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I highly value my sleep but recent events have caused me to avoid sleeping, especially at night.

A year ago, when I first came to my current duty station, I was went to sleep in my room.
As is sometimes my custom, I was sleeping on my belly. Sleeping on your belly prevents evil spirits from taking over and in my teen years and early twenties, I would have episodes where I would wake up but not be in control of my body. I would be like consciencious but not in control. I couldn't even open my eyes, kind of like being suppressed while something else is trying to take over. I always regained control after ordering what it was away in the name of Christ.
Whenever I invoked Christ's name I would get control over my body again and be able to open my eyes, move my lips, etc. And the feeling of dread and fear would dissappear. Cause everytime I woke up like that there was always an intense feeling of dread and intense fear. And it felt like there was an evil presence in the room with me. But when I mention christ in my head, it always disappeared.

One time, I was running with some friends. Actually me and my brother were running and our friends were riding in a car. One time I ran into this park to get some water. And I saw this thing with red eyes staring at me through the reflection on my glasses. I was bent over the fountain so the thing was above me when I saw it. I figured I was likely imagining it. I looked up and there was nothing there. I bent back down to the fountain to get a sip, and there it was again, being reflected off my glasses. Again I look back up and nothing there. I say quick prayer and briskly walk away from the fountain and out of the park. I start jogging to get my pace back. Then I hear my friend shout "holy shit, run faster". My heart already pounding from the experience, I start taking off as fast as I could run. I turn around occasionally, cause I felt this thing was running was after me. Finally I jump in the car and we like sped the f out of there.

There was another time, afterward. In 1995. My mother had just died that day. I was watching TV when I felt something cold move right through me. And there was no air conditioning on and it was hot that day.

When I was Korea, I had was on guard duty one time, with a KATUSA. And we were doing our patrol. And there was this bunker and every time we passed it, I would feel that something was in there watching. The Katusa (Korean assigned to United States Army) said he thought he saw something move in there. He described it as a dark shadow that had moved. I got the same feeling at another side of the post that we were patrolling but that was in the city.

This brings me to the my current station, Fort Huachuca which I will describe in the next post. Or rather I will be describing my experiences in the next post.

I highly value my sleep but recent events have caused me to avoid sleeping, especially at night.

A year ago, when I first came to my current duty station, I was went to sleep in my room.
As is sometimes my custom, I was sleeping on my belly. Sleeping on your belly prevents evil spirits from taking over and in my teen years and early twenties, I would have episodes where I would wake up but not be in control of my body. I would be like consciencious but not in control. I couldn't even open my eyes, kind of like being suppressed while something else is trying to take over. I always regained control after ordering what it was away in the name of Christ.
Whenever I invoked Christ's name I would get control over my body again and be able to open my eyes, move my lips, etc. And the feeling of dread and fear would dissappear. Cause everytime I woke up like that there was always an intense feeling of dread and intense fear. And it felt like there was an evil presence in the room with me. But when I mention christ in my head, it always disappeared.

One time, I was running with some friends. Actually me and my brother were running and our friends were riding in a car. One time I ran into this park to get some water. And I saw this thing with red eyes staring at me through the reflection on my glasses. I was bent over the fountain so the thing was above me when I saw it. I figured I was likely imagining it. I looked up and there was nothing there. I bent back down to the fountain to get a sip, and there it was again, being reflected off my glasses. Again I look back up and nothing there. I say quick prayer and briskly walk away from the fountain and out of the park. I start jogging to get my pace back. Then I hear my friend shout "holy shit, run faster". My heart already pounding from the experience, I start taking off as fast as I could run. I turn around occasionally, cause I felt this thing was running was after me. Finally I jump in the car and we like sped the f out of there.

There was another time, afterward. In 1995. My mother had just died that day. I was watching TV when I felt something cold move right through me. And there was no air conditioning on and it was hot that day.

When I was Korea, I had was on guard duty one time, with a KATUSA. And we were doing our patrol. And there was this bunker and every time we passed it, I would feel that something was in there watching. The Katusa (Korean assigned to United States Army) said he thought he saw something move in there. He described it as a dark shadow that had moved. I got the same feeling at another side of the post that we were patrolling but that was in the city.

This brings me to the my current station, Fort Huachuca which I will describe in the next post. Or rather I will be describing my experiences in the next post.
Ut oh. I've heard Fort Huachuca is haunted! A friend of mine was there for a couple of years and swore up and down that it was.

Sorry you've had those kind of experiences over the years. I've had a few like that, but it was never anything I could put my finger on. I would feel as though someone ( or some thing? ) was staring at me and the hair on the back of my neck would stand up, but when I turned around, there was nothing there. That's not happened to me since Vietnam though.

I am watching TBN with its christian music as I type this cause christian music and christian shows keep "them" at bay.

Well, my 4th week here, I was in my room sleeping no my belly. Cause that's supposed to prevent evil spirits from taking over. Well in my dream I was in this gallery. And we was on this tour complete with tour guide and all. And I remember not really hearing what the guide was saying. Then we was in this gallery of dinosaurs and this had this life like replica of a dinosaur that looked like a cross between T Rex and Godzilla. And I felt that this dino replica was looking back at me like it was alive and aware. I stood there and stared at it. It didn't move or anything, I just had the feeling it was alive. When the group passed me, I rejoined it but then I the hairs on the back of my neck stood up and I felt something breathing down my neck. I thought, it was alive and its right behind me. I did not turn around to see. Well that was when I woke up. And even though I was awake, I still felt something was breathing down my neck and the hairs on my neck and the back of my head were standing on end. I didn't want to see whatever it was that was causing it so I kept my eyes closed and pretended to still be asleep. It stayed so I started praying again, and invoking the name of christ and then it left and I was able to open my eyes. My heart was pounding, I was scared shitless. I checked the time: 0200 in the morning. I got up and put in a christian CD. Cause for some reason christian music keeps them away. I found out the next day that the female that arrived the same day I did, her boyfriend hung himself in the next building at the exact same time that I had this experience. But I think it is possible that the thing breathing down my neck was older as symbolized by it being a dinosaur in my dream.

In my next post will be my encounters at the post gym and at the Denny's in Sierra Vista.

Ut oh. I've heard Fort Huachuca is haunted! A friend of mine was there for a couple of years and swore up and down that it was.

Sorry you've had those kind of experiences over the years. I've had a few like that, but it was never anything I could put my finger on. I would feel as though someone ( or some thing? ) was staring at me and the hair on the back of my neck would stand up, but when I turned around, there was nothing there. That's not happened to me since Vietnam though.
thanks. Its good to know that I am not alone. I've always been afraid to talk about them but recent events compell me.

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I hate to tell you, but sleeping on your belly won't determine if a spirit possses you or not. They tend to possess the emotionally/physically/mentally fatigued, so it seems to me. Now, my take on the invocation of Christ is this: Possession can be banished by a strong intent or desire for it do be so, imo. You have to overpower whatever is in control, which is why you invoke Christ, correct? You believe in Christ, that Christ is stronger than it, but your belief in the fact that it will be banished (albeit by Christ) is what does it, not Christ. Though, I suppose in an indirect way, one could state that Christ would be responsible, since it is your belief in the strength of Christ that banishes it...if I'm making any sense at all. By the way, I'm not implying anything about your belief in Christ, or Christ's abilities to aid you.

The best thing to do, when confronted with the uknown, is to do your best to remain calm. Have you considered that whatever it was wants you upset? Perhaps needs it? I've known a few people who have dealt with spirits, of varying faiths, and it seems that if you 1)Believe in yourself, and your ability to banish the unwanted presence, and 2) remain calm, it's rather likely you'll succeed. However, by and large, spirits are rather harmless, and it would appear most are often unaware you're there.

Edit: It would seem, based on what you've said, that you're rather perceptive of the spirits around you. I'd suggest you take some time learning what can be done to tune down your perception, etc.

I never heard of the sleeping on your belly part to be honest :p. Don't think it works.

Usually for a Christian, you can never get possessed. The Holy Spirit won't allow to share room with a demonic spirit. Usually what your getting is spiritual suppression. ( it happen, especially someone is trying to do vodoo shit on you, happen to my dad who used to do missionary work).

Anyway, I suggest you see your local pastor/priest and ask him to pray with you.

Sometimes it isn't spiritual, it could be also mental, like my friend thought he was followed everywhere, after my Pastor prayed with her, he found out it was just stress and just that she had a stalker before.

I hate to tell you, but sleeping on your belly won't determine if a spirit possses you or not. They tend to possess the emotionally/physically/mentally fatigued, so it seems to me. Now, my take on the invocation of Christ is this: Possession can be banished by a strong intent or desire for it do be so, imo. You have to overpower whatever is in control, which is why you invoke Christ, correct? You believe in Christ, that Christ is stronger than it, but your belief in the fact that it will be banished (albeit by Christ) is what does it, not Christ. Though, I suppose in an indirect way, one could state that Christ would be responsible, since it is your belief in the strength of Christ that banishes it...if I'm making any sense at all. By the way, I'm not implying anything about your belief in Christ, or Christ's abilities to aid you.

The best thing to do, when confronted with the uknown, is to do your best to remain calm. Have you considered that whatever it was wants you upset? Perhaps needs it? I've known a few people who have dealt with spirits, of varying faiths, and it seems that if you 1)Believe in yourself, and your ability to banish the unwanted presence, and 2) remain calm, it's rather likely you'll succeed. However, by and large, spirits are rather harmless, and it would appear most are often unaware you're there.

You remember that movie, I think it was Dark Angel with Keanue Reeve (spelling) where he said that "if you can see them they can see you". I think that might be true and that they might be aware of my presence.

You remember that movie, I think it was Dark Angel with Keanue Reeve (spelling) where he said that "if you can see them they can see you". I think that might be true and that they might be aware of my presence.

Constatine was the movie, and was bloody brilliant, imo.

And yes, actually, you/he are right. If you're able to see them, they're more likely to perceive you. I've had my run ins with spirits of all sorts, and while I don't like them at all, I am able to deal with them just fine.

I've run into spirits too. Though I don't believe in Holywood potrayal of things.

Do what I always do.. If your in trouble by something you think it's spiritual, don't hide it. Go find help. Don't worry, I think your pastor/priest whatever should be most helpful.

If you're this delusional, you should be discharged from the army. You're a danger to yourself and your unit.

If you're this delusional, you should be discharged from the army. You're a danger to yourself and your unit.

There goes a large number of service personal wordwide, in many different governments' armies that believe in the supernatural. *rolls eyes*

Tale of the Barnes Field House Gym. When I was first assigned to the gym, someone told me about the pool. The pool was supposed to have ghosts. I thought they were playing around at the time. But everytime I would close for the night, I would always try to avoid the pool and try to avoid the dark rooms. Areas I would especially avoid would be the pool and the aerobics room. People have reported encountering this little boy at the entrance to the pool and another entity that was always under the stairs in the pool area.
I would always sense that something was there everytime I walked through the pool area to get to the laundry room to wash and retrieve towels.
Well, the last few weeks I was there, this E6 I was working with said that the night before when they were closing, he was in the pool having just put in a load of towels for the night, he was leaving and just as he was leaving, he felt someone was standing right directly behind him and the hairs on his neck and head were standing on end. He turned around and no one was there.
The same thing happened when he turned off the lights in the strength training room except that this time, something hit him. But again there was nothing there.
The next day, everyone was talking about what happened to him. I was like, whoa, I've been feeling there was something here. Every time I turned off the lights in the aerobics room, I would feel that there was something in the room with me. I would always feel, when I was locking the doors, that something was in the boxing cage watching me. We locked the doors 60 minutes before closing so there were still people using the basketball court which is where the boxing cage was located.
Well, the following week, it was my turn to close, and I had the same experience in the pool area, with my hairs standing on end. This time I didn't just sense them, I felt them behind so close that I probably could have touched it. People were like why didn't I say something before. I said, why do you think every time I leave I walk all the out of the parking lot, walk down the middle of parking lot to the sidewalk? Becuase I was avoiding the pool which has an outdoor patio.
One night I was walking home from the gym, back to the barracks which like right across the street diagonally. And turned for moment after I passed this one bush and there saw this face of an appartion with a beared staring at me. I spat at it and it vanished. I was like, "you want to f with me mother f er I spit in your face. Take that." And turned back to where the face was and it was gone. It was ghostly face without a body and it was in the bush. The bush was dry branches and the face was ghostly white and staring at me.
I was fired up and like F you mother f er.
Other times I would be walking along and feel something come up behind or feel something lieing in wait for me, and I would be all " You're in my space. You need to back the F up before you get F'd up." And what ever it was would back off.
This last halloween I checked the web for Fort Huachuca and found out that it is haunted. But the list didn't include Barnes Field House. It only had a junior high school and a old base commander's house. Both of which were haunted. But now you can add the post's main gym to that list. Nevermind that part of the post is built on top of an ancient indian burial ground.
But its not just the base that is haunted. The city next to the base is just as haunted.

I used to go to Denny's alot. They were more sanitary than the other restaurants in town.
The website I on which I learned bout the hauntings of Fort Huachuca said that one Sierra Vista restaurant, Daisy Mae's, was haunted also. But I would not know cause I've never been there. But now that I've seen it listed I don't think I will ever go there.
Back to Denny's though. I had two other worldly encounters there.
Well, one time I was using the mens room. Doing a craper you know. When suddenly I hear this eery banging and other eery noise. I felt something evil was in the men's room. It scared me so shitless that I wiped my ass and got the heck out of there. I would finish shitting at home. When I walked out, the hairs on my head were standing on end, my eyes were like bulging out, heart rate was high, face was completely white. And let me tell you, people noticed. I paid my bill but as I did I kept looking back over at the men's expecting something come out. I was in fight or flight mode and I decided that if something did come, it was going to be fight time.
Another time, I when I went there, I saw this one guy walking around in the mddle of the street like he was confused. He was sickly and white. He looked like he'd been fucked up. There was bike in the middle of the road. He started walking toward the restaurant. I went to get the money out of my wallet to pay the cab driver. When I looked back up, both the guy and his bike were gone from the road.
Now, I always talk to the waitresses there. On this occasion, I was seeing stuff. So I was like "I'm seeing dead people." She smiled, like people do when they told something like that. But then I described the person I had seen earlier and that I had I seen him inside the restaurant (which I did). You should have seen her face go white and her jaw drop. She said that some guy on a motorcycle had gotten into an accident in front of the restaurant just an hour before and had been pronounced dead. I had given the guys exact discription without having seen his body. The waitress was really scared after that. But she would always talk to me. But I think that experience with the ghost might have had something to do with her quiting and getting a job somewhere else cause she said she had had other encounters there.

I will repost another encounter I had more recently. I know I posted about it on here somewhere. I just have to find the thread.

There goes a large number of service personal wordwide, in many different governments' armies that believe in the supernatural. *rolls eyes*
every servicemember I've talked to, says they've had experiences similar to mine. What he is proposing would eliminate virtually the entire armed forces.
The was a colonel who said he'd had encounters at the gym too.

There goes a large number of service personal wordwide, in many different governments' armies that believe in the supernatural. *rolls eyes*

So you think it's safe for a soldier to be on duty when they haven't slept for 2-5 days and they believe they are being possessed? Belief in the supernatural is one thing, believing you are possessed is another thing altogether. This guy should speak to his MO.

So you think it's safe for a soldier to be on duty when they haven't slept for 2-5 days and they believe they are being possessed? Belief in the supernatural is one thing, believing you are possessed is another thing altogether. This guy should speak to his MO.

