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What do you think the world would be like if Gore had won (without any doubt), the 2000 election?

I'll give my answer in a few minutes, but I'll tell ya right now, I have next to nothing good to say about his wife's ideas.

What do you think the world would be like if Gore had won (without any doubt), the 2000 election?

I'll give my answer in a few minutes, but I'll tell ya right now, I have next to nothing good to say about his wife's ideas.
We would have seen a string of anti-capitalistic legislation that would have put the economy even MORE in the crapper...and a resurgence of the Parent's Music Resource Center. :sniper:

I'd be much happier

We would have invaded Afghanistan to persue UBL, but not Iraq.

Homosexual marriage would not be an issue today.

The Patriot Acts would never have been passed.

Social Security would not be on the chopping block. Reform maybe, but not this private accounts crap.

Oh, and I don't think this brewing conflict with Iran would be an issue either.

There would be hope.

But I don't have hope anymore. Bush and his neocons have stolen it from me.

Here's my views.

1) He'd have next to no power due to Congress being so whiney.

2) His wife would make sure he passed a "movie decency" bill.

3) We would not be in a war with Iraq, but we would be in one against Taliban/ Al Queda.

4) No Fahrenheit 9/11 put out by Moore.

5) A LOT of gun control.

6) Perhaps civil unions, but Congress may have thought gay marriage was more of a threat with Gore, so we may have had a Gay Marriage Amendment in the constitution.

7) Driving age would be raised to a minimum of 18.

8) Less funding for drug war possibly. (A plus in my view)

9) Internet censorship due to Tipper.

10) The world would respect us a bit more.

11) Violent video game ban. (I don't trust Lieberman or Tipper with regards to censorship)

as hypocritical and close-minded as i find most democrats/liberals, (that i know anyway) i would have to say that the world would likely be a better place had Gore won back in 2000. the party which ignores its own morals (pro life until birth, big business, etc.) would not have the influence it does today and that, i must say would be a very very good thing. our economy would not likely be this far into the crapper and i can say for sure that social security would not even be in need of reform for another 10 years or so. idk, just another opinion in a sea full of them.

First of all, he would've pissed his fucking pants after 9/11, and would've spouted some shit like "yeah, we should definetely look into stopping these guys". A shittier economy, as he would undoubtedly have raised taxes on the rich, social security would be left untouched. Violent videogames/ movies would be more restricted, if not banned. So, all in all, we'd be pretty much where we are now.

He did win. Without a doubt.

He did win. Without a doubt.

I thought he lost Florida by like 527 votes or something, we found out.

I thought he lost Florida by like 527 votes or something, we found out.
He won the popular vote. That's a win to me.

He won the popular vote. That's a win to me.

Oh... Well, it's still with doubt though, then. You'd have to take a vote using the whole country about if they like the electoral college system or not, and then the outcome would have to be in your favor for it to be without a doubt.

What do you think the world would be like if Gore had won (without any doubt), the 2000 election?

Gore did win, without a doubt, the 2000 election.

Show me one site that shows that the people of the United States did not elect him. The Electorate and the Supreme Court gave it to Bush.

That said, look at the world now. This is what the world is like and Gore won 2000.

So, the question is moot.

Gore did win, without a doubt, the 2000 election.

Show me one site that shows that the people of the United States did not elect him. The Electorate and the Supreme Court gave it to Bush.

That said, look at the world now. This is what the world is like and Gore won 2000.

So, the question is moot.

Whatever people. Stop splitting hairs here. The question is, what would the world be like if he were in office. Damn, y'all are picky.

If Gore had won:

The Taliban would still be oppressing Afganistan.

Saddam Hussein would still be murdering and starving his own people while bribeing the UN.

The US would be spiraling towards ineffective European style Socialism.

Thousands of terrorists would be walking free, continuing their fanatical comentment to destoy the West.

The US would be spiraling towards ineffective European style Socialism.

is this the same ineffective European style socialism that gives the highest standards of living in the world?

Hah..hahahahahahaha

Oh...whooo....I'm sorry

I do like comedy's tho.

