NationStates Jolt Archive

That you've heard? List them here. One of the worst IMO was this one:

"The left was overjoyed about the 9/11 attacks on America."

Just about everything Annie C says......

I've heard that Ward Churchill has called the victoms of 9-11 "little ieckmen(that nazi guy)s." He apparently has also called himself native American without proof in order to exploit the benefits of Affirmative Action and seems to ba calling for more violence against the US in general. He should be shot for that violence thing alone.

Just about anything that comes out of Michael Moore's mouth.

And, up until his retirement, anything from Dan Rather.

That you've heard? List them here. One of the worst IMO was this one:

"The left was overjoyed about the 9/11 attacks on America."
and the equally ugly flip side to that

"president bush knew all about 9/11 before it happened and did nothing to stop it"

the republicans are the party of small government.
the democrats are traitors.

"We're the government. We're here to help."
-Methinks that tops them all

Just about everything Annie C says......
Just about anything that comes out of Michael Moore's mouth.

And, up until his retirement, anything from Dan Rather.
I'd like specific lies, guys.

You can find some pretty good examples right here on this forum.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=421332

;)

All right you are going to make me work.....

Annie gems:

If we're so cruel to minorities, why do they keep coming here? Why aren't they sneaking across the Mexican border to make their way to the Taliban?

Liberal soccer moms are precisely as likely to receive anthrax in the mail as to develop a capacity for linear thinking.

Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties - provided we're only talking about criminals.

Liberals become indignant when you question their patriotism, but simultaneously work overtime to give terrorists a cushion for the next attack and laugh at dumb Americans who love their country and hate the enemy.

My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.

Usually the nonsense liberals spout is kind of cute, but in wartime their instinctive idiocy is life-threatening.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.

When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.

Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant.

While the form of treachery varies slightly from case to case, liberals always manage to take the position that most undermines American security.

"Bush invaded Iraq to enrich Haliburton and other big oil conserns."

"Bush invaded Iraq to enrich Haliburton and other big oil conserns."

If this one is a lie, can you explain why the bulk of reconstruction funds aren't going directly to Iraqi contractors? They're competent, they're much cheaper (because they don't have to pay workers at America's high cost-of-living rates), and it'd have gone a long way to solving Iraq's present severe unemployment problems.

And please don't tell me that Iraqi contractors would've been more corrupt - they'd have to be pretty darn corrupt indeed to beat Hallibacon.

and the equally ugly flip side to that

"president bush knew all about 9/11 before it happened and did nothing to stop it"
Have you seen that Presidential Daily Briefing? It was released a while back, the only thing that was redacted from it were specific sources. Having read it, it told him what, where, and how. The system worked, it got useful information to the President's desk. Having seen the memo, it's hard not to blame him and his staff. I think at most, one could ask that it were written better. But he had the information in his hands, and one month to act.

If this one is a lie, can you explain why the bulk of reconstruction funds aren't going directly to Iraqi contractors? They're competent, they're much cheaper (because they don't have to pay workers at America's high cost-of-living rates), and it'd have gone a long way to solving Iraq's present severe unemployment problems.

And please don't tell me that Iraqi contractors would've been more corrupt - they'd have to be pretty darn corrupt indeed to beat Hallibacon.

serendipity

Have you seen that Presidential Daily Briefing? It was released a while back, the only thing that was redacted from it were specific sources. Having read it, it told him what, where, and how. The system worked, it got useful information to the President's desk. Having seen the memo, it's hard not to blame him and his staff. I think at most, one could ask that it were written better. But he had the information in his hands, and one month to act.
oh there is plenty of blame to be laid at the door of the oval office. john ashcroft actually banned people from mentioning the name OSAMA BIN LADEN to him.

but that is quite different from knowing time place and method and letting it happen. that they did not know.

Have you seen that Presidential Daily Briefing? It was released a while back, the only thing that was redacted from it were specific sources. Having read it, it told him what, where, and how. The system worked, it got useful information to the President's desk. Having seen the memo, it's hard not to blame him and his staff. I think at most, one could ask that it were written better. But he had the information in his hands, and one month to act.

The PDBs were released?

When the commission report was released, that was the first thing I noticed. The PDBs were not given to the commission so I did not finish the report as I thought that was a rather big hole.

"Iraq is a threat to America"

"Iraq has WMD"

"We are liberating Iraq"

"Saddam has links to terrorism"

Oh gee, the list goes on and on..

The memo explained not only the place and method to be attacked, but WHY, gave them a good idea of the kind of people they should be looking for, and who to ask for more information (redacted sources). They had a month and all the powers of the executive branch. It seems unlikely to me that their conspiracy could have survived a month of intense scrutiny. But we'll never know, because there wasn't any. He had the information in his hands! The system worked, it got the knowledge to the decision makers with time to spare. I think that lends no small measure credibility to the vicious lie in question. I'd go so far as to say it takes it from "vicious lie" to an obi-wan-esque "certain point of view."

