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Well, shit has hit the fan, and I know autism isn't going to get cured in the near future. I'm just going to starve to death.

As you idiots toil on earth, remember that there is a way out.

Dude, thats just crazy. Donate to autism charities, do some research, but don't just throw your life away.

Have fun. Remember, when you get passed the first 24 to 36 hours you don't even feel hungry anymore. Good luck with your slow suicide.




What, was I supposed to try to talk him out of it?

As you idiots toil on earth, remember that there is a way out.
Right, working to get what we want.

Hungerstrikes are an atrocity. People ruin their health for an ideal. It connot continue, and as a protest, I will not eat until it stops

:headbang:

youll love the forced feedings in the state hospital!

Well, shit has hit the fan, and I know autism isn't going to get cured in the near future. I'm just going to starve to death.

As you idiots toil on earth, remember that there is a way out.
Why is it that you feel it is something to be cured? Perhaps Neuro-typical is what needs to be cured.

My son has a high-functioning form of Autism and there is nothing about him that needs to be cured. He is different. He and I both need to learn how to cope with his differences, but I would never try to "cure" him.

Many of the world's brightest have/had autism. Society just needs to change it's attitude that if it isn't normal, then it must be wrong.

AUTISTIC POLITICS IS REAL TOO! :eek: :fluffle:

Well, shit has hit the fan, and I know autism isn't going to get cured in the near future. I'm just going to starve to death.

As you idiots toil on earth, remember that there is a way out.

Er, thanks. More veal for me!

I should seek a cure for autism just to piss you off.

If your willing to starve yourself until a desease is cured, i dont't think anyone really cares if you die. Your a prime example of darwins theory of survival of the fittest, or in this case, smart enough not to starve themselves because something that can't be fixed isn't being fixed.

Why is it that you feel it is something to be cured? Perhaps Neuro-typical is what needs to be cured.

My son has a high-functioning form of Autism and there is nothing about him that needs to be cured. He is different. He and I both need to learn how to cope with his differences, but I would never try to "cure" him.

Many of the world's brightest have/had autism. Society just needs to change it's attitude that if it isn't normal, then it must be wrong.


Did you catch 'Autism is a World' on CNN? I didn't see it myself, but from the excerts I have seen in the promos up to the program, I can only imagine that the young woman whom it is about, would rather be free of the debilitating handicap, that makes it a constant struggle to pay attention to what goes on around her.

I am not trying to be cruel here, but to me it seems that parents of handicapped children, who have no hope of a cure (like deafness, cerebral palsy, autism etc.) often claim that their children doesn't need said cure. In my opinion that is a defence mechanism they use as not to fall into despair due to the fact that their children will not have the life they imagined for them. This is also tru for some adult deaf people. I cannot believe that in their heart of hearts, deaf people would not rather be hearing or that autistic people would not rather be without autism and able to live a life, not dependent on others.

I myself is vision impared (correctible by glasses og contact lenses) but I would rather be without. I am also schizotypal-psychotic and believe you me, I would rather be without.

Ummm, terribly sorry to impose here, but just to ask the author of the thread - are you actually Autistic yourself? I mean absolutely no disrespect - I just wondered, to see if this was a personal view because you are affected, or just because its an issue you feel passionately about.

Again, in no way is this meant to offend anyone

I believe that it is a very clever troll who doesn't stoop to making inflamatory statements ;) (and I apologize if I am wrong)

I cannot believe that in their heart of hearts, deaf people would not rather be hearing or that autistic people would not rather be without autism and able to live a life, not dependent on others.

Eeeehm... Bill Gates and Albert Einstein are both said to be people with asperger syndrome - a higher form of autism. As are most stereotypical scientists that can get completely absorbed by their work. I daresay they are not dependent upon others.

If they would have been happier without the handicap is of course a silly question. They would not have been the same person. Same is true of every "handicap" one is born with. Maybe people without handicaps are in general happier than people with them - but that doesn't necessarily mean that taking away a handicap will make a person happier.

