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I know someone is going to say "why don't you move?" or "why don't you try and change America." Well, this is my homeland so why move? And the voice of a young atheist doesn't go far in a Christain conservative 'theocracy' like USA. I'm learning French and Russian, but with the economy plumetting and Spanish pushing from everywhere, my hopes are dim for moving out of the nation.

I'm lower middle-class, in a rich neighborhood. The pressures of a capitalist society, competing to be the best and fitest, are tremendous and frankly I cannot put up with it.

Yup, yet another victim, it's obviously not this person's fault that they can't handle day to day living. Well, I blame you.

a lot of extremists might get all over you for this one, so maybe you could clarify on what you mean by 'america' ??

I know someone is going to say "why don't you move?" or "why don't you try and change America." Well, this is my homeland so why move? And the voice of a young atheist doesn't go far in a Christain conservative 'theocracy' like USA. I'm learning French and Russian, but with the economy plumetting and Spanish pushing from everywhere, my hopes are dim for moving out of the nation.

I'm lower middle-class, in a rich neighborhood. My self-esteem crashes and rises like the stock market, randomly and sparatically. The pressures of a capitalist society, competing to be the best and fitest, are tremendous and frankly I cannot put up with it.

I blame America.
It is foolish to love or hate a nation. Be specific and do not toss about blame to those who are undeserving of it.

It is foolish to love or hate a nation. Be specific and do not toss about blame to those who are undeserving of it.
I think depending on what you define as the nation, it is acceptable have a stance toward it.

Ah criques. I love you all. Sorry I was too general.

"America" is the United States of America, or more specifically the conservative Christain government.

And yes, I am to blame for not having enough self-control or not taking Zoloft.
But America, if not every other country in the world, has critics. I am one.

I know someone is going to say "why don't you move?"
Yes, why don't you move? :D
I'm no conservative either (libertarian), but I'm getting tired of all the ppl who 'hate America.' My school is full of 'em and it's driving me off the damn wall :sniper:

So move to canada.

Your country is mostly not to blame for what happens to you as an individual. Besides, French and Russian? Spanish is pushing in, as you say, and China is ready to become the It country in the 21st Century. I would suggest to start with those.

Ah criques. I love you all. Sorry I was too general.

"America" is the United States of America, or more specifically the conservative Christain government.

And yes, I am to blame for not having enough self-control or not taking Zoloft.
But America, if not every other country in the world, has critics. I am one.
Oh then, I thought you were speaking of something else. It is perfectly alright to have negative feelings about the government, but mere hate will not accomplish anything.

I know someone is going to say "why don't you move?" or "why don't you try and change America." Well, this is my homeland so why move? And the voice of a young atheist doesn't go far in a Christain conservative 'theocracy' like USA. I'm learning French and Russian, but with the economy plumetting and Spanish pushing from everywhere, my hopes are dim for moving out of the nation.

I'm lower middle-class, in a rich neighborhood. My self-esteem crashes and rises like the stock market, randomly and sparatically. The pressures of a capitalist society, competing to be the best and fitest, are tremendous and frankly I cannot put up with it.

I blame America.

"We're all fucked. It helps to remember that." -George Carlin

It's good advice. I think you're spending too much time sweating the small stuff.

I mean, here you are; gabbing on the NationStates forum. You're probably sitting in front of your computer munching on a hoho and drinking mountain dew(or some variation thereof). How bad can your life be?

Eat out of a dumpster and suck dick for drug money for a few months. Then come back and tell us how horrible America is.

I think you need to lighten up, take a look at the blue of the sky, the green of the trees and take a good long look at just how wonderful living in America is. Play. Enjoy life. Dance naked among the dandelions.

Because my friend, there are people all over the world that would beat your ass for what you leave on your dinnerplate. SOme of them are right here in America too.

Yes, why don't you move?

There are people in parts of the world who are completely torn by war, famine, drought, and disaster. And they don't move because of the nostalgia of their hometown. I'm one of them. I must ride out the storm, not able to rise to any high office because I am agnostic.

I know someone is going to say "why don't you move?" or "why don't you try and change America." Well, this is my homeland so why move? And the voice of a young atheist doesn't go far in a Christain conservative 'theocracy' like USA. I'm learning French and Russian, but with the economy plumetting and Spanish pushing from everywhere, my hopes are dim for moving out of the nation.