Some branches (mainly special forces) keep their soldiers up for days at a time, driving them to their absolute physical limits. While it's not good that he's not slept, since he had a decreased mental acuity, most likely, it's not dangerous in and of itself.

There's nothing wrong with believing you're possessed, and he's not stated he has believed this to have happened to him for a while, from what I understand. Yes, it'd be wise to speak to his superior officer, because they may know of some ways to help him sleep, and have heard the same thing about the supernatural events he's experienced (and they likely have, if they've been stationed in that area for a while, as I'd assume scuttlebut would circulate up to the officers).

Edit: Whittier, it would seem you're extremely sensetive to apparitions. *shakes head* It's rare to be so, to the extent you are. I'd highly recommend talking to people who have long dealings with them. A priest might be able to help, but there're other people who can, depending on how open you are.

So you think it's safe for a soldier to be on duty when they haven't slept for 2-5 days and they believe they are being possessed? Belief in the supernatural is one thing, believing you are possessed is another thing altogether. This guy should speak to his MO.
not possessed. I don't know what they want. I just know that I don't want to face them. I want to avoid them, cause they scare the crap out of me. But I think they are trying to contact me.

not possessed. I don't know what they want. I just know that I don't want to face them. I want to avoid them, cause they scare the crap out of me. But I think they are trying to contact me.

So you are delusional. See your medical officer. If, as you say, many people in the military suffer from this, then your MO will be able to help you. If you don't want to see your MO, at least go and see your chaplain.

Well, to be honest, it wold also scare the sh*t outta me. I never really had an encounter with the "supernatural"...well, my maths teacher is evil, but... ;)

not possessed. I don't know what they want. I just know that I don't want to face them. I want to avoid them, cause they scare the crap out of me. But I think they are trying to contact me.

As said, most aren't aware you're even there. Some might be, and yes, they may want to contact you. Others are more..malign, but those are very rare. As said, don't let yourself get upset. You're a soldier, trained to handle life and death situations, things which civilians ordinarily can't handle..don't think of them as the enemy, but more.."unexplored territory" to proceed cautiously through. Does that help?

I had these dreams.

They were both this year.

The first dream, I was talking to the angel of death himself. But I wasn't afraid of him for some odd reason. And we were like having a conversation. Like "Yo death what's up?" kind of conversation.
And the subject turned to my demise. For some reason, he kept pointing to my belly. And I was like, no I ain't going like that. I am going to go peacefully as an old man in my 120's. And he swung this sword toward my belly and I jumped back. There was blood on his sword but I ignored it. Then I was telling him not to take that one girl. The one that I really really liked at the time. Actually I was kind of pleading with him on it. I was like "take me but leave her". Kind of reminds you of the country song "Don't take the girl". Then I woke up. The weird thing is that I found out a month after the dream that i had this big ass hernia and that if I didn't get it operated on, I would die from it. I am still recovering from the operation to repair it. I'm on con leave for the next 3 weeks cause of it. The doctor said that when he went in to repair it, it looked like the perenial sack had been cut by something sharp. Thing is that that there was no cut, wound, scar or anything on the skin. The hernia was the size that it was a fist size bulge just above the nut sack. But when I heard him say that, guess what came back into mind? That dream where I was talking to the angel of death. I think I was supposed to die from complications during the surgery but that I was given another chance instead.

Between the dream and my surgery I had another encounter with the angel of death in my dream.
I was in a dark plaza, waiting for another soldier to come by with a humvee. And this light post kept flickering off and on. And I had the chills. After awhile, the guy shows up and I jump in the humvee. The hairs on the back of my neck are standing on end. I look back at the light post and it goes dark momentarily and this black shadow starts emerging from where the bulb is. And I was like, "behold, the angel of death on the move". And it was huge and it was like floating on the ground. In the dream I had like binocular view and I was able to zoom in. It was a dark featureless shadow that was floating at high speed above the ground. It was moving like it had a purpose, a destination, and a schedule to keep. I forgot where it was going.

Those are my encounters with the angel of death. In the second dream, he did't talk to me though. I just observed it with awe and respect. Like, you don't pull on superman's cape. You don't pull the mask off ole long ranger and you don't fuck around with Mr. Death. Kind of like the song.

One more dream to come.

the next dream I had, I made a thread bout.
Here is the link to the original post.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7940142&postcount=1

the odd thing here is that after the dream, I would feel the presences of entities but it was different. It was like they were moving out my way. It be like they were gathered but then they would open up and create a path as if they were afraid of me.
And I had this wierd feeling like it had been given to me from on high to put the spirits under my foot.

now for the weird shit.

A week ago, I was posting on here. My tv is behind me.

Well, when I posted, I turned around for a sec. and there was this face looking at me from the tv. And it wasn't the news anchor.
I have a digital flat screen tv. well the face I saw was a ghostly overprint inside the tv screen. And it tried to conceal itself by merging with the face of the news anchor. But the outline was darker and it made the image distort. The odd thing is that I don't get broadcast tv, I only get cable. that is all we can get here. And it is digital cable.
Another time, the tv started going fuzzy like an old analog tube. But its not an anolog tv. It's an LCD.

And just a couple of days ago, I was at the computer, working on my site. When the monitor started flickering in weird manner, sending chills up my spine and making my hair stand on end. I shut the monitor and the computer off for a while. And turned on the christian music.

Since then, I have not slept.

And here is the weird stuff. Since I've been here, late at night, I would here noise coming from upstairs like people running, shouting, and loud music. Except for one thing. There is no upstairs. I am on the top floor in the barracks.

not possessed. I don't know what they want. I just know that I don't want to face them. I want to avoid them, cause they scare the crap out of me. But I think they are trying to contact me.

I can't be bothered to read all the lengthy posts, but I am curious ... what makes you think they're malevolent? Why are you scared? There is nothing to be afraid of, you know.

If they're trying to contact you, listen. See what they want. Then determine your course of action. Now go get some sleep.

I can't be bothered to read all the lengthy posts, but I am curious ... what makes you think they're malevolent? Why are you scared? There is nothing to be afraid of, you know.

If they're trying to contact you, listen. See what they want. Then determine your course of action. Now go get some sleep.
I aint' going to attempt to contact anything unless there is someone else in the same room with me. Preferably 7 other people.

I was walking back from the PX the other night and one of them tried to trip me. They was lieing in wait for. I tried to tell them to back off but it didn't work this time. Cause my hair was still on end. It didn't end until I invoked the name of christ again. Then they backed off. They was trying to ambush me.

I aint' going to attempt to contact anything unless there is someone else in the same room with me. Preferably 7 other people.

That's understandable, but as I've said before, and I cannot stress enough, it's very unlikely you'll ever come across a truly malevolent being.

Go see your doctor and your chaplain, in whatever order you like.
The not sleeping is only going to make this worse. If it's hallucinations brought on from lack of sleep, they'll get worse as you avoid sleep, and if it is something malevolent as you believe, by not sleeping you are only becoming weaker and easier to manipulate.

Get help now.

That's understandable, but as I've said before, and I cannot stress enough, it's very unlikely you'll ever come across a truly malevolent being.
points to above post. It that wasn't malevolent then what do you call it?

points to above post. It that wasn't malevolent then what do you call it?
If it was something malevolent, it would 1) Harass you, by attempting to terrorize you with sounds. 2) Attempt to attack you. etc.

What you're doing is misunderstanding intentions. It may be something that's desperate for human contact, for a sense of a life that it lost abruptly, and wishes to regain. It may have unfinished business and require the help of the living. I can't say for certain, because I'm not there. But Kat's right. You need to talk to someone, asap.

You just lost the last tiny bit of credibility you had. :eek:

Ein Deutscher']You just lost the last tiny bit of credibility you had. :eek:

Why's that?

Why's that?
... People who believe in the supernatural or god don't have too much credibility in my opinion.

i had something like that happen to me, it was in a cold dark room, neways i reckon you should get your room/ living area/ country exocised ^^

The was a colonel who said he'd had encounters at the gym too.

Isn't this sort of thing against Military regulations?

Please don't take offense, but I think your being paranoid. Though, to be perfectly honest, it is true that just becuase your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

After all, I have had the feeling as well (without the possessions mind you, I'm Aethiest, wouldn't stand for having some bloody spirit trying to take ME over), especially near my ex gfs house. Apparantly there was a rather nasty murder there. Curtains moved n everything, and we had sat and watched the house before, noone was there. Ever. Kinda freaky.

Well even if they can all be explained, they make an interesting story :p

I advise you get some sleep, a lack of it will probably just make things worse, and if this is truly happening to you, then it is obviously for a reason.

Unless ghosts and spirits do this kinda stuff for kicks.

Keruvalia is right, you can't run away from this stuff, so you might as well confront it and find out what they want.

I thought I saw the Angel of death one time, but then again, I was eight and had a concussion heh ..

Someone needs a checkup from the neck up.

I highly value my sleep but recent events have caused me to avoid sleeping, especially at night.

A year ago, when I first came to my current duty station, I was went to sleep in my room.
As is sometimes my custom, I was sleeping on my belly. Sleeping on your belly prevents evil spirits from taking over and in my teen years and early twenties, I would have episodes where I would wake up but not be in control of my body. I would be like consciencious but not in control. I couldn't even open my eyes, kind of like being suppressed while something else is trying to take over. I always regained control after ordering what it was away in the name of Christ.
Whenever I invoked Christ's name I would get control over my body again and be able to open my eyes, move my lips, etc. And the feeling of dread and fear would dissappear. Cause everytime I woke up like that there was always an intense feeling of dread and intense fear. And it felt like there was an evil presence in the room with me. But when I mention christ in my head, it always disappeared.

One time, I was running with some friends. Actually me and my brother were running and our friends were riding in a car. One time I ran into this park to get some water. And I saw this thing with red eyes staring at me through the reflection on my glasses. I was bent over the fountain so the thing was above me when I saw it. I figured I was likely imagining it. I looked up and there was nothing there. I bent back down to the fountain to get a sip, and there it was again, being reflected off my glasses. Again I look back up and nothing there. I say quick prayer and briskly walk away from the fountain and out of the park. I start jogging to get my pace back. Then I hear my friend shout "holy shit, run faster". My heart already pounding from the experience, I start taking off as fast as I could run. I turn around occasionally, cause I felt this thing was running was after me. Finally I jump in the car and we like sped the f out of there.

There was another time, afterward. In 1995. My mother had just died that day. I was watching TV when I felt something cold move right through me. And there was no air conditioning on and it was hot that day.

When I was Korea, I had was on guard duty one time, with a KATUSA. And we were doing our patrol. And there was this bunker and every time we passed it, I would feel that something was in there watching. The Katusa (Korean assigned to United States Army) said he thought he saw something move in there. He described it as a dark shadow that had moved. I got the same feeling at another side of the post that we were patrolling but that was in the city.

This brings me to the my current station, Fort Huachuca which I will describe in the next post. Or rather I will be describing my experiences in the next post.

Tell it to go away. I have 'things' for want of a better word in my house, who I think are usually good but have freaked me out on occasion. This spirt could be attracted to your energy levels. Some of us are just more sensitive to that sort of thing than others. I've had some pretty scary experiences myself recently.

This is what happens when you eliminate regimental baths, changing parades and drill tests.

Honestly, what has the modern army come too?

Edit: Some wire wool and dettol will clear this problem right up.

This is what happens when you eliminate regimental baths, changing parades and drill tests.

Honestly, what has the modern army come too?

Edit: Some wire wool and dettol will clear this problem right up.

Yes, there's nothing like marching up and down the square with the RSM to set your mind straight.

I can't decide if you're schizophrenic of trying to pull our legs. The first part about not being able to move sounds like sleep paralysis where you cannot move but are awake because your mind is awake but your body hasn't caught up yet. As for the demonic eyes you saw at the drinking tap, was there an over head light (like the sun or a bulb) to reflect off your glasses? Did your friend see anything at the fountain? Or was he just impatient and wanting you to hurry up? I've read the whole thread (it's too long for me to comment on everything), and I still have no firm conclusions except you should get some sleep, some medical aid and try to remain calm; if you are not pulling our legs...

I hate to tell you, but sleeping on your belly won't determine if a spirit possses you or not. They tend to possess the emotionally/physically/mentally fatigued, so it seems to me. Now, my take on the invocation of Christ is this: Possession can be banished by a strong intent or desire for it do be so, imo. You have to overpower whatever is in control, which is why you invoke Christ, correct? You believe in Christ, that Christ is stronger than it, but your belief in the fact that it will be banished (albeit by Christ) is what does it, not Christ. Though, I suppose in an indirect way, one could state that Christ would be responsible, since it is your belief in the strength of Christ that banishes it...if I'm making any sense at all. By the way, I'm not implying anything about your belief in Christ, or Christ's abilities to aid you.

The best thing to do, when confronted with the uknown, is to do your best to remain calm. Have you considered that whatever it was wants you upset? Perhaps needs it? I've known a few people who have dealt with spirits, of varying faiths, and it seems that if you 1)Believe in yourself, and your ability to banish the unwanted presence, and 2) remain calm, it's rather likely you'll succeed. However, by and large, spirits are rather harmless, and it would appear most are often unaware you're there.

I agree that it is belief rather than Christ that banishes these beings - whatever they might be.

By the way, those who are extremely grounded in the reality that they can only perceive with their 5 senses never seem to be bothered by these beings, so they have no idea what we're even talking about. In their perception, we're just crazy. But it's like anything else - one does not have to be aware of magnetism in order for magnetism to exist, for example. But to experience the benefits of magnetism, it certainly helps to at least be aware of it and to understand it on some level.

Anyway, those of us who realize that we are more than just our brains and our physical bodies do occasionally experience the things described by the originator of this thread, but most of us successfully manage to keep them at bay, with or without Christ to help us.

From personal experience, I know that if you don't sleep for five days you get paranoid and you see things.

From personal experience, I know that if you don't sleep for five days you get paranoid and you see things.

Although this is true, my understanding is that the lack of sleep was due to the extradimensional activity the originator of this thread was experiencing - not vice versa. I could be wrong, of course...

Go see your doctor and your chaplain, in whatever order you like.
The not sleeping is only going to make this worse. If it's hallucinations brought on from lack of sleep, they'll get worse as you avoid sleep, and if it is something malevolent as you believe, by not sleeping you are only becoming weaker and easier to manipulate.

Get help now.

I agree with Kat... you really need to get some help.
I also agree with Kat that getting sleep is a good way to battle this problem.

I have only had negative spiritual experiences a couple times and it also scared the shit out of me. I will never forget it. If you really believe it is spiritual, you need to get someone (or more than one) to pray for you and with you. And yes, there are some who are very much "in tune" with the spiritual realm. It's real and it does happen.

Although this is true, my understanding is that the lack of sleep was due to the extradimensional activity the originator of this thread was experiencing - not vice versa. I could be wrong, of course...

Being in a job that involves firearms isn't something that needs to be combined with paranoid delusions.

Whittier needs help now.

Being in a job that involves firearms isn't something that needs to be combined with paranoid delusions.

Whittier needs help now.
Do you feel that you are qualified to diagnose Whittier as having "paranoid delusions"?

Do you feel that you are qualified to diagnose Whittier as having "paranoid delusions"?

If he hasnt had sleep in 5 days I'd say it was fairly certain.

Do you feel that you are qualified to diagnose Whittier as having "paranoid delusions"?

