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Psychiatrist Blows The Lid On Antidepressants

Parthonia
28-05-2005, 02:00
Psychiatrist Blows The Lid On Antidepressants
By Jon Rappoport
NoMoreFakeNews.com
5-27-5

For the past year, I've been receiving communications from a practicing American psychiatrist, who has an office in the southeastern US. He sees patients privately and also works at a large hospital. Increasingly, this man has been expressing doubts about the drugs he has been prescribing.
Now, he has blown the lid off his own profession, and it appears he is ready to switch careers or become an alternative practitioner.
Here is an excerpt from our recent conversation:

Q: Why do you doubt the drugs?
A: They're toxic and injurious.

Q: Which ones?
A: All of them.

Q: And in particular?
A: The antidepressants. Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, and so on. They are not showing, on balance, good results, and patients have been experiencing adverse effects.

Q: Such as?
A: Sleeplessness, nightmares, erratic behavior, highs and lows, crashes, attempts to commit suicide, exacerbated depression, violence, dramatic personality changes.

Q: Why do you think this is happening?
A: To be honest, I don't know. But my sense is, in general, that the drugs interfere in unpredictable ways with various neurotransmitter systems. I also believe they can work extreme changes in blood sugar levels and electrolyte levels. You know, it's not hard to create these effects with chemicals. The body is not able to integrate them in its normal functioning. I would compare it to suddenly setting up all sorts of roadblocks and detours and forced lane changes on a busy highway. You will get big trouble.

Q: Have you tried to communicate your concerns to colleagues and medical groups?
A: For a short time, I did. But I was given the cold shoulder. I got the distinct feeling I was being treated like some wayward child who had his facts all wrong.

Q: Who do you blame for this drugging catastrophe?
A: At the moment, everybody. The doctors, the drug companies, the FDA, the psychiatric teaching institutions, even the press. And at some point, patients are going to have to take responsibility and not follow the orders of their doctors.

Q: Do you believe that doctors should cut back and give the drugs to some people and not others?
A: That sounds good, but there is no way to know what effects the drugs will cause in any given individual, especially as time passes. Even in the short term, I have seen some frightening things.

Q: Do you believe the profession of psychiatry has made some kind of overarching deal with the drug companies?
A: Yes. The drug companies are everywhere. They stick their noses into everyone's business.

Q: What lies about the drugs have you had to purge from your own mind?
A: The main one is that they're some kind of miracle breakthrough. Another one is that I can rely on the judgments and certifications of the FDA. We're playing Russian Roulette out here. It's a very dangerous situation.

Q: Do you believe that some of the school shootings have resulted from children being on the antidepressants?
A: I didn't, until one day a sixteen-year-old patient of mine showed up for his appointment with a 9mm hand gun. Then I began to comb back through reports on a bunch of those shootings. I can tell you, it focuses the mind to see a young patient sitting across from you---you've put him on an antidepressant and now he's talking about "a new day" and he takes the gun out of his pocket and lays it on a table next to him by the Kleenex. You think to yourself, "I may have created a killer and his first victim could be me." People want to outlaw all guns. I'd start with the drugs.

Q: How about the diagnosis of depression itself?
A: I've come to realize that you can't do an interview with a patient and then come out with a shorthand assessment. It's wrong. It reduces all sorts of problems down to a label, and then you have your official gateway into the drugs.

Q: Your colleagues think you're over-reacting?
A: I think I'm under-reacting. I think we have an epidemic on our hands, but it has nothing to do with mental disorders. It has to do with the chemicals we're facilitating.

Q: This boy with the gun---were you able to talk him down?
A: I spent two hours with him that day. I told him he was having a reaction to the drug. At first, it made no sense to him. He was on a manic sort of ride. That really scared me---that I couldn't make him see what was happening to him. He was in the middle of an episode and he couldn't stand outside it. Finally, he eased up a little. He began to weep in my office. It wasn't really crying. Tears just ran down his cheeks while he was talking. He didn't seem to notice them. He had almost stopped being human. He was a...creature. He was on a mission of some kind. His view of the world had totally changed. In his mind set, destruction was the only course of action.