I'm lower middle-class, in a rich neighborhood. My self-esteem crashes and rises like the stock market, randomly and sparatically. The pressures of a capitalist society, competing to be the best and fitest, are tremendous and frankly I cannot put up with it.

I blame America.

This is an okay attempt at humor, I give it a 6 out of 10. The use of the word "sparatically" can be seen as an attempt to visualize your anger. I can understand your fear with those Spanish pushing in from everywhere, they are crafty!
I would recommend you "move" or "try to change the country" but I see you have already thought about that. Well, I have to go to my local conservative theocratic council meeting, we have some Spanish visitors coming to give a presentation. You have a nice day now. :)

I AM NOT EATING HO-HOS AND DRINKING COLA!
I have nothing against the Latin population.

I weigh a healthy 150 and am 6'3". Let's not get personal...

Since you can't move and you don't believe you can change anything, if it gets too hard there is always suicide. Have a nice day.

"We're all fucked. It helps to remember that." -George Carlin

It's good advice. I think you're spending too much time sweating the small stuff.

I mean, here you are; gabbing on the NationStates forum. You're probably sitting in front of your computer munching on a hoho and drinking mountain dew(or some variation thereof). How bad can your life be?

Eat out of a dumpster and suck dick for drug money for a few months. Then come back and tell us how horrible America is.

I think you need to lighten up, take a look at the blue of the sky, the green of the trees and take a good long look at just how wonderful living in America is. Play. Enjoy life. Dance naked among the dandelions.

Because my friend, there are people all over the world that would beat your ass for what you leave on your dinnerplate. SOme of them are right here in America too.
You always know what to say. Wouldn't it be easier to sit naked at your computer? It's very liberating.

I AM NOT EATING HO-HOS AND DRINKING COLA!
I have nothing against the Latin population.

I weigh a healthy 150 and am 6'3". Let's not get personal...

His point is still valid.

I AM NOT EATING HO-HOS AND DRINKING COLA!
I have nothing against the Latin population.

I weigh a healthy 150 and am 6'3". Let's not get personal...

You call that healthy?!? :eek: My god, man! Eat something! Before you fall down the drain in the shower. ;)

I know someone is going to say "why don't you move?" or "why don't you try and change America." Well, this is my homeland so why move? And the voice of a young atheist doesn't go far in a Christain conservative 'theocracy' like USA. I'm learning French and Russian, but with the economy plumetting and Spanish pushing from everywhere, my hopes are dim for moving out of the nation.

I'm lower middle-class, in a rich neighborhood. My self-esteem crashes and rises like the stock market, randomly and sparatically. The pressures of a capitalist society, competing to be the best and fitest, are tremendous and frankly I cannot put up with it.

I blame America.

I feel your pain. I'm also an aethiest and also try to speak enough languages to try to fool people. I know Latin, French and a smattering of Japanes and German. I am also the only male out of 4 children and I am the youngest. My self-esteem and mental health is'nt all the way up there either.
But I don't America itself. I don't hate the constitution or the bill of rights or anything. But I do hate the way Americans act and the way Americans are headed.
We choose to elect somebody that we know every international body loathes. We're so arragant and believe are way of doing things is the best and only way. We're fat, dumb, lazy and abusing our position on top of the world, not realizing that our rights are getting taken away from us out of fear and insecurity. And I am no exception.
I believe what he was trying to say was that he hates how Americans act and what America is becoming, not America itself. Correct me if I'm wrong Xi Huan Di.

Ah criques. I love you all. Sorry I was too general.

"America" is the United States of America, or more specifically the conservative Christain government.

And yes, I am to blame for not having enough self-control or not taking Zoloft.
But America, if not every other country in the world, has critics. I am one.

Our government isn't 'conservative.' It's an elitist, near-fascist bureaucracy run by New World Order pimps and corporate whores who are undermining and destroying real capitalism.

You should be kissing America's ass for its government allowing you to say that and for you not being poorer. You hate America for your miserable life. Face it. You made mistakes and hating a nation for something that isn't its fault never solved anything. Get off your ass and make something of your life. You say that your misfortune is caused by being aethiest in a theocracy. Where did that come from?

I know someone is going to say "why don't you move?" or "why don't you try and change America." Well, this is my homeland so why move? And the voice of a young atheist doesn't go far in a Christain conservative 'theocracy' like USA. I'm learning French and Russian, but with the economy plumetting and Spanish pushing from everywhere, my hopes are dim for moving out of the nation.

