NationStates Jolt Archive

This is what Congress needs to do to secure the southern border and will a ways toward securing the homeland.

1. They need pass H.R. 19 a bill that would require employers to make sure that all of their employees are here legally and have a legal right to work in the US.
It establishes punishment against those who refuse.

2. Pass HR 98 http://www.congress.org/congressorg/webreturn/?url=http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.98

3. HR 100 is needed to stop criminal immigrants from abusing our judicial process to get away with heinous crimes committed against US Citizens.
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/webreturn/?url=http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.100


4. The Bush Executive Order declaring all illegal immigrants eligible to recieve Social Security benefits needs to be rescinded.

5. Border Patrol agents need to be given the tools and the power they need to do their jobs. Though agents are now coming under physical attack by criminal organizations they ability to even defend themselves is hampered by pro mexican beuracrats in DC. They are not even allowed to apprehend terrorists carrying suitcase nukes. And have been required by said bureaucrats to let people across even when their radiation sensors went ballistic.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7997408/

6. Armed troops need to be placed along the border to deal with armed gangs and terrorists.

7. All the bureaucrats and pro immigrant groups that run border policy need to be fired and replaced with people whose main concern is homeland security, not looking out for forigners with ill will toward America.

8. The INS needs to be given authority to do sweeps in all American cities to grab people who are illegal or who are immigrants with criminal records.

9. A new national ID card that is counterfeit proof needs to be established.

10. An electric fence with razor wire around it needs to be strung along the entire border.

11. Any one who is not a US citizen should be required to wear a tracking bracelet while in the US. The bracelet would go around their ankle and the govt. would be able to track it by satellite.

4 Words. Giant Laser Space Frizbees.

They can track and vaporize any man woman or child who crosses our borders.

seems like an awful lot of trouble and expense just to keep jose from coming over to pick lettuce

Screw all that... just put minefields along the whole border... a 50 yard stretch... if they can make it across that on foot, they deserve to get in. :p

4 Words. Giant Laser Space Frizbees.

They can track and vaporize any man woman or child who crosses our borders.
thanks for number 11.

Screw all that... just put minefields along the whole border... a 50 yard stretch... if they can make it across that on foot, they deserve to get in. :p
What kind of mines? The little ones that take your foot off, or the ones that jump up and spray you with shrapnel?

I'm sure the starving aliens working for next-to-nothing at some god awful wage-slave shop in the good ol' USA really poses a sercurity threat to the average white suburban dweller. Why not just tattoo everyone without a US citizenship?

Better yet, pass a law that forces other countries to implant tracking devices, so uneducated aliens can't steal your job, and if they don't go bomb the living shit out of them until they do!

seems like an awful lot of trouble and expense just to keep jose from coming over to pick lettuce
Tell Jose to stop being a prick and immigrate legally.

"Ihre Papieren, bitte. Mach schnell!"

seems like an awful lot of trouble and expense just to keep jose from coming over to pick lettuce
this ain't bout innocent lettuce pickers its about the assault on our nation by human traffickers, drug lords, criminal gangs, and mexican/central american terrorists. All of whome are being supported by Vicente Fox the corrupt leader of Mexico.

What kind of mines? The little ones that take your foot off, or the ones that jump up and spray you with shrapnel?
Definitely the bouncing bettys. :D

A moat. Filled daily with raw sewage piped in from cities in the American south.

That, and a PA system erected along the length of the moat, broadcasting recordings of Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter at Mexico.

"Ihre Papieren, bitte. Mach schnell!"

I don't speak Swedish. :(

"Ihre Papieren, bitte. Mach schnell!"

ROFL!

"Ihre Papieren, bitte. Mach schnell!"
No, the illegal Mexican aliens wouldn't understand German. It would only confuse the hell out of them.

Or, just give the United States to Mexico.. problem solved. It's not like the Mexicans could mess up this country anymore than the current government is doing.

I don't speak Swedish. :(

That's German. "Your papers please. Very fast!"

