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What do people think aabout jews?

(I'm religous, btw.)

What do people think aabout jews?

(I'm religous, btw.)
Not a bad main course but way too much for a starter

Not a bad main course but way too much for a starter

Have a point for amusing me.

I have no opinion on jews as a whole whatsoever. Like making generalised opinions on any group, it would be inaccurate. I'm sure they have their fair share of bastards and good guys like any other group.

Not a bad main course but way too much for a starter

you mean you like reform/conservative better?

They're all so damn Jewish.

you mean you like reform/conservative better?

I'm allergic to them

My dad's entire side of the family is Jewish, so even though I'm Catholic, I do celebrate some of the major Jewish holidays with the family, and it's quite fun. My girlfriend is Jewish too, and I love her to death.

The ones ive meet are fine people, and are my friends..the ones in Israel I dont like..not all of them just the conservative ones.

My jewish friend has been to Israel and he says they arent as nice as other jews..Ive never been thier so I cant really comment on that.

They're all so damn Jewish.

really!! ;)

Haven't met too many non-religious jews, but while I don't believe they're right in many aspects, they teach Torah (Bible) values (so can't be too bad), and the few I've met were OK.

They're no better and no worse than any other group of people.

i was brought up under reform judaism... right now i really dont believe in any god @ all though. I live in a place where the majority of the town is jewish, white, and rich.. so we're full of lots of jappy girls getting new bmw's every other day. and dont get me started on the "jewish moms".. sometimes they are annoying... my mom is jewish, unfortuantely, shes turning into the stereotype jewish mom too. Anyway.. most of the are fine... the chasidim (really conservative) cant drive @ all <<< worse than indian women i think.

I must say I'm pleasantly surprised: I thought for sure there wee some Anti-semites here!

i was brought up under reform judaism... right now i really dont believe in any god @ all though. I live in a place where the majority of the town is jewish, white, and rich.. so we're full of lots of jappy girls getting new bmw's every other day. and dont get me started on the "jewish moms".. sometimes they are annoying... my mom is jewish, unfortuantely, shes turning into the stereotype jewish mom too. Anyway.. most of the are fine... the chasidim (really conservative) cant drive @ all <<< worse than indian women i think.

Did you know that, since your mom's jewish, halachicaly (according to jewish law), you're Jewish?

Jews - religion:
I don't give a shit. Every religion is an equal amount of contradicitions put together and worshipped by people who lack either ability or will to inform themselves about the world, namely science.

Jews - people:
I never believed there was a Jewish race. If I go and do the ritual, does may genetics change? But many people identify themselves as Jewish people, so I guess they do exist.

Jews - politics:
Big load of chauvinist bullshit. The bible never happened in the way it is being portrayed. There are many things that have never been reported. There is no jewish state, because the Jews were expelled from there by many different nations over the millennia. Still, they believe because they are the chosen people and therefore have a right to this land. They don't have a right anymore than the palestinians do. Why don't the Italians, or the French go there and declare it theirs because at some stage in history they owned it?

Jews - big conspiracy:
Hehe, well I saw on TV the other day that many fundamentalist Christians in the US apparently believe there is some sort of prophecy concerning the time when the Jews are expelled from the Holy Land. They said that it would "lead to the apocalypse".
That and lots of money being spent by lobbyists in the US may direct US-Policy quite significantly, but I don't think the average Jew is aware that he's member of an exclusive conspiracy.... :p

I suppose the Catholics control the media, wink wink.

I must say I'm pleasantly surprised: I thought for sure there wee some Anti-semites here!

mainly flammers who are probably still dribbling about how this thread has not got an anti sematic opinion. Either that or they are finding statistics on how jewish people are the scum of the earth.

Please note this is not my opinion in relation to jewish people

Jews - religion:
I don't give a shit. Every religion is an equal amount of contradicitions put together and worshipped by people who lack either ability or will to inform themselves about the world, namely science.
-snip-
Jews - politics:
Big load of chauvinist bullshit. The bible never happened in the way it is being portrayed. There are many things that have never been reported. There is no jewish state, because the Jews were expelled from there by many different nations over the millennia. Still, they believe because they are the chosen people and therefore have a right to this land. They don't have a right anymore than the palestinians do. Why don't the Italians, or the French go there and declare it theirs because at some stage in history they owned it?


1. Jews believe G-d gave us the land, so therefore we DO have a right to it--not just a "we were there first" claim.

2. If you read the right books, there are plenty of ways to reconcile G-d and science.

If you read the right books, there are plenty of ways to reconcile G-d and science.

Exactly. One good question would be, "How did the Big Bang start?" Sure, it may have created the Universe, but how did the conditions before the Big Bang come to be? Until scientists find a way to look at the beginning of Time, it's a lot easier to just point up and blame it on The Big Guy Upstairs.

Another point is: where are the 'missing links' of Darwin?

1. Jews believe G-d gave us the land, so therefore we DO have a right to it--not just a "we were there first" claim.

2. If you read the right books, there are plenty of ways to reconcile G-d and science.

1. So if I started a religion, claiming that my god gave me Eastern Prussia, then Germany would have the right to take it back from the Polish and Russians? (and I could make up a different example so don't come with "you deserved to lose it!")

2. You can write all kinds of books that can prove everything. In practice though, religious concerns always stand in the way of scientific progress when it seems to somehow contradict them. Kopernikus, Stem-Cell Research etc springs to mind.
The only way to do it thoroughly is to disgard pretty much all religion and only keep the god bit as explanation for why there were exactly the amount of different particles at the Big Bang to lead to this outcome. Not that we'd know if it had come any different.

Another point is: where are the 'missing links' of Darwin?

So are you saying that god put certain animals on this world in the middle of evolution happening? That he might do the same tomorrow?
Some of the missing link animals and plants have been found, more will follow. But until the last one is found, I guess people will cling to what they were taught to believe.

Gah! Please, stop with the creationism. That wasn't the topic question.

Jewish people ROCK, they know how to drink and grow beards

*HEAD BANGS*

Exactly. One good question would be, "How did the Big Bang start?" Sure, it may have created the Universe, but how did the conditions before the Big Bang come to be? Until scientists find a way to look at the beginning of Time, it's a lot easier to just point up and blame it on The Big Guy Upstairs.
There actually is a solid theory on how the big bang started, but it's too high level science for most people, and I'm too tired to go into it.

Jews rock, we're from the original ghetto.

Leonstan, according to science, can matter come from nothing? No, it can't. Obviously someone/something is beyond scince. You seem to be willing to aquiesce that G-d started it off, do you think G-d just made man for fun? He had a purpose in mind, and that is what Judaism preaches.

I have a lot of respect for the Jewish people, mainly because of its emphasis on being scholarly. This is a group of people who have identified themselves and defined themselves as Jewish for four thousand years. That's quite an accomplishment. And the ethics and judicial practices of the Jews may well have been the basis for the Greek system, and therefore the Roman system and our own.

Of course, the Jews have some total jerks, just like any other people. My friend has a picture online of the Palestinian Territories across the Dead Sea (http://www.pbase.com/bmcmorrow/image/41926358) and a jerk named Aharon left this post: "There is NO such a thing as " Palestinian Territories! Same way, as NO such a nation as a Palestinians! Gosh, man! You should at least read a few historical books, not only a news papers! Real 'Palestinians' was a Greek origin and was wiped out by King David from the face of Earth! 'Palestinians', means 'Invaders'. The TRUTH speaking for itself!"

That was some uncalled -for malevolence.

Another point is: where are the 'missing links' of Darwin?

