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The question is, what makes one a homosexual? Is it how their raised. Its most certainly not a choice, if they are raised differently however, that may contibute something to the matter. That would be a possible answer 3 weeks ago, now however, studies have shown that gays armpits smell different from straight's armpits thus proving what my theory has been for so many years, that it is some sort of chemical error when the baby is being created.

Perhaps the wrong dosage of testosterone or estrogen?

Wrong on all counts. It's the secular commie conspiracy that makes you gay!
:D

Decades of research by scientists have only produced sketchy answers to this question. What makes you think it will be solved here in this thread? You're just going to get a bunch of right wing wackos shouting that's it's choice, and other people saying that it's genetics, neither with any basis for their arguments.

*groans* Is this a never ending topic here on NS?

The question is, what makes one a homosexual?

Oprah.

the fact that they like to have sex with the same gendered people as they are?

who cares? people are what they are, let them be happy and leave them the hell alone.

Oprah.

HA! I've never watched Oprah in my life and I'm a lesbian. It's quite obviously gay-rays from the martians with the intent to wipe us all out without a messy war.

Wrong on all counts. It's the secular commie conspiracy that makes you gay!
:D
Im gonna have to go with this one. its the commies.

You're all wrong. It's the environmentalists!

They're putting... sticks in... the toilet water! Turning people gay!

Actual homosexuality, or inability to be aroused by the opposite sex in order to procreate, is not very common, about 1-4% of the population. These people have a clinical disorder. Hormonal problems, as you indicate, may cause it.

For the rest, it's a perversion and a matter of choice. There are simply too many "gays" in North America, for example, for all of it to be of clinical causes. AFAIK, the psychology of perversion is a mystery to even to the psychiatrists.

But, the society has an enormous role in this. In ancient Greece, homosexuality was officially sanctioned, and was seen as the only noble form of love. This is similar to choosing to identify with gays instead of heterosexuals, but the reasons are different today. One of them may be the expectations placed on heterosexuals, which are too much for some.

HA! I've never watched Oprah in my life and I'm a lesbian. It's quite obviously gay-rays from the martians with the intent to wipe us all out without a messy war.

I didn't say watching Oprah, I just said "Oprah".

You'd be amazed at how far her power reaches. She's a horseman of the Apocalypse, you know.

Wrong on all counts. It's the secular commie conspiracy that makes you gay!
:D
I thought it was all the female hormones in the meat and the milk. :confused:

I didn't say watching Oprah, I just said "Oprah".

You'd be amazed at how far her power reaches. She's a horseman of the Apocalypse, you know.

I see. If I had photoshop skills I'd go and invent some evidence to prove this.


No, wait.What I actually said was that if I had a camera and the location of the horsemen of the apocalypse, I'd go gather the proof.

But until I can be bothered to do that, I still say gayrays.

I still say gayrays.
Is that anything like "gaydar"?

:p

I still say gayrays.

Gay Ray runs a coffee shop near downtown Houston.

I *knew* he was up to something!

Is that anything like "gaydar"?

:p

It's what allows it to work. People can pinpoint the recievers of the dastardly rays, and so can identify who is gay and who is not. Magical, but devilish. I'm sworn to destroy the martians and their gay-guns, to end the threat towards Earth and return everyone to a good and pure lifestyle.

Oh shit, I forgot:

QUEER GAS!

Excerpt:
http://www.blogwars.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=2477

Full:
http://homokaasu.org/pages.gas?5

The question is, what makes one a homosexual? Is it how their raised. Its most certainly not a choice, if they are raised differently however, that may contibute something to the matter. That would be a possible answer 3 weeks ago, now however, studies have shown that gays armpits smell different from straight's armpits thus proving what my theory has been for so many years, that it is some sort of chemical error when the baby is being created.

Perhaps the wrong dosage of testosterone or estrogen?

it's the desire to pursue sexual and romantic relations exclusively with persons of their own gender. There is no single 'root cause', it simply is. It's like asking why someone prefers redheads or blondes or brunettes, or why some folks can't get off without being spanked or pee'd on.

it's the desire to pursue sexual and romantic relations exclusively with persons of their own gender. There is no single 'root cause', it simply is. It's like asking why someone prefers redheads or blondes or brunettes, or why some folks can't get off without being spanked or pee'd on.

