned above. Simply ANYTHING can cause a flashback.
You want people to stop barbequeing (Sp?) because it might set a Canadian peacekeeper off, thinking it's Medak again? Etc.
Santa Barbara
31-05-2005, 06:35
Because rape is such a HUGE problem (at least in the US). One in three women are victims and once a woman is victimizes, she is three times more likley to be a victim again... that leaves a ton of rapists out there and even more rape victims. Besides, anyone that gets off on a person being raped is a sicko, anyway. I know that's personal opinion, but I think most people would agree with me. I am all for not censoring things, but when it is a proven fact there is such a problem in society, something has to be done about it and people need to take a stand.
I respect your opinion, I just strongly disagree.
I haven't given my opinion, other than to point out the logical flaws in your reasoning. You are saying essentialy:
a) Rape is a large problem
b) Depictions of rape in movies may cause trauma to rape victims
c) Depictions of rape in movies may incourage rape
d) Depictions of rape in movies should be [controlled or banned]
Well, by the exact same reasoning I can justify banning just about every movie around. Especially action movies. And drama. And war movies. And news on the TV.
a) Violent crime is a large problem
b) Depictions of violent crime in movies may cause trauma to violent crime victims
c) Depictions of violent crime in movies (And video games!) may incourage violent crime
d) Violence in movies or video games should be banned
See? It's a slippery slope you're arguing if you're against censorship.
Because rape is such a HUGE problem (at least in the US). One in three women are victims and once a woman is victimizes, she is three times more likley to be a victim again... that leaves a ton of rapists out there and even more rape victims. Besides, anyone that gets off on a person being raped is a sicko, anyway. I know that's personal opinion, but I think most people would agree with me. I am all for not censoring things, but when it is a proven fact there is such a problem in society, something has to be done about it and people need to take a stand.
I respect your opinion, I just strongly disagree.
I agree that getting off on rape is kind of sick, but that's not really yours to judge. And I think that if somebody's fetish is rape, watching a porno could relieve that and they're less inclined to go out and actually do it. Same with child or animal porn. Feed the fetish so it won't manifest in destructive ways.
About the parents giving consent... I don't know how to answer that, honestly, but I don't think the issue will come up. I mean, if parents are not allowed to validate their 15-year-old's consent to ordinary private sex, what are the chances it'll ever be a question whether they should be allowed to consent for their CHILD to participate in a porno film?
And - last comment: Of course all types of erotic literature should be legal, unless the author was under some sort of duress to write it.
Renshahi
31-05-2005, 06:58
Well here is the way I see it. I eat meat, and I am sure the cow does not consent to that either, so if some one wants to screw the cow, go for it. Kids, thats touchy. I mean, 15 seems young, but that is old enough to reproduce, so why not? On the other hand, I wuold kill someone who touched my 15 year old sister, and no decent parent would react less so I think kiddie porn is out.
Rape simulation. Hey, you dont want to watch it, dont. If its how you get your jollys cool, just dont make it reality. Hell thinking any porn is real is wrong in the first place-its freakin porn!
New Granada
31-05-2005, 07:48
Child pornography should be illegal only insofar as it involves raping a child.
Ie, people drawing pictures of it or something along those lines should not be illegal, as it does not victimize anyone.
New Fubaria
31-05-2005, 08:21
As long as all participants are consenting (children and animals cannot legally consent), I say go for it!
New Fubaria
31-05-2005, 08:25
Dressing up like something and playing out a fantasy doesn't trigger or hurt people... imitation rape in porn does just that. I'm not saying that everyone who watches it would go out and rape someone, but it might trigger that underlaying psychological problem. Besides, it might trigger someone who has been raped into a panic attack or into flashbacks (esp if the porn they watch does not state that there is such a scene in that movie).
How about movies or TV shows that show "rape scenes" as part of their story? SVU, for example?