im tired of all this, ALL THIS I TELL YOU!
Fugomizu
28-05-2005, 05:05
I can no longer classify myself politically, i can no longer call myself a democrat or a republican or a libertarian or what have you. These party affiliations all polarize and draw attention away from what matters and places it on the petty and corporeal.
Ive never been very religious, but all this useless posturing has to stop.
We are all much too meddlesome in one anothers businesses to see the real issues at hand here. America is far too huge to be governed proplerly. For the love of logic, it stretches from sea to shining sea! The capital is on on a coast!! My gosh how retarted is that! We have to pull back from all of our petty dilemmas and grow more introspective if we hope to get anywhere.
I figure that society should never have evolved past the size of a city state, that is governable!
Nay, i challenge John Locke's social contract theory of gvt, i am for absolute anarchy and pure self government. You ask me if humanity is a solitary or pack creature and i tell you, it matters not for i long for solitude! No responsibility no worries no cares other than for your own personal ones!
Take for example the battle of the religions. All of these little sects developed independent of one another in tiny valleys or countries and therefore grew very egocentric. This was fine until commerce made it necessary for different groups to meet in the newly formed cities, this creates conflict! The various religions were never meant to meet, or if they did meet they cannot coexist for long, one must go or they must blend. Ideally, now that humanity is all in contact and there is no "out there group" we would blend and become one or abandon all the old ones and forge a unified new one, but neither is happening, only damn missionaries walking around trying to convert everyone to their ways!!
Fugomizu
28-05-2005, 05:07
so sorry for the rant, its just that the silliness gets to me sometimes.
Fugomizu
28-05-2005, 05:15
SEE SEE what i mean, just read that how liberals think thing! its rife with what im talking about
okay, this is how i function and believe, i believe that we shouldnt have vaccines because they weaken the human race!
call me an asshole but if you cant survive chicken pox (for which there is a vaccine now) you shouldnt be procreating
second, we should take care of ourselves! first and foremost! When i was a kid i saw a family with like 12 kids and they were dirt poor and i told my mom "well, they get what they deserve, they should have invested in a condom" this shocked her okay okay! but its how i feel.
On the other hand, i wish religious peoples would get off their high horse and realize that morality is not static and that every religion is equally retarded and enlightened at the same time, its all in how you take it in!!
so there, thats how it is, i hold extreme views on both the left and the right, but basically, i believe that we should all just be left alone!
They made a vaccine for chicken pox? Don't these doctors have something better to do?
Winter Blood
28-05-2005, 05:23
... so there, thats how it is, i hold extreme views on both the left and the right, but basically, i believe that we should all just be left alone!
So if you think everybody should be left alone, why are you here on a forum looking for the support of other people instead of just staying alone somewhere?
Farrisland
28-05-2005, 05:24
Screw the poor! Who do they think they are, wanting help from us fortunate ones?!? It's just tough sometimes. And public education? Gimme a break. Teach your own dumbass children. And social security? Invest, dummy! Let's do away with it all. Some people are just too unlucky. I'd like to see more chaos in the streets, frankly.
(By the way, that was my terrible sense of humor if you didn't already get it.)
DOUBLE THE FIST
28-05-2005, 05:28
okay, this is how i function and believe, i believe that we shouldnt have vaccines because they weaken the human race!
Um, you have no idea about how vaccines work, do you?
Vaccines actually Strengthen the human race. Effectively all it does is expose your immune system to key proteins that make up the virus, allowing the immune system to recognise and produce antibodies for it. After this first (primary) immune response, the immune system is now able to "remember" that particular virus, in the form of T-memory cells (?).
So when you are then actually infected with the real virus, the secondary immune response is much stronger and faster, allowing your body to combat and overcome the virus far quicker, often to a point where you barely notice you had the virus.
Believe me, vaccines are a good thing. :rolleyes:
Fugomizu
28-05-2005, 05:28
So if you think everybody should be left alone, why are you here on a forum looking for the support of other people instead of just staying alone somewhere?
i must admit, you got me there...
all i can say is
"you must be the change that you want to see in the world"
Ghandi
I suppose i...hmmm...
New Exodus
28-05-2005, 05:32
An interesting outlook, but it is interaction, structured societies, moral systems (e.g. religions), commerce, medicine, and the like that drive history. Anarchy is not an answer to making the world a better place, but to keeping the world in a semi-static position. Without these aspects of Humanity's progress, you and I most likely would not be alive today.
Winter Blood
28-05-2005, 05:33
i must admit, you got me there...
all i can say is
"you must be the change that you want to see in the world"
Ghandi
I suppose i...hmmm...
But isn't changing the world the opposite of leaving everybody alone and being left alone? Sorry, it just seems to me like your views and posting on a forum about them oppose each other is all.