I'm lower middle-class, in a rich neighborhood. My self-esteem crashes and rises like the stock market, randomly and sparatically. The pressures of a capitalist society, competing to be the best and fitest, are tremendous and frankly I cannot put up with it.

I blame America.
im no fan of america either but this is selfish. hating america just because you arent at the top.

Another thing: if America were "capitalist," we wouldn't have social welfare, corporate welfare, business regulations, antitrust laws, Social Security, a national bank (i.e., the Federal Reserve), the IRS, et. al.

There are people in parts of the world who are completely torn by war, famine, drought, and disaster. And they don't move because of the nostalgia of their hometown. I'm one of them. I must ride out the storm, not able to rise to any high office because I am agnostic.



I call bullshit. I'm agnostic and it has never prevented me from getting a job, promotion or a raise.


Religious discussions should not take place in your place of employment and if that's not happening then how do they know that you are agnostic?

You always know what to say. Wouldn't it be easier to sit naked at your computer? It's very liberating.

It's a knack. And yes. I rarely sit naked at the computer. I usually wear socks. :)

I recently changed my first post because I made it seem too vague and against the whole of North and South America.

I am simply against the conservative Christain government. If you think you're going to hell for having an abortion, then don't abort your children. Don't push that down people who don't believe a hell exists in the first place!

It's good advice. I think you're spending too much time sweating the small stuff.

I mean, here you are; gabbing on the NationStates forum. You're probably sitting in front of your computer munching on a hoho and drinking mountain dew(or some variation thereof). How bad can your life be?

Eat out of a dumpster and suck dick for drug money for a few months. Then come back and tell us how horrible America is.

I think you need to lighten up, take a look at the blue of the sky, the green of the trees and take a good long look at just how wonderful living in America is. Play. Enjoy life. Dance naked among the dandelions.

Because my friend, there are people all over the world that would beat your ass for what you leave on your dinnerplate. SOme of them are right here in America too.
I realize that, but shouldn't our government try to stop that from happening and something about? No, we just keep on pouring our taxes into an unending and failure of a war while the deficit soars out of control. That's a pretty damn good reason to not appreciate America.

Another thing: if America were "capitalist," we wouldn't have social welfare, corporate welfare, business regulations, antitrust laws, Social Security, a national bank (i.e., the Federal Reserve), the IRS, et. al.
I agree with you, except for the Federal Reserve.

dont hate America --just hate the evil lizard people currently in power

I agree with you, except for the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve is communistic. Plank two of the Communist Manifesto specifically calls for a national bank.

Before we continue bashing the poor guy I would like to point something out:

while we all might dispute his claim to hate America, that's what he feels! I think we should get to the core of the problem by talking and understanding, not by directing criticisms.

I call bullshit. I'm agnostic and it has never prevented me from getting a job, promotion or a raise.

75% of all Americans wouldn't vote for an agnostic or atheist as president.
-my western philosophy teacher-

The Federal Reserve is communistic. Plank two of the Communist Manifesto specifically calls for a national bank.
that communist manifesto bullcrap turned out to be just another internet hoax

Yea don't bash to poor guy :)

Since you can't move and you don't believe you can change anything, if it gets too hard there is always suicide. Have a nice day.
It's nice to know you promote murder. Sadistic son of a...

75% of all Americans wouldn't vote for an agnostic or atheist as president.
-my western philosophy teacher-

86% of all Americans can pull any unsubstantiated statistic that they feel like out of their asshole.
-me-

Before we continue bashing the poor guy I would like to point something out:

while we all might dispute his claim to hate America, that's what he feels! I think we should get to the core of the problem by talking and understanding, not by directing criticisms.
under the people in power now whats there to like about America?

The Federal Reserve is communistic. Plank two of the Communist Manifesto specifically calls for a national bank.
Can you start a thread about this so as not to hijack the poor fellow's?

Can you start a thread about this so as not to hijack the poor fellow's?

No, we'll just change the subject back to the original topic.

75% of all Americans wouldn't vote for an agnostic or atheist as president.
-my western philosophy teacher-


Do you really want to be president?