Yes. The kind of thing he just posted is more than enough to get him sent to the psych ward in the military. And more than enough to get taken off of something like guard duty.

The people that decide not to give you your weapon are usually armorers. I was an armorer, and I have on more than one occasion refused to let someone sign out a weapon, based on comments they made. The commander backed me up in every case.

The system appears to work - there aren't a lot of cases of crazy soldiers shooting up the place.

Yeah, I once felt the presence of ghosts in this old house on the Aran Islands. It felt so cold.

You guys who are supporting Whittier's paranoid delusions should stop posting. It's not often that Whispering Legs and I agree on anything (I think it has happened once before), but Whittier needs some professional help, not schoolboy talk of the supernatural backing up his delusions. He needs to talk to a doctor or a chaplain and he needs to be taken off duty while this problem is sorted out.

The description Whittier gave of waking up and being unable to move, unable to control his body and sensing a presence is a normal state. It's called sleep paralysis. Basically your brain partially paralyzes your body while you sleep in order to keep you from acting out the crazy shit you do in your dreams. Sometimes just before falling fully asleep, or just after awakening the paralyzing effect can be noticed by your conscious mind. It's often accompanied by sounds, like a buzzing, and by the perception that something or someone is in your presence. Sometimes even with visual hallucinations of other beings.

This state is responsible for many accounts of alien abduction and demonic infestation, but it's nothing supernatural. I've experienced it myself, and it's a bit frightening, but nothing dangerous.

The description Whittier gave of waking up and being unable to move, unable to control his body and sensing a presence is a normal state. It's called sleep paralysis. Basically your brain partially paralyzes your body while you sleep in order to keep you from acting out the crazy shit you do in your dreams. Sometimes just before falling fully asleep, or just after awakening the paralyzing effect can be noticed by your conscious mind. It's often accompanied by sounds, like a buzzing, and by the perception that something or someone is in your presence. Sometimes even with visual hallucinations of other beings.

This state is responsible for many accounts of alien abduction and demonic infestation, but it's nothing supernatural. I've experienced it myself, and it's a bit frightening, but nothing dangerous.
Yep, you're basically going into REM sleep, but you're still partially conscious. During REM sleep is when you have your most vivid dreams. As a result, your mind paralyses your body to protect yourself from acting out your dreams.
When you go into this state while still conscious, you'll first feel your legs go numb and be unable to move them. The feeling will slowly creep up your body and you may/may not hear a weird buzzing noise in your head that alternates from one side of your brain to the other (kinda like listening in stereo and switching between speakers). When paralysed, you can 'feel' presences in the room with you, and feel like people are grabbing your hands (sometimes feet). You can 'hear' people whisper into your ear. Usually your right for some reason.
Even though it's just your mind dreaming, it's still fucking freaky when it happens. Quite a few pychotropic drugs bring on this state, and most 'witch-doctors' in primitive tribes usually go into this state.

I used to be able to bring it on naturally, but I kinda forced myself to stop, as it was just freaking me out too much. I was always afraid that the paralysis would become permanent or that it would creep right up to my face and I wouldn't be able to breath.

Sometimes I miss it, because the visions were incredible.
Once I was on the sofa and the outside world changed. It just changed. Everything outside the window was different, yet inside was still the same. I felt the whole house was in a different dimension. I had swapped with another me. I couldn't move my arm, yet reached down (sort of with a 'ghost' arm) and felt a book beside me. I was trying desperately to lift my arm up to see the book when my brother came home and snapped me out of it. There wasn't any book down there.

Another time, I couldn't move and a man dressed like an old scotsman (heavy old kilt, claymore, thick beard) was standing at the end of my bed. He looked at me for ages then turned to a man standing at the end of the hall (somehow I could see what he saw at the same time as what I was seeing). He told the man in a language other than English (yet I could understand him) not to come any closer as he was guarding me. That was quite nice of him I thought.
I heard voices outside my bedroom window and then found myself outside, but outside had changed. Instead of being the small hill the house normally was situated on, it was this huge mountain and down beneath the clouds was a city. While I was looking down I saw an old bi-plane flying straight up towards me. It stopped right in front of me and hovered there. There wasn't anyone in the cockpit but I knew it wanted me to follow it. I sort of floated up with it, and got faster and faster. I floated through space and time until I got to a place where there were these huge alien faces looking at me, smiling. One of them spoke to me telepathically, welcoming me home and said they had been waiting a long time for me to return (this would explain a lot if true).
The whole time this was happening I could still feel myself lying paralysed in my bed staring at the ceiling.

As I said, REM dreams are so vivid and bizarre. It's very easy to see how people can interpret them as visitations etc.

Yep, you're basically going into REM sleep, but you're still partially conscious. During REM sleep is when you have your most vivid dreams. As a result, your mind paralyses your body to protect yourself from acting out your dreams.
When you go into this state while still conscious, you'll first feel your legs go numb and be unable to move them. The feeling will slowly creep up your body and you may/may not hear a weird buzzing noise in your head that alternates from one side of your brain to the other (kinda like listening in stereo and switching between speakers). When paralysed, you can 'feel' presences in the room with you, and feel like people are grabbing your hands (sometimes feet). You can 'hear' people whisper into your ear. Usually your right for some reason.
Even though it's just your mind dreaming, it's still fucking freaky when it happens. Quite a few pychotropic drugs bring on this state, and most 'witch-doctors' in primitive tribes usually go into this state.

I used to be able to bring it on naturally, but I kinda forced myself to stop, as it was just freaking me out too much. I was always afraid that the paralysis would become permanent or that it would creep right up to my face and I wouldn't be able to breath.

Sometimes I miss it, because the visions were incredible.
Once I was on the sofa and the outside world changed. It just changed. Everything outside the window was different, yet inside was still the same. I felt the whole house was in a different dimension. I had swapped with another me. I couldn't move my arm, yet reached down (sort of with a 'ghost' arm) and felt a book beside me. I was trying desperately to lift my arm up to see the book when my brother came home and snapped me out of it. There wasn't any book down there.

Another time, I couldn't move and a man dressed like an old scotsman (heavy old kilt, claymore, thick beard) was standing at the end of my bed. He looked at me for ages then turned to a man standing at the end of the hall (somehow I could see what he saw at the same time as what I was seeing). He told the man in a language other than English (yet I could understand him) not to come any closer as he was guarding me. That was quite nice of him I thought.
I heard voices outside my bedroom window and then found myself outside, but outside had changed. Instead of being the small hill the house normally was situated on, it was this huge mountain and down beneath the clouds was a city. While I was looking down I saw an old bi-plane flying straight up towards me. It stopped right in front of me and hovered there. There wasn't anyone in the cockpit but I knew it wanted me to follow it. I sort of floated up with it, and got faster and faster. I floated through space and time until I got to a place where there were these huge alien faces looking at me, smiling. One of them spoke to me telepathically, welcoming me home and said they had been waiting a long time for me to return (this would explain a lot if true).
The whole time this was happening I could still feel myself lying paralysed in my bed staring at the ceiling.

As I said, REM dreams are so vivid and bizarre. It's very easy to see how people can interpret them as visitations etc.
I once had a hallucination of Native Americans in loincloths and feathers wandering around my bedroom eating birthday cake.

I once had a hallucination of Native Americans in loincloths and feathers wandering around my bedroom eating birthday cake.
NAh..it wasn't a hallucination. They do that sometimes just to freak people out. Cheap thrills.

Hi, I'm a mental patient. I have Bipolar Disorder and have spent time in the local psych ward. So will you. No disrespect, but you need help, and not of the spitirual kind. Do they give you pills to help you stay awake? Speed perhaps? You've got a classic case of psychosis, possibly amphetamine induced.

I want to stress that I'm not being sarcastic and mean no disrespect. I just call them as I see them. It takes one to know one.

I can't decide if you're schizophrenic of trying to pull our legs. The first part about not being able to move sounds like sleep paralysis where you cannot move but are awake because your mind is awake but your body hasn't caught up yet. As for the demonic eyes you saw at the drinking tap, was there an over head light (like the sun or a bulb) to reflect off your glasses? Did your friend see anything at the fountain? Or was he just impatient and wanting you to hurry up? I've read the whole thread (it's too long for me to comment on everything), and I still have no firm conclusions except you should get some sleep, some medical aid and try to remain calm; if you are not pulling our legs...
there were no lights over the fountain and it was at night so there was no sun.

there were no lights over the fountain and it was at night so there was no sun.
But you haven't been sleeping. Hallucinations are common when one is sleep deprived.

From personal experience, I know that if you don't sleep for five days you get paranoid and you see things.
this shit was happening before I stopped sleeping. Not after. the phenomena caused the lack of sleep.

Yes. The kind of thing he just posted is more than enough to get him sent to the psych ward in the military. And more than enough to get taken off of something like guard duty.

The people that decide not to give you your weapon are usually armorers. I was an armorer, and I have on more than one occasion refused to let someone sign out a weapon, based on comments they made. The commander backed me up in every case.

The system appears to work - there aren't a lot of cases of crazy soldiers shooting up the place.
maybe that's because people know that guns don't affect spirits.

this shit was happening before I stopped sleeping. Not after. the phenomena caused the lack of sleep.
Have you considered getting some kind of help? Sometimes you can't trust your own perceptions.

maybe that's because people know that guns don't affect spirits.

Whittier,

In all seriousness, if you are being sincere about your current lack of sleep, visions, and thoughts, you need to seek help.

You should talk to a doctor.

At least talk to a chaplain.

Whether or not you believe in the supernatural, your lack of sleep is seriously unhealthy.

You are putting yourself and others in danger by depriving yourself of sleep and not seeking help.

But you haven't been sleeping. Hallucinations are common when one is sleep deprived.
that wasn't true at the time. I had normal sleep patterns. 8 hours per night. That's the ways it been till the last week or so.

every servicemember I've talked to, says they've had experiences similar to mine. What he is proposing would eliminate virtually the entire armed forces.
The was a colonel who said he'd had encounters at the gym too.
You are describing things that make me wonder about your sanity. Maybe rightly and maybe wrongly so. If you are in a position of responsibility and have access to weapons or classified material, I would recommend that you consider taking some leave until you get these demons squared away.

got the normal 8 hours sleep. fell asleep after post 28.

for those of you who are saying that people who have paranormal encounters with stuff from the otherside are mental, I must say:

1. None of you are psychologists so you have no credibility. Nor can you say, with any authority, that people who believe in God or spirits are schiz. To fire someone or have him kicked out of the military just because he believes in God or whatnot, is called religious persecution. That's why no one who has claimed belief in or encounters with ghosts, demons, God whatnot, has ever been kicked out of the military.

2. You have no credibility to say there is nothing there, cause face it, no one has ever gone to the other side and come back.

3. Not everything I have posted is explained by lack of sleep. As I said, I only started going without sleep quite recently.

4. Just because a person believes in God does not make them any less credible. There are billions of people around the world who have had these encounters. Our greatest scientists, from all cultures, all believe and believed in God, spirits, what have you. And a good many believe they have had encounters with such being.

5. I am quite aware of sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis does not make the hairs on the back your head and neck stand on end. Nor do you get a "breathing down your neck" sensation with sleep paralysis.
Further, the recent events (all the ones happening this year beginning in Feb) had nothing to do with sleep deprivation or paralysis. I was fully conscious at the time and moving around.

You are describing things that make me wonder about your sanity. Maybe rightly and maybe wrongly so. If you are in a position of responsibility and have access to weapons or classified material, I would recommend that you consider taking some leave until you get these demons squared away.
and I have a big fat american ass that you can kiss.

and I have a big fat american ass that you can kiss.
That's not going to get you liked any more, or any helpful advice, Whittier.

Whenever I invoked Christ's name I would get control over my body again and be able to open my eyes, move my lips, etc. And the feeling of dread and fear would dissappear. Cause everytime I woke up like that there was always an intense feeling of dread and intense fear. And it felt like there was an evil presence in the room with me. But when I mention christ in my head, it always disappeared.

Seek professional help!

*snip*
I realize this wasn't directed at me, or those who believe you, but I feel compelled to respond.

Actually, I'm studying to be a psych. *shrugs* But since this is the 'net, you don't have to listen to me, or even believe me. You can't just assume that no one is a psychologist. NS has people from all walks of life and professions.

No one is saying you're insane, because you're Christian. NS Ein Deustcher, I believe, stated that he believes people who believe in a deity are less credibile, but that was one person, and their belief. However, he did not say "insane". If any one has stated you're insane, it's because of what you've said about your involvements with the supernatural. People aren't always too open minded about this. Look, I'm not Christian, but I'm certaintly not accusing you of insanity, now am I? In fact, I've given you advice which may well help you.

You're incorrect in seeming to imply that all of the best scientists believed in God. Some do, some didn't, but the fact they did is irrelevant and has nothing to do with their personal/professional achievements.

Sleep paralysis, can, if I recall correct, cause such sensations, but because you've experienced a variety of what appear to be paranormal situations in which you were awake, well rested, and assumed to be mentally sound and physically healthy, I dismissed that as a possibility.

Seek professional help!
if you don't believe you are the one who needs professional help.

got the normal 8 hours sleep. fell asleep after post 28.

for those of you who are saying that people who have paranormal encounters with stuff from the otherside are mental, I must say:

1. None of you are psychologists so you have no credibility. Nor can you say, with any authority, that people who believe in God or spirits are schiz. To fire someone or have him kicked out of the military just because he believes in God or whatnot, is called religious persecution. That's why no one who has claimed belief in or encounters with ghosts, demons, God whatnot, has ever been kicked out of the military.

2. You have no credibility to say there is nothing there, cause face it, no one has ever gone to the other side and come back.

3. Not everything I have posted is explained by lack of sleep. As I said, I only started going without sleep quite recently.

4. Just because a person believes in God does not make them any less credible. There are billions of people around the world who have had these encounters. Our greatest scientists, from all cultures, all believe and believed in God, spirits, what have you. And a good many believe they have had encounters with such being.

5. I am quite aware of sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis does not make the hairs on the back your head and neck stand on end. Nor do you get a "breathing down your neck" sensation with sleep paralysis.
Further, the recent events (all the ones happening this year beginning in Feb) had nothing to do with sleep deprivation or paralysis. I was fully conscious at the time and moving around.
1 No, none of us are psychologists. However, if someone came to me and complained of chest pain and difficulty breathing I'd refer him to an emergency room despite not being a doctor. The symptoms you described may be indicative of a mental problem. Would it be so bad to get yourself checked out?

2 Irrelevant. Even if there is something there wouldn't it be good to rule out mental issues?

3 True. It still might fall under the category of mental illness. If you may be sick you should get a doctor to check you out.

4 So what? Isn't it still worth going to a doctor and making sure you're healthy?

5 Hair standing on the neck and a feeling of "someone breathing down your neck" are very common symptoms associated with sleep paralysis.

Reading through this thread might make one suspect the military may be doing a little experimental drug testing on unsuspecting subjects... :rolleyes:

Reading through this thread might make one suspect the military may be doing a little experimental drug testing on unsuspecting subjects... :rolleyes:
I was thinking we are reading posts from an attention-starved teenager.

I still don't quite understand why, if you are being tormented by the supernatural, you have not spoken confidentially to your spiritual advisor to seek his or her aid and protection. Isn't it said that where three people pray about the same thing, God hears?

And ruling out a physical or chemical imbalance-related reason for this experience would not be a bad idea either...

all of you shut the hell up. This guy wouldnt bother to write all of this for a joke. Millions of people have reported strange things, and we laugh at them. The people who deny that supernatural things exist is the people that need help. We are not alone in this universe, and there is no way whittier is lying. Lay off.