Agreed. It's 90% or more biological and there are brain studies to prove this, although I don't have any links off hand.

Homosexuals don't wake up one day and say "Hey! I think I'll be gay!", anymore than heterosexuals wake up one day and say "Hey! I think I'll be straight!"

There are some environmental influences, but without the biological, it's really negligable.

i read an article the other day that had something to do with pheromones... anyway it said basically a gay man has something in his brain that makes him attracted to males n not females. its not a choice, and it could possibly be genetics.

Upbringing, but somewhere along the way, choice too.

For example, a kid growing up in a family of criminals is more inclined to become a criminal, but it's still his choice to pull the trigger.


(sigh, now people are going to call me a troller, just because I believe that gays are by choice)

One problem with claiming that it is genetic. The basis of genetics says that DNA is passed down generations through sex between the male and female of the species. Therefore, if there was some sort of gay gene, it would destroy itself through a lack of children. Therefore, the gene would not be able to be passed down the genetic line, and couldn't still be here today.

Glenroand :sniper:

People are gay for a slightly similar reason as to why some people are transgendered. When a fetus is developing, as soon as the sex is determined, a signal is sent to the brain, and the brain developes male or female charectoristics. In the case of a transgendered person, the brain doesn't recieve the message, and becomes the opposite gender from the sex of the fetus. In the case of a homosexual person, the brain assumes to correct gender, but the part of the brain that causes a person of one sex to become attracted to another developes so that the person is attracted to the same sex. I think that, although transsexuality is a birth anomaly, homosexuality is a perfectly natural developement.

i read an article the other day that had something to do with pheromones... anyway it said basically a gay man has something in his brain that makes him attracted to males n not females. its not a choice, and it could possibly be genetics.
(DISCLAIMER: this is not a homophic rant...just a Devil's Advocate line of thought.)

I sit back and silently giggle when people holler about "it's genetics!". With the advances in genetic technology nowdays and the ability to genetically create "custom babies" not far away, you'd think homosexuals would be saying it's anything but genetics.

Think about it. What heterosexual couple WANTS to have a gay son or daughter? I'd venture to guess it's close to about ZERO%. When they find the "gay gene" and perfect "custom babies", you can bet the homosexual population will all but die out. Anyone after that will have been missed by the gene scan or their orientation will be because of choice/environment.

One problem with claiming that it is genetic. The basis of genetics says that DNA is passed down generations through sex between the male and female of the species. Therefore, if there was some sort of gay gene, it would destroy itself through a lack of children. Therefore, the gene would not be able to be passed down the genetic line, and couldn't still be here today.
Well, it could pass through a complex of recessive genes, allowing it to be carried trough generations without actually being expressed except for in a small portion.

On a mostly unrelated note, but also about genetics, I wonder if this would work?:
Do a study of gay men who have identical twins. If the twins are not gay also, might that rule out genetics being the only cause?
I don't know, just a wierd idea that popped into my head.

I didn't say watching Oprah, I just said "Oprah".

You'd be amazed at how far her power reaches. She's a horseman of the Apocalypse, you know.

Proof: http://img244.echo.cx/img244/8705/pr00f7zd.jpg



Oh, and Dramonorth, It could be recessive genes. Not all genes are dominant. Haven't you learned about Heredity?

The question is, what makes one a homosexual? Is it how their raised. Its most certainly not a choice, if they are raised differently however, that may contibute something to the matter. That would be a possible answer 3 weeks ago, now however, studies have shown that gays armpits smell different from straight's armpits thus proving what my theory has been for so many years, that it is some sort of chemical error when the baby is being created.

Perhaps the wrong dosage of testosterone or estrogen?
Blame the Jews, that always seems to work.

The question is, what makes one a homosexual? Is it how their raised. Its most certainly not a choice, if they are raised differently however, that may contibute something to the matter. That would be a possible answer 3 weeks ago, now however, studies have shown that gays armpits smell different from straight's armpits thus proving what my theory has been for so many years, that it is some sort of chemical error when the baby is being created.

Perhaps the wrong dosage of testosterone or estrogen?


I'm not a chemist nor a biologist, so I can't even begin to speculate.

However, gay's pituitary glands were smaller than other, hetrosexual people's. Pituitary is the gland that excretes horomones.

Free will. People choose to be because it suits them, just like a hetrosexual male. I don't see the mass interest in it really.