Show me one site that shows that the people of the United States did not elect him. The Electorate and the Supreme Court gave it to Bush.
Actually, 5 or 6 independent recounts (by the Miami Herald and other papers/organizations) said Gore *still* lost the popular vote.

Whatever people. Stop splitting hairs here. The question is, what would the world be like if he were in office. Damn, y'all are picky.

Oh ... well then....

Same shit, different President.

Neocons would still be bitching. Liberals would still be protesting. Islamofascists would still be bent on world domination. Karl Rove would still be the most evil man in history. We'd still be at war. The towers would still be debris. NS General would still be a cesspool of ignorance.

Nothing would be any different.

Actually, 5 or 6 independent recounts (by the Miami Herald and other papers/organizations) said Gore *still* lost the popular vote.

Okie dokie, skipper. You go right ahead and cling to that all you want. :)

Okie dokie, skipper. You go right ahead and cling to that all you want. :)
Wow. Denial is NOT a river in Egypt. :eek:

is this the same ineffective European style socialism that gives the highest standards of living in the world?

I have known a few people who have visited Europe. One of the things they talk about is how Europeans have so little when compared to people in the US. My friend who lived in France for two years was turned into an adent anti-socialist by his experiance with overly-taxed Parisians. He says one of the worst things is they don't even know how bad off they are.

Wow. Denial is NOT a river in Egypt. :eek:

Yes it is ... shut up! *fingers in ears* LALALALALALALALA I can't hear you LALALALALA!

:D

I have known a few people who have visited Europe. One of the things they talk about is how Europeans have so little when compared to people in the US. My friend who lived in France for two years was turned into an adent anti-socialist by his experiance with overly-taxed Parisians. He says one of the worst things is they don't even know how bad off they are.

Remember year before last, when thousands died from a heat wave? They didn't even have air conditioning.

Yes it is ... shut up! *fingers in ears* LALALALALALALALA I can't hear you LALALALALA!

:D
/me cracks up laughing

:p

For starters, 9/11 wouldnt have occured. Either gore would have actually taken a look at what was given to him, or at least been more effective with using the airforce to stop the hijackers. With no 9/11, there would be no afghanistan, and either way there would have been no Iraqi war. There would have been no tax-cut, and the economy would not be down the crapper, as opposed to what the armageddon-conservatives like to believe. Other than these, things would most likely be the same. Sadly, the 1994 AWB would probably have been re-passed. We would probably have a focus on inner-problems instead of foreign affairs, using the clinton surplus to fund programs.

But its all moot. Gore did win :)

The nation would be worible. The econimy would be in a major recetion, taxes would be like 50% (thats just income tax, like 65% including state taxes). Gore would reconize terrorist as a courty or suming. The would would suck. We would have like 3 more 9/11s. Even talking about guns would be illegal. You would be able to kill your kids if they were less then a month old (It would be called "after birth abortion").

The nation would be renamed ISSA (Inderpendent Socilist States of America).

But its all moot. Gore did win :)

It's not all moot as he didn't become President. Savy? Something tells me you are misusing the word "moot" here.

/me cracks up laughing

:p


Well you do know that Al Gore invented the airplane, right?

(side note: 2000 was the only year I broke away from the Democratic Party and voted Nader. Yes, that's right, I voted for Nader. HA!)

Well you do know that Al Gore invented the airplane, right?

(side note: 2000 was the only year I broke away from the Democratic Party and voted Nader. Yes, that's right, I voted for Nader. HA!)
I KNEW Gore was behind 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:p

I can't say anything. I voted for Perot in 92. Then I kicked myself about 9000 times when I found out his Nazi-istic stance on gun control. *ack*

A lot of peopel such as my father did not vote, because in a state like Indiana, everyone knows we are going republican. Im sure there are more states like that. My dad voted just this past election so the democrats couldnt run around saying, "but he won the popular vote!"

I can't say anything. I voted for Perot in 92. Then I kicked myself about 9000 times when I found out his Nazi-istic stance on gun control. *ack*

Ahahahaha .... Perot? Rock on.

Nice to see I'm not the only one with a bad vote in his closet. :D

Homosexual marriage would not be an issue today.

Social Security would not be on the chopping block. Reform maybe, but not this private accounts crap.