Fugomizu
28-05-2005, 05:33
Um, you have no idea about how vaccines work, do you?
Vaccines actually Strengthen the human race. Effectively all it does is expose your immune system to key proteins that make up the virus, allowing the immune system to recognise and produce antibodies for it. After this first (primary) immune response, the immune system is now able to "remember" that particular virus, in the form of T-memory cells (?).
So when you are then actually infected with the real virus, the secondary immune response is much stronger and faster, allowing your body to combat and overcome the virus far quicker, often to a point where you barely notice you had the virus.
Believe me, vaccines are a good thing. :rolleyes:
No, they weaken it because sure the t cells have a memory for that person but they are still passing on the inherent inability to naturally fight it off to the next generation who will again need the vaccine, its making us dependent on the vaccines. If we outlawed vaccines and let nature run its course than the cream of the crop will rise to the surface instead of the gene pool being flooded by artificially inoculated people being kept afloat by an injection
DOUBLE THE FIST
28-05-2005, 05:34
call me an asshole but if you cant survive chicken pox (for which there is a vaccine now) you shouldnt be procreating
Chicken Pox is a minor inconvenience when you're young, but it actually becomes life threatening as you grow older. If there's a vaccine for it, then all the better, because you DO NOT want to get chicken pox when you're 30+.
Also, you notice how people only ever get chicken pox once in their lives? That would be that T-memory cell thing again. :D
Oh, yeah, screw healthcare, who REALLY needs that life-saving medicine? And shoes, those are SO overrrated. Darn you people with no homes, stop complaining and get a job, and don't even think of asking me for a handout as I walk by in my Gucci sunglasses and 3-peice Armani suit.
And about the whole 'extreme views on left and right' just proves the fact that the extreme fascists or communists arn't so different after all. It all comes full circle.
Fugomizu
28-05-2005, 05:38
But isn't changing the world the opposite of leaving everybody alone and being left alone? Sorry, it just seems to me like your views and posting on a forum about them oppose each other is all.
*scurries away to alaskan wilderness and destroys computer*
DOUBLE THE FIST
28-05-2005, 05:39
No, they weaken it because sure the t cells have a memory for that person but they are still passing on the inherent inability to naturally fight it off to the next generation
*sigh*
Go read an immunogenetics book.
Fugomizu
28-05-2005, 05:42
Chicken Pox is a minor inconvenience when you're young, but it actually becomes life threatening as you grow older. If there's a vaccine for it, then all the better, because you DO NOT want to get chicken pox when you're 30+.
Also, you notice how people only ever get chicken pox once in their lives? That would be that T-memory cell thing again. :D
exactly, when im arguing this point i say that to my friends "you all had it, and now youve proven that you have what it takes to survive it on your own sans innoculation" and they agree. It all boils down to let natural selection take its course, you cant be a supporter of evolution science and a socialist bleeding heart at the same time, everyone seems to forget that the other half of darwins work was on how its every species for itself and the survival of the fittest, like Nietzche said "what doesnt kill me makes me stronger"
BE THE UBERMENSCH!!!!!
Chaos Experiment
28-05-2005, 05:58
exactly, when im arguing this point i say that to my friends "you all had it, and now youve proven that you have what it takes to survive it on your own sans innoculation" and they agree. It all boils down to let natural selection take its course, you cant be a supporter of evolution science and a socialist bleeding heart at the same time, everyone seems to forget that the other half of darwins work was on how its every species for itself and the survival of the fittest, like Nietzche said "what doesnt kill me makes me stronger"
BE THE UBERMENSCH!!!!!
Feeling the science behind natural selection as the mechanism for evolution which is the source of modern biodiversity is solid =/= social darwinism.
Cannot think of a name
28-05-2005, 06:40
This is kinda all over the place, so I'll just put what came to my mind reading it.
I agree that a lot of our problems stem from the fact that we are not wired to work in societies this big. Anthropology (sorry, from musty old books so I can't provide a link-as with anything, it's up for debate) seems to suggest that we really level out and being able to concieve of @150 people at a time effectively. After that it becomes abstraction, and it's easier to dismiss an abstraction.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems as of late that the parties, and this is both of them, don't tell us what they are about anymore-but rather spend all thier time telling us what the other party wants to do. Pretty fuckin' irratating if you ask me.
If I had a choice of having chicken pox or getting a shot, I'll take shot. And I hate shots.
Selenadom
28-05-2005, 06:52
We need more people! of course we need to vaccinate the population! with the current population downsizing, we need as many of these pathetic people as we can get, to work as our epsilon minus semi morons (brave new world aldous huxley reference haha) especially with all of our baby boomers dying off or reaching the age where they cannot remember where they put the car keys.