It's very simple. Men and women are made from the same design. The DNA of men and women are identical except for women having two X-chromosomes and Men only having one X-chromosome and a Y-chromosome, which is not a large difference. Men and women are very similar and if you look at the development of say the penis and the clitorous you can see it's the same structure modified for different roles. A gene that encourages sex with men is a survival trait when it is in a woman, and a gene that encourages sex with women is a survival trait when it is found in men. So "gay" genes are actually "have sex" genes and so are not doomed to die out.

my unsolitited thoughts:

why are some people gay?

i'll counter with another question: why would anyone care why? they are.. deal with it. Most of the time, people asking the first question have to ask themselves this one "is it really any of my business?" usually, the answer is no.

hrm, paying no attention to my own conspiratorial ramblings, I shall spew forth a new one.

This thread should be renamed "what makes people heterosexual?"

I mean seriously. I have real problems with having to see their lifestyle. Do what you want, man, but don't shove it in my face.

Why are people hetereosexual? Why are people bisexual? Why does it even matter?

To answer the question though, I think it's the same thing that makes somebody hetereo. I like the theory that homosexuality is a natural population control method.

hrm, paying no attention to my own conspiratorial ramblings, I shall spew forth a new one.

This thread should be renamed "what makes people heterosexual?"

I mean seriously. I have real problems with having to see their lifestyle. Do what you want, man, but don't shove it in my face.

So you don't like men shoving it your face? Fair do's. Then wonders of free will ;) :D ;)

So you don't like men shoving it your face? Fair do's. Then wonders of free will ;) :D ;)

I see what you done there. You twisted my words!

But you see! I don't have girls shoving their genitals in my face, but with a guy, you have to hold him back! What's with that? I mean really. Do straights have no restraint?

I see what you done there. You twisted my words!

But you see! I don't have girls shoving their genitals in my face, but with a guy, you have to hold him back! What's with that? I mean really. Do straights have no restraint?

If your pretty then no

If they have partaken in an alcoholic beverage then no

so on the whole generally we don't have much restraint. Personally I haven't shoved my genitals into anyones face recently but ill keep you posted

If your pretty then no

If they have partaken in an alcoholic beverage then no

so on the whole generally we don't have much restraint. Personally I haven't shoved my genitals into anyones face recently but ill keep you posted

Exactly. And to think those without restraint have the monopoly on marriage. It's hypocrisy gone mad. Nymphomaniac straight people must be stopped!
Madam and eve not Adam and Eve!

Exactly. And to think those without restraint have the monopoly on marriage. It's hypocrisy gone mad. Nymphomaniac straight people must be stopped!
Madam and eve not Adam and Eve!

Madam and eve

Adam and Steve

whatever floats your boat or the female equivelent

I would say a shlong in a dudes butt or mouth would pretty much make him gay in my book.

There are no homosexual women, there are a whole bunch of bisexual ladies though. At one point or another,with the help of alcohol or not, lesbians will stray to the straight side for a piece of man meat.

I would say a shlong in a dudes butt or mouth would pretty much make him gay in my book.

ok what if a woman was screwing a man and the woman has got a strap-on up the dudes rectum is that gay?

There are no homosexual women, there are a whole bunch of bisexual ladies though. At one point or another,with the help of alcohol or not, lesbians will stray to the straight side for a piece of man meat.
ah...ignorance.

its almost beautiful.

There are no homosexual women, there are a whole bunch of bisexual ladies though. At one point or another,with the help of alcohol or not, lesbians will stray to the straight side for a piece of man meat.

oh, puh-leze... this lesbian thinks that's wishful thinking on your part.

personally i think that being gay relies upon an extremely complex combination of biology and environment. perhaps a recessive gene coupled with early exposure to good taste and fashion.

The question is, what makes one a homosexual? Is it how their raised. Its most certainly not a choice, if they are raised differently however, that may contibute something to the matter. That would be a possible answer 3 weeks ago, now however, studies have shown that gays armpits smell different from straight's armpits thus proving what my theory has been for so many years, that it is some sort of chemical error when the baby is being created.