Eeeehm... Bill Gates and Albert Einstein are both said to be people with asperger syndrome - a higher form of autism. As are most stereotypical scientists that can get completely absorbed by their work. I daresay they are not dependent upon others.

If they would have been happier without the handicap is of course a silly question. They would not have been the same person. Same is true of every "handicap" one is born with.
Dan Akroyd has Asperger's too.

With respect, Alexonium, what do you mean by "shit has hit the fan"?

As for autism, no, you're right, it's not going to be cured any time in the next few weeks. If you keep this up you will die. Which means if it's a cure you want to see, you're not going about it the right way.

Alexonium, there's plenty even the ordinary person can do for any cause. If you feel that strongly then ring an autism charity and do volunteer work for them. Send press releases when they have events, participate, make your cause known to the wider audience. Starving yourself to death as publicity for a goal you cannot speed up is not the right way. It's not like anyone's hiding the cure, not like hunger-striking to have prisoners released or help negotiations, because it's nobody's decision to cure autism. You could just let us know, and die quietly, or go to the local press, the national press, to highlight your cause - and the state doctors will come for you, section you and force-feed you for your own safety. Alexonium, really, this is not the best way to highlight a cause.

If you want to live to see a cure, then live to help bring about that "cure". Whatever its nature. Be it better quality of life, be it a better medical understanding, be it psychological training to help autistic people function better in society, whatever it is, help it happen.

Ummm, terribly sorry to impose here, but just to ask the author of the thread - are you actually Autistic yourself? I mean absolutely no disrespect - I just wondered, to see if this was a personal view because you are affected, or just because its an issue you feel passionately about.

Again, in no way is this meant to offend anyone

Yes. I was denied for benefits, and I cannot afford the attourney to appeal.

With respect, Alexonium, what do you mean by "shit has hit the fan"?

As for autism, no, you're right, it's not going to be cured any time in the next few weeks. If you keep this up you will die. Which means if it's a cure you want to see, you're not going about it the right way.

Alexonium, there's plenty even the ordinary person can do for any cause. If you feel that strongly then ring an autism charity and do volunteer work for them. Send press releases when they have events, participate, make your cause known to the wider audience. Starving yourself to death as publicity for a goal you cannot speed up is not the right way. It's not like anyone's hiding the cure, not like hunger-striking to have prisoners released or help negotiations, because it's nobody's decision to cure autism. You could just let us know, and die quietly, or go to the local press, the national press, to highlight your cause - and the state doctors will come for you, section you and force-feed you for your own safety. Alexonium, really, this is not the best way to highlight a cause.

If you want to live to see a cure, then live to help bring about that "cure". Whatever its nature. Be it better quality of life, be it a better medical understanding, be it psychological training to help autistic people function better in society, whatever it is, help it happen.

frankly, I was going to die either way eventually. I might as well be political about it. :p

Did you catch 'Autism is a World' on CNN? I didn't see it myself, but from the excerts I have seen in the promos up to the program, I can only imagine that the young woman whom it is about, would rather be free of the debilitating handicap, that makes it a constant struggle to pay attention to what goes on around her.

I am not trying to be cruel here, but to me it seems that parents of handicapped children, who have no hope of a cure (like deafness, cerebral palsy, autism etc.) often claim that their children doesn't need said cure. In my opinion that is a defence mechanism they use as not to fall into despair due to the fact that their children will not have the life they imagined for them. This is also tru for some adult deaf people. I cannot believe that in their heart of hearts, deaf people would not rather be hearing or that autistic people would not rather be without autism and able to live a life, not dependent on others.

I myself is vision impared (correctible by glasses og contact lenses) but I would rather be without. I am also schizotypal-psychotic and believe you me, I would rather be without.
I don't think your being cruel, it's your opinion and that's ok.

No one knows what autism really is. No one knows if it's caused by mercury in immunization shots, or if it's caused by doctor's mistakes during childbirth or any other of the various adled brained ideas that have surfaced (peanut butter? I mean come on). As far as we know, it isn't caused by anything, it simply is.