Um...missing? :headbang:

I've never met a Jew before, and I don't understand why anti-Semitism is a big thing. Jews are just like Negroes, just like Chinese, just like Americans etc. etc. We are all of the same human race. We are not different.

If you're pissed because a Jew thought up of Communism, tough luck, because it was an American who ordered the dropping of two atomic bombs.

If you're pissed because the Jews seem to control everything in your own country, tough luck as well because your own population is not competitive enough. You can't blame anybody but yourself.

I've never met a Jew before, and I don't understand why anti-Semitism is a big thing. Jews are just like Negroes, just like Chinese, just like Americans etc. etc. We are all of the same human race. We are not different.

If you're pissed because a Jew thought up of Communism, tough luck, because it was an American who ordered the dropping of two atomic bombs.

If you're pissed because the Jews seem to control everything in your own country, tough luck as well because your own population is not competitive enough. You can't blame anybody but yourself.

*ships you a massive crate of cookies*

I've never met a Jew before, and I don't understand why anti-Semitism is a big thing. Jews are just like Negroes, just like Chinese, just like Americans etc. etc. We are all of the same human race. We are not different.

Bravo, Bravo!

I like them as much as the US loves Bin Laden.

If you're pissed because the Jews seem to control everything in your own country, tough luck as well because your own population is not competitive enough. You can't blame anybody but yourself.
:mp5: If they want to control something they can control Buchenwald.

I must say I'm pleasantly surprised: I thought for sure there wee some Anti-semites here!


I am radically Right wing...AKA one step past a neo. Anyway, I jsut wont say anything stupid to get me banned! Yo Mods! You cant ban me for my beliefs so..yay! As long as I do not use Right wing tactics to "Break" these people. Thanks for reading! :)

I like them as much as the US loves Bin Laden.


:mp5: If they want to control something they can control Buchenwald.

Isn't that lovely...

What do people think aabout jews?

(I'm religous, btw.)

As a Jew, I can say this: We are deeply offended by people who put two 'a's in 'about'. :D

Incidently, do you mean you're a practitioner of Judaism when you say you're religious? As in ... are you a Jew who's getting a feel for the forum?

I, myself, am a Muslim Jew. Jewish by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah. Booyah!

However, always nice to see a brother or sister Jew show up on the forums. :)

I like them as much as the US loves Bin Laden.


:mp5: If they want to control something they can control Buchenwald.

I must say you've got to be Nazi-ish beyond what I thought possible to be a sick enough person to say something like that.

As a Jew, I can say this: We are deeply offended by people who put two 'a's in 'about'. :D

Incidently, do you mean you're a practitioner of Judaism when you say you're religious? As in ... are you a Jew who's getting a feel for the forum?

I, myself, am a Muslim Jew. Jewish by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah. Booyah!

However, always nice to see a brother or sister Jew show up on the forums. :)

I am a practicing jew. How can you be a muslim--they hate us so much (suicide bombers, Israeli wars)!

I am a practicing jew. How can you be a muslim--they hate us so much (suicide bombers, Israeli wars)!You do realize that there is a difference between religion/spirituality and dirty politics. They're connectd, but so?

Keruvalia's odd religious hybridity is a different topic.

I must say you've got to be Nazi-ish beyond what I thought possible to be a sick enough person to say something like that.


Wow, no one noticed my comment..Anyway, You cant blame him for his beliefs, no matter how radical..However, saying hateful stuff is different then stating your beliefs like I did.

Bad Example: Pass me the ore, N****R Jim!
Good Example: I believe that Whites are superior to all others

Got it? Good :)

Happy Neo Day!!!

I am a practicing jew. How can you be a muslim--they hate us so much (suicide bombers, Israeli wars)!

Muslims don't hate us. I've never met a Muslim who hated us. It's not the Muslim way to hate. Some, yes, but they're perverting the message.

I'm a Jew. My mother is Jewish and I was born Jewish. I went to Yeshiva, was raised Jewish, learned Torah, learned Hebrew, became a Bar Mitzvah, studied under Breslov Hassidic Rabbis, and am so Jewish it's almost painful.

However, Abraham was not a Jew. Abraham devoted himself so totally to God, even to the point of not questioning when God asked him to sacrifice his son, that his submission can only be called Islam. Abraham was the most beloved of God.

I am Muslim because I feel that same devotion to God.

Suicide bombers are not Muslim. Suicide is a sin. They become apostate the second they push that button.

You do realize that there is a difference between religion/spirituality and dirty politics. They're connectd, but so?

Keruvalia's odd religious hybridity is a different topic.

I see what you mean, but it seems a vast majority of muslims (religious) hate jews.

Keruvalia's odd religious hybridity is a different topic.

That made me chuckle out loud. :D

I see what you mean, but it seems a vast majority of muslims (religious) hate jews.Its certainly true that hatred of Jews is mainstream in mist arab countries, but even though this hatred is often espoused through mosques and such, at the core, it probably has more to do with politics than religion. Some time ago, it was mainstream for Christians to hate Jews too.

@ Azurbajan: do you need a pat on the back for not flameing? stop congradulating yourself, we heard.

Its certainly true that hatred of Jews is mainstream in mist arab countries

Good thing less than 15% of the world's Muslims are Arab. :)

That made me chuckle out loud. :DAllways happy to please!

What are you making for Shavu'ot Keruvalia?

Allways happy to please!

What are you making for Shavu'ot Keruvalia?

I'll be making some of my grandmother's (the Jewish grandmother) blintzes, a nice cheesecake, and a wonderful goat cheese kugel. :)

Bad Example: Pass me the ore, N****R Jim!


Would you prefer iron ore? Or perhaps aluminum?

and about the whole Muslim/Jew hatred thing, in my experiance, there really isn't any. From what I've been told by local Muslims, Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all "people of the book" and are therefore "good" people. Really a shame that all the politics and possessiveness have to mess things up for everyone...but I'm not surprised that they do.

Damn you, human nature.

I'll be making some of my grandmother's (the Jewish grandmother) blintzes, a nice cheesecake, and a wonderful goat cheese kugel. :)



*droolllll*


BLINTZES!! (for anyone who has seen it, this is a reference to the play "You Can't Take It With You". Never been huge on just cheese kugel...however, my grandmother makes the worlds best apple cinnamon rasin kugel.

*droolllll*


BLINTZES!! (for anyone who has seen it, this is a reference to the play "You Can't Take It With You". Never been huge on just cheese kugel...however, my grandmother makes the worlds best apple cinnamon rasin kugel.


Oooooooooh! Exchange recipes? Nummy ... want to try yours.

I'm a filthy Jew. That's what they say in the Army anyway. I think I gave us a bad name....the term jew in my unit is now a verb that means "to con something beloved away from its owner" or "to lie while telling the truth" or "to cheat one beyond all human comprehension"

As far as the neo's and the idiots go...man. Wonder how it feels to be outdated? Irrelevant? You can hate me cause I'm Jewish, but I'll still let you mow my lawn.

Nothing. No problem with them. They have cool hats.

I'm a filthy Jew.

Well take a bath, silly! :p

Oooooooooh! Exchange recipes? Nummy ... want to try yours.

Also totally OT. Have you seen the latest JibJab video 'Matzah'? Funny stuff.

Also totally OT. Have you seen the latest JibJab video 'Matzah'? Funny stuff.

hahaha ... yeah ... funny stuff. :)

The ones ive meet are fine people, and are my friends..the ones in Israel I dont like..not all of them just the conservative ones.