:( You people are pathetic

all of you shut the hell up. This guy wouldnt bother to write all of this for a joke.

Many hoaxers go to absurd lengths, as do many people just for attention. Not to mention deluded people, who actually believe what they are saying.

Many hoaxers go to absurd lengths, as do many people just for attention. Not to mention deluded people, who actually believe what they are saying.

Yeah you can say that to a million people? Even if 99% are lying, its the one percent (thats telling the truth) that we also ignore. I say we just be a little more open minded about our remarks, and a little less skeptical of a fellow human.

Not to mention deluded people, who actually believe what they are saying.

Hah, funny... :mad:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

I highly value my sleep but recent events have caused me to avoid sleeping, especially at night.

A year ago, when I first came to my current duty station, I was went to sleep in my room.
As is sometimes my custom, I was sleeping on my belly. Sleeping on your belly prevents evil spirits from taking over and in my teen years and early twenties, I would have episodes where I would wake up but not be in control of my body. I would be like consciencious but not in control. I couldn't even open my eyes, kind of like being suppressed while something else is trying to take over. I always regained control after ordering what it was away in the name of Christ.
Whenever I invoked Christ's name I would get control over my body again and be able to open my eyes, move my lips, etc. And the feeling of dread and fear would dissappear. Cause everytime I woke up like that there was always an intense feeling of dread and intense fear. And it felt like there was an evil presence in the room with me. But when I mention christ in my head, it always disappeared.

http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html
http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

It's called sleep paralysis. I have it too. It's a very frightening experience; believe me, I know. Historically it was associated with demonic possession, and your belief that sleeping on your belly prevents these possessions is based mostly on the fact that sleeping in the supine position (on your back) increases the likelihood of sleep paralysis occuring.

There are ways of preventing it from happening, including not sleeping on your back. It also occurs more frequently during times of great stress and after sudden changes in your sleep schedule and your environment, all of which I imagine occured during your time in the military.

I can't attest to much of the rest of that stuff, but I can help you with sleep paralysis. It used to scare the hell out of me before I learned what it was. I've found that since I learned about it and studied it, I've had far fewer instances. Plus, it has allowed me to begin exploring lucid dreaming.

Yeah you can say that to a million people? Even if 99% are lying, its the one percent (thats telling the truth) that we also ignore. I say we just be a little more open minded about our remarks, and a little less skeptical of a fellow human.

Unless 100% of them are lying, which is quite a likely scenario.

I once had a hallucination of Native Americans in loincloths and feathers wandering around my bedroom eating birthday cake.

Oh, so you were the guy some friends and I messed with last saterday. We do that as saterday nights can be so boring. ;)

Yeah you can say that to a million people? Even if 99% are lying, its the one percent (thats telling the truth) that we also ignore. I say we just be a little more open minded about our remarks, and a little less skeptical of a fellow human.
You don't have to be lying to be mentally ill.

Oh, so you were the guy some friends and I messed with last saterday. We do that as saterday nights can be so boring. ;)
Dude, I didn't even sleep Saturday night. I was out partying. You know, so I would be in good shape to install a swimming pool liner and safety cover the next morning. (My privately-owned part-time business)

Yeah you can say that to a million people? Even if 99% are lying, its the one percent (thats telling the truth) that we also ignore. I say we just be a little more open minded about our remarks, and a little less skeptical of a fellow human.

ROTFLASTC.

Millions and millions of people have believed many, many absurd things over the centuries. Many of them flatly mutually exclusive.

Throwing reason and experience out the window and believing anything a "fellow human" says is not wisdom or being open-minded. It is being gullible and foolish.

Millions and millions and millions of people have delusions and see things that aren't there -- for a variety of reasons.

One need not be lying for one's story to be inaccurate.

I highly value my sleep but recent events have caused me to avoid sleeping, especially at night.

A year ago, when I first came to my current duty station, I was went to sleep in my room.
As is sometimes my custom, I was sleeping on my belly. Sleeping on your belly prevents evil spirits from taking over and in my teen years and early twenties, I would have episodes where I would wake up but not be in control of my body. I would be like consciencious but not in control. I couldn't even open my eyes, kind of like being suppressed while something else is trying to take over. I always regained control after ordering what it was away in the name of Christ.
Whenever I invoked Christ's name I would get control over my body again and be able to open my eyes, move my lips, etc. And the feeling of dread and fear would dissappear. Cause everytime I woke up like that there was always an intense feeling of dread and intense fear. And it felt like there was an evil presence in the room with me. But when I mention christ in my head, it always disappeared.

Already explained as simple sleep paralysis.

One time, I was running with some friends. Actually me and my brother were running and our friends were riding in a car. One time I ran into this park to get some water. And I saw this thing with red eyes staring at me through the reflection on my glasses. I was bent over the fountain so the thing was above me when I saw it. I figured I was likely imagining it. I looked up and there was nothing there. I bent back down to the fountain to get a sip, and there it was again, being reflected off my glasses. Again I look back up and nothing there. I say quick prayer and briskly walk away from the fountain and out of the park. I start jogging to get my pace back. Then I hear my friend shout "holy shit, run faster". My heart already pounding from the experience, I start taking off as fast as I could run. I turn around occasionally, cause I felt this thing was running was after me. Finally I jump in the car and we like sped the f out of there.

So you thought you saw something weird in a reflection in water off of your sunglass?

And you and some friends ran in a park.

Color me unimpressed.

There was another time, afterward. In 1995. My mother had just died that day. I was watching TV when I felt something cold move right through me. And there was no air conditioning on and it was hot that day.

Wow. A minor cold sensation. Could be several thousand explanations.

When I was Korea, I had was on guard duty one time, with a KATUSA. And we were doing our patrol. And there was this bunker and every time we passed it, I would feel that something was in there watching. The Katusa (Korean assigned to United States Army) said he thought he saw something move in there. He described it as a dark shadow that had moved. I got the same feeling at another side of the post that we were patrolling but that was in the city.

This brings me to the my current station, Fort Huachuca which I will describe in the next post. Or rather I will be describing my experiences in the next post.

So, you another young man creeped each other out about a "shadow."

So far, all mundane experiences without the slightest trace of the supernatural.

I still don't quite understand why, if you are being tormented by the supernatural, you have not spoken confidentially to your spiritual advisor to seek his or her aid and protection. Isn't it said that where three people pray about the same thing, God hears?

And ruling out a physical or chemical imbalance-related reason for this experience would not be a bad idea either...
there are none here

I am watching TBN with its christian music as I type this cause christian music and christian shows keep "them" at bay.

Well, my 4th week here, I was in my room sleeping no my belly. Cause that's supposed to prevent evil spirits from taking over. Well in my dream I was in this gallery. And we was on this tour complete with tour guide and all. And I remember not really hearing what the guide was saying. Then we was in this gallery of dinosaurs and this had this life like replica of a dinosaur that looked like a cross between T Rex and Godzilla. And I felt that this dino replica was looking back at me like it was alive and aware. I stood there and stared at it. It didn't move or anything, I just had the feeling it was alive. When the group passed me, I rejoined it but then I the hairs on the back of my neck stood up and I felt something breathing down my neck. I thought, it was alive and its right behind me. I did not turn around to see. Well that was when I woke up. And even though I was awake, I still felt something was breathing down my neck and the hairs on my neck and the back of my head were standing on end. I didn't want to see whatever it was that was causing it so I kept my eyes closed and pretended to still be asleep. It stayed so I started praying again, and invoking the name of christ and then it left and I was able to open my eyes. My heart was pounding, I was scared shitless. I checked the time: 0200 in the morning. I got up and put in a christian CD. Cause for some reason christian music keeps them away. I found out the next day that the female that arrived the same day I did, her boyfriend hung himself in the next building at the exact same time that I had this experience. But I think it is possible that the thing breathing down my neck was older as symbolized by it being a dinosaur in my dream.

In my next post will be my encounters at the post gym and at the Denny's in Sierra Vista.

You had a bad dream. You either dreamt you woke up when you had not (which is common) or you had a mild sensation of panic after you awoke. Merely the lingering sensation of the bad dream.

Again, nothing supernatural here.

there are none here

You are somewhere where there are no spiritual advisors?

What about doctors?

And your claimed events stretch back over more than a decade -- yet you've never sought spiritual help?

You remember that movie, I think it was Dark Angel with Keanue Reeve (spelling) where he said that "if you can see them they can see you". I think that might be true and that they might be aware of my presence.

You are getting metaphysical advice from the movie Constantine?

Either you need help or you are merely seeking attention.

ROTFLASTC.

Millions and millions of people have believed many, many absurd things over the centuries. Many of them flatly mutually exclusive.

Throwing reason and experience out the window and believing anything a "fellow human" says is not wisdom or being open-minded. It is being gullible and foolish.

Millions and millions and millions of people have delusions and see things that aren't there -- for a variety of reasons.

One need not be lying for one's story to be inaccurate.

Delusions? Some people are perfectly fine, but people like you keep ignoring the possibility of anything extraordinary. You do not have a wide enough perspective to understand that it is not out of the realm of possibility. Millions of peoples words are worth more then a bunch of arrogant skeptics comments.

Already explained as simple sleep paralysis.



So you thought you saw something weird in a reflection in water off of your sunglass?

And you and some friends ran in a park.

Color me unimpressed.



Wow. A minor cold sensation. Could be several thousand explanations.



So, you another young man creeped each other out about a "shadow."

So far, all mundane experiences without the slightest trace of the supernatural.

It was not reflected off the water nor was I wearing sun glasses. I wear glasses for corrective vision. For myopia. And I didn't think, I saw.

You don't have to be lying to be mentally ill.

This is true, but for some reason i have a feeling whittier is not mentally ill in any way. Ive had my fair share of "experiences"

You had a bad dream. You either dreamt you woke up when you had not (which is common) or you had a mild sensation of panic after you awoke. Merely the lingering sensation of the bad dream.

Again, nothing supernatural here.
nope I was awake. I know cause I didn't go backto sleep after that.

You are somewhere where there are no spiritual advisors?

What about doctors?

And your claimed events stretch back over more than a decade -- yet you've never sought spiritual help?
there are none where I am now.

Whittier, where are you anyway?

It was not reflected off the water nor was I wearing sun glasses. I wear glasses for corrective vision. For myopia. And I didn't think, I saw.

You said:

One time, I was running with some friends. Actually me and my brother were running and our friends were riding in a car. One time I ran into this park to get some water. And I saw this thing with red eyes staring at me through the reflection on my glasses. I was bent over the fountain so the thing was above me when I saw it. I figured I was likely imagining it. I looked up and there was nothing there. I bent back down to the fountain to get a sip, and there it was again, being reflected off my glasses. Again I look back up and nothing there. I say quick prayer and briskly walk away from the fountain and out of the park. I start jogging to get my pace back. Then I hear my friend shout "holy shit, run faster". My heart already pounding from the experience, I start taking off as fast as I could run. I turn around occasionally, cause I felt this thing was running was after me. Finally I jump in the car and we like sped the f out of there.

You thought you might be imagining it. You looked around and saw nothing.

You "saw" this thing only as a reflection in your glass when leaning over the fountain.

Your story gave a clear impression it was reflected off of the water. My mistake. Although you have no idea whether it was or not -- you don't know where the image came from.

Sunglass - glasses. Still a second- or third- hand image.

You are wanting to believe you saw fantastic things.

Arizona near the mexican border on a military installation.

This is true, but for some reason i have a feeling whittier is not mentally ill in any way. Ive had my fair share of "experiences"

Your "feeling" is based on what?

Perhaps you also are guilty of wishful thinking.

Or are mentally ill.

I am. Millions and millions and millions of people are. The only shame is in not getting help.

Ok, and have you told any of your friends on the site about this? Like someone you can trust to be open minded, and helpful?

Your "feeling" is based on what?

Perhaps you also are guilty of wishful thinking.

Or are mentally ill.

I am. Millions and millions and millions of people are. The only shame is in not getting help.

Mentally ill? Hardly. Wishful thinking? No, im scared shitless over this stuff, and thats why i feel obliged to try to find out whats happening here and if there is anything i can do to help. I, do not need any mental help, for simply being kind to another person.

Your "feeling" is based on what?

Perhaps you also are guilty of wishful thinking.

Or are mentally ill.

I am. Millions and millions and millions of people are. The only shame is in not getting help.
if you are mentally ill what are you doing here?

Perhaps what you attribute to mental illness is nothing more than normalness.

To not have these experiences is to be not normal.

Ok, and have you told any of your friends on the site about this? Like someone you can trust to be open minded, and helpful?

Are you talking to me?

I have professional medical care.

Which is something Whittier should look into.

Arizona near the mexican border on a military installation.

And yet you said there are no doctors near there. What kind of military installation are you on that has no readily available medical personnel?

Are you talking to me?

I have professional medical care.

Which is something Whittier should look into.

No, i was talking to whittier, just trying to see if he has anyone he can turn to if he needs help.

Ok, and have you told any of your friends on the site about this? Like someone you can trust to be open minded, and helpful?
actually yes I have. I told a couple of people. They all had similar experiences.
And I've had people talk about other worldly encounters at other US military installations in the US. Particularly Fort Gordon in Georgia.

And yet you said there are no doctors near there. What kind of military installation are you on that has no readily available medical personnel?

Hmm, good question.

And yet you said there are no doctors near there. What kind of military installation are you on that has no readily available medical personnel?
medical personnel are not equipped to deal with the paranormal. Their job is grounded in this world, in dealing with the physical body.

actually yes I have. I told a couple of people. They all had similar experiences.
And I've had people talk about other worldly encounters at other US military installations in the US. Particularly Fort Gordon in Georgia.

Just what I was looking for. Now, do these people see the same things, or different in aspects? Are they all reliable? Do you swear your not going to say this is a joke and make me look like an idiot (maybe too late in some peoples eyes, but i hardly care)?

medical personnel are not equipped to deal with the paranormal. Their job is grounded in this world, in dealing with the physical body.

What military base you at Whittier?

medical personnel are not equipped to deal with the paranormal. Their job is grounded in this world, in dealing with the physical body.

You might want to consider having a talk with them about looking at your physical body. Particularly the part of it above shoulder height.

You might want to consider having a talk with them about looking at your physical body. Particularly the part of it above shoulder height.

...nice real nice...how you can say that while not actually knowing the person in RL life is beyond me. Nice job, youve won the asshole award for the day.

if you are mentally ill what are you doing here?

Perhaps what you attribute to mental illness is nothing more than normalness.

Mental illness does not mean you are locked in a mental ward.

Read and learn:
http://www.nami.org/
http://www.mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/

To not have these experiences is to be not normal.

LOL.

By the way, I and others tried being sympathetic. You refuse to listen.

As I have caught you making things up on these forums before, I'm not particularly inclined to believe these fantasties.

You claim these have occured for more than a decade, but you never sought help.

You claim there are no spiritual advisors where you are now. You are being vague about where that is, but I thought you said it was Fort Huachuca. There are spiritual advisors in Fort Huachuca.

Just what I was looking for. Now, do these people see the same things, or different in aspects? Are they all reliable? Do you swear your not going to say this is a joke and make me look like an idiot (maybe too late in some peoples eyes, but i hardly care)?
I knew them from the gym. So they've all encountered the entities at the gym.

Mental illness does not mean you are locked in a mental ward.

