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Sorry, I don't know how to make a link to this guys web site but everyone here is gonna want to see this if they haven't already. Just type ForsaketheTroops on your browser and enjoy. This nut is going to get shot.

Not anytime soon.

To my utter lack of surprise, typing 'ForsaketheTroops' in my browser did nothing whatsoever.

Next!

Well you could have just copy and pasted the site address into your post, but anyway.

Seen it before. From memory he's one of those liberterian survivalist types.

:sniper: got him! your right... this guy's a dumbass

Not anytime soon.

To my utter lack of surprise, typing 'ForsaketheTroops' in my browser did nothing whatsoever.

Next!


Maybe you should ask your mommy to turn off the parental controls. ;)

Maybe you should ask your mommy to turn off the parental controls. ;)


heh, typing 'foresakethetroops' into my browser doesn't do anything either. Maybe in IE it does. I hate IE.

I cant say I like the war.. but this guy deserves to get his ass kicked

Do they realize that US soldiers have given them the right to post that site? Apparently not...Oh well unfortunately this is the price for freedom of speech. They'll be shut down eventually or spammed and hacked to oblivion. They'll get theirs.

As my professor says: "You don't have to honor the war but do honor the warrior." He's right. You don't have to agree with the war but at least honor the soldiers who fight so you don't have to.

Cut&Paste. Cut&Paste, for Bob's sake!

Cut&Paste. Cut&Paste, for Bob's sake!


Someone please show me how to do this. I've never done that before. It sounds simple but I haven't been using computers for very long.

Jeez, I started off by saying I was Sorry, jeez. :(

Someone please show me how to do this. I've never done that before. It sounds simple but I haven't been using computers for very long.

Jeez, I started off by saying I was Sorry, jeez. :(

Those new fangled electric typewriters eh.

Someone please show me how to do this. I've never done that before. It sounds simple but I haven't been using computers for very long.

Jeez, I started off by saying I was Sorry, jeez. :(

Select the address (=URL/IRL) to the homepage in your browser with your mouse cursor. Right click the selection and then select "Cut" in the menu that pops up.

Then right click in the messege you want to send and then pick "Paste". Voilà. The software the forums run on convert valid URL's/IRL's into links automagically.

Select the address (=URL/IRL) to the homepage in your browser with your mouse cursor. Right click the selection and then select "Cut" in the menu that pops up.

Then right click in the messege you want to send and then pick "Paste". Voilà. The software the forums run on convert valid URL's/IRL's into links automagically.


Do you mean from address bar? I can't even get it to show me an address unless I right click on the page and go to properties. I can't get it to show me the address bar.

DOH! :headbang:

Forsake the Troops (http://www.forsakethetroops.info/index.shtml)

there's the site.

The guy, if he ever meets a military person, will be shot.

I'm all for freedom of speech though, it just allows you to be more of an idiot in public.

Hah, that page is funny.

Someone please show me how to do this. I've never done that before. It sounds simple but I haven't been using computers for very long.

Jeez, I started off by saying I was Sorry, jeez. :(

That's ok. Just telex it to everyone.

1) This is really, REALLY old news.

2) You do realize this is getting more traffic to this person's site -- in essense, helping him reach more people than he might have on his own?

3) Perhaps one should lay off the "ask your mommy to turn off parental controls" remarks until cut and paste is a familiar concept? Just a thought.

Actually, on second thought, don't flamebait others like that, k?

Now that's just wrong. I'm against the war in Iraq but this is just wrong.

Cathenia

I found the site funny, possibly even cute...but hey I'm the biggest anti-patriot in this godforsaken country...just please 18th b-day come quickly so I can get out and get a new citzenship.

Well, I'm gonna make myself really unpopular here but who cares...

I hear that politics in the US is mainly about the Republicans hating Government ("starve the beast" I hear them say), and giving as much money to the individual (with the right ethnicity and opinion - but thats just my view).
Bush is pushing through tax cuts that America clearly cannot afford, he does it nonetheless while dismantling a social security system that seems to be working just fine, and where the looming failure predicted seems to be largely taken out of thin air.
And now here is this fella, the ultimate in libertarianism, since he has shed the weight of nationalism to become a complete individual. He is not against the war (explicitly), he is against the money it costs to do all of this.
If you want to cut down Government, shouldn't this huge moloch called the military suffer first?
He says all this in rather less sophisticated language (even less sophisticated than my rabbling), but he doesn't hate America, he hates the money it costs HIM (presumably a taxpayer) to have them get themselves blown up.

Shouldn't every Right-Wing "Government is evil" type of person flock to him?

PS: The US Army didn't give him the chance to post this page, the constitution did. He (presumably) doesn't live in a "liberated" country, but in America. The American citizen's right to post offensive websites was never under a threat the US Army could have protected him from. It is moreso under threat from things like the PATRIOT Act...

comic sans ms
Please Repeat since i didn't understand a word of that and also can't c y that would make u unpopular. :confused: blue :confused:

Well, while I can't agree with this guys message, there is a muddled point he makes in all the absurd crap on that site.