My jewish friend has been to Israel and he says they arent as nice as other jews..Ive never been thier so I cant really comment on that.

I'm a conservative Satanic Jew. How dare you insult me, you racist.

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

now i think this is all f**king bull shit how jews are treated you know there is such thing as a non-religous jew which has no rules im an atheist jew i love the religon but i don't belive in god the big and mighty so if you want to tell crap about my fellow jews you have to mess with me first...

"...frrrtttt...... beefcake beeeefcaaakkke bbbbbbeeeeeeffffffcccaaaaakkkkeee......." -cartman-

by the way i have 32 letters in my name :headbang: :sniper:

I just spent the last 20 minutes reading this entire thread, and all of the posts in it. My reaction to all of this is shock, anger, frustration, sadness, happiness, joy, and hope.

I am a Jew. I am a Conservative Jew, but I do not follow all the laws, or the rules, or do as many Mitzvot as I should. I go to temple every Shabbat, and I have been the Religious Education VP of my USY chapter for the past 3 years, and was just re-elected.

Now that my background is out of the way, I am firstly shocked. Shocked that someone would pose such an open ended question. Concador, you have guts, but to ask what one thinks of a Jew or our people the Jews, to me it sounds a bit anti-Semetic in itself. No offense meant by this. It just comes off that way.

I am angry. I am angry that people will not use judgement and sense in their language, or in how they present themselves to the world. I am angry at those that make comments to insult, AND those who make comments to retaliate. Both are wrong, yet I have seen both in this thread. Jew or Christian, or Muslim, or Nazi, or athiest, or agnostic, or ANY religious affinity or lack thereof has no right to attack a fellow HUMAN BEING unless THAT SINGLE PERSON has comitted a wrong against them or other humans.

I am frustrated, because people do not KNOW. In this thread, I read many different posts by people who have never met a Jew, seen a Jew, heard of a Jew. Everyone knows of Judaism, but not the Jews ourselves. And for the same reason, there are many people who have not met a Muslim. There are people who think science is the work of the devil. There are people who don't even KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE. Education is needed desperately. People need to learn the truth of each and every religion and faith, not to condemn it as has been the practice of every religion including Judaism, but to embrace it as a practice of a fellow human being.

I feel sadness for those that do not allow themselves to accept. I am sorry for any person, religious or not, who cannot be open to change, and new ideas. This is what causes misunderstanding. This is what breeds hate. And this is why we fight today. I am sad because at a time when outward communication and goodwill is needed, we have only people who look inward.

But, I am still happy. I am happy because I see my people, the Jews, coexisting, surviving, fulfilling God's promise to Abraham that his children would be as many as stars in the sky, and sand on the beach. I am happy because I know we are here to stay, no matter what hate may come forth. I know it, because it took me 20 minutes to read this thread. If it takes me that long to read about my people, when information can be given and recieved in nano-seconds, I know we have a future.

I am joyed, for partly the same reason that it took me 20 minutes to read this thread. I am joyed because I see people who deeply care, and people who want to learn, and people who want to express their opinion, and people who have something to say. Without our ability of speech, we are lost to ignorance.

Lastly, I have hope. Hope for myself, hope for my family, hope for my people, hope for HUMANITY. If you have ever said a prayer in your life for any person, including yourself. You have prayed for humanity. And in that there is no distinction of race, religion, color, origin, language, accent, or ideas. I would embrace my mother just as soon and with the same love as I would embrace a member of Hamas who are bent on removing Jews from Israel. I have hope... hope that we can all embrace.

If I have offended ANY HUMAN BEING in this post. I offer my humblest apologies. I ask you forgive myself, but not my words. For they are my opinion, no one elses, and I excersize my right as a human being, to say them. I pray for the world, and we who live in it.

TSH, I appreciate your words. I was also a little frustrated at some of the casually ignorant and hatefull words in this thread, and Dakini's thread as well. I'v been here long enough not to let it get to me, but I'm glad that you responded in this....don't become cynicall too soon (NS tends to do that though).
Like TSH, I want to stress that it is possible to post thought with sensitivity in your language, qualifyers in you statements, and a general willingness to accept and broaden.

I was also the Rel Ed VP of my USY chapter for several years. Overall, a good experience, one that taught me alot.

Incredible cheescake recipe to follow....trust me, this is a hit.

I dont plan on becoming cynicall. I am and always will be an optimist, and my satisfaction in life so far will show that.

still, I would rather that if people were going to throw hate and insults and anger back and forth, that they would at least have some reason and understanding other than that their opponent is different than them, or they are jealous, or they are afraid.

I will not lie, I am afraid of the stereotypical black person. I know many African Americans, and am friendly with them, but I am still afraid of the young, male, black, stereotype that is continually exaggerated. Regardless of this misplaced fear that I have, I still have no right to attack them verbally, emotionally, physically, psycologically or any way. At least not untill I or another human is attacked in a way deemed wrong by all other humans.

Jews - religion:
I don't give a shit. Every religion is an equal amount of contradicitions put together and worshipped by people who lack either ability or will to inform themselves about the world, namely science.

Jews - people:
I never believed there was a Jewish race. If I go and do the ritual, does may genetics change? But many people identify themselves as Jewish people, so I guess they do exist.

Jews - politics:
Big load of chauvinist bullshit. The bible never happened in the way it is being portrayed. There are many things that have never been reported. There is no jewish state, because the Jews were expelled from there by many different nations over the millennia. Still, they believe because they are the chosen people and therefore have a right to this land. They don't have a right anymore than the palestinians do. Why don't the Italians, or the French go there and declare it theirs because at some stage in history they owned it?

Jews - big conspiracy:
Hehe, well I saw on TV the other day that many fundamentalist Christians in the US apparently believe there is some sort of prophecy concerning the time when the Jews are expelled from the Holy Land. They said that it would "lead to the apocalypse".
That and lots of money being spent by lobbyists in the US may direct US-Policy quite significantly, but I don't think the average Jew is aware that he's member of an exclusive conspiracy.... :p
Interesting.. "all religions are bad, except my divine belief in science."
And there is a Jewish state, it's on the Mediterranean, called Israel.
If you go and do the ritual, then you are not Jewish. Only those with a Jewish mother are Jewish.

I am a practicing jew. How can you be a muslim--they hate us so much (suicide bombers, Israeli wars)!
Some muslims not all

Aaaanywaaays.... I'm not too fond of the Jewish religion, but I certainly do not wish them any harm, and I think the Neo-Nazi idiots deserve to be hurt.

I just spent the last 20 minutes reading this entire thread, and all of the posts in it. My reaction to all of this is shock, anger, frustration, sadness, happiness, joy, and hope.

I am a Jew. I am a Conservative Jew, but I do not follow all the laws, or the rules, or do as many Mitzvot as I should. I go to temple every Shabbat, and I have been the Religious Education VP of my USY chapter for the past 3 years, and was just re-elected.

Now that my background is out of the way, I am firstly shocked. Shocked that someone would pose such an open ended question. Concador, you have guts, but to ask what one thinks of a Jew or our people the Jews, to me it sounds a bit anti-Semetic in itself. No offense meant by this. It just comes off that way.

I am angry. I am angry that people will not use judgement and sense in their language, or in how they present themselves to the world. I am angry at those that make comments to insult, AND those who make comments to retaliate. Both are wrong, yet I have seen both in this thread. Jew or Christian, or Muslim, or Nazi, or athiest, or agnostic, or ANY religious affinity or lack thereof has no right to attack a fellow HUMAN BEING unless THAT SINGLE PERSON has comitted a wrong against them or other humans.