Im an American who hates the Evil Empire we've become under Bush

DEATH TO THE EMPIRE-- RESTORE THE REPUBLIC^5

OK, I'm making a poll right now as to who would vote for an atheist president. I believe at least 60% would not. I'll post the subject when I have it done.

OK, I'm making a poll right now as to who would vote for an atheist president. I believe at least 60% would not. I'll post the subject when I have it done.

I would. I don't give a shit what a politician's religious views are, so long as they see eye to eye with me on politics.

Im an American who hates the Evil Empire we've become under Bush

DEATH TO THE EMPIRE-- RESTORE THE REPUBLIC^5
My dear boy, we have been empire builders for far longer than Bush has been president.

You should be kissing America's ass for its government allowing you to say that and for you not being poorer. You hate America for your miserable life. Face it. You made mistakes and hating a nation for something that isn't its fault never solved anything. Get off your ass and make something of your life. You say that your misfortune is caused by being aethiest in a theocracy. Where did that come from?
First of all, I don't kiss anyone's ass, but I'm not so sure about you. Second of all, I am gratefrul for freedom of speech and freedom of expression. I am not however, terribly excited to see those freedoms get flushed down the drain.
I don't hate America for my miserable life. I hate America and all Americans for their ingnorance and incompetence.

My dear boy, we have been empire buildings far longer than Bush has been president.

Exactly!

*cough*William McKinley*cough*

I would. I don't give a shit what a politician's religious views are, so long as they see eye to eye with me on politics.
They wouldn't even have to see eye to eye with me on ever issue. Only the big ones. An aethiest would a hell of a lot better candidate than any religious nutbag.

Thanks! That helps.

Then again, NS is pretty much 14-21 year olds. Think of the mid-life and senior voters and their religious conservativeness.

I know someone is going to say "why don't you move?" or "why don't you try and change America." Well, this is my homeland so why move? And the voice of a young atheist doesn't go far in a Christain conservative 'theocracy' like USA. I'm learning French and Russian, but with the economy plumetting and Spanish pushing from everywhere, my hopes are dim for moving out of the nation.

I'm lower middle-class, in a rich neighborhood. The pressures of a capitalist society, competing to be the best and fitest, are tremendous and frankly I cannot put up with it.
Poor babie! So oppressed and abused. Tsk!

*cough*William McKinley*cough*

Try James K. Polk. And if we really got into it, we could probably go back even further. But that's off-topic.

Is it really America that he hates? Or is it his feeling of helplessness, of not being able to "make a difference?" Apathy or feelings of futility seem to plague the 18-26 voting bloc, of which only about 10% even bothered to vote in the 2004 US elections. Maybe the true objects of hatred are the causes of that malaise. (Victimhood is not a solution, though.)

Thanks! That helps.

Then again, NS is pretty much 14-21 year olds. Think of the mid-life and senior voters and their religious conservativeness.
I'm a "senior voter" and I'm neither religious nor conservative, but I do love my Country and will do whatever I can to help make Her become all She is capable of becoming.

I realize that, but shouldn't our government try to stop that from happening and something about? No, we just keep on pouring our taxes into an unending and failure of a war while the deficit soars out of control. That's a pretty damn good reason to not appreciate America.

Perhaps that might give THEM a reason to not appreciate America.

But what reason do YOU have? Hmm? It seems to me that if we're having this conversation right now, then AMerica(assuming you live there) is treating you pretty good. Life in general is.

I think a more interesting question is this: If the plight of the unfortunates hits you so hard that you feel the need to be disillusioned with The U.S.A. on their behalf, then what are you doing about it?

I'm not the kind to brag, but I Do Something to help those less fortunate than me. My talents are few, and not particularly useful. But I use them to help others. How many nations have the level of charity that American citizens provide to eachother? Or to the world for that matter? That's the REAL greatness of America.

86% of all Americans can pull any unsubstantiated statistic that they feel like out of their asshole.
-me-

YAY! :D

I must admit that although I hate the war, I think it is improving...

Saddam is caught and al-Zaquarri (sp) is injurred. The hostage taking is slowing down and we have Fallujah!

But still...*tisk tisk*

Thanks! That helps.

Then again, NS is pretty much 14-21 year olds. Think of the mid-life and senior voters and their religious conservativeness.
I think that the polls (although not scientific even by a very looong shot) have said that the median is much older than that.