Hi everyone!

I'm new to this forum and figured I'd waste no time rocking the boat on the subject of 911 conspiracy theory. It's a subject of great interest to me. Here's a link some of you may find interesting. Please try to keep an open mind.

http://www.deceptiondollar.com/ (Deception Dollar)

"Hitler killed 6 million Jews".

I mean seriously, he only killed 2 million, so he's not that bad of a guy!

Okay, that was a really awful attempt at humour. But I figured I'd beat the Nazis to it.

Jews should be killed-Hitler and a bunch of Arabs

"Hitler killed 6 million Jews".

I mean seriously, he only killed 2 million, so he's not that bad of a guy!

Okay, that was a really awful attempt at humour. But I figured I'd beat the Nazis to it.

Actually a Great-Aunt met him. Said he was a charming individual.

The memo explained not only the place and method to be attacked, but WHY, gave them a good idea of the kind of people they should be looking for, and who to ask for more information (redacted sources). They had a month and all the powers of the executive branch. It seems unlikely to me that their conspiracy could have survived a month of intense scrutiny. But we'll never know, because there wasn't any. He had the information in his hands! The system worked, it got the knowledge to the decision makers with time to spare. I think that lends no small measure credibility to the vicious lie in question. I'd go so far as to say it takes it from "vicious lie" to an obi-wan-esque "certain point of view."
do you have an exact date or a link to where it can be read online? i sure would like to read it for myself but im having trouble finding anything but the august 6, 2001 memo

"Hitler killed 6 million Jews".

I mean seriously, he only killed 2 million, so he's not that bad of a guy!

Okay, that was a really awful attempt at humour. But I figured I'd beat the Nazis to it.

He did kill 6 million Jews. Altogether, he and the Nazis are responsible for over 20,000,000 deaths. 6 million Jews, 5 million Poles, etc. etc...

Actually a Great-Aunt met him. Said he was a charming individual.
Downfall did a pretty good job of demonstrating that just because he treated his secretaries well and was nice to his dog it didn't change anything, he was still a total bastard. A really neccisary thing, too. We need to dismantle the notion that evil cackles, wringes it's hands and twists it's mustache.

On the theory that Bush allowed deliberately 9/11, even hating the man deeply I can't neccisarily get behind it. At best I can accept that he drastically underestematited the situation and the threat, that his focus was elsewhere and didn't take it seriously. My criticism is what he did after the fact. Really, the actual people to blame for 9/11 died in the act. Blaming Bush entirely is like asking someone to turn off a hose by putting his hand on the end of it-the problem goes way further back.

Actually a Great-Aunt met him. Said he was a charming individual.

Hitler bought my cousin's grandmother (who is from Germany) her first dress. Yes, this actually happened.

Downfall did a pretty good job of demonstrating that just because he treated his secretaries well and was nice to his dog, he was still a total bastard. A really neccisary thing, too. We need to dismantle the notion that evil cackles, wringes it's hands and twists it's mustache.

On the theory that Bush allowed deliberately 9/11, even hating the man deeply I can't neccisarily get behind it. At best I can accept that he drastically underestematited the situation and the threat, that his focus was elsewhere and didn't take it seriously. My criticism is what he did after the fact. Really, the actual people to blame for 9/11 died in the act. Blaming Bush entirely is like asking someone to turn off a hose by putting his hand on the end of it-the problem goes way further back.

Never suggested he wasn't.

My aunt said many people asked her how could people not notice what he was and she said in person he was a charming man.

My aunt said many people asked her how could people not notice what he was and she said in person he was a charming man.

Most tyrants are.

He did kill 6 million Jews. Altogether, he and the Nazis are responsible for over 20,000,000 deaths. 6 million Jews, 5 million Poles, etc. etc...
Yes, that's why my post mentioned in the last line that it was a bad attempt at humour. 'twas an imitation of the Nazi-types.

Yes, that's why my post mentioned in the last line that it was a bad attempt at humour. 'twas an imitation of the Nazi-types.

Ah, okay. I missed that. Sorry about that.

The most vicious political lie ever:

"The Holocaust never happened."

and the equally ugly flip side to that

"president bush knew all about 9/11 before it happened and did nothing to stop it"
That's the one that I totally despise! :(

Never suggested he wasn't.

My aunt said many people asked her how could people not notice what he was and she said in person he was a charming man.
I need to do a better job of differentiating between when I'm disagreeing with someone and when I'm merely adding to what their saying. Sorry for the implication, it wasn't intended.

"president bush knew all about 9/11 before it happened and did nothing to stop it"

He probably did know about it, and he probably did do nothing to stop it.