Q: And then?
A: He calmed down a little. I was afraid to ask him for the gun. He just picked it up and put it back in his pocket. After he left, I called his mother. She went home from her job and met him. I had asked her to call the police but she wouldn't. Later, she told me she sat and talked with him for a long time and then he handed over the gun. It was a very tense situation. I had her remove the bottle of pills from her medicine cabinet. Then I had to follow up. I weaned him slowly from the drug. It took two months. He finally sort of returned to being the person he was. Even then I wasn't sure he'd be okay. He was definitely addicted to the drug. Luckily, I didn't cut him off suddenly. He might have killed people during the withdrawal cycle.

Q: Did you continue to see this boy as a patient?
A: I did a nutritional assessment with the help of a doctor who is very good with that. We found the boy was having strange reactions to certain soft drinks that have speed-type boosters in them. We gradually weaned him off them. Then we discovered he was reacting to dyes and other chemicals in junk food. So we had to change his diet. That wasn't easy.

Q: He was addicted in several ways to chemicals.
A: That's right. There was peer pressure for him to keep eating junk. All his friends did. They called him weird for going off the food they were eating every day. Finally, I discovered that, five years before I saw him, he'd been on Ritalin for a year. You know, for ADHD. He'd been driven into depression by that. He basically felt, at eleven, that his life was over. All paths and interests were closed to him.

Q: How is he now?
A: Much better. But he's not all the way back.

Q: Do you think there is permanent brain damage?
A: I don't know. He's now living outside the US with his father. I get reports once in awhile.

Q: How does he feel about his own experience?
A: He wants it to be an example to other families.

Q: You didn't go into medicine to deal with this.
A: No. In school, my ideals were high. But I allowed myself to be led down the garden path. I fell for the sales pitch. I'm telling you, this is not a good situation. We are a society on the brink. Something has to be done.

Q: How do you feel about Bush's mental health screening program for all children?
A: All in all, it may turn out to be the worst thing he's done as president. It's just a tip of his hat to his pharmaceutical supporters. But the consequences---if this plan gets rolling---will be devastating.

Q: Is there some underlying principle at work here? Some paradigm that everyone is accepting that is putting us into a bad situation?
A: You know the answer to that. It's the combination of easy diagnosis plus the drug fix. The pill craze for everything. Take a drug and everything will work out. I see it as the classic street-drug promotion. Feel good. Take this drug and you'll feel different and better. Combine that with the basic immaturity of most people and you have the interlock. Why work out your problems and strive to have the life you want when you can arrive at the best destination with a pill? I'd take this a step further. If you stacked up all the tranquilizers and antidepressants, for adults, next to, say, marijuana, as a way of dealing with stress, I'd say that a very modest amount of a mild marijuana would be more successful than all those other drugs at the levels they're normally prescribed. If I were forced to recommend one or the other, I'd go with the marijuana. And I'd say the drug companies know this. Which is one reason why, in the US, the enforcement on marijuana has been stepping up. But again, you're always dealing with an individual. Each person is different. I've seen people who react very badly to pot. It affects them like a psychedelic.

Q: You're saying the science behind the antidepressants is false.
A: Absolutely. Judging by the effects of the drugs, it has to be. It may sound good and proper. All the right words are used. But I don't care about that anymore. I go by results. My eyes have been opened.

Q: Then why are the drug companies pushing these drugs?
A: I'm not an expert to speak to about that. Certainly there is the profit motive. But I think there is also the myth of progress.

Q: What do you mean?
A: That myth states that technology must keep making advances. It's the legend of forward motion. If technology is to be seen as good, it has to keep turning out better advances---otherwise something is wrong. And there can't be anything wrong.

Q: It's like a hectic race.
A: Yes. If you stop, you might fall down. Secrets might be exposed. Shortcomings might show up. So you have to keep pushing. You have to keep saying you're doing better and better. I'm sure you can see where this gets you. You make new mistakes to cover up old mistakes. You become careless. You lie. You hire promotion people to tout your work. You keep the whole thing rolling forward, no matter what. That's where we are.

Q: And you were carried on that wave.
A: For many years. But now I've stopped.