Read and learn:
http://www.nami.org/
http://www.mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/



LOL.

By the way, I and others tried being sympathetic. You refuse to listen.

As I have caught you making things up on these forums before, I'm not particularly inclined to believe these fantasties.

You claim these have occured for more than a decade, but you never sought help.

You claim there are no spiritual advisors where you are now. You are being vague about where that is, but I thought you said it was Fort Huachuca. There are spiritual advisors in Fort Huachuca.

You know, i dont blame him for not getting seen. I mean, with the response he's getting on this thread, you would think he would be laughed off this Earth. Personally, id much rather live with knowing that its happening then being diagnosed with some mental illness that I know not to be present.

...nice real nice...how you can say that while not actually knowing the person in RL life is beyond me.

I can explain it to you if you like.

1. He's stated he's seeing many rather bizarre things.
2. He's stated his sleep patterns have been severely disrupted easily to the point where psychological problems can be a consequence even if he hadn't said he was already seeing things.

These are not the kinds of things soldiers are supposed to keep from their doctors. In fact I'm willing to bet that he is rather strongly obligated to disclose that kind of information. And upon informing the medical personnel on site of these things the very first thing they're going to examine is his head.

Did you need further clarification?

Well Whittier it depends on whether you're a believing Christian or not. If you are then what I'll suggest will probably make sense, if not it'll sound like bunk and you can reject it at your will.

Just because we live in hi-tech times it doesn't mean that angels and demons are retired. They can slip up behind us and whisper in our ears at our unguarded moments but we are still at liberty whether to follow or reject their leading. Remember that we're only tempted - we're not forced to do anything (basic example, Eve in the garden of Eden. Satan dropped the hook, Eve swallowed it. Satan never made her do anything, she did it on her own volition).

That being said there are ways for demons to slip in, the old fashioned way. When we're physically weak (as you apparently were, doing guard duty) - I remember during my ROTC days we were so tired we thought of nothing but sleep, food and sex (in that order). I wanted to be the 'Christian soldier' (something like Barry Pepper in Saving Private Ryan - well maybe not the sniping part but the Bible quoting part) and there were some guys from Campus Crusade in my detachment (I was in the Military Police, we ROCKED!) Well there was one day that I let my guard down. They were showing some hentai (Japanese porno cartoons) at our bn HQ and I watched it for a little R&R. Next thing I know I was being called to the Colonel's office for my interview (I was up for the prize at our competition for best cadet) and when I was interviewed I botched it badly. The lapse clouded my mind and - like Moses in the desert - I couldn't enter the promised land (I didn't win the best cadet prize).

Perhaps as 'westernized' people we're not really so in touch with it or we feel like it's all hokey stuff or it's just bad pizza or something. You're entitled to your own beliefs of course. I for my part believe that the devil's angels exist and they still can 'possess' (if you welcome them in via drugs or other 'bad stuff') you or at the least bother you (like what that one is doing to you).

I've experienced something like that and a co-teacher of mine (we're both Christians and we teach ESL to Koreans) has too. You can sense a presence in your room, you're frozen, you don't want to look up. I didn't want to look up but I could sense it at the foot of my bed. My co-teacher friend experienced this just before he left on a mission trip - he looked up and saw a black hairy entity threatening him. In both cases we called on Jesus and in His Name we banished the creature from our presence. Shook us up the day after - my friend couldn't stop talking about it the whole day.

Demons seem to attack either when we're weak or when we're strong. Me and my Christian friends have been to retreats or youth camps or stage performances where things would go wrong, dangerous accidents would happen for no reason, speakers would sense terrible weakness (physical) or discouragement. When that happens we'd pray and rejoice because we felt it was an indication that we were doing 'something' right. Like any good tactician Satan strikes at the 'commanders and sergeants' (strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered). We didn't let ourselves get discouraged.

Also happens when you're struggling with a particular sin. This is something I still struggle with as well. The devil doesn't want to 'lose' you hehehe. He'll 'scare the hell out of you' if he has to (look at what happened to Job) but you should be strong and don't 'give in to the dark side'. I know, easier said than done. I'm right there with you if you're struggling with something, struggling with things too so I'm not speaking from any position of superiority but as a fellow humble imperfect human.

There was an illustration my youth leader liked to use. How do you empty a glass of sewer water without pouring it out? Fill it up with clean water and the sewer water will be displaced by the clean. Likewise as you rid your life of bad or negative habits, vices, thoughts you need to fill it up simultaneously with good thoughts, good deeds and of course daily meditation. There's a passage in the bible where Christ says, "When an evil spirit comes out of a man it goes through arid places (hell perhaps or something like it?) seeking rest and not finding it. Then it thinks, I will go back to the house I left. So it goes back and finds the house swept clean and put in order (but note it's not occupied or guarded!) Then he brings back seven other spirits more wicked than himself and the final condition of that man is worse than before. That is how it will be with this wicked generation." Any wonder why sometimes a guy 'kicks' a habit only to have it come back again. You 'can' do it through willpower but it's exhausting. When you're under fire and the enemy's massing for a frontal attack you don't hold the position bravely and futilely - not when you can call HQ for artillery and air support! That's what prayer is - calling God to send in the BIG GUNS to blast the heck out of the forces of hell.

I'm not sure of your exact circumstances but I think calling on the name which strikes fear into satan himself is the way to go.

God bless,
Maharlikana

You know, i dont blame him for not getting seen. I mean, with the response he's getting on this thread, you would think he would be laughed off this Earth. Personally, id much rather live with knowing that its happening then being diagnosed with some mental illness that I know not to be present.
you have a telegram

This brings me to the my current station, Fort Huachuca which I will describe in the next post. Or rather I will be describing my experiences in the next post.


You are somewhere where there are no spiritual advisors?

What about doctors?

And your claimed events stretch back over more than a decade -- yet you've never sought spiritual help?


there are none where I am now.


http://www.huachuca.army.mil/PUBSFORM/STAFF/chaplain.htm
Office of the Installation Chaplain (http://www.huachuca.army.mil/USAG/Chaplain/)

A google search also shows many churches near the military base.

Me smells a rat.

I can explain it to you if you like.

1. He's stated he's seeing many rather bizarre things.
2. He's stated his sleep patterns have been severely disrupted easily to the point where psychological problems can be a consequence even if he hadn't said he was already seeing things.

These are not the kinds of things soldiers are supposed to keep from their doctors. In fact I'm willing to bet that he is rather strongly obligated to disclose that kind of information. And upon informing the medical personnel on site of these things the very first thing they're going to examine is his head.

Did you need further clarification?
I'm inclined to think you don't know what you are talking about.
I am not obligated to tell anyone anything about this stuff.

I can explain it to you if you like.

1. He's stated he's seeing many rather bizarre things.
2. He's stated his sleep patterns have been severely disrupted easily to the point where psychological problems can be a consequence even if he hadn't said he was already seeing things.

These are not the kinds of things soldiers are supposed to keep from their doctors. In fact I'm willing to bet that he is rather strongly obligated to disclose that kind of information. And upon informing the medical personnel on site of these things the very first thing they're going to examine is his head.

Did you need further clarification?

Yes, seeing things like this is not a disability in protecting your country. I dont think you understand that besides lack of sleep, it looks like it has not affected Whittier that much. What does it matter if he has seen bizarre things? What if tomorrow you see a half cow/ half chipmunk, and no one believes you and calls you mentally ill. Wouldnt that be kinda odd huh? Take it into personal account buddy.

Have you considered the possibility that it might be alien activity? Perhaps a benevolent species is attempting to communicate with humanity by conjuring images inside your head.

http://www.huachuca.army.mil/PUBSFORM/STAFF/chaplain.htm
Office of the Installation Chaplain (http://www.huachuca.army.mil/USAG/Chaplain/)

A google search also shows many churches near the military base.

Me smells a rat.

Near, not in comrade, big difference.

It is not a coincidence that singing Christian hymns and praying to the Christian God can chase away demons - it's the ONLY way to get rid of the "dirty stuff"...

Near, not in comrade, big difference.

What part of the links to the Chaplain's Office on the base did you not understand, comrade?

Whittier has yet to explain why he has never sought help from any spiritual advisor -- despite his claims these "events" have occured for over 10 years.

Is Whittier unable to leave the base?

Face it. He lied about their being no doctors or spiritual advisors around.

As I said, I've caught him making stuff up in other threads before.

Perhaps you won't be so gullible next time.

I am not gullible, i just believe someone until i have a good reason not to believe. I dont know why he hasnt looked for spiritual help, but if hes like me I am not very religious and i wouldnt feel comfortable asking for help.

I am not gullible, i just believe someone until i have a good reason not to believe. I dont know why he hasnt looked for spiritual help, but if hes like me I am not very religious and i wouldnt feel comfortable asking for help.

He has said he is very religious. Have you not been reading the thread?

And he didn't claim he wouldn't be comfortable asking for help. He claimed there were no doctors or spiritual advisors available.

He lied. Period. End of story.

He has said he is very religious. Have you not been reading the thread?

And he didn't claim he wouldn't be comfortable asking for help. He claimed there were no doctors or spiritual advisors available.

He lied. Period. End of story.

You can be religious without going to church. Besides, why are you so stubborn to not admit there is possiblity?

http://www.huachuca.army.mil/PUBSFORM/STAFF/chaplain.htm
Office of the Installation Chaplain (http://www.huachuca.army.mil/USAG/Chaplain/)

A google search also shows many churches near the military base.

Me smells a rat.
there are some. But I doubt any of them have had real experiences with with beings from the world beyond this one. This forum however is different.
There is a difference between talking to someone about in person, and then talking bout it on an anonymous forum.

I'm inclined to think you don't know what you are talking about.
I am not obligated to tell anyone anything about this stuff.

You are a soldier aren't you?

Army Regulations 40-501. Standards of Medical Fitness. Sections:

10–13. Individual responsibility

Each ARNG/ARNGUS soldier is individually responsible for the maintenance of his or her medical, physical, and mental fitness. This includes correcting remediable defects, avoiding harmful habits, and weight control. The maintenance of good strength and aerobic conditioning is of prime importance to the modern soldier. The APFT is the level of activity that may be expected from the ARNG/ARNGUS soldier in the normal range of duties.

10–14. Significant incident reporting responsibility

Soldiers’ responsibilities include seeking medical advice quickly when they believe their physical well-being is in question. Any hospitalization, significant illness, or disease that occurs when not on duty will be reported to the unit commander or first sergeant at the earliest possible opportunity and, in all cases, before initiating the next period of training.

You just told us you've been unable to sleep for a period of over 100 hours and that you're having weird visions.

Go see your doctor.

Rusiennne: Nothing beyond the extended lack of sleep is required, although the 'visions' certainly throw up a much bigger warning flag. FIVE DAYS without being able to sleep is not information you withold from the resident medical personnel.

What part of the links to the Chaplain's Office on the base did you not understand, comrade?

Whittier has yet to explain why he has never sought help from any spiritual advisor -- despite his claims these "events" have occured for over 10 years.

Is Whittier unable to leave the base?

Face it. He lied about their being no doctors or spiritual advisors around.

As I said, I've caught him making stuff up in other threads before.

Perhaps you won't be so gullible next time.
Do you know anything about the supernatural?
I did not say it was only happening in the last 10 years. The first things I described in the opening thread happened in the very early 90's. But I've had somethings happen before that which I don't want to talk about.

I leave the base all the time, when I can. But I can't now cause I am still recovering from surgery.

There are no spiritual advisors. Just because you got a license to preach does not mean you are a qualified spiritual advisor.

What is said in other politically partisan threads has no bearing whatever on this one.

You are a soldier aren't you?

Army Regulations 40-501. Standards of Medical Fitness. Sections:

10–13. Individual responsibility

Each ARNG/ARNGUS soldier is individually responsible for the maintenance of his or her medical, physical, and mental fitness. This includes correcting remediable defects, avoiding harmful habits, and weight control. The maintenance of good strength and aerobic conditioning is of prime importance to the modern soldier. The APFT is the level of activity that may be expected from the ARNG/ARNGUS soldier in the normal range of duties.

10–14. Significant incident reporting responsibility

Soldiers’ responsibilities include seeking medical advice quickly when they believe their physical well-being is in question. Any hospitalization, significant illness, or disease that occurs when not on duty will be reported to the unit commander or first sergeant at the earliest possible opportunity and, in all cases, before initiating the next period of training.

You just told us you've been unable to sleep for a period of over 100 hours and that you're having weird visions.

Go see your doctor.

Rusiennne: Nothing beyond the extended lack of sleep is required, although the 'visions' certainly throw up a much bigger warning flag. FIVE DAYS without being able to sleep is not information you withold from the resident medical personnel.

Yes, but something called fear can keep someone up, and allow them to have energy to continue. When i get really afraid, i find myself with loads of energy. Thats why its hard to get to sleep when youve just been scared, and according to whittier, he must have been scared so shitless that he didnt really have the lack of energy to go to sleep/ didnt want to because of his fear.

I am not gullible, i just believe someone until i have a good reason not to believe. I dont know why he hasnt looked for spiritual help, but if hes like me I am not very religious and i wouldnt feel comfortable asking for help.
exactly. I am used to handling stuff on my own. I am used to doing everything myself. That's how I got my hernia that had to be surgically repaired.
I don't like relying on any one else for anything. Cause relying on other people for anything is a sign of weakness.

Yes, but something called fear can keep someone up,

I don't care what the hell is keeping him up. FIVE DAYS OF SLEEP DEPRIVATION constitutes a medical problem that should be disclosed to base medical personnel.

Do you know anything about the supernatural?
I did not say it was only happening in the last 10 years. The first things I described in the opening thread happened in the very early 90's. But I've had somethings happen before that which I don't want to talk about.

I leave the base all the time, when I can. But I can't now cause I am still recovering from surgery.

There are no spiritual advisors. Just because you got a license to preach does not mean you are a qualified spiritual advisor.

What is said in other politically partisan threads has no bearing whatever on this one.

Well can you tell us the three most important ones before 1990? Im not saying i dont believe you, but when you put these points in so late in the debate it makes it kind of suspicious.

He has said he is very religious. Have you not been reading the thread?

And he didn't claim he wouldn't be comfortable asking for help. He claimed there were no doctors or spiritual advisors available.

He lied. Period. End of story.
actually I am very uncomfortable asking for help. How would you feel if this was happening to you? You wouldn't feel comfortable either would you.

exactly. I am used to handling stuff on my own. I am used to doing everything myself. That's how I got my hernia that had to be surgically repaired.
I don't like relying on any one else for anything. Cause relying on other people for anything is a sign of weakness.

That's a horrendous attitude to have in the military.

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!

I don't care what the hell is keeping him up. FIVE DAYS OF SLEEP DEPRIVATION constitutes a medical problem that should be disclosed to base medical personnel.

But whats your point? how does that affect the visions?

That's a horrendous attitude to have in the military.

I think your wrong. if you learn to depend on yourself, you can help others depend on theirselves, thus eliminating a lot of complications. Believing in ones resolve does not effect teamwork.

actually I am very uncomfortable asking for help. How would you feel if this was happening to you? You wouldn't feel comfortable either would you.

1. This is not what you said before. Are you admitting you lied?

2. I've had very terrifying things happen to me. That is what people like doctors, law enforcement, and spirtual advisors are there to help you with.

3. As I said, I am under treatment for mental illness. Whether I was comfortable or not, I sought help. You should too.

4. You have a duty as a solidier not to keep your mental status a secret. You are supposed to seek help. Comfortable or not.

