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Yes, improbable as it is, Liverpool have triumphed over A.C. Milan to claim their fifth European Cup. After A.C. dominated the first half (3-0), even the most optimistic Liverpool fan would have been hard pressed to find a way back. But 7 minutes of brilliance put paid to that! The shoot-out was always somewhat of a foregone conclusion (ever heard of destiny?), and the scouse came through with flying colours! Congratulations Liverpool on winning the '04/05 Champioins League!

Liverpool's amazing victory has also opened a can of worms with the English F.A. writing a letter to U.E.F.A. asking for Liverpool to defend the title. I personally feel that whilst Liverpool deserve to defend their title, Everton have tried so valiantly all season and to be denied would be a cruel blow. What are your thoughts on this amazing turn of events?

Well they may have won the Champions League and well done to them, but they weren't even good enough to finish in the top four in England. I think thats says it all. No way should Everton lose out.

Kick Man U out. No one'll mind. Especially that nice American chap.

Liverpool's amazing victory has also opened a can of worms with the English F.A. writing a letter to U.E.F.A. asking for Liverpool to defend the title.


According to the BBC and the UEFA spokesman, the F.A. have said that Liverpool will not be put forward for the CL spot next year.

"We can't change them in the middle of the season. The FA has said Everton are the fourth English club to qualify."

Source (http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4581317.stm)

personally i believe that both dudeks saves in the penalty shoot out should have not counted. The penalty's should have been retaken as he came miles off the line and so he was able to save penaltys he wouldnt have if hed stayed on the line like he should. Saying that im glad they did win but i dont think they should be allowed to take evertons place, they should boot isreal out of it.

Let's see: Champion's League winners, or fourth in the Premiership? Hmmm...

Seriously, excellent though Everton's achievement was, it shouldn't merit a place in the Champion's League. Christ, Arsenal and Man U shouldn't be in either; I thought this was a tournament for champions?

Well if the lines man and the ref didn't call it its pretty tough, although i agree the first one was about a yard off his line, but that said, it wasn't a good penalty and if he had chosent he same way i think he would have saved it. Milans penalty takers were shocking.

Kudos to Djibriel Cisse though, after breaking his leg in two places last September, and being told he might not play again, he scored a penalty to complete an amazing comeback.

I thought this was a tournament for champions?

yes, top 4 teams in each country go into it. Liverpool wn the final but their premeriship performance was pretty poor.

Let's see: Champion's League winners, or fourth in the Premiership? Hmmm...

Seriously, excellent though Everton's achievement was, it shouldn't merit a place in the Champion's League. Christ, Arsenal and Man U shouldn't be in either; I thought this was a tournament for champions?

It was, then the other clubs started bitching about revenue loss etc, such a pain, football is no longer a sport its a business.

personally i believe that both dudeks saves in the penalty shoot out should have not counted. The penalty's should have been retaken as he came miles off the line and so he was able to save penaltys he wouldnt have if hed stayed on the line like he should.
Aye but then the referee had to make a few concessions to his second half bias (I missed the first half but also heard that Crespo should have been given offside for one of his). Did any decisions go liverpools way in the second half. Gattuso, as last man, trips Gerrard in the area. Escapes without a booking? etc etc

No one stays on the line for penalties anymore. It's like speeding. As long as you're not over the limit by a ridiculous amount, no one cares. Anyway, you know it was the wobbly legs trick that mattered

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Aye but then the referee had to make a few concessions to his second half bias (I missed the first half but also heard that Crespo should have been given offside for one of his). Did any decisions go liverpools way in the second half. Gattuso, as last man, trips Gerrard in the area. Escapes without a booking? etc etc

No one stays on the line for penalties anymore. It's like speeding. As long as you're not over the limit by a ridiculous amount, no one cares. Anyway, you know it was the wobbly legs trick that mattered

true they did put them off, but still. He was clearly off the line, in a penalty that means alot becuase the goal keeper then has alot less to move in order to save a goal and most keepers so manage to stay on the line. Lehmann did, Alumnia does and he saved more then dudek in the shotout he was in

Aye but then the referee had to make a few concessions to his second half bias (I missed the first half but also heard that Crespo should have been given offside for one of his). Did any decisions go liverpools way in the second half. Gattuso, as last man, trips Gerrard in the area. Escapes without a booking? etc etc

No one stays on the line for penalties anymore. It's like speeding. As long as you're not over the limit by a ridiculous amount, no one cares. Anyway, you know it was the wobbly legs trick that mattered

I just thought him jumping around waving his arms like one of those guys with the battons for guiding planes at the airport was quite funny. :D

Disgraceful.

Lehmann did, Alumnia does and he saved more then dudek in the shotout he was in
yeah but remember, dudek's a shortass. he has to be on the six-yard line before he looks as big as Lehmann

I just thought him jumping around waving his arms like one of those guys with the battons for guiding planes at the airport was quite funny. :D
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yeah but remember, dudek's a shortass. he has to be on the six-yard line before he looks as big as Lehmann

That means Barthez must stand next to the ball to look big...

yeah but remember, dudek's a shortass. he has to be on the six-yard line before he looks as big as Lehmann

his problem to be honest. should learn to jump further

his problem to be honest. should learn to jump further
ooh, now you're just being Height-Discriminatory. I propose a sliding scale of goalkeeper positioning and goal size in the case of penalties, based on height and ability respectively. I also propose that competitions be downgraded slightly so no one feels like they have lost as this may promote bad feeling and aggression