Q: Is it uncomfortable?
A: Not so much anymore. But at first I was very upset and angry. I was blaming everyone but myself. I felt like I was in chains, that my whole education and career were at stake. And I was my career. What else did I have? Getting off the boat was quite difficult. I had every advantage this society has to offer. I was---

Q: The expert.
A: Yes. That's a powerful feeling. People come to you with questions and you have the answers. If you don't, then you're thrown down in the pit with everyone else. Part of being a doctor is being above the pit, out of the problem. You're the solution. You don't want to fall. And the only thing that keeps you from falling is what you've learned. Your knowledge. When you see that that's based on lies, you don't know what to do. It's like being a priest and realizing that everyone gets to the far shore by his own means. You don't want to let go of the doctrine that put you on the pulpit.

Q: So what would a new paradigm look like?
A: For mental health? We have to get rid of all the old classsifications and disorders. We have to let all that sink into oblivion. That was wrong. That was largely fantasy.

Q: It was a story.
A: We told it, and now we have to stop telling it. Because we've ended up intervening in people's lives in a very pernicious way.

Q: Part of the story necessitated that kind of intervention.
A: Yes. And, not to take myself off the hook, but people want that kind of story, as you say. They want that "expert story." They want someone else to come in and tell them what to do and what to think and what drug to take.

Q: Why do you think that is?
A: Because people have taken the easy path. They have opted for what I would call a flat version of reality. If they started adding dimensions on their own---

Q: They would be forced to tell their own story.
A: In the terms you're using, yes. That's what would happen.

Q: And how would society look then?
A: Much different. Much more risky, perhaps, but much more alive. Psychology and psychiatry don't allow for that kind of outcome. All mental disorders are constructs. They're named by committees, as I'm sure you know. They're a form of centralized pattern. In this context, the word "shrink" is very appropriate. That's what we've been doing. Shrinking down the perception of what reality and the mind are all about.

Q: Can you imagine what would happen if the lid were taken off?
A: I work with that idea every day now.

Q: And how does it look?
A: More and more appealing.

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Alien Born
28-05-2005, 02:05
"Which ones? - All of them"
And then he goes on to name just three.

There are plenty of people in this world who have benefitted enormously from anti-depressants. Anyone born with a seratonin deficiency for example. To generalise this way is ridiculous and dangerous.

Each individual case should be treated as an individual case. They may have been excessive overprescription of the three drugs named, but not all users of these will have worthwhile lives without them.
Niccolo Medici
28-05-2005, 02:40
Every person I've ever known that was on anti-depressants turned suicidal within 3 months. I've lost 3 friends to suicide, 2 of which were on the drugs, and 1 had been on them and was trying to quit.

I have seen a grand total of 1 person recover somewhat from her condition while taking the drugs. The fact that she also had a network of supportive friends to take care of her, get her a good job, and help her through her own attacks of suicidal thoughts didn't hurt either.

Everything in my personal experience has shown that these drugs do more harm than good. I've seen them do horrible things to people who were already in trouble. I don't trust them, period.
The Cat-Tribe
28-05-2005, 03:07
This is utter and complete bullshit.

Assuming the anonymous psychiatrist really exists and has these opinions, so?

He is an idiot. Every year someone graduates at the bottom of their class from medical school.

If there really is such a crisis and the doctor feels so strongly about it, why is he anonymous?

Why "report" his findings anonymously through an obscure website?

Q: Do you believe that doctors should cut back and give the drugs to some people and not others?

A: That sounds good, but there is no way to know what effects the drugs will cause in any given individual, especially as time passes. Even in the short term, I have seen some frightening things.

Um. There are such things as clinical trials.

And scores of peer-reviewed studies.

Not to mention any decent practitioner closely monitors a patient, does blood tests, etc.

Particulary for the drugs he mentioned which have been around for a long time, there is copious evidence of the effects.

Q: Who do you blame for this drugging catastrophe?
A: At the moment, everybody. The doctors, the drug companies, the FDA, the psychiatric teaching institutions, even the press. And at some point, patients are going to have to take responsibility and not follow the orders of their doctors.

Ah. A vast conspiracy involving everybody.

Is the good doctor familiar with "paranoia"?


