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Honestly, why should anyone be conservitive? This outta be good.

This outta be good. Actually, it outta be trollbaiting.

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Honestly, why should anyone be conservitive? This outta be good.
I don't know of anyone who is conservitive. ;)

Depends - why would somebody want to be something that doesn't exist?

Look! I'M USING THE INTERNET! LOLOOLOLOLLOLOLOL

Depends - why would somebody want to be something that doesn't exist?
Why doesn't conservatism exist?

Honestly, why should anyone be conservitive? This outta be good.

It's a bit of a pointless question. Why do you have your own political views?

Why doesn't conservatism exist?

Conservatism exists. Conservitism doesn't.

Don't you just hate people who make fun of spelling?

Conservatism exists. Conservitism doesn't.

Don't you just hate people who make fun of spelling?
That was funny. I noticed the spelling error, but I didn't notice that you were making fun of it.

Why should anyone be conservative?
Better question: why should anyone be other than who and what they are? :D

Better question: why should anyone be other than who and what they are? :D

Good point... Which is why I ask:

Why should anyone try to force others to live by their "standards"?

Honestly, why should anyone be conservitive? This outta be good.
Better question, why does everyone keep answering this question with the same question?

I'm conservative because I want to be...that's why.

Since no actual constructive conversation could possibly stem from this thread, here is the link the article on Wikipedia for "Conservatism". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

That was funny. I noticed the spelling error, but I didn't notice that you were making fun of it.

No-one ever laughs at my jokes. Stop now - you might start a trend. I don't think I could handle that much laughter.

People want to protect their own way of life, and if that comes at the expense of other people's way of life, well then so be it...

People want to protect their own way of life, and if that comes at the expense of other people's way of life, well then so be it...

But, that's just ridiculous! They should be able to live how they want in their own personal conservatism, but leave others out of it if they aren't interested.

Good point... Which is why I ask:

Why should anyone try to force others to live by their "standards"?
Hey! Search me! ( PLEASE! ) :D

People want to protect their own way of life, and if that comes at the expense of other people's way of life, well then so be it...In other words, the opposite of my views.

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lolz0r @ Foxx.

I have a high moral and ethical standard and im a devout believer in God. I dont think gay marriage is right, why would god have made woman then? we were ment to hump the same sex, thats rather physically difficult. Specially for ladies. And another thing, I HATE TAXES, Business conservatives hate taxes, and besides the liberals here in Canada are so messed up its insane, and they waste extreme amounts money. Like they want to spend 700 000 dollars of tax payer money so prisoners can get tattoos. give me a frickin' break, their criminals, they dont deserve shit! let alone free tattoos. Theres many reasons to be conservative!

Honestly, why should anyone be conservitive? This outta be good.
maybe they're afraid of change?

maybe they're afraid of change?

Definitely - five pence pieces freak me out.

They choose to be conservative because it matches their personal set of morals and tenets. At least that's why most people choose to do things or set their beliefs into a group.

But, that's just ridiculous! They should be able to live how they want in their own personal conservatism, but leave others out of it if they aren't interested.
Of course it's ridiculous, and of course people should be able to choose for themselves, but it'd seem that people choose to be conservative because they want to be able to enforce their personal decisions on everyone else.

Which is why I personally tend to act conservatively, but think liberally and am somewhere far off in left field on the political compass.

Hey! Search me! ( PLEASE! ) :D
I'll search you! *Searches Eutrusca*

*Finds nothing*

You are under arrest for a violation of Rule 5, Section 4, Part 3: "It is illegal for any person to cause or force a non-police officer to search his/her person, belongings, lodgings, etc. without a warrant."

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

If you cannot spell it correctly...you really can't say anything. It's interesting how most of your liberal tax dollars are going to pay for your education...yet you're not learning anything. :gundge:

If you cannot spell it correctly...you really can't say anything. It's interesting how most of your liberal tax dollars are going to pay for your education...yet you're not learning anything. :gundge:


I saw the misspelling as well, but does it rate personal attacks? EVERYBODY'S tax dollars go to education, and it is a hot topic for conservatives as well, as in they want the system to be improved. Maybe if they were a little less grudging with a pocket book, the kids would have better schooling.