Is it really America that he hates? Or is it his feeling of helplessness, of not being able to "make a difference?" Apathy or feelings of futility seem to plague the 18-26 voting bloc, of which only about 10% even bothered to vote in the 2004 US elections. Maybe the true objects of hatred are the causes of that malaise. (Victimhood is not a solution, though.)
Sometimes I think that the people in the most developed countries, where there's much less struggle and life simply is not that much a challenge, that's where people feel more despaired. The people in other places of the world are too busy just fighting for survival to be despaired.

So the choice is depressed or deprived? That is a sad reality.

And I've come to a conclusion. I have no political view except for the SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. If that applies, all is good. I'm going independent! This subject is pointless dribble! I don't love my country, I don't hate it. I simply don't care!

PS: You people did nothing to change my view. I simply wanted a view and chose the liberal one. Now I realize that I didn't need to choose a view at all.

I can't ride the merry-go-round at my local theme park because I'm over 5' tall. Boo freakin' hoo. We're all born into limits, and just living here has given you more than you could ever hope for compared to, maybe, Sudan.

I take it you read the first post and ignored the rest of the forum...

You can have an opinion. But given your unthourough view, you deserve none.

I know someone is going to say "why don't you move?" or "why don't you try and change America." Well, this is my homeland so why move? And the voice of a young atheist doesn't go far in a Christain conservative 'theocracy' like USA. I'm learning French and Russian, but with the economy plumetting and Spanish pushing from everywhere, my hopes are dim for moving out of the nation.

I'm lower middle-class, in a rich neighborhood. The pressures of a capitalist society, competing to be the best and fitest, are tremendous and frankly I cannot put up with it.
I was going to yell at you. But I noticed you changed your title. Well done.

I love America; I love its ideals and what it stands for. But I hate the Bush administration. I'm working for a liberal institution designed to organize the Democratic party more effectively for the next round of elections in an attempt to change things.

I do wish you wouldn't throw accusations like "theocracy" out there, though. You don't have to go to church. This government is a lot more liberal in terms of church/state than most others around the world, although admittedly it's getting a lot worse and really, really alarming. Being alarmist, however, generally provokes reaction.

Please don't take this as a bash but. . . atheism and agnosticism are entirely different things and still demand faith. You can't play both sides of that fence--either there is a Divine Being or there isn't.

As far as the US having a conservative Christian government. . . You are in what is traditionally a Christian nation with written guarantees to the freedom of religion. Note: we do not have an established church (as England or Sweden--more socialist than the US--do) that your tax dollars are funnelled into. I'm trying to find what exactly you're taking issue with concerning "Christian" government. There is no mandatory church attendance (which, by the way, was part of American history during our colonial period), no funding of actual church bodies--just tax exemptions, and, yes, the Ten Commandments (even if you are anti-established religion, you have to agree that the principles within are decent and non-discriminatory) and English Common Law with strains of "Enlightenment" thought are the basis of modern law. And, no, there is no actual wording in the US Constitution that establishes a wall between Church and State. The First Amendment only states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." This was derived from the simple ideal that the United States government would not require citizens to pay taxes to the official federal state religion as they did to the Anglican Chruch. This also means that individual states can establish churches (and a few did pre-antebellum period) due to the specific wording of "Congress shall make. . ." However, this had fallen out of favor as the Union aged.

If it is to the actual people in power that you are objecting to, isn't that a bit hypocritical to judge them on a religious basis when you do not want to be judged on your faith (when you decide what it is)? If you were in office of course you would be swayed by your religious (yes, atheism IS a religion when considered by the definition of religion) persuasion and act upon it. One cannot divorce the individual from their faith. It has never, and will never, work.

If you are offended by others expressing their faith, as you did to us here, there is only one thing to say. . . You are NOT guaranteed the right to NOT be offended. I don't know where people feel this sense of entitlement to impose their minority values on the majority, but you do not in any way, shape, matter, or form have the right to tell anyone, including Christian conservatives, that you want them to clam up because you're being offended. The only recourse you have in that case is to *pray* that they're forcing you to go to church and recite a creed or you've got nothing to stand on.

As for running for office. . . that's what a representative government is. People choose who will represent them in office. There are no official religious tests to be administered to anyone seeking office (Article VI, Section 3). You can thank the early persecution of Quakers and Catholics for that inclusion in the Constitution.