Q: Have you tried to communicate your concerns to colleagues and medical groups?
A: For a short time, I did. But I was given the cold shoulder. I got the distinct feeling I was being treated like some wayward child who had his facts all wrong.

As you should have been. Assume you exist, this is an apt description.

This is simply inane propaganda.
The Cat-Tribe
28-05-2005, 03:10
Every person I've ever known that was on anti-depressants turned suicidal within 3 months. I've lost 3 friends to suicide, 2 of which were on the drugs, and 1 had been on them and was trying to quit.

I have seen a grand total of 1 person recover somewhat from her condition while taking the drugs. The fact that she also had a network of supportive friends to take care of her, get her a good job, and help her through her own attacks of suicidal thoughts didn't hurt either.

Everything in my personal experience has shown that these drugs do more harm than good. I've seen them do horrible things to people who were already in trouble. I don't trust them, period.

I'll assume your reports are accurate.

Isn't it likely these people were all depressed and suicidal before they were but on anti-depressants?

That is, after all, why one takes anti-depressants in the first place.

Methinks you are blaming the trees for the forest fire.
Armandian Cheese
28-05-2005, 03:14
It is true that kids are overprescribed and all, but your conspiracy theories like yours are way off the mark. In moderation and when applied correctly, some psychiatral drugs can save lives.
Bonferoni
28-05-2005, 03:15
Well, when someone is going on medication for an antidepressent, they are (typically for unipolar depression) in a state where they don't get out of bed and really don't have the energy or motivation to do much of anything...the antidepressent starts to do its thing (which depends on if it is a MAOI, SSRI, or trycyclic) the person starts to get more energy and motivation...but they aren't happy per se...they would get there in time, but some are still in the frame of mind where suicide seems like a good solution and now they have the energy and motivation to carry the act out, whereas before, their depression was so crippling, they couldn't even do that.
Which is why ANYONE who has suicidal thoughts that goes on antidepressents should be closely watched...and NO ONE should go on meds without also having therapy as well...meds for mental illnesses only take away the symptoms, not the cause of the problem, which lies somewhere in the person's mind.
Niccolo Medici
28-05-2005, 03:26
I'll assume your reports are accurate.

Isn't it likely these people were all depressed and suicidal before they were but on anti-depressants?

That is, after all, why one takes anti-depressants in the first place.

Methinks you are blaming the trees for the forest fire.

I'll forget for the moment that you are accusing the victim of the crime, I'll admit your doing so angers me greatly. Please be a touch less callous in the future.

To answer your question, no. They were not. Many of them said that the drugs had been the cause of their suicidal thoughts, that the thoughts began as they took the drugs and stopped when they quit. The one who commited suicide while off the drugs was going through withdrawl.

One can be depressed, moody, or erratic and not be suicidal. These drugs are over-perscribed, or misperscribed, whatever. They have effects on human beings that can accurately be described as "random"; laughing while crying, sudden outbursts of anger, intense feelings of depression or elation without cause. None of these symptoms had occurred before or after the person was on the medication.

Does that answer your question? These drugs take people who are depressed over the loss of a parent and simply f*ck with their heads. I find it amazing that these drugs supposedly work at all, we don't know that much about the inner working of the brain to begin with, and yet we can give out drugs that "fix" them? I'm not sure my skeptisim can accept that readily.
The Black Forrest
28-05-2005, 03:36
Hey Like Tom Cruise says. Women only need to take vitamins to deal with postpardum.....
Bonferoni
28-05-2005, 03:41
One can be depressed, moody, or erratic and not be suicidal. These drugs are over-perscribed, or misperscribed, whatever. They have effects on human beings that can accurately be described as "random"; laughing while crying, sudden outbursts of anger, intense feelings of depression or elation without cause. None of these symptoms had occurred before or after the person was on the medication.

Does that answer your question? These drugs take people who are depressed over the loss of a parent and simply f*ck with their heads. I find it amazing that these drugs supposedly work at all, we don't know that much about the inner working of the brain to begin with, and yet we can give out drugs that "fix" them? I'm not sure my skeptisim can accept that readily.