I am frustrated, because people do not KNOW. In this thread, I read many different posts by people who have never met a Jew, seen a Jew, heard of a Jew. Everyone knows of Judaism, but not the Jews ourselves. And for the same reason, there are many people who have not met a Muslim. There are people who think science is the work of the devil. There are people who don't even KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE. Education is needed desperately. People need to learn the truth of each and every religion and faith, not to condemn it as has been the practice of every religion including Judaism, but to embrace it as a practice of a fellow human being.

I feel sadness for those that do not allow themselves to accept. I am sorry for any person, religious or not, who cannot be open to change, and new ideas. This is what causes misunderstanding. This is what breeds hate. And this is why we fight today. I am sad because at a time when outward communication and goodwill is needed, we have only people who look inward.

But, I am still happy. I am happy because I see my people, the Jews, coexisting, surviving, fulfilling God's promise to Abraham that his children would be as many as stars in the sky, and sand on the beach. I am happy because I know we are here to stay, no matter what hate may come forth. I know it, because it took me 20 minutes to read this thread. If it takes me that long to read about my people, when information can be given and recieved in nano-seconds, I know we have a future.

I am joyed, for partly the same reason that it took me 20 minutes to read this thread. I am joyed because I see people who deeply care, and people who want to learn, and people who want to express their opinion, and people who have something to say. Without our ability of speech, we are lost to ignorance.

Lastly, I have hope. Hope for myself, hope for my family, hope for my people, hope for HUMANITY. If you have ever said a prayer in your life for any person, including yourself. You have prayed for humanity. And in that there is no distinction of race, religion, color, origin, language, accent, or ideas. I would embrace my mother just as soon and with the same love as I would embrace a member of Hamas who are bent on removing Jews from Israel. I have hope... hope that we can all embrace.

If I have offended ANY HUMAN BEING in this post. I offer my humblest apologies. I ask you forgive myself, but not my words. For they are my opinion, no one elses, and I excersize my right as a human being, to say them. I pray for the world, and we who live in it.

Nice post, but I still want revenge on Hamas and destroy Pakistan.

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

Make this for shavu'ot, (or in general) and watch your popularity rise:

3 -LAYER BLUEBERRY CHEESECAKE
crust
- 150 grams graham crackers, crushed
- 100 grams flour (no I don't know that in cups; get yourself a scale)
- 50 grams butter
- 1 egg

filling
- about 2 pounds/ 1 kg cottage cheese, plressed through a sieve, ricotta cheese, cream cheese, that awesome kosher stuff, or some combination of each.
- 4 eggs
- 350 grams (1 cup) white sugar
- a couple teaspoons grated lemon zest
- 2 tablespoons (30 mL) flour

layer 2
- 500 mL sour cream
- 3 tablespoons (45 mL) sugar
- some vanilla extract

layer 3
- 2 1/2 cups frozen blueberries (or as much as you want). Hell, you can even use that horrible prepared pie filling stuff from the cans, if you want.
- some sugar, if necessary
- some gelatin, and/ or constarch, whatever you feel like.

Right, so mix all the crust stuff, and spread around the bottom of a 26 cm ( 9") springform. Don't press too hard.

mix all the filling stuff in a mixer, foos processor, or just with a whisk. pour it over the crust, and bake in a 350 F (180 C,) oven for 45 minutes. Meanwhile--->

Mix your sour cream, vanilla, and sugar so its nice and glossy. When the cake is done, spread it on top, and bake for another 40 minutes. Let the cake cool inside the oven with the door a little ajar.

Mix your blueberries in a sucepan over lowish heat with your constarch, or dissolved gelatin. Top your cooled cake with it, and put it in the fridge to set up.

I've heard that baking you cheesecake in a water bath prevents cracking, but I've never found this to be true.

Make this for shavu'ot, (or in general) and watch your popularity rise:

3 -LAYER BLUEBERRY CHEESECAKE
crust
- 150 grams graham crackers, crushed
- 100 grams flour (no I don't know that in cups; get yourself a scale)
- 50 grams butter
- 1 egg

filling
- about 2 pounds/ 1 kg cottage cheese, plressed through a sieve, ricotta cheese, cream cheese, that awesome kosher stuff, or some combination of each.
- 4 eggs
- 350 grams (1 cup) white sugar
- a couple teaspoons grated lemon zest
- 2 tablespoons (30 mL) flour

layer 2
- 500 mL sour cream
- 3 tablespoons (45 mL) sugar
- some vanilla extract

layer 3
- 2 1/2 cups frozen blueberries (or as much as you want). Hell, you can even use that horrible prepared pie filling stuff from the cans, if you want.
- some sugar, if necessary
- some gelatin, and/ or constarch, whatever you feel like.

Right, so mix all the crust stuff, and spread around the bottom of a 26 cm ( 9") springform. Don't press too hard.

mix all the filling stuff in a mixer, foos processor, or just with a whisk. pour it over the crust, and bake in a 350 F (180 C,) oven for 45 minutes. Meanwhile--->

Mix your sour cream, vanilla, and sugar so its nice and glossy. When the cake is done, spread it on top, and bake for another 40 minutes. Let the cake cool inside the oven with the door a little ajar.

Mix your blueberries in a sucepan over lowish heat with your constarch, or dissolved gelatin. Top your cooled cake with it, and put it in the fridge to set up.

I've heard that baking you cheesecake in a water bath prevents cracking, but I've never found this to be true.
Thanks, i'll tell my mom about this.

Doom777']Thanks, i'll tell my mom about this.Haha!! Get off your ass and make it yourself Doom!

Haha!! Get off your ass and make it yourself Doom!
I am 17, and male. Let her do it.

I'll be making some of my grandmother's (the Jewish grandmother) blintzes, a nice cheesecake, and a wonderful goat cheese kugel. :)
Oh, wow, that sounds good... You share, right?

Doom777']I am 17, and male. Let her do it.I'm adopting that as my new personal slogan, if you don't mind.

Doom777']Interesting.. "all religions are bad, except my divine belief in science."
And there is a Jewish state, it's on the Mediterranean, called Israel.
If you go and do the ritual, then you are not Jewish. Only those with a Jewish mother are Jewish.
As a descendent of Jews by choice rather than by birth, I object. If my grandmother was not Jewish because a ritual can't change your religion, I have been raised all my life in the wrong faith. Judaism is so much more than genetics.

As a Jew, I can say this: We are deeply offended by people who put two 'a's in 'about'. :D

Incidently, do you mean you're a practitioner of Judaism when you say you're religious? As in ... are you a Jew who's getting a feel for the forum?

I, myself, am a Muslim Jew. Jewish by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah. Booyah!

However, always nice to see a brother or sister Jew show up on the forums. :)


So if one is born from a Jewish mother they are automatically Jewish?
Regardless of what thier faith or lack there of .. is?

If Jew is not a race, then that would mean anyone born from a Christian mother etc. etc would automatically be a Christian? If they dumped that belief system and went on to another they would be a Christian-<enter belief here>?

Had to ask, because I've read and seen debates so many times from people that say Jews are not a race, but a belief just like other religions.

I just spent the last 20 minutes reading this entire thread, and all of the posts in it. My reaction to all of this is shock, anger, frustration, sadness, happiness, joy, and hope.

I am a Jew. I am a Conservative Jew, but I do not follow all the laws, or the rules, or do as many Mitzvot as I should. I go to temple every Shabbat, and I have been the Religious Education VP of my USY chapter for the past 3 years, and was just re-elected.