Hitler bought my cousin's grandmother (who is from Germany) her first dress. Yes, this actually happened.

Those are always intersting stories. Never fails to get a "really?!?!"

I like one and old guy told me when I worked for the goverment. He spoke of his grandmother in Chicago. She talked about comming to this country and her life. She used to get visted by a nice young man who loved old country cooking. A real nice boy by the name of Alphonse Capone. :eek:

He said she also used to say she didn't understand all the talk about violence in Chicago. She said her street was rather safe.

Hmmm I wonder why grandma! :D

Those are always intersting stories. Never fails to get a "really?!?!"

I like one and old guy told me when I worked for the goverment. He spoke of his grandmother in Chicago. She talked about comming to this country and her life. She used to get visted by a nice young man who loved old country cooking. A real nice boy by the name of Alphonse Capone. :eek:

He said she also used to say she didn't understand all the talk about violence in Chicago. She said her street was rather safe.

Hmmm I wonder why grandma! :D

ROFL

The most vicious political lie ever:

"The Holocaust never happened."

That one drives me bonkers. One of my great-uncles liberated one of the smaller camps. What he saw there bugged him the rest of his life.

oh there is plenty of blame to be laid at the door of the oval office. john ashcroft actually banned people from mentioning the name OSAMA BIN LADEN to him.

but that is quite different from knowing time place and method and letting it happen. that they did not know.

exactly

it matters not if you know who... you must know where, what and when to be able to stop something like that.

That you've heard? List them here. One of the worst IMO was this one:

"The left was overjoyed about the 9/11 attacks on America."
This one is right up there with the statements about GWB allowing the attacks on September 11 to occur. Cynthia McKinney is the most prominent American to promote that lie.

He probably did know about it, and he probably did do nothing to stop it.
You don't call yourself a "conspiracy theorist" for nothing, do ya? ;)

This one is right up there with the statements about GWB allowing the attacks on September 11 to occur. Cynthia McKinney is the most prominent American to promote that lie.
I agree about that, it's a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Who is Cynthia McKinney?

"We're not racist" The Conservative Party.
"We're not racist" The BNP
And UKIP said... (you know the drill)

The most vicious political lie ever:

"The Holocaust never happened."

Definately, and easily disproven, too. My grandfather was an advance scout in WWII, and as such was usually the first one into a situation. He uncovered several mass graves, and saw a few massacred villages. I don't see how people can claim the holocaust never happened. I suppose all the photos I have are faked? :rolleyes:

The most vicious political lie ever:

"The Holocaust never happened."

i'm not sure. i mean, it's such a stupid lie, and is almost always followed by the distinct impression that the speaker thinks it would have been a good idea in any case. it just seems dumb to me.

Just about anything that comes out of Michael Moore's mouth.

And, up until his retirement, anything from Dan Rather.
You know sometimes you sound mature and sometimes it sounds like you haven't even figured out if you should take honors english in high school or go doink a cheerleader or two and swig it up. That's too bad.

"Gunga Dan" had it wrong huh?

Bush's (search) Texas Air National Guard service are missing from the military records released about his service in 1972 and 1973, according to regulations and outside experts.
For example, Air National Guard (search) regulations at the time required commanders to write an investigative report for the Air Force when Bush missed his annual medical exam in 1972. The regulations also required commanders to confirm in writing that Bush received counseling after missing five months of drills.
No such records have been made public and the government told The Associated Press in response to a Freedom of Information Act (search) lawsuit that it has released all records it can find.
Outside experts suggest that National Guard commanders back then may not have produced the documentation required by their own regulations.
"One of the downfalls back then in the National Guard was that not everyone wanted to be chief of staff of the Air Force. They just wanted to fly or maintain airplanes. So the record keeping could have been better," said retired Maj. Gen. Paul A. Weaver Jr., a former head of the Air National Guard. He said the documents may not have been kept in the first place.
(from foxnews.com)

Bush says he's released all his records...if that's true, then has anyone seen:
· Any pages from Bush's flight log
· Records from the Flight Inquiry Board convened after Bush was suspended as a pilot
· Any evidence of Bush's reclassification into another AFSC after suspension as a pilot
· Any photos of George Bush in a military uniform after 1972
· Anything at all from any Alabama unit with Bush's name on it
· Any copies of form 44a from the Alabama National Guard certifying attendance
· Air Force Form 142 (Aviation Service Audit Worksheet)
· Anything proving service (not just receipt of pay) by Bush between May 1972 and May 1973?

--
"He volunteered to go to Vietnam."
-- Bush campaign chairman Marc Racicot, [2/23/04], on National Public Radio
"No, I didn't."
-- President Bush, Feb. 8, responding to a question on NBC's "Meet the Press" about whether he volunteered to go to Vietnam