Drugs don't "fix" anything...well, they regualte neurotransmitters in the brain, but they aren't the solve all that some of the companies that manufacture them play them up to be. But not ALL people on antidepressents have these adverse side effects...I am an example of one of these people...I'm not denying that these medications have different effects on different people, just saying that's why there needs to be monitoring of the person's behavior both by the person and the perscriber, which should be a psychiatrist, not a physician...yes...overperscribed...psychiatrists are sometimes known to throw drugs at a problem and see if it works....but for some, rather, the majority, people who take antidepressents find the benefits outweighing the costs
Niccolo Medici
28-05-2005, 03:50
Drugs don't "fix" anything...well, they regualte neurotransmitters in the brain, but they aren't the solve all that some of the companies that manufacture them play them up to be. But not ALL people on antidepressents have these adverse side effects...I am an example of one of these people...I'm not denying that these medications have different effects on different people, just saying that's why there needs to be monitoring of the person's behavior both by the person and the perscriber, which should be a psychiatrist, not a physician...yes...overperscribed...psychiatrists are sometimes known to throw drugs at a problem and see if it works....but for some, rather, the majority, people who take antidepressents find the benefits outweighing the costs

Well, I am honestly glad to know they work for somebody. And yes, I do consider seriously the posibility that there are many people who I know that are on such drugs and simply haven't told me.

There are significant problems I feel, with both way the work and the way they are perscribed. I believe these drugs merit considerable more attention then they are getting, there needs to be a much more honest assesment of their effects, side-effects and uses.

I would like to think that they are only being used where they will likely be effective, but I see no signs of that being the case. I feel that these drugs are given out like sugar pills, thought to be harmless, quick-fixes, or band-aids for problems that need serious attention.

I question the medical authorities on this subject, I believe that this extremely heavy handed method of dealing with the chemistry of our brains is proving to be like chemotherapy. Sure, the inital problem might be aided, but you're effectively poisoning the body to help it. We need far better techniques for mental health than this.
The Cat-Tribe
28-05-2005, 03:54
I'll forget for the moment that you are accusing the victim of the crime, I'll admit your doing so angers me greatly. Please be a touch less callous in the future.

Accusing the victim of the crime of suicide of what? Being suicidal?

Yep. My guess is most people who commit suicide are suicidal. :rolleyes:

Nothing callous about my attitude.

I know people that have committed suicide.

I know people that have been saved by anti-depressants.

I know people that committed suicide after they stopped taking their anti-depressants.

I likely would not be alive if it were not for anti-depressants.

Disagreeing with you about the "menance" of medication that helps millions and millions of americans everyday is not being callous.

Don't try emotional blackmail on me on this issue.

And don't try to put your personal experience forward as an argument if you don't want it discussed.

I am truly sorry that you have lost friends to suicide. And I am sorry that others who have been depressed or suicidal.

But the conclusions you draw from your experience is (a) counter to those I draw from mine and (b) counter to well-established medical science.

"We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it - and stop there; lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again - and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore. "
--Mark Twain

To answer your question, no. They were not. Many of them said that the drugs had been the cause of their suicidal thoughts, that the thoughts began as they took the drugs and stopped when they quit. The one who commited suicide while off the drugs was going through withdrawl.

If I comment, you will take offense. So, I won't.

One can be depressed, moody, or erratic and not be suicidal.

Yes.

Although clinical depression is different from being, moody or erratic.

Suicidal thoughts are a common symptom of clinical depression.

These drugs are over-perscribed, or misperscribed, whatever.

Sometimes. Sure. To a degree.

As are almost all medicines, including aspirin and tylenol.

They are also vastly under-prescribed.

They have effects on human beings that can accurately be described as "random"; laughing while crying, sudden outbursts of anger, intense feelings of depression or elation without cause. None of these symptoms had occurred before or after the person was on the medication.

Of course, all of those "random" things can be symptoms of depression or manic-depression.

Nonetheless, they are also possible side effects of some anti-depressants.

All medications -- including all "natural" or homeopathic medicines -- have side effects.

See Mark Twain's cat.

Does that answer your question? These drugs take people who are depressed over the loss of a parent and simply f*ck with their heads.

1. Actually, bereavement is supposed to be counter-indicator of depression. One should not be prescribed these medications for normal bereavement.