Definitely the bouncing bettys. :D
You're too soft hearted. Wouldn't you rather see them bleed out under the hot desert sun when their foot is blown apart into hamburger meat?

this ain't bout innocent lettuce pickers its about the assault on our nation by human traffickers, drug lords, criminal gangs, and mexican/central american terrorists. All of whome are being supported by Vicente Fox the corrupt leader of Mexico.
those people are RICH or funded by the rich, no law or wall or ID is going to stop drug trafficking, gangs, or terrorists. all that it will do is raise the price of lettuce.

You're too soft hearted. Wouldn't you rather see them bleed out under the hot desert sun when their foot is blown apart into hamburger meat?
Nah. Just get it over with.

Besides... illegal aliens are biodegradable. :D

"Ihre Papieren, bitte. Mach schnell!"

I wish I could speak German. I wanted to put that up. That's the only way that ID cards work. if someone checks to see if you have your papers on a regular basis. How else do they work?

As for the rest of it, it really, really seems like such a huge amount of effort.

I'm recalling something about those that trade freedom for security deserving neither? My memory is poor.

9. A new national ID card that is counterfeit proof needs to be established.

It will be very hard to make an ID card that is counterfeit proof because.
Anything that one man can make another man can duplicate.

So what about using thumb print scaners, then your thumb print is your ID card?

I'm recalling something about those that trade freedom for security deserving neither? My memory is poor.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

those people are RICH or funded by the rich, no law or wall or ID is going to stop drug trafficking, gangs, or terrorists. all that it will do is raise the price of lettuce.
lettuce is going extinct anyway due to global warming.

9. A new national ID card that is counterfeit proof needs to be established.

It will be very hard to make an ID card that is counterfeit proof because.
Anything that one man can make another man can duplicate.

So what about using thumb print scaners, then your thumb print is your ID card?
I can see it now. A wave of Mexican-Americans cutting off people's thumbs to send back home so that their relatives can sneak across the border.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

That's the one. Thankee.

lettuce is going extinct anyway due to global warming.
NO WAY
we gotta get a treaty going on that global warming thing!!

I can see it now. A wave of Mexican-Americans cutting off people's thumbs to send back home so that their relatives can sneak across the border.


Sir, I need your thumb print
NO problem officer, (pulls bloody thumb out of back pocket) here you go. :p

NO WAY
we gotta get a treaty going on that global warming thing!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol

Too bad it wouldn't do anything even if adopted globally.

They need pass H.R. 19 a bill that would require employers to make sure that all of their employees are here legally and have a legal right to work in the US.
It establishes punishment against those who refuse.

Don't employers already have to prove that their employees are legally entitled to do so in the US? Isn't that the point of filing tax forms and checking Social Security cards? What's the point of adding another law if the government can't enforce what's already in place?

HR 100 is needed to stop criminal immigrants from abusing our judicial process to get away with heinous crimes committed against US Citizens.

Illegal immigrants that commit crimes against the US should be deported and their country held liable for their actions and legal reprecussions. However, it's unfortunate no country will ever agree to that.

The Bush Executive Order declaring all illegal immigrants eligible to recieve Social Security benefits needs to be rescinded.

I agree with this. Illegal immigrants don't even pay into Social Security; why on earth should they be eligible for it?

Border Patrol agents need to be given the tools and the power they need to do their jobs.

Again, I agree with this. I know many Border Patrol agents, and I know one who was injured by a rock throwing illegal immigrant trying to cross the border. They need to be allowed to fire on illegal immigrants should they show signs of potential violence, just like police officers are allowed to do.

Armed troops need to be placed along the border to deal with armed gangs and terrorists.

You want to take the already dwindling number of armed forces and do what? Bring them back from Iraq so that they can protect the borders? I'd love to see it, but I highly doubt the Bush administration does.

All the bureaucrats and pro immigrant groups that run border policy need to be fired and replaced with people whose main concern is homeland security, not looking out for forigners with ill will toward America.

You can't fire someone for disagreeing, however, I do believe those who fail to see the potential possibilities of abuse should be reprimanded and given a swift boot up the ass until they see the dangers of the border as it is being regulated now.

The INS needs to be given authority to do sweeps in all American cities to grab people who are illegal or who are immigrants with criminal records.