Speaking of the Constitution, I suggest you purchase a physical copy. As a Libertarian, I find it most helpful.

And Capitalism. . . last time I checked, the poverty standard of life in the US is better than most of the population of the world. Note: nowhere in our history were the United States supposed to be a complete and total Utopia. Certain parts, however, were supposed to be that religious "City on a Hill" to be the model for the rest of the world to how people should live in peace with one another.

As for citing your western civ teacher, as where he/she found those stats before making them public. It helps to know the source.

Cheers, and best of luck on your quest for non-offense and perceived equality in our home.

Please don't take this as a bash but. . . atheism and agnosticism are entirely different things and still demand faith. You can't play both sides of that fence--either there is a Divine Being or there isn't.


faith ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fth)
n.
Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.
Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
A set of principles or beliefs.


Given the definition of faith how do atheism and agnosticism demand faith?



If you were in office of course you would be swayed by your religious (yes, atheism IS a religion when considered by the definition of religion) persuasion and act upon it.

re·li·gion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-ljn)
n.

Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.


Given the definition of religion how does atheism qualify as a religion?

Please, somebody think of the Children?!?!

Amen

I love this land, love my fellow citizens, and i'll fight against anyone
that tries to harm it. Yeah stop whining you middle east brats. Like i give a dam if you don't like us.

but i hate the idiots in charge both dems and repubs, they're idiots

I'm lower middle-class, in a rich neighborhood. The pressures of a capitalist society, competing to be the best and fitest, are tremendous and frankly I cannot put up with it.
I'm middle class, a little lower, and I live in a rich neighborhood. The pressure to work hard and get into a good school and rise up in what is an economy which gives me a chance to rise up is immense, and as such I relish every success.

If you're not willing to work hard, then you're in the wrong country.

I really get annoyed when people blurt out such absurd accusations like "theocracy" and "Christian government," because they're so exaggerated, that I can't believe people actually believe them. Is there Christian influence?Yes - PROBABLY (though it may be a long shot, I don't know, Im just American) because, erm, a large portion of the nation is...Christian? I don't know, it seems iffy to me.

The Federal Reserve is communistic. Plank two of the Communist Manifesto specifically calls for a national bank.

Well the federal reserve really is not a national bank but there was once a national but that was closed down by Jackson in the 1830s so there has been no real national bank for a while.

I really get annoyed when people blurt out such absurd accusations like "theocracy" and "Christian government," because they're so exaggerated, that I can't believe people actually believe them. Is there Christian influence?Yes - PROBABLY (though it may be a long shot, I don't know, Im just American) because, erm, a large portion of the nation is...Christian? I don't know, it seems iffy to me.
wow, iffy?
so despite the fact that Bush is extremely evangelical and always bringing God in to justify his actions you don't believe there is a Christian government?

These statements (http://www.dubyaspeak.com/theologian.phtml) by Bush himself doesn't create the image that this is a "Chritian government"?

just one as a sample:
"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job."
-- Dubya: Mouthpiece of God. Statement made during campaign visit to Amish community, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, Jul. 9, 2004

I know someone is going to say "why don't you move?" or "why don't you try and change America." Well, this is my homeland so why move? And the voice of a young atheist doesn't go far in a Christain conservative 'theocracy' like USA. I'm learning French and Russian, but with the economy plumetting and Spanish pushing from everywhere, my hopes are dim for moving out of the nation.

I'm lower middle-class, in a rich neighborhood. The pressures of a capitalist society, competing to be the best and fitest, are tremendous and frankly I cannot put up with it.

Oh cry me a river. If your gonna cry about how little your voice is then shut up and don't bother using your voice at all.

Not everyone just runs to a message board and whine about how they can't beat up a few people to live a decent life comfortably.

Hey man how about you do this. Since you hate those Christian Cons, how about you sign up to vote and show your hatred by helping us liberals vote them out of office. That can keep this board clear of any complaining you do or don't have.


Anyone ever hear "When the President Talks to God" I think it sums up what this guy is feeling. It's an awsome song.

I know someone is going to say "why don't you move?" or "why don't you try and change America." Well, this is my homeland so why move? And the voice of a young atheist doesn't go far in a Christain conservative 'theocracy' like USA. I'm learning French and Russian, but with the economy plumetting and Spanish pushing from everywhere, my hopes are dim for moving out of the nation.