Oh, and I don't think this brewing conflict with Iran would be an issue either.
Hah, just how blind are you? The states that voted for their own constitutional amendments banning gay marriage would have still done so. The homosexual bloc pushed that part of their agenda way too hard and way too early. Naturally given the situation, a backlash occurred. They should have waited another 10 years at the very least before making the major push for that, closer to 30 if they wanted it to have a good chance of success.


You do realize that if you were to stick the same amount of money that gets put in your socsec account in a bank at the same interval that the government does, you would get a better return on your money by the time you would be able to draw from socsec. The private accounts were a choice deal. You could choose to leave it in the same fund it was in or you could put it in a private account. The private accounts are vastly superior to the current or any reformed state of socsec.


Bullshit, they were planning this when Clinton was in office. The difference is there would be no one opposing their designs on nukes.

if Gore had won the Supreme court would have appointed Bush as President, oh wait...

For starters, 9/11 wouldnt have occured. Either gore would have actually taken a look at what was given to him, or at least been more effective with using the airforce to stop the hijackers. With no 9/11, there would be no afghanistan, and either way there would have been no Iraqi war. There would have been no tax-cut, and the economy would not be down the crapper, as opposed to what the armageddon-conservatives like to believe. Other than these, things would most likely be the same. Sadly, the 1994 AWB would probably have been re-passed. We would probably have a focus on inner-problems instead of foreign affairs, using the clinton surplus to fund programs.

But its all moot. Gore did win :)
Ahh, the enjoyment and laughter that comes from reading posts such as these.

Sadly, I think Bush is better than Gore would have been, but not by much. I enjoy my non-censored videogames and movies thank ya very much.

From what I understand, Gore did not enter the election thinking that he only had to win the popular vote.
Our system is designed with the electoral college, and if Gore had won the electoral vote, he would have won the election.
Bush and Gore both knew this. It was the rules as set up in the constitution. The supreme court occasionally does its job and enforces the constitution, this is a perfect example. You cant go changing the rules after the game has started.

I bet that if the tables were reversed, you liberals would be just fine with the results.

Ahh, the enjoyment and laughter that comes from reading posts such as these.

Ahh, how nice it is to respond to posts while not actually saying anything whatsoever.

Instead of saying he won the popular vote as a whole, it should be noted that Gore lost a majority of the elections in each of the 50 states.

The US is a union of states, and our voting system SHOULD reflect that. California is a big state, but if like 10 states band together against it, those results should reflect the will of the greatest number of states, rather than its most influential members.

Actually, 5 or 6 independent recounts (by the Miami Herald and other papers/organizations) said Gore *still* lost the popular vote.You're referring to the popular vote in Florida, whereas the others are referring to the national popular vote. Gore won that.
I do have to add that those recounts, or at least some of them were conducted in different ways. Some counted the votes as they were cast, and invalidated the chads that weren't all the way perforated. Then one of the others counted chads that were mostly perforated, and another counted them the way that Gore wanted them to be counted. That one gave Gore the victory.
Mind you, I'm not saying that they should necessarily have been counted Gore's way, even though we'd be better off under him.

For starters, 9/11 wouldnt have occured. Either gore would have actually taken a look at what was given to him, or at least been more effective with using the airforce to stop the hijackers.

Taken a look at what was given to him... you mean dropped three bombs in the desert and repeatedly lost Osama due to inaction like Clinton did?

There would have been no tax-cut, and the economy would not be down the crapper, as opposed to what the armageddon-conservatives like to believe.

The economy was going down before Bush came into office, pal. Check graphs on industrial production, employment and check pre-2001 stock market charts - the economy was already going down. Presidents have very little power to affect the economy directly in their time, it generally happens 5-10 years after any attempts are made to affect it. Way to know your history, way to know your economics. And, by the way, that "tax cut for the rich" was a tax cut for everyone. My family has an income of around thirty thousand, and we got $840 back.

But its all moot. Gore did win :)

Not according to the electoral college, which is what truly determines the winners of the Presidency. And, in case you didn't know, it's not like this is the first time this has happened; there is precedent for it.