2. Methinks you have the lay idea of "depression" confused with clinical depression.

3. These drugs help millions of people everyday. Reports of serious side-effects like you report are very uncommon.

Meow.

I find it amazing that these drugs supposedly work at all, we don't know that much about the inner working of the brain to begin with, and yet we can give out drugs that "fix" them? I'm not sure my skeptisim can accept that readily.

Your skepticism is reasonable given what you have experienced.

Again, I am sorry for those experiences.

But a little research would show that these drugs do far, far more good than harm.

EDIT: It occurs to me: what age were these friends? Research has shown that some anti-depressants may increase suicidal thoughts and actions in about 1 out of 50 people 18 years or younger. THIS IS NOT TRUE WITH ADULTS.

Anyone prescribed an antidepressant should be observed closely for clinical worsening, suicidality, or unusual changes in behavior. Any such signs should be immediately reported to their health care provider.
Castle Creek
28-05-2005, 03:57
ho hum
The Downmarching Void
28-05-2005, 06:35
I have to disagree. Part of the problem is that not every medication works for every person. Truly, there is no quick fix. But Antidepresants DO help people. I tried (very strenuosly) to commit suicde after I'd been prescribed Zoloft. I'd only been on it for a month, however, and had been misdiagnosed to boot. I'm Bipolar and while the Lithium helps enormously, it leaves me in a sort of null state emotionaly and creatively. I take a very small dose of Zoloft to counteract this and it works wonderfuly for me. These medications have made my life bearable and livable. I've finally been given then chance to live my life in a relatively normal and healthy state of mind. And don't insult me and mt experiences by claiming the medications are only causing a placebo effect. I lived through 20 years of hell before receiving proper diagnosis and treatment. I am sceptical by nature and know damn well from my own experinces that the medication has made a very real, positive and palpable difference in my life, and for me that is a miraculous gift. While the medication is only part of this miracle and I must work very hard to ensure my continuing recovery, the medication is a key part of the miracle and the one that made it possible for me to do the work I need to have any semblance of a reasonably normal life. Anyone who says there is no such thing as normal has never personally experienced mental illness.

Don't piss in the wind, you won't like the taste.
Niccolo Medici
28-05-2005, 07:14
Your skepticism is reasonable given what you have experienced. Again, I am sorry for those experiences. But a little research would show that these drugs do far, far more good than harm.

EDIT: It occurs to me: what age were these friends? Research has shown that some anti-depressants may increase suicidal thoughts and actions in about 1 out of 50 people 18 years or younger. THIS IS NOT TRUE WITH ADULTS.


Your edit is worth mention, these people were all 20 years of age or younger. The youngest being just 15 or 16 (I forget which) at the time. Perhaps that could account for some of it.

I truly don't discount the fact that they do help people, nor do I suggest that my personal expereince is the only one. That being said, however unreasonable the first post's "conspiracy theory" may be, I simply can't bring myself to trust such drugs.

My personal intuition is that something is wrong, that the medical science isn't as finely tuned as it should be. Perhaps in 20 years we'll be at the point where I'd be comfortable with the science behind the drugs. But my Chemotherapy comparison stands; I feel as if we don't yet understand the situation, and are doing the best we can with out limited knowledge; thus the results I have witnessed.

I hope that as we continue our studies of the brain, new and more perfected therapies and drugs will enter the market, ones without these possible side effects.

BTW: I figure we shouldn't get into an argument about your first post/my response; NS is filled with enough angst and anger as is, I'd hate to add to it with someone as respectable as yourself. We cannot always express ourselves as well as we might like in writing, I suggest we both chalk it up to that and leave it be. Sorry if it looked like I was being unreasonable, but when I found myself thinking the same thing of you, I took a moment to think about it.
The Alma Mater
28-05-2005, 07:21
This is utter and complete bullshit.


I fear it is not. Especially Prozack does seem to have the sideeffect of encouraging children to become suicidal; and most antidepressants do more harm than good on children and elderly. This has been an issue in quite a few newsreports for the past few months or so here in the Netherlands.
The Cat-Tribe
28-05-2005, 08:10
I fear it is not. Especially Prozack does seem to have the sideeffect of encouraging children to become suicidal; and most antidepressants do more harm than good on children and elderly. This has been an issue in quite a few newsreports for the past few months or so here in the Netherlands.