No, no, no. Hitler did this with the SS... you remember the Holocaust, right?

A new national ID card that is counterfeit proof needs to be established.

Counterfeit proof will never happen. Nothing is every fail proof. I think we should start with a national driver's license, first, then move onto ID cards for those who can't get a license. Anybody who enters the country should be required to carry a photo ID on them, issued by the US government, even traveling dignataries.

An electric fence with razor wire around it needs to be strung along the entire border.

I feel like this came out of a Ren and Stimpy episode. They need to finish the wall already in place that's half-done, first, then move on to better way. One of the biggest problems the US government faces is that it doesn't finish what it starts.

Any one who is not a US citizen should be required to wear a tracking bracelet while in the US. The bracelet would go around their ankle and the govt. would be able to track it by satellite.

Again, this is Nazi Germany-esque. Remember the yellow star of David?

That's the one. Thankee.

Oh, dear. The only person I've ever seen use "thankee" is this girl, whose livejournal I read, called "babycola." She disappeared one day, without a trace. :(

3. HR 100 is needed to stop criminal immigrants from abusing our judicial process to get away with heinous crimes committed against US Citizens.

I don't know. It seems pretty hard to top the heinous crimes US citizens already commit against each other.

I'm thinking of the guy who tossed his 4-year-old out the window of a speeding SUV yesterday, as well as the teen from my old high school who just shot both his parents twice in the head each using a single-round shotgun...

I've used it for... ages, Fass. I'm not Babycola, though. Strange that she disappeared, but this is the internet. Probably nothing, or hopefully, even.


Don't really think I should hijack the thread though.

El Snippo

Man, that's kind of harsh. Ankle bracelets for satellite tracking? I guess Telescreens come next, and we can all agree that telescreens would suck.

Some of those are very harsh... hitleriffic even. Sweeping cities for these undesireables? Firing Buerocrats who don't toe the line? An electric fence with razor wire? And the already mentioned satellite tracking system?

It would never pass, unless tacked on to a military spending bill or something. It's just too harsh, for an issue that really is moot. They are here already. They will keep on coming. Razor wire and armed forces or not, they will find a way. In fact, it would be dumb to throw them out - they occupy the base of the pyramid of society (food growers/pickers, manual laborers, low-class service jobs, other things extremely important to a good economy yet not popular among americans as career choices.)

Though on a historical note there was something in the 50's I think... where the US took the army and literally corralled all the illegals from the SW US and pushed them back accross the border. Because the miliary presence wasn't permanent on the border though, pretty much all of them came back. It was called "Operation Wetback."

I don't know. It seems pretty hard to top the heinous crimes US citizens already commit against each other.

I'm thinking of the guy who tossed his 4-year-old out the window of a speeding SUV yesterday, as well as the teen from my old high school who just shot both his parents twice in the head each using a single-round shotgun...
or the fellow who beat his 2 year old son to death because the boy gave him a "mad dog" look

I feel like this came out of a Ren and Stimpy episode. They need to finish the wall already in place that's half-done, first, then move on to better way. One of the biggest problems the US government faces is that it doesn't finish what it starts.

The government hasn’t finished the wall because the “greens” are upset about the potential environmental damaged that could be done in a swamp. Never mind the damage that is being done by thousands of illeagals coming through the gap in the wall.

The government hasn’t finished the wall because the “greens” are upset about the potential environmental damaged that could be done in a swamp.

Greens don't run the government, do they?

"Ihre Papieren, bitte. Mach schnell!"

lol! *ich gebe die SS meine Papieren* SS: Alles in Ordnung. Naechst!

Whittier, no system of identification is counterfeit proof. Given time and resources, you can fake anything you want.

As for the tracking devices, that's a violation of the basic human right to privacy, not to mention how it could easily be abused.

lol! *ich gebe die SS meine Papieren* SS: Alles in Ordnung. Naechst!


Can I put something to test? I know VERY little german, next to none.

what you said:
*I give (show?) the SS my papers.* SS: All is in order. NEXT!

Am I right? I agree with you that nothing is counterfeit proof. History has shown us that time and again.

Can I put something to test? I know VERY little german, next to none.

what you said:
*I give (show?) the SS my papers.* SS: All is in order. NEXT!