But whats your point? how does that affect the visions?

The fact that there are ALSO visions simply reinforces the fact that he is obligated to report this situation to base medical personnel. I wouldn't be surprised if deliberately keeping such things from them warranted a dereliction of duty charge.

The fact that anyone still believes in religion amazes me. So many holes have been found in the bible and every other religous piece of fiction. I require a few facts, rather than a hard to believe story of things that happened thousands of years ago. Things that can't be proven, and things that have never happened in modern times, other than a few people claiming they saw god, or jesus, or angels. There could be a god, but not this allmighty "person" in the sky who controls us. If there is, he must have a sick sense of humor.

Do I believe that there may be ghosts? Yeah, sure. There has been enough documened cases of strange things happening, that some of these occurances could be real. However, you seem to have an abnormal amount of them (if you aren't making this up, which I still think you probably are) leads me to believe that you do have a mental disorder, and should go to the doctor to be checked out. If you don't think it's a mental illness, whats the harm in getting it checked out?

Well can you tell us the three most important ones before 1990? Im not saying i dont believe you, but when you put these points in so late in the debate it makes it kind of suspicious.
I don't think they are relevant.
I just got tired of cat tribe saying that they only go back 10 years when

1. he doesn't know that

2. they don't.

3. the major stuff has only started happening in the last well ten years.


But if you want to know about one,

there was an incident when I was very young.

I was about 5 or 6, first grade.
Me and my brother were in state custody for reasons I won't disclose.
One night we was going to sleep. The custodians turned off the lights and closed the door. As soon as they did that, I heard voices inside the room, whispering "They're gone now. We can take possession." I heard that and I got scared and hid under the blanket and my heart rate went up.
There was more than one of them in the room, whatever they were.

But I don't see what that has to do with the present.

1. This is not what you said before. Are you admitting you lied?

2. I've had very terrifying things happen to me. That is what people like doctors, law enforcement, and spirtual advisors are there to help you with.

3. As I said, I am under treatment for mental illness. Whether I was comfortable or not, I sought help. You should too.

4. You have a duty as a solidier not to keep your mental status a secret. You are supposed to seek help. Comfortable or not.

So you go from the things dont exist to why he dosent get help. Crafty.

Whittier, have you had any past mental issues? (i dont think so, but just so everyone can see so im not talking for you)

But whats your point? how does that affect the visions?

I hope your obtuseness is deliberate.

Reformentia stated that Whittier had a duty to report his lack of sleep to proper military authorities.

You feebly tried to deny it.

But, as Reformentia replied, the FIVE DAYS WITHOUT SLEEP is a medical condition that should be reported -- whether or not Whittier has been visited by the supernatural!

Moreoever, the lack of sleep could well explain some of the more recent visions. Or they could have a mutual cause.

I think your wrong. if you learn to depend on yourself, you can help others depend on theirselves, thus eliminating a lot of complications. Believing in ones resolve does not effect teamwork.

What you think doesn't matter, because it is a horrendous attitude to have in the military. The entire military is interdependent. Each man has to be able to trust that everyone else will do their jobs, and do them well. If he believes relying on other people is a sign of weakness, then he will not trust other people to do their jobs, and he will take appropriate precautions, precautions that will prevent him from doing his job as best he can, and thereby other men will not be able to trust him.

Trusting the guy next to you completely is essential in anything that requires teamwork.

That's a horrendous attitude to have in the military.
may be, but I end up being the one person in the unit that gets shit done.

The fact that there are ALSO visions simply reinforces the fact that he is obligated to report this situation to base medical personnel. I wouldn't be surprised if deliberately keeping such things from them warranted a dereliction of duty charge.


Fair enough, but that dosent eliminate the possibility of the visions actually existing, which is what I am trying to defend.

I don't think they are relevant.
I just got tired of cat tribe saying that they only go back 10 years when

1. he doesn't know that

2. they don't.

3. the major stuff has only started happening in the last well ten years.

*snip*.

<sigh>

As you well know, I never said they only go back 10 years.

To the contrary, I emphasized that they went back at least 10 years.

Which made your claim that you have never been able to seek help a tad incredible.

That they go back even further makes it even more incredible.

As we have seen, it was more than incredible. It was a deliberate falsehood.

Nice try at the red herring. I doubt it fooled anyone.

What you think doesn't matter, because it is a horrendous attitude to have in the military. The entire military is interdependent. Each man has to be able to trust that everyone else will do their jobs, and do them well. If he believes relying on other people is a sign of weakness, then he will not trust other people to do their jobs, and he will take appropriate precautions, precautions that will prevent him from doing his job as best he can, and thereby other men will not be able to trust him.

Trusting the guy next to you completely is essential in anything that requires teamwork.

Did he say he didnt trust them? I just think he likes to be independent and work out situations that are personal. IM sure his attitude while on duty is different?.

I think your wrong. if you learn to depend on yourself, you can help others depend on theirselves, thus eliminating a lot of complications. Believing in ones resolve does not effect teamwork.

Actually, isn't the idea of basic training to strip away ego, force recruits to accept that events are out of their control, and that they need a sense of unity to survive?

So you go from the things dont exist to why he dosent get help. Crafty.

Whittier, have you had any past mental issues? (i dont think so, but just so everyone can see so im not talking for you)
actually no I haven't.

I did go and talk to this psychiatrist my sister was seeing but he said there was nothing wrong me.
but I only talked to him one time, on the phone for like 15 minutes.

Actually, isn't the idea of basic training to strip away ego, force recruits to accept that events are out of their control, and that they need a sense of unity to survive?

DOnt know, not old enough to be in the military, but relying on yourself isnt egotistical.

Did he say he didnt trust them? I just think he likes to be independent and work out situations that are personal. IM sure his attitude while on duty is different?.

So we're to believe that he can just switch on his trust like a light switch? That when he's off duty, he believes "relying on other people for anything is a sign of weakness", but when he's on duty, he has implicit trust for his fellow soldier? That's naivete in the extreme.

So you go from the things dont exist to why he dosent get help. Crafty.

Whittier, have you had any past mental issues? (i dont think so, but just so everyone can see so im not talking for you)

Again, acting like you don't understand is unbecoming.

I responded very specifically to what Whittier asked. Trying to make it seem like I was saying something else is asinine.

Moreover, the question is his credibility: He thinks they exist. Yet he never sought any help. Even though he claims to be under spiritual attack, he has never sought spiritual help.

He said it was because there were no doctors or spiritual advisors where he was.

But we know that to be untrue.

We also know he claims these things have happened since he was a child. We know not for how long, but for over 10 years.

Yet, he never sought help? Even when he was 5 or 6?

(My guess is he will soon change his story to claim he did seek help in the past. Maybe he won't know that I have forecasted it.)

I think you're seeing things Whitter-...



Some people have this special ability to see these things. I'm glad that I don't....*cries in relief*

So we're to believe that he can just switch on his trust like a light switch? That when he's off duty, he believes "relying on other people for anything is a sign of weakness", but when he's on duty, he has implicit trust for his fellow soldier? That's naivete in the extreme.

It is not trust. It is preference. He would rather work out his problems by himself. That is all he is saying.

It is not trust. It is preference. He would rather work out his problems by himself. That is all he is saying.

And I'm saying that the attitude that relying on others is a weakness is a terrible attitude to have in the military.

I hope your obtuseness is deliberate.

Reformentia stated that Whittier had a duty to report his lack of sleep to proper military authorities.

You feebly tried to deny it.

But, as Reformentia replied, the FIVE DAYS WITHOUT SLEEP is a medical condition that should be reported -- whether or not Whittier has been visited by the supernatural!

Moreoever, the lack of sleep could well explain some of the more recent visions. Or they could have a mutual cause.
my chain of command has already noticed it. So I have no need whatever to report anything. Once more, it does not impact my ability to do my duty.
The last time I went to field, I went without sleep for 4 days cause I was the only who they trusted to put in a communications system. I ended up having to go to both sites to set it up cause the guys on the other end weren't putting enough into getting the system up. On the 4th day I ended up bringing the system in. Which the other people, who were getting sleep, were unable to do for some reason. And it involved putting up a 30 foot pole with 40 lbs of equipment on top with nothing more than some ropes.
Course, after I got my chain of command did order me to get some sleep. Cause I didn't feel like sleeping, I wanted to start on the next thing that needed to be done.

The symptoms you describe are that of sleep paralysis. Look into it. It's not evil demons I assume you. I certainly hope that was tonge-in-check cause if not its about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

my chain of command has already noticed it. So I have no need whatever to report anything. Once more, it does not impact my ability to do my duty.
The last time I went to field, I went without sleep for 4 days cause I was the only who they trusted to put in a communications system. I ended up having to go to both sites to set it up cause the guys on the other end weren't putting enough into getting the system up. On the 4th day I ended up bringing the system in. Which the other people, who were getting sleep, were unable to do for some reason. And it involved putting up a 30 foot pole with 40 lbs of equipment on top with nothing more than some ropes.
Course, after I got my chain of command did order me to get some sleep. Cause I didn't feel like sleeping, I wanted to start on the next thing that needed to be done.

Okay, now THAT is a medical condition.

Again, acting like you don't understand is unbecoming.

I responded very specifically to what Whittier asked. Trying to make it seem like I was saying something else is asinine.

Moreover, the question is his credibility: He thinks they exist. Yet he never sought any help. Even though he claims to be under spiritual attack, he has never sought spiritual help.

He said it was because there were no doctors or spiritual advisors where he was.

But we know that to be untrue.

We also know he claims these things have happened since he was a child. We know not for how long, but for over 10 years.

Yet, he never sought help? Even when he was 5 or 6?

(My guess is he will soon change his story to claim he did seek help in the past. Maybe he won't know that I have forecasted it.)

This is what has happened: It went from no possiblity to well there must be a logical reason...Tell me why you believe the facts that you have taken from his writings if you dont believe what he is saying now. Your whole point is trying to make him contradict himself, to make him a liar, instead of trying to find more about the thing itself. Do you really that strongly think he is making this up?

actually no I haven't.

I did go and talk to this psychiatrist my sister was seeing but he said there was nothing wrong me.
but I only talked to him one time, on the phone for like 15 minutes.

Wonders never cease. I must be psychic.

I'm glad someone in your family is willing to seek help when needed.

But talking to a psychiatrist on the phone for 15 minutes once sometimes in the past doesn't really count.

Whether he could detect any mental illness would depend entirely on what you told him ? Did you mention the visions? That beings were trying to possess you?

If this conversation happened, I highly doubt the psychiatrist opined as to your mental fitness.

Im getting annoyed ;)

my chain of command has already noticed it. So I have no need whatever to report anything. Once more, it does not impact my ability to do my duty.

Oh really? Your chain of command knows you're operating on over 100 consecutive hours without sleep due to you seeing visions which are preventing it and they haven't sent you to the infirmary?

Color me more and more skeptical of this story... :rolleyes:

This is what has happened: It went from no possiblity to well there must be a logical reason...Tell me why you believe the facts that you have taken from his writings if you dont believe what he is saying now. Your whole point is trying to make him contradict himself, to make him a liar, instead of trying to find more about the thing itself. Do you really that strongly think he is making this up?

1. As I said, I've caught him in lies before. He makes things up. (If you note, he responded to this before by saying it was not relevant. He did not deny it.)

2. I didn't try to make him a liar. He lied. I proved it.

3. My position has been rather straightforward and consistent.

4. Why are you willing to assume he is telling the truth about parts of his story when he clearly has lied about some parts and keeps changing other parts?

Wonders never cease. I must be psychic.

I'm glad someone in your family is willing to seek help when needed.

But talking to a psychiatrist on the phone for 15 minutes once sometimes in the past doesn't really count.

Whether he could detect any mental illness would depend entirely on what you told him ? Did you mention the visions? That beings were trying to possess you?

If this conversation happened, I highly doubt the psychiatrist opined as to your mental fitness.
no I didn't ask him about it. Why the heck should I. They weren't bothering me at the time.

Oh really? Your chain of command knows you're operating on over 100 consecutive hours without sleep due to you seeing visions which are preventing it and they haven't sent you to the infirmary?

Color me more and more skeptical of this story... :rolleyes:

SOme military missions last way more then that comrade.

Dee dee dum dum :sniper:

1. As I said, I've caught him in lies before. He makes things up. (If you note, he responded to this before by saying it was not relevant. He did not deny it.)

2. I didn't try to make him a liar. He lied. I proved it.

3. My position has been rather straightforward and consistent.

4. Why are you willing to assume he is telling the truth about parts of his story when he clearly has lied about some parts and keeps changing other parts?

i am not defending that he is telling the truth. I am defending that there is a possibility.

Oh really? Your chain of command knows you're operating on over 100 consecutive hours without sleep due to you seeing visions which are preventing it and they haven't sent you to the infirmary?

Color me more and more skeptical of this story... :rolleyes:
no cause that time it didn't involve entities. It involved a desire to get the job done so I could go home and not have to stay in the field longer than I needed to.

1. As I said, I've caught him in lies before. He makes things up. (If you note, he responded to this before by saying it was not relevant. He did not deny it.)

2. I didn't try to make him a liar. He lied. I proved it.

3. My position has been rather straightforward and consistent.

4. Why are you willing to assume he is telling the truth about parts of his story when he clearly has lied about some parts and keeps changing other parts?
1. It wasn't relevant and isn't.

2. I am not lying and you have not proved anything except that you are a skeptic of anything involving the supernatural.

3. Seems to me that you have changed your position from "its hallucinations" to "he lying about everything".

4. I haven't changed anything. I stand by everything I am saying.

This reminds me of the Play Twelve Angry Men. I call Juror 8...lol :D

He he he. I figured out something Mr. Cat Tribe is good at.

Character defamation.

He he he. I figured out something Mr. Cat Tribe is good at.

Character defamation.


:p

He he he. I figured out something Mr. Cat Tribe is good at.

Character defamation.

Sorry, old chum, but it ain't defamation if it is true. :)

Sorry, old chum, but it ain't defamation if it is true. :)

:headbang: (nice use of an insult tho cat tribe, even if i dont agree with you)

:headbang: (nice use of an insult tho cat tribe, even if i dont agree with you)

The only word in his statement that even closely resembles an insult is "old".

SOme military missions last way more then that comrade.


Wow... you've got an impressive set of blinders on ya don't you?

The guy is on duty in a military base, experiencing visions, and the visions have kept him from sleeping for over 100 hours and your only response is that there are some military missions that last longer than that?

Tell me something, you think when those missions are occuring the soldiers performing them aren't firmly instructed to get some freaking sleep once in a while? Or were you under the impression that for the entire duration of any military operation the participating soldiers were wide awake from beginning to end?

Soldier. Experiencing visions. Visions preventing him from sleeping for 5 freaking days when after 3 days of sleep deprivation there is medically documented impairment of higher brain functions... and there's honestly a synapse that fired in your brainpan that told you that this was something that would be of no concern to a military chain of command?

The only word in his statement that even closely resembles an insult is "old".

calling someone a liar isnt an insult? :confused:

no cause that time it didn't involve entities. It involved a desire to get the job done so I could go home and not have to stay in the field longer than I needed to.

What the heck are you talking about? You said your chain of command was aware of your current situation so you weren't required to report it.

Wow... you've got an impressive set of blinders on ya don't you?

The guy is on duty in a military base, experiencing visions, and the visions have kept him from sleeping for over 100 hours and your only response is that there are some military missions that last longer than that?