Now that my background is out of the way, I am firstly shocked. Shocked that someone would pose such an open ended question. Concador, you have guts, but to ask what one thinks of a Jew or our people the Jews, to me it sounds a bit anti-Semetic in itself. No offense meant by this. It just comes off that way.

I am angry. I am angry that people will not use judgement and sense in their language, or in how they present themselves to the world. I am angry at those that make comments to insult, AND those who make comments to retaliate. Both are wrong, yet I have seen both in this thread. Jew or Christian, or Muslim, or Nazi, or athiest, or agnostic, or ANY religious affinity or lack thereof has no right to attack a fellow HUMAN BEING unless THAT SINGLE PERSON has comitted a wrong against them or other humans.

I am frustrated, because people do not KNOW. In this thread, I read many different posts by people who have never met a Jew, seen a Jew, heard of a Jew. Everyone knows of Judaism, but not the Jews ourselves. And for the same reason, there are many people who have not met a Muslim. There are people who think science is the work of the devil. There are people who don't even KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE. Education is needed desperately. People need to learn the truth of each and every religion and faith, not to condemn it as has been the practice of every religion including Judaism, but to embrace it as a practice of a fellow human being.

I feel sadness for those that do not allow themselves to accept. I am sorry for any person, religious or not, who cannot be open to change, and new ideas. This is what causes misunderstanding. This is what breeds hate. And this is why we fight today. I am sad because at a time when outward communication and goodwill is needed, we have only people who look inward.

But, I am still happy. I am happy because I see my people, the Jews, coexisting, surviving, fulfilling God's promise to Abraham that his children would be as many as stars in the sky, and sand on the beach. I am happy because I know we are here to stay, no matter what hate may come forth. I know it, because it took me 20 minutes to read this thread. If it takes me that long to read about my people, when information can be given and recieved in nano-seconds, I know we have a future.

I am joyed, for partly the same reason that it took me 20 minutes to read this thread. I am joyed because I see people who deeply care, and people who want to learn, and people who want to express their opinion, and people who have something to say. Without our ability of speech, we are lost to ignorance.

Lastly, I have hope. Hope for myself, hope for my family, hope for my people, hope for HUMANITY. If you have ever said a prayer in your life for any person, including yourself. You have prayed for humanity. And in that there is no distinction of race, religion, color, origin, language, accent, or ideas. I would embrace my mother just as soon and with the same love as I would embrace a member of Hamas who are bent on removing Jews from Israel. I have hope... hope that we can all embrace.

If I have offended ANY HUMAN BEING in this post. I offer my humblest apologies. I ask you forgive myself, but not my words. For they are my opinion, no one elses, and I excersize my right as a human being, to say them. I pray for the world, and we who live in it.

<<blinks>>

<<rubs eyes to make sure that this awesome post is actually real>>

<<cry of joy>>

Someone give this man a medal.

So if one is born from a Jewish mother they are automatically Jewish?
Regardless of what thier faith or lack there of .. is?

If Jew is not a race, then that would mean anyone born from a Christian mother etc. etc would automatically be a Christian? If they dumped that belief system and went on to another they would be a Christian-<enter belief here>?

Had to ask, because I've read and seen debates so many times from people that say Jews are not a race, but a belief just like other religions.


"Jew" isn't a race, it's a cultural identity. There are Jews of many colors, from Sammy Davis Jr. to Mila Kunis to Woody Allen. Yes, if you're born of a Jewish mother, you are Jewish. Period.

You can "convert", but I don't like using that term because it's not really conversion. You spend years (yes, years) studying Jewish life, immersing yourself into the Jewish community and culture, and learning to be Jewish, not to just practise Judaism.

It's done this way mostly because of the 12 tribes, 10 were lost. So we don't know who they are. People come to the synagogue and devote themselves to becoming Jewish because something deep within their soul calls them. It's not something that can be taken lightly. You don't just step up and say, "I think I'll be Jewish today!"

I'm not sure about Christianity. It is a religion and, well, one that you can convert to on a whim, so I'm not too sure I'd give it the same cultural status as being Jewish.

Oooooooooh! Exchange recipes? Nummy ... want to try yours.


I'll have to dig it up...but I shall post it soon (oy, my house is a mess)

So it seems that alot of people are asking about what makes you Jewish and so on, so I think I'll just sum things up, plain and simple.

FACT
If your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish.
If you convert to Judaism, you are Jewish.
If your mother converts to Judaism and THEN gives birth to you, you are Jewish.

OPINION
Personally, I feel that if you think you are Jewish, and you want to be Jewish, and you practice the religion, then you are Jewish. Rabbis wont agree with this, but I would rather call someone a Jew who is NOT a Jew, but loves the religion and tries, more than I would call someone a Jew who IS a Jew, but doesn't care about Judaism. This is just my opinion.

Something I did not touch upon in my earlier, well, rant... was the problems of generalizations. How many times have you heard, or even said this:
1. "Don't Jew me."
2. "Jews have big noses."
3. "Jews have horns."
4. "You are rich, therefore you must be Jewish."
5. "Muslims are terrorists."
6. "Arabs want to kill us and take down democracy."
7. "The Islamic people only hate and want to kill all Jews and Americans."
8. "All black people have guns on them."
9. "If you are alone with a bunch of black guys, you will probably die."
10. "Damn N*****s, always causing trouble."
11. "Since you are white, you must be racist."

ARE ANY OF THESE STATEMENTS ACTUALLY TRUE!? NO!
1. You cannot Jew someone.
2. Anyone can have a large nose, not just a Jew, and in fact, it comes from the region they lived in (probably in old Europe).
3. No human has horns.
4. Rich people are rich, anyone can do it if given the chance and having the ability.
5, and 6. The Islamic race is a peaceful race. The Koran specifically denounces all types of war except Jihad, a holy war. And mind you, suicide is NOT condoned at ALL.
7. Only militant extremist Arabs want to kill people, and mostly because they were brought up that way. It is not their fault. It was their teachers, and parents, and guardians faults for raising them to hate, and not to love.
8 and 9. Millions of people own guns, and use them illigaly, not only blacks. And those that ARE black are a minority within the African American race, who, again, were not brought up in a caring and loving environment.
10. Most trouble is caused by people who USE the generalization, not the people OF the generalization.
11. This one happens to be more true than any other generalization. Many whites ARE racist against many different groups. The proof is that we use statements like what I described above.

So please, no matter what your opinion or view is, PLEASE refrain from using generalizations whenever you talk online, post on these forums, or have conversations with anyone you see. It can hurt someone, and create tension and animosity that causes war, death, suffering, and pain.

Suicide bombers are not Muslim. Suicide is a sin. They become apostate the second they push that button.

How about if they try to light their sneaker bomb?

I'm not sure about Christianity. It is a religion and, well, one that you can convert to on a whim, so I'm not too sure I'd give it the same cultural status as being Jewish.


You are kidding, right?

In fact, Jews don't think that it is neccesary to convert to serve G-d. There are 7 laws non-jews are supposed to keep, and if they do, they just as good as a Jew.

What an interesting thread. =)

Jew's are nifty.....i mean just look at us....we're Jewish.

Plus we got all the cool yiddish holloyword words, like Putz....Chutzpa, and Chmuck.

Plus there's nothing bad about Muslims....i know a Muslim....well he's not really Muslim, he doesn't pray, he drinks, eats pork, and has sex with his girlfriend.

So he's pretyt much breaking every rule. ;)

According to him, he wants to convert to Hollywood style Judaism, so he can become a director.......yay.