Perhaps the wrong dosage of testosterone or estrogen?


if they like to take it in the ass, then they a re most definately homosexual. unless theyre a chick.. then their kinky.

ok what if a woman was screwing a man and the woman has got a strap-on up the dudes rectum is that gay?

yea.. if the dude wants his grl to wear a strap on and do him in the ass, its gay.

yea.. if the dude wants his grl to wear a strap on and do him in the ass, its gay.
so homosexual sex now also includes some forms of sex between a male and a female?

when did this happen? :confused:

so homosexual sex now also includes some forms of sex between a male and a female?

when did this happen? :confused:

Its not about being gay or straight anymore its about what goes where!! perfect case example

if they like to take it in the ass, then they a re most definately homosexual. unless theyre a chick.. then their kinky.

Ah, that tired old stance that tries to assert that as long as you're a top you are still "straight", and only bottoms are "gay". So absurd. Many gay men do not like to "take it in the ass".

so homosexual sex now also includes some forms of sex between a male and a female?

when did this happen? :confused:

I'm confused as well. Does that mean if two women are having sex, and one has a strap-on, they're straight?

:confused:

if they like to take it in the ass, then they a re most definately homosexual. unless theyre a chick.. then their kinky.

Perfect double standard

[QUOTE=12345543211]The question is, what makes one a homosexual?QUOTE]


A desire to have sex with those of the same sex.

I've personally had relations with 3"lesbians".(Not at once,over the past 10 years.) Co-workers and friends who are still in steady relationships with their same sex partners.

Sorry whats your point?

Let me guess your a woman (SARCASM)

[QUOTE=12345543211]The question is, what makes one a homosexual?QUOTE]


A desire to have sex with those of the same sex.

that will do

ok what if a woman was screwing a man and the woman has got a strap-on up the dudes rectum is that gay?
Then the guy has ISSUES that could be construed as a homosexual tendencies.

Sorry whats your point?

Let me guess your a woman (SARCASM)

Ha!Ha! I am hung like one though!(sniffle,sob)

The question is, what makes one a homosexual? Is it how their raised. Its most certainly not a choice, if they are raised differently however, that may contibute something to the matter. That would be a possible answer 3 weeks ago, now however, studies have shown that gays armpits smell different from straight's armpits thus proving what my theory has been for so many years, that it is some sort of chemical error when the baby is being created.

Perhaps the wrong dosage of testosterone or estrogen?

What makes people gay? Simple:
SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS

Then the guy has ISSUES that could be construed as a homosexual tendencies.
but its by a woman, he doesn't want a man to do it so how can it be a homosexual tendancy?

Some gay men only want to penertrate their partner. Is this a hetrosexual tendancy with a man?

And one more question

Could a man having anal sex with a woman be "the guy has ISSUES that could be construed as a homosexual tendencies"?

Ha!Ha! I am hung like one though!(sniffle,sob)
Maybe that's why you got the lesbians... they thought it was a clit.

/me runs

:p

Could a man having anal sex with a woman be "the guy has ISSUES that could be construed as a homosexual tendencies"?
Not only that... the woman could be a gay man trapped in a woman's body!!!2111111 :eek:

:p

Not only that... the woman could be a gay man trapped in a woman's body!!!2111111 :eek:

:p

Well its just getting ridiculous

but its by a woman, he doesn't want a man to do it so how can it be a homosexual tendancy?

Some gay men only want to penertrate their partner. Is this a hetrosexual tendancy with a man?

And one more question

Could a man having anal sex with a woman be "the guy has ISSUES that could be construed as a homosexual tendencies"?

My guess is that the guy getting it by a chick with a strap on wants to be taken(penetrated) feel(play)the part of the woman. Iguess,even though taking it in the butt sounds gay,technically in this instance as with crossdressers it is not necessarily a homosexual act.

I would say a shlong in a dudes butt or mouth would pretty much make him gay in my book.I don't think anyone cares what's gay in your book. Your thing against homosexuals, coupled with the fact that your name is "Boozensex", makes you look like just another stupid homophobe.

There are no homosexual women, there are a whole bunch of bisexual ladies though. At one point or another,with the help of alcohol or not, lesbians will stray to the straight side for a piece of man meat.No one needs to know about your fantasies.

I like it in the butt and I am not gay.



Or am I? Maybe I have just been fooling myself all these years and cheating myself from the hard throbbing penis that I secretly desire. I'll have to let my girlfriend know ASAP.

I like it in the butt and I am not gay.
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Its probably cuz they get poked a lot as babies lol.