Why are you attacking the misspelling? Attack the flamebaiting instead.

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maybe they're afraid of change?
Hell, maybe they're just afraid of you! :eek:

I'll search you! *Searches Eutrusca*

*Finds nothing*

You are under arrest for a violation of Rule 5, Section 4, Part 3: "It is illegal for any person to cause or force a non-police officer to search his/her person, belongings, lodgings, etc. without a warrant."

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe
Hey! Git yer male paws offa mah great male body! :eek:

EDIT: NOTHING??? Whut da hell u mean, nothing! :eek:

Frangland's perceived tenets of American conservatism:

1)People should have the right to keep their own money and decide what to do with it. (extends to property)

2)People should have the right to bear arms for the purposes of hunting, personal/home defense, target shooting, or just to look at.

3)People should be "good"... IE, they should have strong moral fiber. They should NOT lord it over others, but encourage them to adopt and employ good principles.

4)Govermnent should (generally) do for the people only what the people cannot easily do for themselves.

5)The #1 priority of government should be the defense of the country/people, for without life people can enjoy neither liberty nor the pursuit of happiness.

well those are five

politically, it's hard to say no to education. i mean really, its all for the kids, right?
one big trouble i've found is simply that the names are all wrong. Liberals are not litterally liberal, nor are conservatives really conserving much. like the russian radicals who spent their whole carreers keeping russia the way it was?

People do like to talk about religeon in this matter, so i'll address that. conservative parties have embraced organized religeon while liberals have embraced secularism. although many have, on both sides, accused the others of forcing their beliefs on the whole nation, both sides are merely voting based on their own beliefs. In my opinion, you cannot expect anyone to vote against their beliefs, nor insult them for doing so.

I may be litterally conservative though. I believe that both political parties are my enemy, and that the nation can only function when neither of them has too much power (like control of all three branches of government). They all seem to have agendas that do not match mine.

Why does belief in god have to accompany tax cuts? Why does a social welfare advocate have to support my state's lottery? Why is environmental conservation accompanied by secularism? Why can't we reform campaign funding without advocating up to birthday abortion rights?

I'm conservative because that's the way I am. I used to be a pretty big liberal (but still a Christian Liberal) , but then I got a job.

"they take THAT much out of my paycheck?"

Economically, I'm pretty conservative. Taxes are way too high, the welfare system gets abused, repeatedly. I'm not saying welfare is bad, I think it needs to be reformed. Social SEcurity needs to be reformed, it will be bankrupt by the time I get to it if we don't reform it. Socially I'm pretty moderate, I support gay civil unions; but not gay marriage; I'm pro-life to a point, and I'm anti-gun control to a point. Foreign Policy-wise I'm conservative. I support the war, even though I feel that we need to get Iraq's government set up and get the hell out of there. I have an odd suspiscion that we'll be needing our troops back home...

I saw the misspelling as well, but does it rate personal attacks? EVERYBODY'S tax dollars go to education, and it is a hot topic for conservatives as well, as in they want the system to be improved. Maybe if they were a little less grudging with a pocket book, the kids would have better schooling.
Why do people associate funding with performance? For the most part, it's a statistically negligible factor.

politically, it's hard to say no to education. i mean really, its all for the kids, right?
one big trouble i've found is simply that the names are all wrong. Liberals are not litterally liberal, nor are conservatives really conserving much. like the russian radicals who spent their whole carreers keeping russia the way it was?

People do like to talk about religeon in this matter, so i'll address that. conservative parties have embraced organized religeon while liberals have embraced secularism. although many have, on both sides, accused the others of forcing their beliefs on the whole nation, both sides are merely voting based on their own beliefs. In my opinion, you cannot expect anyone to vote against their beliefs, nor insult them for doing so.

I may be litterally conservative though. I believe that both political parties are my enemy, and that the nation can only function when neither of them has too much power (like control of all three branches of government). They all seem to have agendas that do not match mine.

Why does belief in god have to accompany tax cuts? Why does a social welfare advocate have to support my state's lottery? Why is environmental conservation accompanied by secularism? Why can't we reform campaign funding without advocating up to birthday abortion rights?