If there were a cure for the autism spectra, the world would be much duller place.
Famous people with autistic or asperger traits:
Jane Austen
Alexander Graham Bell
Beethoven
Mozart
HP Lovecraft
Friedrich Nietzche
Tesla
Van Gogh
http://www.geocities.com/richardg_uk/famousac.html

Well, shit has hit the fan, and I know autism isn't going to get cured in the near future. I'm just going to starve to death.

As you idiots toil on earth, remember that there is a way out.

If you do this then you will be remembered as someone who went insane and died pointlessly. Autism wont be cured soon, and you dying isn't going to speed up the process. However, you can volunteer for campaings to raise funds and awareness. Now isn't that better than a slow and futile death.

Eeeehm... Bill Gates and Albert Einstein are both said to be people with asperger syndrome - a higher form of autism.


There is a reason that it has a seperate name from autism, that is to seperate if from autism, it is one of five Pervasive Developmental Disorders (PDD) (source: Autism Society of America).

Yes, Autism is a spectrum disorder, there are varying degrees of severity.

This is what Autism Society of America has to say about autism

Every person with autism is an individual, and like all individuals, has a unique personality and combination of characteristics. Some individuals mildly affected may exhibit only slight delays in language and greater challenges with social interactions. The person may have difficulty initiating and/or maintaining a conversation. Communication is often described as talking at others (for example, monologue on a favorite subject that continues despite attempts by others to interject comments).

People with autism process and respond to information in unique ways. In some cases, aggressive and/or self-injurious behavior may be present. Persons with autism may also exhibit some of the following traits.

Insistence on sameness; resistance to change

Difficulty in expressing needs; uses gestures or pointing instead of words

Repeating words or phrases in place of normal, responsive language

Laughing, crying, showing distress for reasons not apparent to others

Prefers to be alone; aloof manner

Tantrums

Difficulty in mixing with others

May not want to cuddle or be cuddled

Little or no eye contact

Unresponsive to normal teaching methods

Sustained odd play

Spins objects

Inappropriate attachments to objects

Apparent over-sensitivity or under-sensitivity to pain

No real fears of danger

Noticeable physical over-activity or extreme under-activity

Uneven gross/fine motor skills

Not responsive to verbal cues; acts as if deaf although hearing tests in normal range.

(edit: not the full text, go to Autism Society of America (http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer) for the full text)


Any one of these symptomes, even at a less severe degree, will still make it more difficult for an autist to function in society and I will claim that that is not purely because society does not understand autism. Even if everybody were an autism expert.


So please don't quote me aspergers when discussing autism, it is part of, but seperate. Furthermore it is different because it is not so socially debilitating.

I will though give you that not all autist need help to lead their lives, and that indeed many famous people have had autism or aspbergers, but many does and even the ones that doesn't would benefit from not having the disease.

(as with everything not quoted from sourse) IMO

There is a reason that it has a seperate name from autism, that is to seperate if from autism. Yes, Autism is a spectrum disorder, there are varying degrees of severity.

This is what Autism Society of America has to say about autism

Every person with autism is an individual, and like all individuals, has a unique personality and combination of characteristics. Some individuals mildly affected may exhibit only slight delays in language and greater challenges with social interactions. The person may have difficulty initiating and/or maintaining a conversation. Communication is often described as talking at others (for example, monologue on a favorite subject that continues despite attempts by others to interject comments).

People with autism process and respond to information in unique ways. In some cases, aggressive and/or self-injurious behavior may be present. Persons with autism may also exhibit some of the following traits.

Insistence on sameness; resistance to change

Difficulty in expressing needs; uses gestures or pointing instead of words

Repeating words or phrases in place of normal, responsive language

Laughing, crying, showing distress for reasons not apparent to others

Prefers to be alone; aloof manner

Tantrums

Difficulty in mixing with others

May not want to cuddle or be cuddled

Little or no eye contact

Unresponsive to normal teaching methods

Sustained odd play

Spins objects

Inappropriate attachments to objects

Apparent over-sensitivity or under-sensitivity to pain

No real fears of danger

Noticeable physical over-activity or extreme under-activity

Uneven gross/fine motor skills

Not responsive to verbal cues; acts as if deaf although hearing tests in normal range.