Tell me something, you think when those missions are occuring the soldiers performing them aren't firmly instructed to get some freaking sleep once in a while? Or were you under the impression that for the entire duration of any military operation the participating soldiers were wide awake from beginning to end?

Soldier. Experiencing visions. Visions preventing him from sleeping for 5 freaking days when after 3 days of sleep deprivation there is medically documented impairment of higher brain functions... and there's honestly a synapse that fired in your brainpan that told you that this was something that would be of no concern to a military chain of command?

1.lmao, yes i do

2.No i dont think missions should go without extensive sleep before hand, but guess what, he wasnt on a damn mission, he was stationed at a border fort, what the hell is gonna happen there?

I like how Rusiennne and Wittier have resorted to childish insults several times.
And if Wittier is really christian why does he swear so much?

Sorry, old chum, but it ain't defamation if it is true. :)
you haven't proven any of it to be true.

How was i being childish? Got to go to bed, be back in the morning to defend my positions.

4. I haven't changed anything. I stand by everything I am saying.

Including that there are no spiritual advisors where you are stationed, even though someone found a link to the chaplain's office?

1.lmao, yes i do

Then there is really no hope for having a rational conversation with you about this.

2.No i dont think missions should go without extensive sleep before hand,

When exactly was any mention made of "sleep beforehand"?

but guess what, he wasnt on a damn mission, he was stationed at a border fort, what the hell is gonna happen there?

Are you now suggesting you think military bases aren't a dangerous place to have someone with seriously impaired mental functionality wandering around?

The street in front of my HOUSE is a dangerous place for someone who has been sleep deprived for five days for cripes sake. He could drop off into a period of microsleep and get hit by a truck without ever even seeing it coming.

I like how Rusiennne and Wittier have resorted to childish insults several times.
And if Wittier is really christian why does he swear so much?
and you know ?? about being christian?
And I don't care for what you think a christian should act.
No where have we resorted to insults in this thread. though I have been insulted repeated by the skeptics.
get your facts straight.

all of you shut the hell up. This guy wouldnt bother to write all of this for a joke. Millions of people have reported strange things, and we laugh at them. The people who deny that supernatural things exist is the people that need help. We are not alone in this universe, and there is no way whittier is lying. Lay off.

:( You people are pathetic


There's one of your insults right there, calling them pathetic.

Including that there are no spiritual advisors where you are stationed, even though someone found a link to the chaplain's office?
I am very close to calling you an idiot. Do you know that?
being a chaplain does not make one a spiritual advisor. There's more to it than just having a peice of paper saying you are a chaplain.

There's one of your insults right there, calling them pathetic.
you call that an insult?

I am very close to calling you an idiot. Do you know that?
being a chaplain does not make one a spiritual advisor. There's more to it than just having a peice of paper saying you are a chaplain.

Then go to a nearby church. If they can't help, there're people of other religions just as qualified or perhaps more so, than any clergyman.

...nice real nice...how you can say that while not actually knowing the person in RL life is beyond me. Nice job, youve won the asshole award for the day.


Really nice of you.

what has been proven here is the precise reason why I am very uncomfortable talking to anyone about it.
Now that i've seen your reactions I won't talk to anyone about it, in person.
Most certainly not any fake pastors or false chaplains.

You do know that sleep deprivation leads to hallucinations after approximately 48-60 hours, right? That at least would explain a lot...

what has been proven here is the precise reason why I am very uncomfortable talking to anyone about it.
Now that i've seen your reactions I won't talk to anyone about it, in person.
Most certainly not any fake pastors or false chaplains.

Oh, shove the guilt trip right up your ass. You admitted several times that you had no intentions of ever getting help; don't act as though we had some effect on your decision.

what has been proven here is the precise reason why I am very uncomfortable talking to anyone about it.
Now that i've seen your reactions I won't talk to anyone about it, in person.
Most certainly not any fake pastors or false chaplains.

Despite the fact some of us, myself included, have given you valid advice that you seem to have disregarded? That bothers me. I'm generally a skeptic, and not too wiling to help someone else. However, if it falls into a category I tend to know a good deal aobut, and feel moved enough to help, and said advice seems to have been blatantly disregarded, I find that not only rude, but insulting.

I am very close to calling you an idiot. Do you know that?
being a chaplain does not make one a spiritual advisor. There's more to it than just having a peice of paper saying you are a chaplain.

I'm very close to calling you a deluded paranoid clown, but phrasing it like this makes it so much less of a flame :rolleyes:

I notice the important distinction in the fact that you said that there is no spiritual advisor, rather than saying that the installation's spiritual advisor is unable to help you.

and you know ?? about being christian?
And I don't care for what you think a christian should act.
No where have we resorted to insults in this thread. though I have been insulted repeated by the skeptics.
get your facts straight.

I'll admit, I really know very little about Christianity.
But isn't it a sin to swear, or something?
And you did ask someone to kiss your big fat american ass.
That counts as a childish insult, in my book.

Then go to a nearby church. If they can't help, there're people of other religions just as qualified or perhaps more so, than any clergyman.
the reason I don't feel comfortable with that is that churches are more concerned with upping their numbers than with helping people. There are a great many Pastors whose attitudes are "well we'll help you but only if you help warm our pews every Sunday and regularly contribute money to our coffers."
and also, when they get up preach false doctrines like predistination and secret raptures where Jesus meets you in the cellar and takes you directly to heaven. Neither of those biblical and hence represent false christian doctrine. Those who preach such things are not in tune with the spirit world.

Now other religions that don't claim christianity, I don't know about.

Oh, shove the guilt trip right up your ass. You admitted several times that you had no intentions of ever getting help; don't act as though we had some effect on your decision.
now you have to flame eh?

you haven't proven any of it to be true.

Okaaaaayyy ....

You said this:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8957827&postcount=86


I still don't quite understand why, if you are being tormented by the supernatural, you have not spoken confidentially to your spiritual advisor to seek his or her aid and protection. Isn't it said that where three people pray about the same thing, God hears?

And ruling out a physical or chemical imbalance-related reason for this experience would not be a bad idea either...

there are none here

And this:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8957923&postcount=94

You are somewhere where there are no spiritual advisors?

What about doctors?

And your claimed events stretch back over more than a decade -- yet you've never sought spiritual help?

there are none where I am now.

Yet.

1. There are doctors there. In fact, you've said in this thread you just had a hernia operation.

2. There are spiritual advisors there. I linked the on-base Chaplain's office. Here are those links again:
http://www.huachuca.army.mil/PUBSFORM/STAFF/chaplain.htm
http://www.huachuca.army.mil/USAG/Chaplain/

You've admitted you can leave the base. There are copious churches and spiritual advisors of almost every stripe there:
http://sierravista.areaconnect.com/churches.htm
http://www.switchboard.com/Religion/Sierra%20Vista/AZ/Yellowpages_Results.html

Also, as you know and have very conveniently avoided but not denied here, I have caught you lying before.

Nope. No defamation.

You might note, my original posts in this thread were sympathetic. As were those of many others.

You managed to exhaust our patience and your credibility.

now you have to flame eh?

Try again. I did not flame.

Just because a guy wears a stole and speaks from a pulpit doesn't make him a real Christian. Indeed Christ himself said many false prophets and false shepherds will come to lead many astray and because of the increase of evil the love of some will grow cold. If you look at Christians you will lose your faith - almost a guarantee. Look at Christ.

Read the Bible, pray everyday, follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and do unto others what you want them to do to you. No man can do better.

God bless,
Maharlikana

Despite the fact some of us, myself included, have given you valid advice that you seem to have disregarded? That bothers me. I'm generally a skeptic, and not too wiling to help someone else. However, if it falls into a category I tend to know a good deal aobut, and feel moved enough to help, and said advice seems to have been blatantly disregarded, I find that not only rude, but insulting.
give me one good reason to. Look at the way I am treated here. Like nothing really happened. I've been called psychotic and schiz by a few people in this thread.
Do you really think I want to talk about it after that kind of treatment?

*snip*.

I think that you and Wittier are misunderstanding eachother.

I think that before Wittier was being vague and not thinking too much before posting (which we all do sometimes), and he doesnt want to say or doesnt really know that he was being vague. He will probably respond saying that he answered both of the things you mentioned.

Okaaaaayyy ....

You said this:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8957827&postcount=86



And this:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8957923&postcount=94


Yet.

1. There are doctors there. In fact, you've said in this thread you just had a hernia operation.

2. There are spiritual advisors there. I linked the on-base Chaplain's office. Here are those links again:
http://www.huachuca.army.mil/PUBSFORM/STAFF/chaplain.htm
http://www.huachuca.army.mil/USAG/Chaplain/

You've admitted you can leave the base. There are copious churches and spiritual advisors of almost every stripe there:
http://sierravista.areaconnect.com/churches.htm
http://www.switchboard.com/Religion/Sierra%20Vista/AZ/Yellowpages_Results.html

Also, as you know and have very conveniently avoided but not denied here, I have caught you lying before.

Nope. No defamation.

You might note, my original posts in this thread were sympathetic. As were those of many others.

You managed to exhaust our patience and your credibility.

1. Doctors are not spiritual advisors. They can't do anything bout spiritual encounters. They only deal with the physical body.

2. As I have stated over and over again, being a chaplain does not make you a spiritual advisor. But you keep ignoring that.

3. You said I was schizophrenic and needed mental help. You call that being sympathetic?

4. You have proven you don't really know what a spiritual advisor is. Having a license to preach in whatever religion, does not make you a spiritual advisor.

1. Doctors are not spiritual advisors. They can't do anything bout spiritual encounters. They only deal with the physical body.

2. As I have stated over and over again, being a chaplain does not make you a spiritual advisor. But you keep ignoring that.

3. You said I was schizophrenic and needed mental help. You call that being sympathetic?

4. You have proven you don't really know what a spiritual advisor is. Having a license to preach in whatever religion, does not make you a spiritual advisor.

... I so called that...

give me one good reason to. Look at the way I am treated here. Like nothing really happened. I've been called psychotic and schiz by a few people in this thread.
Do you really think I want to talk about it after that kind of treatment?

Only a select group have placed you on the defensive. However, to completely disregard the advice given to you because of a certain number of skeptics is rather assinine and ill thought out. It's as if someone gave you food, when you were hungry, and someone else doubted your hunger, and you refused to eat the food. Not the best analogy, but it works.

... I so called that...
I saw your post after I posted it. ;)

what has been proven here is the precise reason why I am very uncomfortable talking to anyone about it.
Now that i've seen your reactions I won't talk to anyone about it, in person.
Most certainly not any fake pastors or false chaplains.

Your feeble attempt at emotional blackmail will be ignored for the bullshit it is. You've said you've suffered from these supernatural attacks for over 10 years. And you've never sought help. So, you cannot blame us. You can only blame your own cowardice.

You did claim you had talked to people about it in person though -- remember the Denny's waitress? Is it hard keeping your story straight?

Are there no real pastors or real chaplains?

You take spiritual advice from the movie Constantine, but there is no one on earth worthy of giving you spiritual help?

Quit throwing tantrums and seek some help already.

You complained of constantly being scared of supernatural attack.

Yet you reject any suggestion that you seek aid.

And you wonder why people became skeptical?

I saw your post after I posted it. ;)
I know, its just that I accurately predicted your actions based on what you've been doing so far.

give me one good reason to.

You're obligated to report to your superiors any physical symptoms which threaten your readiness for duty. Seeing as 5 days of sleep deprivation is at the point where periods of waking "micro sleep" blackouts, visual and auditory hallucinations, and impairment of higher brain functions occurs you are presented with two options.

1. Do your duty and report to the infirmary.
2. Be incredibly stupid and try to reach day 6. That's when you get into the realm of experiencing sleep deprivation psychosis.

EDIT: I should add that personally I think you're full of it... but on the off chance you are telling the truth the above applies.

Your feeble attempt at emotional blackmail will be ignored for the bullshit it is. You've said you've suffered from these supernatural attacks for over 10 years. And you've never sought help. So, you cannot blame us. You can only blame your own cowardice.

You did claim you had talked to people about it in person though -- remember the Denny's waitress? Is it hard keeping your story straight?

Are there no real pastors or real chaplains?

You take spiritual advice from the movie Constantine, but there is no one on earth worthy of giving you spiritual help?

Quit throwing tantrums and seek some help already.

You complained of constantly being scared of supernatural attack.

Yet you reject any suggestion that you seek aid.

And you wonder why people became skeptical?

take some advice, stick to law
arguing on spiritual matters doesn't fit you.

If you are actively on duty in Arizona or wherever, how is it that you're posting here? If you have some free time, then you should get some sleep as everyone else is saying.

Also, you say half the people called you schitzophrenic (dunno how to spell it). It's more like 1-2 people called you scitzo and some people said you could have some mental illness, and the rest said you're just unhealthy and should seek help.

EDIT: I correct myself, you didnt say half the people called you scitz, you just said a few. But your response implies that everyone was being mean and accusing to you.

You're obligated to report to your superiors any physical symptoms which threaten your readiness for duty. Seeing as 5 days of sleep deprivation is at the point where periods of waking "micro sleep" blackouts, visual and auditory hallucinations, and impairment of higher brain functions occurs you are presented with two options.

1. Do your duty and report to the infirmary.
2. Be incredibly stupid and try to reach day 6. That's when you get into the realm of experiencing sleep deprivation psychosis.

EDIT: I should add that personally I think you're full of it... but on the off chance you are telling the truth the above applies.
you are assuming that all of experiences are the result of the lack of sleep.
when the lack of sleep is actually a recent phenomenon

If you are actively on duty in Arizona or wherever, how is it that you're posting here? If you have some free time, then you should get some sleep as everyone else is saying.

Also, you say half the people called you schitzophrenic (dunno how to spell it). It's more like 1-2 people called you scitzo and some people said you could have some mental illness, and the rest said you're just unhealthy and should seek help.
I did sleep, as I said earlier. I slept from 4 am to 1245 pm. A total of 8 and a half hours.

I am posting cause when you are based in the US you are not on duty 24 hours.
Plus, as I have stated already I am on convalescent leave from a surgery I had 3 weeks back.

they said I had a mental illness. I didn't see them say "could" I saw them say "have".

you are assuming that all of experiences are the result of the lack of sleep.
when the lack of sleep is actually a recent phenomenon

Have you thought that possibly, through some series of coincidences, you have just been prone to illusions etc throughout your life? Maybe from many different things like a mixture of sleep paralysis, sleep deprivation, paranoia, and stress.
But I'm no psychiatrist, so I must know nothing of these kinds of things.

Also, when you recount the incident at the water fountain you say your friends said "holy crap, run faster" or something like that. Did you ask them why they said that, or what they saw?
Edited for Grammar and word mistakes

1. Doctors are not spiritual advisors. They can't do anything bout spiritual encounters. They only deal with the physical body.

You denied there were either.

And doctors could rule out mental illness or physical causes. They could also help you sleep.

You are merely assuming doctors cannot help.

Are your feet wet? Can you see the pyramids? It's cause you are in ....

2. As I have stated over and over again, being a chaplain does not make you a spiritual advisor. But you keep ignoring that.

Which is very special for you to believe.

But chaplains aren't the only resource available, are they?

3. You said I was schizophrenic and needed mental help. You call that being sympathetic?

A. Here was my original post. I do call it sympathetic:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8956867&postcount=62

Whittier,

In all seriousness, if you are being sincere about your current lack of sleep, visions, and thoughts, you need to seek help.