I thought he lost Florida by like 527 votes or something, we found out.
.....MAYBE you're posting a number of a fundraising group and not the votes, hmmm? .....
See McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance Law?
See also attempt of RNC to nail any non-profit organization by effectively circumventing/negating First Amendment?
See Ellen Weintraub & CO.'s response to that cowardly act?

You do realize that if you were to stick the same amount of money that gets put in your socsec account in a bank at the same interval that the government does, you would get a better return on your money by the time you would be able to draw from socsec. The private accounts were a choice deal. You could choose to leave it in the same fund it was in or you could put it in a private account. The private accounts are vastly superior to the current or any reformed state of socsec.

It's funny how many of the people who understand the nature of this idea don't agree with you. Perhaps you could glean a main investment stock that isn't going to be corrupted in such a fashion as to imperil the investor WORSE than the hideous majority of IOU's that constitutes Social Security now? Admit it, you just like the idea of the government shirking off its responsibilities since many people of a specific party tend to think of it as social welfare and besides, when you love a president who publicly subscribes to the bullsh*t mantra "deficits don't matter" and completely ignore how they don't matter as long as they can take out excess expenditures for invasions/such from places like ... social security, sure, convert everyone and have major campaign contributors like Citigroup get beaucoup bucks for fees and transactions and programs and such and the rest goes where?

Of course, YOU DO REALIZE that the approval numbers of Bush's Social Security Hijack Attempt Tour '05 are very easy to find and really aren't in his favour? Because, of course, everyone else is, although marginally a better study of english language and ethics, much more f*cking stupid when it comes to sound fiscal policy? *notes varying U.S. deficit #'s*

Wow. Denial is NOT a river in Egypt. :eek:
Punch these up, maybe, you sound a little myopic.
www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,949709,00.html
and
Atlanta Constitution, May 28, 2001 (pertinent Database Technologies)
Washington Times, November 12, 2001 (recount)
and maybe
www.aei.org/docLib/20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf

and maybe even

St. Petersburg Times, December 21, 2003
and
Atlanta Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001 (pertinent ChoicePoint)

Well you do know that Al Gore invented the airplane, right?

(side note: 2000 was the only year I broke away from the Democratic Party and voted Nader. Yes, that's right, I voted for Nader. HA!)
I'm still paying him royalties for my internet usage. *sigh*

I don't think Gore would have been in Florida taking reading lessons from a bunch of primary school students. :eek:

I don't think Gore would have been in Florida taking reading lessons from a bunch of primary school students. :eek:
No. Gore would have banned books in order to SAVE TEH TREEEEZZZZZ! :sniper:

If Gore won I would hope that innocent Canadians would not be deported on no charge to their ancestor's country of origin. Just look at the "Syrian" who is actually Canadian. Rather than deporting him to Canada, those brilliant American Customs agents or whom ever did it send the poor man off to Syria! I would also hope that the whole guantanamo bay issue, recently declared a human rights failure, would not be an issue, or would be less of an issue. Americans are too powerful, the global political scales are tipped, there is no USSR to balance out America, so they basically have free reign.

No. Gore would have banned books in order to SAVE TEH TREEEEZZZZZ! :sniper:
You don't think he would have them incorporated into some farcicle "energy policy" so he'd have them burned to create usable energy to perpetuate the use of his patented "internet"?
:confused:
....or is he not QUITE that evil?

*Note - I don't care much for him but his daughter did good with Futurama. Dad's blandness even shined through in most of his parts when he was a guest on the show!*

If Gore won I would hope that innocent Canadians would not be deported on no charge to their ancestor's country of origin. Just look at the "Syrian" who is actually Canadian. Rather than deporting him to Canada, those brilliant American Customs agents or whom ever did it send the poor man off to Syria! I would also hope that the whole guantanamo bay issue, recently declared a human rights failure, would not be an issue, or would be less of an issue. Americans are too powerful, the global political scales are tipped, there is no USSR to balance out America, so they basically have free reign.
Hey there Bellaclava, welcome to NS - and the feller's name is Maher Arar. I and CanuckHeaven have some extensive info on the guy. TG me if you want my part.

Yes, it took a while to sink in .... the Correspondant's Dinner joke compliment from the first lady would've been CONSIDERABLY tamer. Not so much bestiality references, methinks.