Hmmm, i actually forgot what else i was gonna say....

Oh well, point is, racism is bad......unless you hate everyone. =D

In fact, Jews don't think that it is neccesary to convert to serve G-d. There are 7 laws non-jews are supposed to keep, and if they do, they just as good as a Jew.

This is also very true, still I like to go with what I said before that, if you are willing to follow customs and laws and act Jewish, I consider you more of a Jew than those that are non-religious Jews (and I mean those that really don't follow any customs, except the Bar mitzvah (party), Hannukah (presents), and the High Holy Days.

This is also very true, still I like to go with what I said before that, if you are willing to follow customs and laws and act Jewish, I consider you more of a Jew than those that are non-religious Jews (and I mean those that really don't follow any customs, except the Bar mitzvah (party), Hannukah (presents), and the High Holy Days.

Judaism comes in 2 forms....Religion and Culture.

The person who acts Jewish sincerely, is only Half-Jewish by religion, as he still would need to be confirmed by a Rabbi.

The culture Jew, is somone that may not care about his religion, but nonetheless, are Jewish regardless.

Is a Wigger any less white, because he acts black?

Are 6 years any less annoying, just because they act nice once a year....

The point is, you should look at them both as Jew's.....although the one who is Jewish but doesnt act it, is the one is more Jewish regardless.

You are kidding, right?

Hard to tell with me, ain't it?

I'll give it a yes and no answer. I mean ... apparently, anyone who reads the words on the back of a Chick Tract becomes Christian. Converting to Judaism is a process that takes years and you spend most of that time being told you're insane for wanting to convert - depending, of course, on how you convert. Orthodox and Reform conversions have some differences.

However, there are some constants among Jews, be they black, white, asian, or whatever. Enough constants, in fact, to where you can call being Jewish a cultural identity. I see no such constants, except for the obvious religious constant, among Christians. But, then again, I'm not really looking all that hard.

As well as, whence you convert, and even if you move to another religion, you are still considered Jewish nonetheless.

Ooooh, Keruv, tell them your story on how you converted.

BTW: On another note...are you surprised that your wife didn't commit you, when you told her the story?

I think my parents would....it's kind hard to believe nowadays, stories like yours.

We'd need a Burning Bush type thing, before Atheists, would admit they're wrong. ;p

(Not turning this into a who's right thread, just making a general comment)

>_<

BTW: Keruv, did you buy your kids some Bow's and Arrow on Lag B'Omer?

So much memories....

Judaism comes in 2 forms....Religion and Culture.

The person who acts Jewish sincerely, is only Half-Jewish by religion, as he still would need to be confirmed by a Rabbi.

The culture Jew, is somone that may not care about his religion, but nonetheless, are Jewish regardless.

I would like to hear your definition of the "culture" half of Judaism. I thought about it, and so far, all I could come up with could, in fact, be tied into religious practice, whether it be Torah Law, or Rabbinic/Oral Law.

I ask that you give me some examples so I can better understand what Jewish culture is when the culture has absolutely no tie to the religious aspects according to you. Thank you in advance.

I would like to hear your definition of the "culture" half of Judaism. I thought about it, and so far, all I could come up with could, in fact, be tied into religious practice, whether it be Torah Law, or Rabbinic/Oral Law.

I ask that you give me some examples so I can better understand what Jewish culture is when the culture has absolutely no tie to the religious aspects according to you. Thank you in advance.


Absolutely nothing......can you tell us what makes Polish...well Polish?

Aren't they just Slav's?

Aren't Americans, just Rebellious Brits?

Aren't I just cute? ;p


We are a culture...i guess because of our religion.

Our religion covers what to do for laws, so we can easily have a Theocracy.

Technically back then...in the olden ages, every culture had their own religion.

Only Judaism and Hinduism, really survived

hmmm, it's really hard to explain, all i can say is that...maybe i'll get inspired to think of something else.

The point is, we are a culture and a religion.

So it seems that alot of people are asking about what makes you Jewish and so on, so I think I'll just sum things up, plain and simple.

FACT
If your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish.
If you convert to Judaism, you are Jewish.
If your mother converts to Judaism and THEN gives birth to you, you are Jewish.

OPINION
Personally, I feel that if you think you are Jewish, and you want to be Jewish, and you practice the religion, then you are Jewish. Rabbis wont agree with this, but I would rather call someone a Jew who is NOT a Jew, but loves the religion and tries, more than I would call someone a Jew who IS a Jew, but doesn't care about Judaism. This is just my opinion.


I guess that refers to me, my mother is Christian, but my father is Jewish. I've been raised Jewish, consider myself a Jew, and I'm being confirmed as a Jew on Shavuot. Even after being confirmed, would conservative/orthodox rabbis still consider me to not be Jewish? I've never really been given a definate answer on this one...

call me a radical...call me what you want but i am a total convert to communism, the pure form.....I am in personal opinion against any organized religion, Islam has had its fair share of "kill the heathen", christianity has had its fair share of crusades and intolerance, Jewdaism has done some things in the West bank and gaza that it shouldn't have... i know i'm making broad statments, but as a whole i believe that organized religion despite some of their key beliefs, have caused more harm than good...

Ezralia']I guess that refers to me, my mother is Christian, but my father is Jewish. I've been raised Jewish, consider myself a Jew, and I'm being confirmed as a Jew on Shavuot. Even after being confirmed, would conservative/orthodox rabbis still consider me to not be Jewish? I've never really been given a definate answer on this one...

After your confirmed, your put into our secret datbase, that registers you to our free conspiracy magazine...."How to rip off the goyim" =p

Umm yeah, after your confirmed, it's like you converted, you will be officially Jewish.

BTW, are you telling me your mother never converted?

I like most Jews. However, the Israeli Jews do not deserve to lick my boots for the sole reason that they, as a people, have become what they hate. Genocidal pricks, they back the Palestians in a corner and just keep killing. And apparently, no one cares to stop them.

Absolutely nothing......can you tell us what makes Polish...well Polish?

Aren't they just Slav's?

Aren't Americans, just Rebellious Brits?

Aren't I just cute? ;p


We are a culture...i guess because of our religion.

Our religion covers what to do for laws, so we can easily have a Theocracy.

Technically back then...in the olden ages, every culture had their own religion.

Only Judaism and Hinduism, really survived

hmmm, it's really hard to explain, all i can say is that...maybe i'll get inspired to think of something else.

The point is, we are a culture and a religion.

I just want you to know that you proved my point, thank you. Religion and Culture cannot be seperated in Judaism, so I don't think you can therefore state that there are two halfs to Judaism like in your previous post.

Ezralia, I consider you Jewish, but some Rabbis may not. There are those that feel as I do, that someone who tries deserves the title, but others will not go for it. If you look into some Othodox sects and Rabbis, you find that some have a very narrow view: if you were not born a Jew you are not a Jew. But again, it varies from one teaching to the next. Go be a member of a synogauge where they accept you and be a happy Jew!

I like most Jews. However, the Israeli Jews do not deserve to lick my boots for the sole reason that they, as a people, have become what they hate. Genocidal pricks, they back the Palestians in a corner and just keep killing. And apparently, no one cares to stop them.

They are not Genocidal.......

They only kill Terrorists...

Everyone in the Israel, gets the right to vote, work, and publish whatever they want in the media.

Anything under the Palestinian government, the people have no work, no free speech, little food and water, no freedom of religion....basically complete opposite of Israel.

Israel is a frigging democracy, that is doing what it needs to to survive.