Am I right? I agree with you that nothing is counterfeit proof. History has shown us that time and again.

Stimmt!(Correct!)

Yes, which is precisely why I'm against the Real ID system. It'd carry just about everything about you, in one little card. If you lost it, you'd be screwed. Not only would it be difficult to get another, but it would make identity theft far easier to do, once you get past the security features. How long after the dollar bill came out was a new version made to prevent further counterfeiting?And how soon did that one get outdated? The same applies with drivers licenses, and the like.

Don't employers already have to prove that their employees are legally entitled to do so in the US? Isn't that the point of filing tax forms and checking Social Security cards? What's the point of adding another law if the government can't enforce what's already in place?



Illegal immigrants that commit crimes against the US should be deported and their country held liable for their actions and legal reprecussions. However, it's unfortunate no country will ever agree to that.



I agree with this. Illegal immigrants don't even pay into Social Security; why on earth should they be eligible for it?



Again, I agree with this. I know many Border Patrol agents, and I know one who was injured by a rock throwing illegal immigrant trying to cross the border. They need to be allowed to fire on illegal immigrants should they show signs of potential violence, just like police officers are allowed to do.



You want to take the already dwindling number of armed forces and do what? Bring them back from Iraq so that they can protect the borders? I'd love to see it, but I highly doubt the Bush administration does.



You can't fire someone for disagreeing, however, I do believe those who fail to see the potential possibilities of abuse should be reprimanded and given a swift boot up the ass until they see the dangers of the border as it is being regulated now.



No, no, no. Hitler did this with the SS... you remember the Holocaust, right?



Counterfeit proof will never happen. Nothing is every fail proof. I think we should start with a national driver's license, first, then move onto ID cards for those who can't get a license. Anybody who enters the country should be required to carry a photo ID on them, issued by the US government, even traveling dignataries.



I feel like this came out of a Ren and Stimpy episode. They need to finish the wall already in place that's half-done, first, then move on to better way. One of the biggest problems the US government faces is that it doesn't finish what it starts.



Again, this is Nazi Germany-esque. Remember the yellow star of David?

1. They find ways to avoid it or they just simply ignore it. The proposed law would close those loop holes. Current law doesn't provide for punishment btw.

2. That holding other coutries to account for what their people was not part of what I meant. Though it is intriging idea.

3. Bush and his buddy Fox seem to think its some human right or something.

4 and 6. These go hand in hand. I am convinced that the agents will never be given the authority or power they need as long the mentioned bureaucrats remain in their jobs. I say get rid of the bureaus and replace with some agents who know what needs to be done.

5. Bush opposes it but he only has like 3 and half years left in office and he can't run for a third term.

6 (again). I not proposing we fire them for political disagreement. I am proposing they be fired for not doing their jobs.

7. The INS has to be able to prove the people they are targeting are here illegally. They wont' be given power to just bust down people's doors willy nilly.

8. Drivers license/ID are basically the same these days. But since you brought up drivers licenses, we need to make sure that illegals are banned from driving. In Arizona, most accidents are caused by illegals.

9. I agree they should finish the wall. I didn't think they had started it. I was under the impression that the Dems had blocked it from even being built.

10. Would only apply to people from nations like say Saudi Arabia, Syria, and other nations known to be recruiting grounds for terrorists.

Stimmt!(Correct!)

wooo! I seem to have this wierd ability to translate basic phrases without knowledge of the language, or a tiny grasping of it. Handy. Although that phrase was phonetically similar to English, it's a poor example.

Yes, which is precisely why I'm against the Real ID system. It'd carry just about everything about you, in one little card. If you lost it, you'd be screwed. Not only would it be difficult to get another, but it would make identity theft far easier to do, once you get past the security features. How long after the dollar bill came out was a new version made to prevent further counterfeiting?And how soon did that one get outdated? The same applies with drivers licenses, and the like.