Find out what makes people heterosexual, and I think you'll find out what makes people homosexual. Given the much larger amount of heterosexual breeders, it should be much easier to extract this information from one of their species. :D

This is really random, but I hear about a gay guy who was born a month to soon. I think that might be it.

Its probably cuz they get poked a lot as babies lol.What's the "lol" for? That's not really funny.

This is really random, but I hear about a gay guy who was born a month to soon. I think that might be it.Okay, now the time has come for someone to give us an intelligent hypothesis.

The question is, what makes one a homosexual? Is it how their raised. Its most certainly not a choice, if they are raised differently however, that may contibute something to the matter. That would be a possible answer 3 weeks ago, now however, studies have shown that gays armpits smell different from straight's armpits thus proving what my theory has been for so many years, that it is some sort of chemical error when the baby is being created.

Perhaps the wrong dosage of testosterone or estrogen?


Its how they are born..and some sort of ERROR???

I'm gay and your calling me an error. I think there is no error in being gay. Wrong dosage? You sound like being gay is some type of mutation or error at birth...

Its how they are born..and some sort of ERROR???

I'm gay and your calling me an error. I think there is no error in being gay. Wrong dosage? You sound like being gay is some type of mutation or error at birth...
Can you prove it's not? It could very well be some genetic defect. Nature's way of going "DAMN! You should NOT breed!"

I'm not saying it is...I'm just saying it's something to think about...because no one really knows.

Can you prove it's not? It could very well be some genetic defect. Nature's way of going "DAMN! You should NOT breed!"

I'm not saying it is...I'm just saying it's something to think about...because no one really knows.

Besides that, people are taking "mutation" to mean "error." Technically it is (it's an error in copying DNA but then, so is aging), but that doesn't mean there is anything 'wrong' with blonde hair and blue eyes (both of which are also mutations).

There are no homosexual women, there are a whole bunch of bisexual ladies though. At one point or another,with the help of alcohol or not, lesbians will stray to the straight side for a piece of man meat.

Dream on...

Can you prove it's not? It could very well be some genetic defect. Nature's way of going "DAMN! You should NOT breed!"

I'm not saying it is...I'm just saying it's something to think about...because no one really knows.
Maybe jsut maybe..

But, one thing I know for sure.. I don't think that I'll choose to like men today..I just do and I can't help it..But, I don't find myself any different from any other human being when talking about basics.

Well, it could pass through a complex of recessive genes, allowing it to be carried trough generations without actually being expressed except for in a small portion.

On a mostly unrelated note, but also about genetics, I wonder if this would work?:
Do a study of gay men who have identical twins. If the twins are not gay also, might that rule out genetics being the only cause?
I don't know, just a wierd idea that popped into my head.

I believe the statistic is 52% of all twins that have at least one gay twin will have both twins gay. That's more than a "statistic anomally" and does indicate a correlation with genetics.

No, you're all wrong. Homosexuality is caused by "the abuse of electric devices". Its true! An old man wearing white galooshes and a blue parka in the middle of July @ a coffee shop told me so. Thats why the environment is so screwed up to. God saved him from a lonely death in the backwoods east of Moosefactory, Ontario and told him to tell everyone. The Birds are all being operated by evil capatilists using remote control. It must be true!

(BTW, I really did meet such a person...Other things he told me make me think he mistook Delerium Tremens for a religious experience. Happens all the time. Good enough for me ;) )

The question is, what makes one a homosexual? Is it how their raised. Its most certainly not a choice, if they are raised differently however, that may contibute something to the matter. That would be a possible answer 3 weeks ago, now however, studies have shown that gays armpits smell different from straight's armpits thus proving what my theory has been for so many years, that it is some sort of chemical error when the baby is being created.

Perhaps the wrong dosage of testosterone or estrogen?

I am going to give the only correct answer according to science now. Pay attention. Everybody ready ?

"We don't know yet."

It could be genetic, it could be due to raising, a combination, the will of God, a chemical error - or it could even be so that homosexuals are needed for a species to flourish. Not everyone needs to be a breeder after all. However, there is no conclusive answer yet. So any debate is pure speculation.

[QUOTE=12345543211]The question is, what makes one a homosexual?
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Threads like this!