That is very much how I feel, but unfortunately we have these problems that are very hard to overcome. Our government is slow to change, and panders mostly to itself keeping in office instead of listening to their constituents. And I don't even want to get started in on the lobbyists. It would also be nice to have a legitimate third party instead of just two. Might shake things up some and actually get the riffraff out.

I have a high moral and ethical standard and im a devout believer in God. I dont think gay marriage is right, why would god have made woman then? we were ment to hump the same sex, thats rather physically difficult. Specially for ladies. And another thing, I HATE TAXES, Business conservatives hate taxes, and besides the liberals here in Canada are so messed up its insane, and they waste extreme amounts money. Like they want to spend 700 000 dollars of tax payer money so prisoners can get tattoos. give me a frickin' break, their criminals, they dont deserve shit! let alone free tattoos. Theres many reasons to be conservative!

The question is, why did God make gay people? Now, hold on there bub. Don't say he didn't. If you actually study the issue, you find out homosexuality and heterosexuality ARE NOT choices. Homosexuals have different brain make up in the sexual part of the brain. A homosexual male is homosexual not because of choice, but because they are forced to be so by their brain's physiology. If you really think it is about choice, then you have never even talked to a homosexual.

Also, you are not conservative necessarily. Note, I don't like the political spectrum AT ALL, it makes things way to simple, and doesn't do justice to people(Nobody is purely conservative) who have mixed phylosophies.

The question is, why did God make gay people? Now, hold on there bub. Don't say he didn't. If you actually study the issue, you find out homosexuality and heterosexuality ARE NOT choices. Homosexuals have different brain make up in the sexual part of the brain. A homosexual male is homosexual not because of choice, but because they are forced to be so by their brain's physiology. If you really think it is about choice, then you have never even talked to a homosexual.

Also, you are not conservative necessarily. Note, I don't like the political spectrum AT ALL, it makes things way to simple, and doesn't do justice to people(Nobody is purely conservative) who have mixed phylosophies.

Nobody was "born gay", there is no gene for homosexuality. It's definetely a choice. Believe me, I had a friend who was once gay, and is not anymore.

I'm conservative because that's the way I am. I used to be a pretty big liberal (but still a Christian Liberal) , but then I got a job.

"they take THAT much out of my paycheck?"

Economically, I'm pretty conservative. Taxes are way too high, the welfare system gets abused, repeatedly. I'm not saying welfare is bad, I think it needs to be reformed. Social SEcurity needs to be reformed, it will be bankrupt by the time I get to it if we don't reform it. Socially I'm pretty moderate, I support gay civil unions; but not gay marriage; I'm pro-life to a point, and I'm anti-gun control to a point. Foreign Policy-wise I'm conservative. I support the war, even though I feel that we need to get Iraq's government set up and get the hell out of there. I have an odd suspiscion that we'll be needing our troops back home...

Hmm... you seem more like the Passionate Center, with a lean to the right, if I were to use the spectrum.

Elaborating on Welfare, it is being abused. There are people actually living off of Welfare-this is not what it should be used for. These people tend to be lazy(There are those who can't work, but that's a different story). We are actually supporting laziness with Welfare, at the current moment.

I actually support higher taxes, if necessary. Of course, massive Budget reform needs to come first, but if we need higher taxes to level things out, it will only help in the future. Of course, the rich are getting tax breaks(Don't say they aren't, because they most assuredly do). Our current Budget for next year is... sad, to say the least. Unfortunate, to say the least. NOTE: Budget reform before tax increase, if we increase taxes first it will only lead to more wasted money.

I am a conservative.

Or, a libertarian. Technically a conservative.

I am because I believe in the individual.

Frangland's perceived tenets of American conservatism:

1)People should have the right to keep their own money and decide what to do with it. (extends to property)

2)People should have the right to bear arms for the purposes of hunting, personal/home defense, target shooting, or just to look at.

3)People should be "good"... IE, they should have strong moral fiber. They should NOT lord it over others, but encourage them to adopt and employ good principles.