That and the price. They're trying to charge £100 in Britain for something that would cost pennies to stamp. It's obscene amount of profit to be making. And they'll get hacked in no time. Necessity is the mother of invention, after all. And if they need to hack those cards to get your details, you can bet crims will have the method in no time.

wooo! I seem to have this wierd ability to translate basic phrases without knowledge of the language, or a tiny grasping of it. Handy. Although that phrase was phonetically similar to English, it's a poor example.



That and the price. They're trying to charge £100 in Britain for something that would cost pennies to stamp. It's obscene amount of profit to be making. And they'll get hacked in no time. Necessity is the mother of invention, after all. And if they need to hack those cards to get your details, you can bet crims will have the method in no time.
The only information the cards would have would be whether you are a US citizen and if not, whether you are here legally. They would not have computer chips to hold any thing else.

Didn't a similar thread address this issue a while back?

All of us are immigrants in the US, North America and South America. Nobody is a so called "native" american we all came here from someplace else.

The issue of immigration is a complex one and cannot be solved over night by implementing laws that not only gives more power to government agencies that don't need it, but will strip more rights from those of us who are citizens.

That is when fascism rears its ugly head and spreads, usually hurting those it was meant to protect.

If US citizens do not want immigrants to continue to "invade" the job market then they must be willing to work the jobs, at the wages, being paid to the immigrants are working those jobs, otherwise quit whining about it.

Didn't a similar thread address this issue a while back?

All of us are immigrants in the US, North America and South America. Nobody is a so called "native" american we all came here from someplace else.

The issue of immigration is a complex one and cannot be solved over night by implementing laws that not only gives more power to government agencies that don't need it, but will strip more rights from those of us who are citizens.

That is when fascism rears its ugly head and spreads, usually hurting those it was meant to protect.

If US citizens do not want immigrants to continue to "invade" the job market then they must be willing to work the jobs, at the wages, being paid to the immigrants are working those jobs, otherwise quit whining about it.


1. Speak for yourself. My people were here way before the white man or the mexicans.

2. It does nothing to strip citizens of their rights. It punishes those noncitizens who are here in violation of our national soverignty.

3. Going after criminals and terrorists is fascism? :rolleyes:

4. This is way beyond the job market. You need to look at the bigger picture of what is going on. Those immigrants who come here to work tend to come legally. These proposals target the criminals and terrorists who are sneaking in by hiding among those who come here to make a legit living. Now unfortunately, since we have to take drastic action against the criminals, one or two Jose lettuce pickers just might get caught up due to being in the wrong place at the wrong time. That is why the adage of be careful who you choose to hang around with, is true regardless of what nationality or culture you are. Drug dealing, human trafficking, mobsterism, extortion, violent gang activity, pedophilia, rape. Those are not legitimate jobs and I am very glad that most Americans shun those types of occupations.

1. Speak for yourself. My people were here way before the white man or the mexicans.

And what people are you?

2. It does nothing to strip citizens of their rights. It punishes those noncitizens who are here in violation of our national soverignty.

Forgive my cynicism but it will only be the next step toward stripping more rights from US citizens but you are oblivious to this and are apparently ready to begin goosestepping down the boulevard in defense of your right to crush people under your jack boot to keep them from coming into the US.

3. Going after criminals and terrorists is fascism? :rolleyes:

:headbang: It is when the laws being enacted will eventually strip citizens of their rights. There are plenty of laws already on the books that can be enforced to put criminals in prison. Hell they aren't even enforced for our home grown criminals. Closing borders isn't going to stop terrorism either. We have enough of our own grown version of that also.


4. This is way beyond the job market. You need to look at the bigger picture of what is going on. Those immigrants who come here to work tend to come legally. These proposals target the criminals and terrorists who are sneaking in by hiding among those who come here to make a legit living. Now unfortunately, since we have to take drastic action against the criminals, one or two Jose lettuce pickers just might get caught up due to being in the wrong place at the wrong time. That is why the adage of be careful who you choose to hang around with, is true regardless of what nationality or culture you are. Drug dealing, human trafficking, mobsterism, extortion, violent gang activity, pedophilia, rape. Those are not legitimate jobs and I am very glad that most Americans shun those types of occupations.