I just thought him jumping around waving his arms like one of those guys with the battons for guiding planes at the airport was quite funny. :D
it was :D

I'm sure it caused some problems for Milans to focus...It shouldn't on that level but it still does.

btw that's my method if I ever play football. Screaming, running straight at someone and waving hands rapidly is the only way I can get the ball from someone :D
It only works once or twice :(

Given that someone (can't recall name) lay down in front of Garcia and waved his arms to stop the shot just before the second goal and the bearded guy shoved Gerrard for the penalty Milan could (read bloody well should) have been on 9 men.

it was :D

I'm sure it caused some problems for Milans to focus...It shouldn't on that level but it still does.

btw that's my method if I ever play football. Screaming, running straight at someone and waving hands rapidly is the only way I can get the ball from someone :D
It only works once or twice :(

lol awwwwwwwwwww :fluffle:

I have to admit if i had a crazy flapping pole jumping up and down in front of me i might be a bit worried...

personally i believe that both dudeks saves in the penalty shoot out should have not counted. The penalty's should have been retaken as he came miles off the line and so he was able to save penaltys he wouldnt have if hed stayed on the line like he should. Saying that im glad they did win but i dont think they should be allowed to take evertons place, they should boot isreal out of it.

Yeah, I see your point, but the officials didn't see it, and its in the past anyway. Anyhow, Serginho missed, and Sheva hit his spot kick straight at Dudek, so even though his save from Pirlo shouldn't have counted, all Gerrard needed to do was slot home one more penalty and Liverpool would have won anyway.

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personally i believe that both dudeks saves in the penalty shoot out should have not counted. The penalty's should have been retaken as he came miles off the line and so he was able to save penaltys he wouldnt have if hed stayed on the line like he should. Saying that im glad they did win but i dont think they should be allowed to take evertons place, they should boot isreal out of it.

Why should they boot Israel out of it. Israel is a UEFA just like any other country in Greater Europe (yeh its really in Asia but Israel is discriminated against but so is turkey) so if we should boot israel out of it lets also boot out england, scotland, wales, ireland, iceland, turkey, and the eastern part of russia because they are not on the continent of Europe either they are either on islands off the coast or in asia.

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I find this conversation silly. I'm going to divert it back on track.

It now seems that Liverpool (and Everton, for that matter) are going to have to wait 3 more weeks to find out whether they can defend their CL title. There will be lots of anxiety in Merseyside, I can tell you that.

I find this conversation silly. I'm going to divert it back on track.

It now seems that Liverpool (and Everton, for that matter) are going to have to wait 3 more weeks to find out whether they can defend their CL title. There will be lots of anxiety in Merseyside, I can tell you that.

I think Liverpool will get in, but not at the expense of everton, i think a play off with a smaller team is more likely somehow.

I think Liverpool will get in, but not at the expense of everton, i think a play off with a smaller team is more likely somehow.

Yeah, notice how the smaller leagues always get the finger...

I think it's ridiculous that the winner isn't given automatic entry to defend their title.

Personally, I'm a Collingwood supporter.

I think it's ridiculous that the winner isn't given automatic entry to defend their title.
Tis the same with the World Cup NO?

Tis the same with the World Cup NO?

Yup, that rule only came in after the last world cup though IIRC.

Yeah, notice how the smaller leagues always get the finger...

Well, they would probably make smore money from that one game, than travelling to the other side of europe to some other small team. So it might not be a disadvantage.

Tis the same with the World Cup NO?

Dunno, I'm not too familiar with all the ins & outs of the various soccer comps.

Real Madrid got in few seasons back, though they won the Champions League and got 5th in their league.

I don't see any reason why Liverpool shouldn't either. Just let them in. Everton and Manyoo is going to have their playoffs for a spot anyway and any can lose.

Who knows, all 5 British clubs might be in, wouldn't that be great?

If the numbers ain't equal, then bring in another team from some another league, like maybe the 3rd place team from France (for example) to playoff versus LIverpool for a qualifying place.

It's all down to FA. Not UEFA. Me thinks FA has something against Liverpool. Just sourgrapes or something.

Yup, that rule only came in after the last world cup though IIRC.
Yeah thats what i thought!
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Yeah when did the current rule come in-the one we are talking about?

Real Madrid got in few seasons back, though they won the Champions League and got 5th in their league.

I don't see any reason why Liverpool shouldn't either. Just let them in. Everton and Manyoo is going to have their playoffs for a spot anyway and any can lose.

Who knows, all 5 British clubs might be in, wouldn't that be great?

If the numbers ain't equal, then bring in another team from some another league, like maybe the 3rd place team from France (for example) to playoff versus LIverpool for a qualifying place.

It's all down to FA. Not UEFA. Me thinks FA has something against Liverpool. Just sourgrapes or something.

Real Madrid only got in because Real Zaragoza gave up their place. But can your seriously see Everton giving up their place to Liverpool?

No?

Good me neither :D

Yeah thats what i thought!
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Yeah when did the current rule come in-the one we are talking about?

That the winner of the cahmpions league wasn't auto in the next season?

Its always been like that since it became the Champions League. Before that when it was the European Cup i'm not sure...

That the winner of the cahmpions league wasn't auto in the next season?

Its always been like that since it became the Champions League. Before that when it was the European Cup i'm not sure...
Ok so when did it become the champions league?

Ok so when did it become the champions league?

92/93 season IIRC.