And in it's nearly 60 years of existence, save for a few times, it has never done anything remotely evil in any way.

Start blaming the Palestinans that kill their children, and not the Israeli's who kill them, to defend themselves. :mad:

I just want you to know that you proved my point, thank you. Religion and Culture cannot be seperated in Judaism, so I don't think you can therefore state that there are two halfs to Judaism like in your previous post.

Ezralia, I consider you Jewish, but some Rabbis may not. There are those that feel as I do, that someone who tries deserves the title, but others will not go for it. If you look into some Othodox sects and Rabbis, you find that some have a very narrow view: if you were not born a Jew you are not a Jew. But again, it varies from one teaching to the next. Go be a member of a synogauge where they accept you and be a happy Jew!

It's complicated......Religion and Culture, are seperate and whole.

Judaism is like Transformers, It is 2 things of a greater whole, of which can be seperated and evaluated...yet both critiqued at the same time.

I like most Jews. However, the Israeli Jews do not deserve to lick my boots for the sole reason that they, as a people, have become what they hate. Genocidal pricks, they back the Palestians in a corner and just keep killing. And apparently, no one cares to stop them.

Excuse me, but like I asked in an earlier reply, please do not generalize. I have friends in Israel right now, and I hear from them personally, that many of the Israelites, in fact, a good majority outside the chassidic realm are very interested in peace with Palestinians. The radicals and the government are doing this. DO NOT BLAME THE PEOPLE FOR ACTIONS THAT ARE NOT THEIRS.

I don't like what is going on either, but I also do not like the Palestinian actions either. I don't like how most of the governments of the ENTIRE WORLD are acting right now, but I still love the PEOPLE! The PEOPLE are not to blame!

It's complicated......Religion and Culture, are seperate and whole.

Judaism is like Transformers, It is 2 things of a greater whole, of which can be seperated and evaluated...yet both critiqued at the same time.

HAHA!! Wonderful analogy! And that is the beauty of it, isn't it? If we could easily define Judaism, or religion for that matter, you would have a very sad faith. Part of the wonder of relgion and belief is that you simply DON'T KNOW. Take that away, and then we learn if there really is a God or not, a heaven or hell, and when all of this is known, what can we actually BELIEVE in anymore?

Why does it matter to you what other people think of Jews?

HAHA!! Wonderful analogy! And that is the beauty of it, isn't it? If we could easily define Judaism, or religion for that matter, you would have a very sad faith. Part of the wonder of relgion and belief is that you simply DON'T KNOW. Take that away, and then we learn if there really is a God or not, a heaven or hell, and when all of this is known, what can we actually BELIEVE in anymore?


Well Abraham sure knew....well technically G-d didn't reveal himself...Abraham found him, in a burning palace i believe the story went.

G-d sure likes, burning stuff to reveal himself.

Me thinks G-d is a Pyromaniac. ;)

But yes you are right...All religions will one day become a culture....it requires time, history, and becoming a minorty at one point in history, when this happened..

BTW: Does Judaism have any sects? Or had....dont include Reform, Conservative

Why does it matter to you what other people think of Jews?


We have low self-esteem, so we like it when people rub out big ego's.

G-d....rub it hard!

*looks around*

What? I like being praised.....

Corpulent Gentlemen, that is a good question. I have a question too. Why do you care, as a person, what others think about you? PArt of human nature is to want to be accepted to at least someone in the world, and this does not exclude religions, races or any single person on the planet.

MuhOre, there are a few different sects. Lebbuvitch, Chassids, Yiddishkeit, there are many different sects of Judaism besides Orthodox, Conservative, and Reformed, but surprisingly, all of these sects are mostly if not all within the Orthodox community.

I am a non-religious Jew, and all the guys I know are sort of ignorant about my beliefs.

I think who ever started this is sorta a jerk. What if i starte a thread saying "so how bout those non- jews huh?"

Plus i think u guys r just jealus that Jews are God's chosen ppl.

thats not true! i'm gods chosen people cause i say i am!

MuhOre, there are a few different sects. Lebbuvitch, Chassids, Yiddishkeit, there are many different sects of Judaism besides Orthodox, Conservative, and Reformed, but surprisingly, all of these sects are mostly if not all within the Orthodox community.

eh....not really secty enough.

I want something more like Catholic vs. Protestant...Sunni vs. Islam sorta thing.

I am a non-religious Jew, and all the guys I know are sort of ignorant about my beliefs.

I think who ever started this is sorta a jerk. What if i starte a thread saying "so how bout those non- jews huh?"

Plus i think u guys r just jealus that Jews are God's chosen ppl.

Oh there's been those threads before...i wouldn't be surprised if later a Muslim...or Mormon...or Haliburton thread showed up later.

thats not true! i'm gods chosen people cause i say i am!


Pffft, you don't got it written down on a book, or got talked to by G-d.

Anyways g2g bye.

eh....not really secty enough.

I want something more like Catholic vs. Protestant...Sunni vs. Islam sorta thing.

Oh well, I tried. Thanks for your discussion though, we'll talk again.

thats not true! i'm gods chosen people cause i say i am!

chickens are God's chosen people.

They are not Genocidal.......

They only kill Terrorists...

Everyone in the Israel, gets the right to vote, work, and publish whatever they want in the media.

Anything under the Palestinian government, the people have no work, no free speech, little food and water, no freedom of religion....basically complete opposite of Israel.

Israel is a frigging democracy, that is doing what it needs to to survive.

And in it's nearly 60 years of existence, save for a few times, it has never done anything remotely evil in any way.

Start blaming the Palestinans that kill their children, and not the Israeli's who kill them, to defend themselves. :mad:

Which media source do you use? Fox or New York Sun? If you live in any place besides Israel or the US, any paper you pick up will state that that just isn't true. I reflect mainly on the number of civilian casualties on each side do to the opposingsides military actions,i believe the ratio is 3:1...no thats not 3 Israeli's to 1 palestinians, thats 3 palestinian civilians to one Israeli civilian. The targeting of civilians happens on both sides. Do Not claim that the Palestinian acts, however terrible they maybe are the only immoral ones. The idea that the Palestinians are the agressors in all situations, is simply a hideous lie...
P.S. i'm not sure entirely about the civilian numbers, 3:1 was what i remember but that may be wrong, what i am sure is that more Palestinian civilians have died than Israeli
P.P.S. That part about the water: if Israel weren't reaching into the West Bank taking the majority of the water for use in the settlements, i'm sure the PLO would be happy to give the Palestinian people more water
P.P.P.S. In response to the "not chosen people" part, G-d came down from heaven and talked to me, no, not an angel, G-d came like for that burning bush thingy; Not only did he talk to me, I WROTE IT DOWN IN A BOOK.

Both sides are to blame for the death toles and the lack of sensibility in deciding that regions fate. Regardless, I caution against ANY media at all, American media, Israeli media, Pelestinian media, in todays society, all of it is exaggerated and misconstrued. I would prefer to get witness accounts instead of read it in the papers. Everyone has a bias, especially modern media with its lack of morals and desire for the "meatiest" story.

I am willing to put money down saying that the 3:1 count or whatever it might have been did not account for certain types of deaths, or accounted for too many and therefore is not as accurate as you might think. It could be less or more, but I doubt that it is entirely correct.

As long as the palestinians attack us, Israelk will be forced to retaliate--and sometimes kill civilians. They have the Vietnom problem--how can you tell who is an enemy and who is a civilian?