You should talk to a doctor.

At least talk to a chaplain.

Whether or not you believe in the supernatural, your lack of sleep is seriously unhealthy.

You are putting yourself and others in danger by depriving yourself of sleep and not seeking help.

B. I never suggested you were schizophrenic. Is that another vision you had?

C. Suggesting you need mental help is sympathetic. I need mental help. More than 54 million Americans have a mental disorder in any given year. It isn't something to be ashamed of.

4. You have proven you don't really know what a spiritual advisor is. Having a license to preach in whatever religion, does not make you a spiritual advisor.

I've proven there are scores of Christian churches in your area. There must be many other spiritual resources.

It was not true that there are no doctors in your area.
It was not true that there are no spiritual advisors in your area.
And you do not deny I have caught you lying before.

I did not defame you. I exposed your falsehoods.

The question remains whether you were telling the truth about other parts of your story. And whether your perceptions are accurate.

If the rest of what you are saying is true, what you have proven is that you are too cowardly to seek help. More scared of seeking help than you are of the alleged supernatural attackers that "scare the crap out of [you]."

I did sleep, as I said earlier. I slept from 4 am to 1245 pm. A total of 8 and a half hours.

I am posting cause when you are based in the US you are not on duty 24 hours.
Plus, as I have stated already I am on convalescent leave from a surgery I had 3 weeks back.

they said I had a mental illness. I didn't see them say "could" I saw them say "have".
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that you were still on duty and still on your 5 day lack of sleep.
I forgot about the 3 week convalescent you are on, and I guess from responses others were giving I thought you were still lacked from the sleep.

take some advice, stick to law
arguing on spiritual matters doesn't fit you.

And he goes for non-responsive. Swish!

Ladies and gentleman, we have a great example of mendacity here. I'm honored to be part of this broadcast.

He makes things up. *crowd roars*

He avoids the question yet again. *crowd roars*

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that you were still on duty and still on your 5 day lack of sleep.
I forgot about the 3 week convalescent you are on, and I guess from responses others were giving I thought you were still lacked from the sleep.
I understand. I honestly don;t understand why they keep saying I should sleep when I've only been up for 6 hours.

If the rest of what you are saying is true, what you have proven is that you are too cowardly to seek help. More scared of seeking help than you are of the alleged supernatural attackers that "scare the crap out of [you]."

So I'm afraid to seek help. So sue me.

So I'm afraid to seek help. Sue me.

I'm glad you admit it. That is a start.

Now, suck it up and do it anyway.

I'm glad you admit it. That is a start.

Now, suck it up and do it anyway.
hell no.

I'm glad you admit it. That is a start.

Now, suck it up and do it anyway.

Hehe... funniest thing said yet in this thread...

*ahem*

Witter, while you are on your 3 week whatever, you should at least ask someone about your visions, or possibly seek some online spiritual advisor; I'm sure you could find one somewhere.

Edited for word mistakes once more.

You had a bad dream. You either dreamt you woke up when you had not (which is common) or you had a mild sensation of panic after you awoke. Merely the lingering sensation of the bad dream.

I once had a dream where I thought I woke up and went in my restroom and took a piss... Those where my only pair of sheets at the time. ;)

you are assuming that all of experiences are the result of the lack of sleep.
when the lack of sleep is actually a recent phenomenon

No... I am telling you that 5 days of sleep deprivation ALL BY ITSELF is a condition that significantly undermines your physical readiness for duty and obligates you to march your ass to the infirmary and tell a doctor about it.

Everything else stacked on top of it would only make it worse... REGARDLESS of the cause. It's quite possible that you are having difficulty comprehending this simple statement because your higher brain functions are impaired due to sleep deprivation. That starts to happen after about THREE days.

All of the above assuming this is all not a complete fabrication. Which is what I am leaning towards.

No... I am telling you that 5 days of sleep deprivation ALL BY ITSELF is a condition that significantly undermines your physical readiness for duty and obligates you to march your ass to the infirmary and tell a doctor about it.

Everything else stacked on top of it would only make it worse... REGARDLESS of the cause. It's quite possible that you are having difficulty comprehending this simple statement because your higher brain functions are impaired due to sleep deprivation. That starts to happen after about THREE days.

All of the above assuming this is all not a complete fabrication. Which is what I am leaning towards.
sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.

I also once had a sorta quasi dream when I was about 7. I thought I woke up and on the edge of the bed was poomba from the lion king staring at me. I tried to chase after him and he ran away from me and flew down the stairs (litterally). I cant remember correctly but I think I tried to fly down the stairs but couldn't... :headbang:

Edit: I thought I was forgetting something, With poomba was Spiderman or a ninja turtle with antlers...

sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.

Stunningly cogent rebuttal.

sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.

Really, I have told this to you before, but your problem is you are bored, lazy and undisciplined.

I'll tell you how to get rid of all these problems right now:

1. Adopt a health diet. No more "junk food", no more "burgers and fries". Start eating a healthy balanced diet involving lots of fresh fruits, fresh green veg. and sensible amounts of meat.

2. Get up early each morning and take a five mile run. (If you can't make all five miles, then run as much as you can and walk the rest.)

3. After the working day is done. (9.30 am by all accounts in the modern US army). Start a calesthenics routine.

4. Take up a vigorous hobby like thorugh hiking.

5. Stop drinking.


Follow those and you will sleep like a baby, and all your problems will dissappear. Idle hands are the devils plaything &c.

Really, I have told this to you before, but your problem is you are bored, lazy and undisciplined.

I'll tell you how to get rid of all these problems right now:

1. Adopt a health diet. No more "junk food", no more "burgers and fries". Start eating a healthy balanced diet involving lots of fresh fruits, fresh green veg. and sensible amounts of meat.

2. Get up early each morning and take a five mile run. (If you can't make all five miles, then run as much as you can and walk the rest.)

3. After the working day is done. (9.30 am by all accounts in the modern US army). Start a calesthenics routine.

4. Take up a vigorous hobby like thorugh hiking.

5. Stop drinking.


Follow those and you will sleep like a baby, and all your problems will dissappear. Idle hands are the devils plaything &c.

I predict he will yell at you for assuming he is fat and lazy, then I will point out that he himself said he has a fat, American ass.
Elsewise, if he sees this post before posting, he will admit to being a little fat and lazy, but since I already said it he will come up with something unique and possibly intellectible, followed by an insult to me for insinuating that his other posts arent intellectible.

EDIT: 3 posts edited for errors in a row 4tw!

I predict he will yell at you for assuming he is fat and lazy, then I will point out that he himself said he has a fat, American ass.
Elsewise, if he sees this post before posting, he will admit to being a little fat and lazy, but since I already said it he will come up with something unique and possibly intellectible, followed by an insult to me for insinuating that his other posts arent intellectible.

EDIT: 3 posts edited for errors in a row 4tw!

Yah, but you have to admit, 9/10 that plan works for things like this.

It's tough medicine at first, but once people get into it, they are like,"Fuck I feel totally awesome."

I've known whittier- was insane for a long time.

You can do a search.

Whittier I am the only person in this thread that questioned if you were schizophrenic. I said: I can't decide if you're schizophrenic or trying to pull our legs. I really think you might be schizophrenic. I'm not a psychologist but what you have described sounds like the experience a friend of mine had, he was diagnosed as schizophrenic. It all seemed very real to him, as it does to you I'm sure and it is very frightening so you try and make sense of it rather than get help. I don't deny that the paranormal exists, but your stories and his are so similar that I am concerned for your health.

I think you should check the area for gas leaks, and if there are none, you are most likely crazy. Not a little crazy because you spend hours of time sharing it with us in great detail. Which is looney.

Pray for gas leaks.

http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html


Sounds like the OP has a rather severe case of sleep paralysis, or some variation of it. I have a very moderate form of it...basically not being able to move or do anything for a few seconds right before I fall asleep.

Sorry to hear about your battle with the spiritual realm! My battle is with the human beings! My neighbors are, excuse the rather unchristian statement, people that are very difficult to love!!! I come home from work and would like to nap...NOT A CHANCE, SISTER! Constant running down the hall, screaming at the top of their unsupervised lungs! Disrespectful, unkept, uneducated, unsocialized..........the adjectives go on and on!!! I lie down at night, every night hoping, praying for just one good nights sleep. Do I get just one? NO WAY, BABY!!! Every single blessed night it's something else! Unruly teenagers, domestic battles, drunk and disorderlies!!!! So I am watching the clouds, and praying and praying and praying..........LORD COME TODAY!!!!! Meanwhile, I wish you, and me, just one peaceful night. Love, Renosweetgirl XXX

Sorry to hear about your battle with the spiritual realm! My battle is with the human beings! My neighbors are, excuse the rather unchristian statement, people that are very difficult to love!!! I come home from work and would like to nap...NOT A CHANCE, SISTER! Constant running down the hall, screaming at the top of their unsupervised lungs! Disrespectful, unkept, uneducated, unsocialized..........the adjectives go on and on!!! I lie down at night, every night hoping, praying for just one good nights sleep. Do I get just one? NO WAY, BABY!!! Every single blessed night it's something else! Unruly teenagers, domestic battles, drunk and disorderlies!!!! So I am watching the clouds, and praying and praying and praying..........LORD COME TODAY!!!!! Meanwhile, I wish you, and me, just one peaceful night. Love, Renosweetgirl XXX

If you can't sleep, you are not tired.

Sorry to hear about your battle with the spiritual realm! My battle is with the human beings! My neighbors are, excuse the rather unchristian statement, people that are very difficult to love!!! I come home from work and would like to nap...NOT A CHANCE, SISTER! Constant running down the hall, screaming at the top of their unsupervised lungs! Disrespectful, unkept, uneducated, unsocialized..........the adjectives go on and on!!! I lie down at night, every night hoping, praying for just one good nights sleep. Do I get just one? NO WAY, BABY!!! Every single blessed night it's something else! Unruly teenagers, domestic battles, drunk and disorderlies!!!! So I am watching the clouds, and praying and praying and praying..........LORD COME TODAY!!!!! Meanwhile, I wish you, and me, just one peaceful night. Love, Renosweetgirl XXX

If it's so bad, m'thinks you'd move.

But you haven't been sleeping. Hallucinations are common when one is sleep deprived.

I suppose hallucinations are common when a person is sleep deprived, but I can honestly swear I went 16 days NO SLEEP and no hallucinations. Felt like shit, but no hallucinations.

If you can't sleep, you are not tired.

Also, very untrue... It's amazing what the brain can do. But when I went that 16 days of hell, I was told "You'll eventually sleep." And I did... AFTER SIXTEEN FREAKIN' DAYS! But I didn't hallucinate and wouldn't wish that experience on anyone. And no, you don't die from lack of sleep, even for that long, or I wouldn't be here.

2. You have no credibility to say there is nothing there, cause face it, no one has ever gone to the other side and come back.


I thought you said you believed in Christ :p :D :p

In all seriousness, you should see a Doctor. At worst, he looks you over, says nothing's wrong, and you can post here with more credibility. At best, he gives you something that helps.

Also, very untrue... It's amazing what the brain can do. But when I went that 16 days of hell, I was told "You'll eventually sleep." And I did... AFTER SIXTEEN FREAKIN' DAYS! But I didn't hallucinate and wouldn't wish that experience on anyone. And no, you don't die from lack of sleep, even for that long, or I wouldn't be here.

There is an Australian woman who has not slept in years according to A Current Affair. Every night she lies down and closes her eyes but brain tests have shown that while she is relaxed she does not sleep. It was an interesting story.

I am fully aware of what sleep paralysis is. I studied it when it first came out in the early 90's. But it doesn't go away just because you start thinking christian thoughts or invoke the name of Christ or some other diety. It goes away on its own after a while. Because my first couple of experiences were prior to the discovery of sleep paralysis, I just assumed it explained those experiences. But now I am not so sure. Cause each time, when I invoked Christ's name, it stopped.
My most recent experience, it stopped as soon as I invoked Christs name. Sleep paralysis does not stop when you invoke Christ's name. It goes away on its own after at least 20 to 30 minutes.
In my recent experience, when I woke up, as soon as I felt it the presence, I invoked Christ, and it went away instantly.
There are too many people on here assuming I haven't investigated other possibilities. Like sleep paralysis, those other possibilities have been looked at and ruled out.
And the type of lifestyle that Lacaedmon was advising, only helps with sleep problems. It doesn't keep the entities away.

I suppose hallucinations are common when a person is sleep deprived, but I can honestly swear I went 16 days NO SLEEP and no hallucinations. Felt like shit, but no hallucinations.
As posted earlier, that assuming the sightings and the feelings come after not sleeping. But if you get regular sleep and still see them, it does not apply.
Also if you feeling them or seeing them before you stop sleeping, because the lack of sleep is result of having the feelings that something is there, then you cannot attribute it to lack of sleep.
The posts saying its all due to lack of sleep are not looking at the whole picture.
I've been having these experiences before I started going without sleep. Therefore lack of sleep is not the primary cause, but was a result.

I am fully aware of what sleep paralysis is. I studied it when it first came out in the early 90's. But it doesn't go away just because you start thinking christian thoughts or invoke the name of Christ or some other diety. It goes away on its own after a while. Because my first couple of experiences were prior to the discovery of sleep paralysis, I just assumed it explained those experiences. But now I am not so sure. Cause each time, when I invoked Christ's name, it stopped.
My most recent experience, it stopped as soon as I invoked Christs name. Sleep paralysis does not stop when you invoke Christ's name. It goes away on its own after at least 20 to 30 minutes.
In my recent experience, when I woke up, as soon as I felt it the presence, I invoked Christ, and it went away instantly.
There are too many people on here assuming I haven't investigated other possibilities. Like sleep paralysis, those other possibilities have been looked at and ruled out.
And the type of lifestyle that Lacaedmon was advising, only helps with sleep problems. It doesn't keep the entities away.

Maybe it's Jesus that's sitting on your back - and he doesn't let you up until you say his name.

As posted earlier, that assuming the sightings and the feelings come after not sleeping. But if you get regular sleep and still see them, it does not apply.
Also if you feeling them or seeing them before you stop sleeping, because the lack of sleep is result of having the feelings that something is there, then you cannot attribute it to lack of sleep.
The posts saying its all due to lack of sleep are not looking at the whole picture.
I've been having these experiences before I started going without sleep. Therefore lack of sleep is not the primary cause, but was a result.

Those things are often very shocking particularly if they haven't happened to you before or rarely. There are other causes for that - I would suggest you eat light dinners and let the food settle because heavy dinners can cause death. The body digests the food while you're sleeping and the heart gives out or something. You die in your sleep. It may be that too.

So does it still happen?

Those things are often very shocking particularly if they haven't happened to you before or rarely. There are other causes for that - I would suggest you eat light dinners and let the food settle because heavy dinners can cause death. The body digests the food while you're sleeping and the heart gives out or something. You die in your sleep. It may be that too.

So does it still happen?
Eating habits have already been ruled out as a cause.

As to your question, what are you referring to?

BTW, when you sleep, your body tends to stop digesting until you wake up.

Something else I've ruled out:
Peripheral Vision.

Cause of the biology of the human eye, your eyes will detect movement on the sides. But because you are not directly looking at that spot, it will look like a shadow or ghost has moved in the corner of your eye.
I attribute most sightings to this. Except the ones I saw head on. That is the ones I looked at directly. Because of this, I will say there have been only two time in my waking life that I have seen the entities.
If you see them head on, its not caused by peripheral vision.