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No, I make people homosexual!! :mad:

*makes mekonia homosexual*

Can you prove it's not? It could very well be some genetic defect. Nature's way of going "DAMN! You should NOT breed!"

I'm not saying it is...I'm just saying it's something to think about...because no one really knows.
If nature wanted homosexuals to not breed, I think it's doing a bad job. Homosexuals frequently breed and make kids - who aren't necessarily gay btw. That is due to societal norms, forcing people into roles they are not made for. Also sometimes people realize relatively late that they are homosexual or bi-sexual. If homosexuals were not supposed to breed, nature would have made them sterile, which is not the case. If necessary, even homosexuals could produce offspring. Since it is not necessary and the world is already overpopulated, most homosexuals do not produce offspring. It's much better to adopt kids anyway, they need a home and it saves homosexuals the need to do something they don't want to do.

I don't think anyone cares what's gay in your book. Your thing against homosexuals, coupled with the fact that your name is "Boozensex", makes you look like just another stupid homophobe.

No one needs to know about your fantasies.

My thing isn't against homosexuals even though it probably is in your fantasies.

most gays have an inferiority,no not inferiority, i mean at one point in their lives a VERY LOW(and unwarrented) self esteem problem. this could be a small
part of the big puzzle. it doesn't matter anyway, who cares , what makes a watch tic?

Im gonna have to go with this one. its the commies.
Sadly this is true. The first girl I ever had sex with is now a lesbian and has a live-in female lover.

most gays have an inferiority,no not inferiority, i mean at one point in their lives a VERY LOW(and unwarrented) self esteem problem. this could be a small
part of the big puzzle. it doesn't matter anyway, who cares , what makes a watch tic?


Gee, I wonder why gays might have a low self-esteem? Could it perhaps be that society tells us we are evil sinners who deserve to burn in hell because we love the "wrong person"? Could it be that our governments tells us that our relationships are inferior and we don't deserve equality for ourselves, even though we share in the burden of supporting said governments? Could it be that the bullies in school--the ones who truly seem to have a self-esteem problem--choose to focus on us because we are easy targets due to a frequent lack of peer, teacher, and parental support?

It could be that. Or one of a million other reeasons foisted on us by a soceity which claims to value equality and fairness, but only gives them to you if you fit some artificial concept of what is normal and right.

I like the theory that everyone is bisexual deep down but one part of their sexuality is repressed due to the society they're in. It kind of makes sense, given the prevalence of indiscriminate sex in the animal kingdom.

what make people?

I like the theory that everyone is bisexual deep down but one part of their sexuality is repressed due to the society they're in. It kind of makes sense, given the prevalence of indiscriminate sex in the animal kingdom.

I like this persons idea way better then anything I could of put up. I mean what makes hetros, hetros? I know reproduction and all that crud, but really? If we all knew what makes us who we are, we wouldn't need to ask such dumb questions.

ya know, i keep thinking about it and it keeps coming back to that they have sex with people of their own gender

sure some do both genders and that technically makes them bisexual but all in all..... thats pretty much what makes them gay.

homosexuality is just a prefrence
people arent born knowing they're gay or somthing its
just they make that choice based on there prefrence

Sadly this is true. The first girl I ever had sex with is now a lesbian and has a live-in female lover.
I knew it!

ummm pointlessness?

I'm waiting for the 'absent father' theory, thats always an amusing one
or maybe the 'gay gene' which is obviously why its so hereditary.... *doh*
or maybe its high school bullying, yeah because you *choose* to put urself through all the sh*t
or maybe it could be...

personally I quite like being a part of a phenomenon with no known quantifiable source, adds to the mystery...

alternativly it may just be that men are damn hawt!

I still haven't seen a decent argument against free will.

Seriously why is it human nature to make a complex hypothesis to something so basic

i do believe that homosexuality is somehow innate


but

why should anyone care even if it were 100% a choice? SO WHAT?
its not such a terrible thing that choosing it would mean something bad about a person that an inner compulsion excuses.

its just sex. people do it. who cares who they do it with??

I still haven't seen a decent argument against free will.

Seriously why is it human nature to make a complex hypothesis to something so basic


Can you choose to be gay?

I still haven't seen a decent argument against free will.

Seriously why is it human nature to make a complex hypothesis to something so basic
so if you wanted to you would willingly go and enjoy sex with a member of the same sex?