*snigger* YOU... need to look at the bigger picture, "Drug dealing, human trafficking, mobsterism, extortion, violent gang activity, pedophilia, rape" aren't exclusive to people who cross over our borders there are plenty of white, males born right here in the US that commit these same crimes...

1. Speak for yourself. My people were here way before the white man or the mexicans.
Give it a rest. Our ancestors (I'm part American Indian as well) came here over the Bering Strait land bridge way the hell back. Even *we* are immigrants.

11. Any one who is not a US citizen should be required to wear a tracking bracelet while in the US. The bracelet would go around their ankle and the govt. would be able to track it by satellite.

And so the US kisses its entire tourist income goodbye.

10. Would only apply to people from nations like say Saudi Arabia, Syria, and other nations known to be recruiting grounds for terrorists.

Something of a step down here from "any one", no? Anyhow care to name me a good string of countries (other than the Vatican City and the Pitcairn Islands) which aren't known to be recruiting grounds for terrorists?

Give it a rest. Our ancestors (I'm part American Indian as well) came here over the Bering Strait land bridge way the hell back. Even *we* are immigrants.

That's what I was alluding to but it's more fun to see how ignorant some people are... ;)

Anyhow care to name me a good string of countries (other than the Vatican City and the Pitcairn Islands) which aren't known to be recruiting grounds for terrorism?
Oh jeez. That's just about the same stupid argument as "throwing the baby out with the bathwater".

You go after the ones that are HEAVY breeding ground for terrorism FIRST, THEN you work your way out to the ones that are lesser breeding grounds.

By your same argument, we should ban ourselves since we breed homegrown terrorists such as ALF, ELF, Earth First! and others. :headbang:

Oh jeez. That's just about the same stupid argument as "throwing the baby out with the bathwater".

You go after the ones that are HEAVY breeding ground for terrorism FIRST, THEN you work your way out to the ones that are lesser breeding grounds.

That may very well be what Whittier- meant, but it certainly isn't what he said: he initially said 'any one who is not a US citizen', then appeared to step down and soften this policy somewhat, but still in an incredibly vague way.

You know, one thing I have learnt here on NS: it is best not to make assumptions about another's beliefs, no matter how incomprehensible they may seem to you - they may a hold them very dearly. What exactly Whittier- belives here remains unclear to me.

So, where would you draw the line?


By your same argument, we should ban ourselves since we breed homegrown terrorists such as ALF, ELF, Earth First! and others. :headbang:


You guys are excluded as you don't fit in the 'any one who is not a US citizen' category.

Oh jeez. That's just about the same stupid argument as "throwing the baby out with the bathwater".

You go after the ones that are HEAVY breeding ground for terrorism FIRST, THEN you work your way out to the ones that are lesser breeding grounds.

By your same argument, we should ban ourselves since we breed homegrown terrorists such as ALF, ELF, Earth First! and others. :headbang:
ya but wasnt that guy who tried to blow up his shoes from the UK? shouldnt be we watching the brits??

ya but wasnt that guy who tried to blow up his shoes from the UK? shouldnt be we watching the brits??
I heard he was a smelly hippie, too. KILL ALL SMELLY BRITISH HIPPIES!

:p

Seriously, though. That's my point. The UK isn't a HEAVY breeding ground for terrorists...yet.

ya but wasnt that guy who tried to blow up his shoes from the UK? shouldnt be we watching the brits??

hey, lets not forget our good old IRA, CIRA, RIRA, UVF, LVF, UDA, INLA...

ya but wasnt that guy who tried to blow up his shoes from the UK? shouldnt be we watching the brits??
Mr shoebomber didn't spend all his time in Britain. He spent huge chunks in Libya and Afghanistan working under Bin Laden.

Mr shoebomber didn't spend all his time in Britain. He spent huge chunks in Libya and Afghanistan working under Bin Laden.
yes but we certainly cant follow everyone in the world to see where they go and what they do.

yes but we certainly cant follow everyone in the world to see where they go and what they do.
SURE we can! Embedded GPS chips for everyone! They're the new "black"!

yes but we certainly cant follow everyone in the world to see where they go and what they do.
I agree, I was just noting that Britain can't be considered to be the major factor in his deciding to be a terrorist. And hence, cannot be held accountable for his actions.
Nations like Iran however, do encourage their people to be terrorists and even fund terrorist training. Hence a nation like Iran could be held accountable if we wanted to take it that far.