4)Govermnent should (generally) do for the people only what the people cannot easily do for themselves.

5)The #1 priority of government should be the defense of the country/people, for without life people can enjoy neither liberty nor the pursuit of happiness.

well those are five
Save for maybe #3, sounds like you're talking about what I've heard of libertarians, not conservatives...

Honestly, why should anyone be conservitive? This outta be good.
Be more specific, junior. Do you mean economically conservative, fiscally, socially? Wich one?

Nobody was "born gay", there is no gene for homosexuality. It's definetely a choice. Believe me, I had a friend who was once gay, and is not anymore.
Yes, because everyone is exactly the same.. :rolleyes:

Have you heard of the study from Sweden I believe that showed that gay men (truly gay men, the ones who are attracted to the same sex from an early age the same way straight men are attracted to women from the same age) react to the pheremones of men in the same way straight men react to the pheremones of women? Sure, you can choose to override your natural instincts and attractions, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm naturally inclined to be attracted to women wereas gay men are naturally inclined to be attracted to men.

Nobody was "born gay", there is no gene for homosexuality. It's definetely a choice. Believe me, I had a friend who was once gay, and is not anymore.

Well, scientific(OH NO! SCIENCE: The Antithesis of Religion) evidence points other wise.

Okay, elaboration.

The are of the brain which is most sexually dimorphic is they hypothalamus. The Sexually Dimporphic Nucleus of the Preoptic Area(We shall refer to this as the SDN-POA for now) is vital in sexuality of animals and humans. In humans, this area is Twice as large as those in women. This area is then seperated into four parts, called the Intertitial Nuclei of the Anterior Hypothalamus(INAH), and are number 1-4.

What has been found is that INAH-3(The third area) is aproximately 3 times larger in heterosexual males than in heterosexual females. Thus, one could hypothesize that homosexual males would have a smaller INAH-3 than in hetero males.

And what did we find? Homosexual males who were studied were found to have an INAH-3 that was 2-3 times SMALLER than heterosexual males. This, although not necessessarily conclussive, does indicate that Biology determines sexuality.

conservatism exists

conservatism exists
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I like what some of you are saying about conservatism. Personally, I don't care about a lot of things people do. In that sense, I believe in every personal civil right possible being advocated to people. I don't care what gays do (Whether it be a marriage or anything else), I don't have any morals to say (Now ethics, on the other hand, I do have, and if anybody wishes me to elaborate on this I will) and I don't plan on imposing them. I really don't get why anybody cares about what gays do or not, since it really doesn't affect their own lives in any way. The bill of rights, especially the free speech amendment, I hold dear to my heart and am willing to debate anybody on it. Economically speaking, I hate the idea of welfare (it's been perverted and abused by everybody imaginable and is on the brink of collapse) and I want a large amount of economic freedoms. If you analyze this correctly, it should be saying that I'm a libertarian, and you'd be right. The only reason that I'm not a libertarian is that the libertarian party is run by idiots who can't do anything or get anything done. Economic policies, I believe, are always more important than social policies, so I'm a republican.

Nobody was "born gay", there is no gene for homosexuality. It's definetely a choice. Believe me, I had a friend who was once gay, and is not anymore.Your friend who was once gay was never gay at all. Let me explain. Some people think that the world is out to get them. Meanwhile the government is out to get the gays, roughly. These straight people who think the world is out to get them see that the world is out to get gays, they put 2 and 2 together and figure out that they're gay, even though they're not. This phenomenon of fake gay people can also be explained by losers who want attention so they say they're gay. This is very popular among teenagers.

Conservative? well, mostly. I hold conservative ideals of how people should act, the world would be a lot better if they did, but that is a matter for the legal system.

Morally I'm conservative.

RE: Taxes. They are necessary and there is no way to have govt. without them. The govt. doesn't really take THAT much out considering how much the govt. DOES for us.

I am also pro- gun control (which is not a conservative trait)

and I agree there should be a 3rd party, because half the problems occur because we try to simplify the issues into 2 sides.

we have Dem=good Rep=Bad
and also Rep=good Dem=Bad

it doesn't work that way. People who only vote on party lines have been brainwashed pretty well.