1. The "article" says rather more than antidepressants have side-effects in children and the elderly.

2. As I stated myself, some research has suggested that there is a slight increased risk of suicide in children from Prozac. The actual studies in question showed a greater risk of suicidality during the first few months of treatment in those receiving Prozac. The average risk of such events on drug was 4%, twice the placebo risk of 2%. No suicides occurred in these trials. Out of an abundance of caution, the FDA in the US widely publicized the possibility of an increased risk and required a host of additional warnings be placed on boxes, prescribing information, etc. This has caused a hysterical overreaction in the press. Some scientists and medical organizations believe the FDA itself overreacted -- causing unnecessary concern and feeding the media frenzy.

3. I know of no evidence that antidepressants cause more harm than good for the elderly. I'd love to see the actual science on that.

4. Similarly, although the FDA has advised caution about prescribing some antidepressants to those under 18, it and other medical organizations still fully recommend the use of such medications to treat children with major depressive disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorders. Not treating such disorders with proper medication can be far more risky than the medication.

There is a great deal of public fear, ignorance, and misunderstanding about mental illness and its treatment.

Fear-mongering about medications that have been proven to be safe and effective makes the situation worse.

We have a far greater crisis of undiagnosed and untreated mental illness. Too bad less attention is focused on that.
The Black Forrest
28-05-2005, 08:28
I am married to a manic depressive. Drugs are good!

If you get into the heavy anti-depressives, you "usually" are supposed to be talking to a shrink as well. That way they can gage how they are working and adjust as needed.

Eliminating them is a very bad thing to do.
Naturality
28-05-2005, 09:21
I am married to a manic depressive. Drugs are good!

If you get into the heavy anti-depressives, you "usually" are supposed to be talking to a shrink as well. That way they can gage how they are working and adjust as needed.

Eliminating them is a very bad thing to do.


I agree, but I know many people that are getting Xanax, Valium etc. that only have to go see him for the time it takes to write out the prescription.

The drug industry is a BIG business. IMO out of the 100% that are prescribed these type of drugs, only 20% at max really need them. Majority of problems can be fixed with a nutritionist and daily stress management. Others might need a psychologist and counselling. Others just might need to learn how to function without some sort of drug in their system.

The misuse of prescribed drugs is where the term "pillhead" came from.

Just because it's legal doesn't make it good.
Naturality
28-05-2005, 09:26
Not even gonna go into the Ritalin drug and how many children are misdiagnosed or just put on them to make money, or shut the kid (or parent) up.

No I'm not saying all children on Ritalin shouldn't be.

But alot that are, shouldn't be on it.
BackwoodsSquatches
28-05-2005, 11:11
Ive at one time, been on everything from Paxil, to Zoloft, to Wellbutrin, to Celexa.
They helped...a little.
They dont make your problems go away, they just take the edge off of the issue of dealing with them.
The problem is, the side effects can be worse than the symptoms.
Depression sucks, but so does diarrhrea, moodiness, lack of sex drive, vague dizziness, and a host of others.

Some of them had even wierder effects.
Zoloft, for instance..I can remember when it first started "working".
I was driving along the road anb suddenly, everything was just absolutely hilarious.
I was cackling like a madman, and had to pul over until I could drive again.

The worst though, was Celexa.
Not bad in the sexual side effects, but if I stopped taking it, when the writhdrawal cycle hit, I would get these wierd "electric shocks" in my brain.
I would be reading or whatever, and suddenly.."BZZZT!!"...like an electrode in the brain, only painless.

That would continue for about three days.

In the end I just decided that the seratonin reuptake inhibitors werent for me.
The benefit from them didnt outweigh the drawbacks, and I havent been on them since.
Clincal Depression will always be something I ahve to deal with, but like anything else, if you let it beat you, its over.
I still get dark spells, but I just deal with them when they come.
The drugs didnt work for me, and Ive never been better.

Some people get much needed benefits from them, and if that helps them lead better lives..rock on.'
As for me...I dont need em.