Can you choose to be gay?

if you want to be gay then your gay

if you want to be straight then your straight

In my opinion its a lifestyle that people choose according to their wants

so if you wanted to you would willingly go and enjoy sex with a member of the same sex?

I would and do you have a problem with that. Its naturally who I like.

if you want to be gay then your gay

if you want to be straight then your straight

In my opinion its a lifestyle that people choose according to their wants

Well, then when you choose to be the opposite of what you are and to live your life that way, I'll give some credence to your "opinion". However, since I actually HAVE tried to change, you'll forgive me if I just roll my eyes at you instead.

I would and do you have a problem with that. Its naturally who I like.
...excuse me?

Spiderman

Well, then when you choose to be the opposite of what you are and to live your life that way, I'll give some credence to your "opinion". However, since I actually HAVE tried to change, you'll forgive me if I just roll my eyes at you instead.

Nothing to forgive, I don't know a great deal about this, it just annoies me when people say their must be some sort of higher reason.

Forgive me if this sounds like a stupid question but you mentioned trying to change. I'm assuming that this attempt to change failed. The major reason for this because your happier to be true to yourself so you choose to be the person you are instead of lying to yourself.

Wouldn't that suggest free will is a major factor?

Nothing to forgive, I don't know a great deal about this, it just annoies me when people say their must be some sort of higher reason.

Forgive me if this sounds like a stupid question but you mentioned trying to change. I'm assuming that this attempt to change failed. The major reason for this because your happier to be true to yourself so you choose to be the person you are instead of lying to yourself.

Wouldn't that suggest free will is a major factor?


No. It woudln't. Free will would mean I could change the person I was. Sure, I have the free will to decide not to fight a battle that can't be won (changing my sexuality, however that in no way implies that I had free will/choice in deciding my sexuality. Choosing not to fight the inevitable is not the same thing as choosing for that thing to be inevitable.

No. It woudln't. Free will would mean I could change the person I was. Sure, I have the free will to decide not to fight a battle that can't be won (changing my sexuality, however that in no way implies that I had free will/choice in deciding my sexuality. Choosing not to fight the inevitable is not the same thing as choosing for that thing to be inevitable.

I don't believe people have set sexualities (sp?). Even if they did they can still choose to embrace it or not. Its not much of a choice i accept that and I know which I'd choose but its still a choice in my opinion.

I don't believe people have set sexualities (sp?).

Then change. If your sexuality isn't set, you should have absolutely no trouble becoming a differnet sexuality than you are now.


Even if they did they can still choose to embrace it or not. Its not much of a choice i accept that and I know which I'd choose but its still a choice in my opinion.

So are you saying that a gay person should choose to deny that they are gay (something that is so basically a part of them as hair or skin color) and thereby deny themselves the basic happinesses of romantic love and sex?

According to recent scientific studies, it (sexuality) appears to be a result of certain chemicals in your brain, which react with other chemicals in your body and brain to physiologically produce a sexual reaction to men or women. It's not a choice, any more than your IQ is a choice, or being born blue eyed is a choice. It's a chemical thing.

http://health.yahoo.com/news/_61823
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/0510_050510_gayscent.html

Score one for Science!

Then change. If your sexuality isn't set, you should have absolutely no trouble becoming a differnet sexuality than you are now.



So are you saying that a gay person should choose to deny that they are gay (something that is so basically a part of them as hair or skin color) and thereby deny themselves the basic happinesses of romantic love and sex?

Firstly I have tried both sexes and I have made my decision on which I prefer , this is why I think the way I do.

Secondly where did I say someone who was gay "should choose to deny that they are gay"?

I said that they had the choice to embrace their sexuality be it gay, straight or bisexual. I did say I know what I'd do and you have jumped to a conclusion of what you think I would do. Read what I said carefully and you would see that i said "Its not much of a choice i accept that". I said this because I don't think you can be truly happy if you lie to yourself.

According to recent scientific studies, it (sexuality) appears to be a result of certain chemicals in your brain, which react with other chemicals in your body and brain to physiologically produce a sexual reaction to men or women. It's not a choice, any more than your IQ is a choice, or being born blue eyed is a choice. It's a chemical thing.

http://health.yahoo.com/news/_61823
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/0510_050510_gayscent.html

Score one for Science!

a favourite quote of mine

"science can prove an elephant can stop falling off a cliff by holding onto a daisy, it common sense that tells us that it wouldn't happen"

Its an interesting study but at the moment i don't buy it

Shouldn't that study in Sweden have cleared this all up now?