I'm lower middle-class, in a rich neighborhood. The pressures of a capitalist society, competing to be the best and fitest, are tremendous and frankly I cannot put up with it.if you cannot put up with it, then the only option is to move, Russia and Spain are not your only choices. There are other countries that may suit you, China for one, or perhaps Burma. However, if you really hate America as much as you say, don't forget to revoke your citizenship, after all, I'm sure you don't want to have any reminders of the nation that is putting such "Tremendous pressure" on you.

If, however, you feel that you can give America a second chance, then remember, the pressures you feel are the same for other Americans. you are not getting any more or less pressure than eveyone else. America is what you make of it, what you get, is what you put into it.

Amen

I love this land, love my fellow citizens, and i'll fight against anyone
that tries to harm it. Yeah stop whining you middle east brats. Like i give a dam if you don't like us.

but i hate the idiots in charge both dems and repubs, they're idiots

How can you be so obtuse? Those "middle east brats" have a right to be mad at us. We know and they know we did this whole Iraq thing for oil, oil for our SUVs which pollute our world and will eventually kill it. We're selfish bastards. And I think we all know China will soon come over and make Iraq it's own, so we're doing this for nothing.

We know and they know we did this whole Iraq thing for oil,

Don't say that too loudly, or Haliburton's secret police will take you away in their black helicopters and lock you up at Area 51. Fight the future.

Allright, I am hardcore pro-America, but I wont bash you for your beliefs, or expressing them. Hell thats why I joined the military after all (being in Iraq currently is just an unfortunate consequence of enlisting). My Question though is :what would make a country good for you? If you hate what America is, what would be the ideal state. Dont answer with just some ideolgy like Communism or whatever, give me actual answers to the effect of something like : "I wish my country would have butterscotch dispencers on every street corner. " Give me your idea of what would make a good country, and then we can all ask if such an ideal exists or what come close to it

I hear that although the border of the USA and Mexico is heavily guarded against Mexicans trying to get into the US, the border patrol won't mind if you illegally emigrate from the US to Mexico. You could try that land of opportunity.

Xi Huan Di, I hope that you realize that in many countries in the world you wounldn't have access to the internet, and even if you could access the internet, many countries might censor anti-patriotic speech such as yours and perhaps charge you with treason.

Although I am not particularly patriotic and I certainly do not support the Bush administration, people like you who whine constantly while others do something about their problems have always annoyed me. The responsibility of improving your quality of life lies with you, no one else. Quit your whining.

Pantheaa said:
I love this land, love my fellow citizens, and i'll fight against anyone
that tries to harm it. Yeah stop whining you middle east brats. Like i give a dam if you don't like us.

I am an American citizen, love me.
Middle east brats? That's so racist! What are you? KKK??
"Like i give a dam if you don't like us" ... are you a politician? and as far as I am concerned, I am part of "us". So stop speaking for America. We have many colors.
your post seems to be, well, very vague. frankly I laughed when you wrote it


As for everyone other than Pantheaa, you've given me two options. "Work harder and stop whinning" or "move to another country." Well, I was born and raised here. And as we all know, when one is born, we cannot press a button to choose our home nation. I was raised here. So I shall live here.

And if you critiqes actually read page 3, I said that I'll just be another pointless independent in a swing state. I will simply not vote for the person that says god first.

And again, if you haven't read the entire subject, you don't deserve an opinion.

I realize that, but shouldn't our government try to stop that from happening and something about? No, we just keep on pouring our taxes into an unending and failure of a war while the deficit soars out of control. That's a pretty damn good reason to not appreciate America.

You realize that, you know, maybe, our war is helping some people that aren't Americans? I'm pretty sure that removing Saddam from powere helped a few people.

Congratulations. Thank you for sharing.

You realize that, you know, maybe, our war is helping some people that aren't Americans? I'm pretty sure that removing Saddam from powere helped a few people.
No, it's basically only helping American owned oil companies. "Ali spoke almost longingly about life with the tyrannical dictator. “Saddam was a bad man, but at least it was safer,” he says. “Now, even the teenagers have weapons, and we’re all living without security.” Article from newsweek. People in Iraq don't like us there, need us there or want us there. THey didn't ask for us to come. Our mere precense is causing death and destruction as suicide bombers do their best to demolish the city and as Americans do their best by violating citizens. The article is on this link by the way
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4114868/site/newsweek/