As long as the palestinians attack us, Israelk will be forced to retaliate--and sometimes kill civilians. They have the Vietnom problem--how can you tell who is an enemy and who is a civilian?

I strongly feel that it is not that simple. Like I said, both sides are to blame. Both need to stop together, or else one will take advantage. Both the Israeli GOVERNMENT and the Palestinian GOVERNMENT are at fault for what goes on in Israel, and I think you can't simply state that if one stops, the other will, regardless of "who started it."

I would like to hear your definition of the "culture" half of Judaism. I thought about it, and so far, all I could come up with could, in fact, be tied into religious practice, whether it be Torah Law, or Rabbinic/Oral Law.

I ask that you give me some examples so I can better understand what Jewish culture is when the culture has absolutely no tie to the religious aspects according to you. Thank you in advance.Since MuhOre's response to this was'n too satisfactory, perhaps I will give it a shot.

Some aspects of Jewish culture (Hebrew culture, specifically) are quite seperate from the Jewish cultural rituals that have close relationships to the laws and requirement of Jewish Law.

Some parts of Jewish culture, things like holiday food, shabat traditions, clothing, melodies in prayer, etc. are very ties to the "reigion" part.

Others, chiefly the modern cultural products of Israel, and the renewed Hebrew language, have little to do with religion. For example, Kibbutzim in Israel, mostly fiercely secular communities, were places many Hebrew damces, songs, attitudes, and modes of speech originated. Modern plays, radio, television, music, books, etc. are all part of a Hebrew culture that is in the main, secular (though it still draws much material from historic and religious topics). Those cultural product are (at least for Israelis) a big, if not the main part of their Jewish identity, though they are non-religious.

Great Jewish People:
Albert Einstien
George Gershwin
Madeline Albright
Itzack Rabin (assainted jewish P.M)
Karl Marx---Yes even him his ideas have just been miligned by bad people like Stalin and Mao

Bad Jewish People
Roy Cohen(one of the worst since he was both anti-semetic and jewish, gay and homophobic)
David Berkowitz (infamous NYC serial killer)
Micheal Savage (He's trying to take Roy Cohen's place)
David Horowitz(Same as Micheal Savage and total hyppocrite)


My point there has been both good and bad Jewish people. 99.5% of jewish people would be in the middle. I personally like jewish people and nothing against them.

BTW: Love the Blueberry Cheesecake recipe does anyone have any more?

Others, chiefly the modern cultural products of Israel, and the renewed Hebrew language, have little to do with religion. For example, Kibbutzim in Israel, mostly fiercely secular communities, were places many Hebrew damces, songs, attitudes, and modes of speech originated. Modern plays, radio, television, music, books, etc. are all part of a Hebrew culture that is in the main, secular (though it still draws much material from historic and religious topics). Those cultural product are (at least for Israelis) a big, if not the main part of their Jewish identity, though they are non-religious.

Thank you very much, I'm surprised I didn't think of these aspects myself. I appreciate your help. :)

of course i agree that Jews as a people are not bad, very few peoples as a whole are bad, as a matter of fact i can't think of a single one.. my point is that the current Israeli policy is morally wrong, the idea of settlements, and an iron fist occupation are not helping peace negotiations. As to the media bias part, I agree that all media is biased, Israeli, American, British and Palestinian. The main problem is that countries which have a personal stake in events will put the most spin on the words of the media. Britain of these sources, tends to be the most accurate. The New York Sun, Fox and any Palestinian terrorist extremist newstation, should always be considered out of the question for news regarding these issues. Unfortunately for us all, propaganda is a powerful tool for any extreme organization. This system only aggrivates conflict.
P.S. Excuse my horrible grammar i haven't been proofreading....
Anyone who wants relatively unbiased information should look for media of a country that is not involved....I use BBC news

Which media source do you use? Fox or New York Sun? If you live in any place besides Israel or the US, any paper you pick up will state that that just isn't true. I reflect mainly on the number of civilian casualties on each side do to the opposingsides military actions,i believe the ratio is 3:1...no thats not 3 Israeli's to 1 palestinians, thats 3 palestinian civilians to one Israeli civilian. The targeting of civilians happens on both sides. Do Not claim that the Palestinian acts, however terrible they maybe are the only immoral ones. The idea that the Palestinians are the agressors in all situations, is simply a hideous lie...
P.S. i'm not sure entirely about the civilian numbers, 3:1 was what i remember but that may be wrong, what i am sure is that more Palestinian civilians have died than Israeli
P.P.S. That part about the water: if Israel weren't reaching into the West Bank taking the majority of the water for use in the settlements, i'm sure the PLO would be happy to give the Palestinian people more water
P.P.P.S. In response to the "not chosen people" part, G-d came down from heaven and talked to me, no, not an angel, G-d came like for that burning bush thingy; Not only did he talk to me, I WROTE IT DOWN IN A BOOK.

New York..? I live in Canada...so neither. I get my sources from Family and Internet.

I trust them much more....then i trust any news source. I've seen fox news a few times....doesnt seem any different then CNN, CBC, NBC, or any other news....they all sound the same to me.

As for 3:1, i dunno where you got those numbers from....does it include deaths by military and the PLO.....as well as mass starvation? or what?

The numbers are slowly equalling up, mainly because they have this tendency to use them as human shields. Get rid of human shields, and you'll see it's more like 5:1 with the 5 being Israeli's.

As for the water thing, it has nothing to do with Israel, Israel gives water to the PLO, to allocate for their citizens, but they're corrupt bastards, so many people go without fresh water. Cannot blame Israel for that....That's like blaming the teacher for giving a kid some cookies, and then the teacher gets blamed, when the kid ate all the cookies.

As for PPPS, comment, do not poke fun at religion, i can tell your just making asinine comments, i can tell the difference between people who sincerely say they had a spiritual discovery, and those that make it up to mock others.

of course i agree that Jews as a people are not bad, very few peoples as a whole are bad, as a matter of fact i can't think of a single one.. my point is that the current Israeli policy is morally wrong, the idea of settlements, and an iron fist occupation are not helping peace negotiations. As to the media bias part, I agree that all media is biased, Israeli, American, British and Palestinian. The main problem is that countries which have a personal stake in events will put the most spin on the words of the media. Britain of these sources, tends to be the most accurate. The New York Sun, Fox and any Palestinian terrorist extremist newstation, should always be considered out of the question for news regarding these issues. Unfortunately for us all, propaganda is a powerful tool for any extreme organization. This system only aggrivates conflict.
P.S. Excuse my horrible grammar i haven't been proofreading....
Anyone who wants relatively unbiased information should look for media of a country that is not involved....I use BBC news

1. All the settlements are legal...if any were illegal, the US would've said something long ago...hell didja know that Israel is turning over some towns, that are supposed to be part of Israel...from the 1949 partition. So who's occupying who exactly?

As for the Iron-Fist Occupation....forget it, there needs to be no freedom, and oppression for it to be Iron-Fist, i am pretty sure Wealth, Freedom and Jobs, doesnt constitute as Iron-Fist Occupation.

As for media source...do not use BBC, or any countries, use one, that is by a small group of people, that have more interest in how the stuff will go about...rather then speculation, and comments with no proof.

You can start with military websites for starters...they tend to focus on the details and history, and don't spin things as they tend to all be non-profit regardless.

Anyways once again......g2g bye. I'll be surprised to see this topic still in the morning, so if you want you can TG me.

I have seen reports from many sources, both reliable and unreliable, that pretty much most, if not all major media industries in the world are biased in one way or another.

I would agree that the best sources are underground sources, real people talking about real details.