Mr shoebomber didn't spend all his time in Britain. He spent huge chunks in Libya and Afghanistan working under Bin Laden.

Are you now suggesting that any non-US citizen who isn't resident in Afghanistan, for example, or isn't an Afghan national, but has spent over a particular amount of time there should be tagged?


Also: what is to stop the tagged people dumping their anklets in the East River?

I agree, I was just noting that Britain can't be considered to be the major factor in his deciding to be a terrorist. And hence, cannot be held accountable for his actions.
Nations like Iran however, do encourage their people to be terrorists and even fund terrorist training. Hence a nation like Iran could be held accountable if we wanted to take it that far.


The UK is certainly home to a great many terrorist gangs though, and their entire raison d'etrre takes the question of being british (or not) as a central driving force. You seem to be suggesting now that UK citizens wouldn't be tagged, yes?

*snip*
Nations like Iran however, do encourage their people to be terrorists and even fund terrorist training. Hence a nation like Iran could be held accountable if we wanted to take it that far.

Really?That's interesting, because half of my family is from Iran, and none of them have ever mentioned that. Could you cite a source, please?

Gee, want to stop illegal immigration, go after the corperations that hire them. Oh, wait, I forgot, American throw HUGE hissy fits when we're forced to pay an extra dollar for our food, or hotel rooms, or anything.

That what I love about this xenophobic idiocy, so willing to deny others the benifits your family gained at one point in time, but unwilling to pay the price for that.

Really?That's interesting, because half of my family is from Iran, and none of them have ever mentioned that. Could you cite a source, please?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/2/7/170554.shtml

http://www.teror.gen.tr/english/middleeast/states/iran.html

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/terrorism4.html

http://www.spconsulting.us/Fox27May04.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/terror_94/statespon.html#Iran

Iran=terrorist state

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Iran=terrorist state

Live 'n' learn. However, I, personally, have never met any Iranians who supported terrorism against any nation. I do know that the current government isn't a peaceful or truly elected government. I've noticed you've failed to mention Pakistan, which, to my recollection, is a source of trained assassins.

Live 'n' learn. However, I, personally, have never met any Iranians who supported terrorism against any nation. I do know that the current government isn't a peaceful or truly elected government. I've noticed you've failed to mention Pakistan, which, to my recollection, is a source of trained assassins.
"Nations like Iran" would cover states like Pakistan

Whitter: Favor keeping the Chinese out too?

Whitter: Favor keeping the Chinese out too?
I favor keeping out anti religious bigots like people who use nationnames that start with F.
Just noticed the nation I was speaking of shares the same first letter as another nation.
I mean nations that start with F and end in S.

I favor keeping out anti religious bigots like people who use nationnames that start with F.

Finland? France? Fiji?

I favor keeping out anti religious bigots like people who use nationnames that start with F.
Just noticed the nation I was speaking of shares the same first letter as another nation.
I mean nations that start with F and end in S.
Am I being accused of being a puppet? A puppet that has been around since 2003? Over 3,000 posts?

That's quite a puppet.

I was sorta with you until we got to number 6.

Needs more sharks with frikkin laser beams.

We could make the border safer by calling the CQ at Whittier's barracks...

Am I being accused of being a puppet? A puppet that has been around since 2003? Over 3,000 posts?

That's quite a puppet.
heh, no.

Besides... illegal aliens are biodegradable. :D

Quote...of...the...month! I wanna get a t-shirt with that.

This is what Congress needs to do to secure the southern border and will a ways toward securing the homeland...

wouldn't it just be simpler to deport all the know-nothings to north korea and be done with it?

wouldn't it just be simpler to deport all the know-nothings to north korea and be done with it?
wait a minute. that would be everyone that disagrees with me. i;ll be alone.That's not acceptable.

Quote...of...the...month! I wanna get a t-shirt with that.
I'll talk to a friend of mine that runs a custom t-shirt company. Maybe he'll do a limited run. If he does, I'll send you a telegram. :D