Any one of these symptomes, even at a less severe degree, will still make it more difficult for an autist to function in society and I will claim that that is not purely because society does not understand autism. Even if everybody were an autism expert.


So please don't quote me aspergers when discussing autism, it is part of, but seperate. Furthermore it is different because it is not so socially debilitating.

I will though give you that not all autist need help to lead their lives, and that indeed many famous people have had autism or aspbergers, but many does and even the ones that doesn't would benefit from not having the disease.

(as with everything not quoted from sourse) IMO
I fit the majority of those symptoms. I don't feel autistic though.

I fit the majority of those symptoms. I don't feel autistic though.


You might just be

I have the same syndrome as Bill Gates.

...

I feel dirty.

You might just be
That would suck.

I don't think your being cruel, it's your opinion and that's ok.

No one knows what autism really is. No one knows if it's caused by mercury in immunization shots, or if it's caused by doctor's mistakes during childbirth or any other of the various adled brained ideas that have surfaced (peanut butter? I mean come on). As far as we know, it isn't caused by anything, it simply is.

If there were a cure for the autism spectra, the world would be much duller place.
Famous people with autistic or asperger traits:
Jane Austen
Alexander Graham Bell
Beethoven
Mozart
HP Lovecraft
Friedrich Nietzche
Tesla
Van Gogh
http://www.geocities.com/richardg_uk/famousac.html


Hey those are the same people they claim have manic depression or [fill in the mental disorder here too.]

Weren't they all gay as well?

Weren't they all gay as well?

No. Friedrich Nietzche slept with his sister, if I remember right.

No. Friedrich Nietzche slept with his sister, if I remember right.

I wish philosophers would use their powers for good!!

http://www.otterbein.edu/home/fac/ANDPMLLS/nonsequitur.gif

I wish philosophers would use their powers for good!!

http://www.otterbein.edu/home/fac/ANDPMLLS/nonsequitur.gif

I've never liked philosophers, ever since Aristotle set science back 2000 years. Or was it another one?

I've never liked philosophers, ever since Aristotle set science back 2000 years. Or was it another one?

It was another one. Aristotle invented a primitive version of what we now know to be the Scientific Method. I don't know who you're thinking of, but that statement does sound like a wee smidgin of an oversimplification. Besides, you're more likely thinking of a theologian, if you're referring to the West.

Well, good luck on your chosen option dude.

Personally, as an aspy I can say that I'd much rather use my curse to abuse the system than leave it - they hand out free laptops in the UK - but I will agree that you have a point. I know for sure I'd rather have been born without this massive psycho-neural clusterfuck that passes for my mind.

Why is everyone here so concerned over the fake and empty threat of someone who was probably eating while they typed this post?

Nevertheless, the suggestion people like me need to be cured is nothing short of an insult.

Yes. I was denied for benefits, and I cannot afford the attourney to appeal.

Um, I'm not sure what benefits you are referring to, but you should be able to get legal assistance to get said benefits.

If you are referring to SSI or SSDI, there are specific programs to pay for representation.

Do you need help finding assistance?

Nevertheless, the suggestion people like me need to be cured is nothing short of an insult.


I take it you are referring to my post. I did not state that you NEED to be cured. I just stated that I cannot believe that in their heart of hearts, deaf people would not rather be hearing or that autistic people would not rather be without autism and able to live a life, not dependent on others.

here referring to severe autism.

and I will though give you that not all autist need help to lead their lives, and that indeed many famous people have had autism or aspbergers, but many does and even the ones that doesn't would benefit from not having the disease.

I also believe that people who say they don't do so due to the fact that it's easier to accept what cannot be changed than to live with a regret as to their handicap. And if that makes you generally happy with your existance, then I am happy for you.

To reiterate, I do net believe that you need to be cured, I do believe, though, that it would improve your quality of life.

Lastly I have to ask who people like you are? I take it you mean people with autism, but I could be wrong.