Firstly I have tried both sexes and I have made my decision on which I prefer , this is why I think the way I do.

Secondly where did I say someone who was gay "should choose to deny that they are gay"?

I said that they had the choice to embrace their sexuality be it gay, straight or bisexual. I did say I know what I'd do and you have jumped to a conclusion of what you think I would do. Read what I said carefully and you would see that i said "Its not much of a choice i accept that". I said this because I don't think you can be truly happy if you lie to yourself.


Read what i said, and you will see that I asked a question to clarify. I will admit I was jumping to the most negative connotation--because that is what I am used to gettign here. However, I did ask because Ir ealize my own bias and need to be clear before I really jump down your throat.

Regardless, I KNOW that for some of us there is no choice involved. I couldn't sleep with or find romantic and emotional fulfillment with a women if I tried--I know, I HAVE tried. It wasn't a choice. There was nothing there. I can't change that. My sexuality--and the sexuality o fthe many people I have spoken with--is set and is beyond conscious choice.

Read what i said, and you will see that I asked a question to clarify. I will admit I was jumping to the most negative connotation--because that is what I am used to gettign here. However, I did ask because Ir ealize my own bias and need to be clear before I really jump down your throat.

Regardless, I KNOW that for some of us there is no choice involved. I couldn't sleep with or find romantic and emotional fulfillment with a women if I tried--I know, I HAVE tried. It wasn't a choice. There was nothing there. I can't change that. My sexuality--and the sexuality o fthe many people I have spoken with--is set and is beyond conscious choice.

You accept yourself, and your happier because of it, that is your choice and we both know you chose wisely.

You accept yourself, and your happier because of it, that is your choice and we both know you chose wisely.
it was his choice not to carry on trying to enjoy being with women

but it wasnt his choice not to enjoy being with women

You accept yourself, and your happier because of it, that is your choice and we both know you chose wisely.

I accept myself, that does not mean I choose my sexuality.

it was his choice not to carry on trying to enjoy being with women

but it wasnt his choice not to enjoy being with women

indeed that is what i meant. :)

indeed that is what i meant. :)

And yet, as my understand carries me, you are saying its my choice to be gay.

I accept myself, that does not mean I choose my sexuality.
this is all on the assumption that sexuality is pre-determined, if it is then your perfectly correct.

Drop the fundamentalist b.s. already. Please. We're born queer just as heteros are born hetero.

What I'd like to know is whether or not there is a gene that causes people to purposely lobotomize themselves for Jesus/Allah/Yahweh, et al?

Or perhaps fundamentalism is a form of temporary mental illness, and has nothing to do with genetics. Regardless, this inquiring mind wants to know.

this is all on the assumption that sexuality is pre-determined, if it is then your perfectly correct.

What I'm telling you is that its not a choice. Call it inborn, call it a developmental defect, call is early psycholigcal changes assocaited with too many horses in your environment, I don't really care. What I am telling you is that, for most of us, its not a choice.

And yet, as my understand carries me, you are saying its my choice to be gay.

I believe sexuality is not pre-determined. I think many factors are involved, but when certain point in maturity is reached then i think it is difficult nearing impossible to "change" as it were

What I'm telling you is that its not a choice. Call it inborn, call it a developmental defect, call is early psycholigcal changes assocaited with too many horses in your environment, I don't really care. What I am telling you is that, for most of us, its not a choice.

i accept that my use of the word choice when talking about sexuality was a baduse of english on my part. I don't think its pre-determined

i accept that my use of the word choice when talking about sexuality was a baduse of english on my part. I don't think its pre-determined

I'm going to go out on a limb here and think that you are meaning that its not genetic, but that its also not a choice. Would I be right in that?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and think that you are meaning that its not genetic, but that its also not a choice. Would I be right in that?

:) That will do yeah

:) That will do yeah

Then it sounds to me like what we have here is a failure to communicate. Because we basically agree.

Now, I do happen to believe that there is a large genetic component to homosexuality--twin studies and concordance in families seems to point that way. However, I have no proof on them, just circumstantial evidence. What I do know, however, is that its not a choice, whether its genetic or psychological.