It is true that the miltary spends a lot more than it should. Cutting soldier pay and retirement benefits, however, is not the best way to go about reducing spending. There is a lot of wasteful, and unnecessary spending in the military, and if Congress were to actually make the Pentagon account for itself, we might see the cost of our military drop pretty quick.

Personally I think the easiest way to reduce military spending would be for the military to offer competetive salaries to engineers and scientists, in order to eliminate the need to whore ourselves out to unscrupulous defense contractors...but that's another topic altogether ;)

Whether he's a Dumbass or not and whether you agree with him or not - it's irrelevant. If you don't like what he says/writes, then don't listen to him/read what he's written.

You really should be grateful for guys like that, because it shows you that you still have a freedom of speech.

I'd start worrying if people like him were indeed silenced.

ahhh, libertarians. What will they do next?

Here's the real reason he's pissed off at the military.

He tried to be in the infantry, and couldn't make the runs, so they put him out on a medical.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020809082035/www.silentmike.net/writing/army.html

Speaking as someone who went to the very same military school - Ft. Benning, Georgia, and having known people who couldn't make the runs, he sounds like a crybaby wuss to me who just has sour grapes about not being able to make it.

1) This is really, REALLY old news.

2) You do realize this is getting more traffic to this person's site -- in essense, helping him reach more people than he might have on his own?

3) Perhaps one should lay off the "ask your mommy to turn off parental controls" remarks until cut and paste is a familiar concept? Just a thought.

Actually, on second thought, don't flamebait others like that, k?


1) Lots of people have responded. Some knew already most seemed to not have known.

2) Sure I realize that he's getting more response. By and large, it has and will be negative.

3)Talk about flame baiting. Virtually everthing in your post is flamebait. And you're a moderator? I was only kidding with that post. I've read post that were much more inflammatory than mine. Cut & paste is certainly not a requirment of being a member of these boards. Admit it he was rather abrupt about not being able to find what I told him to look for.-even more evidence that not everyone has seen this.

Do they realize that US soldiers have given them the right to post that site? Apparently not...Oh well unfortunately this is the price for freedom of speech. They'll be shut down eventually or spammed and hacked to oblivion. They'll get theirs.

As my professor says: "You don't have to honor the war but do honor the warrior." He's right. You don't have to agree with the war but at least honor the soldiers who fight so you don't have to.


I agree. If anyone is ineterested in doing more to honor soldiers, their is a great site- www.anysoldier.com
This site gives info on how to send care-type pakages and letters to our soldiers, addresses to send to, items needed, requested and a lot of great responses from the soldiers themselves.
I think its worthwhile and I'm involved, trying to let others know too.

Obviously some bored person has nothing better to do then be purposefully offensive. I don't approve of the Iraq war but a site like this is just awful.

3)Talk about flame baiting. Virtually everthing in your post is flamebait. And you're a moderator?
Whoa, what? I don't see anything in her post that is designed to provoke insults.

I was only kidding with that post.

It doesn't matter if you meant it in jest, it's still flamebait (albeit rather mild).

And I recommend taking a look at the One-stop rules shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023). You seem to be a bit confused about what 'flamebait' is, exactly.

Whoa, what? I don't see anything in her post that is designed to provoke insults.


I would have left this alone but you asked.
Caps means you're yelling. How about the condescending undertone of it all?
If her last statement was the one she really wanted to convey then why not eliminate the rest? Ok perhaps it's not flamebait but it is a lot like "Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be construed as flaming."
I don't really care all that much about this. I just thought since a mod stepped in they should know how I really meant that post.

I would have left this alone but you asked.
Caps means you're yelling. How about the condescending undertone of it all?
If her last statement was the one she really wanted to convey then why not eliminate the rest?

Uh...you suggested that Dobbsworld should "ask his mommy to turn off the parental controls". Isn't that a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

And caps don't necessary signify yelling. They can also be used to EMPHASIZE words. Like so.

The calls for tax breaks to be cut didnt surprise me, thats been talked about elsewhere.

What disturbed me was that he appeared to be enjoing the fact that so many people had died.

Uh...you suggested that Dobbsworld should "ask his mommy to turn off the parental controls". Isn't that a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

And caps don't necessary signify yelling. They can also be used to EMPHASIZE words. Like so.


It's all about context isn't it? 1) This is really, REALLY old news.
When read aloud it has quite a sarcastic tone. The pot calling the kettle black is my point precisely. "Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be construed as flaming."
I'd be happy to argue the point some more if you like but we're drifting from the topic.......can't we all just get along? :fluffle:

America Sucks.... F*ck America

America Sucks.... F*ck America

Now THIS is flamebait.

Now THIS is flamebait.
Good I am glad youre angry American pig

Good I am glad youre angry American pig

I didn't say I was angry, sweetie.

Making the soldiers pay for their own living is going to lower morale, decrease incentive for others to enlist, and in really extreme cases leave the military rank and file vulnerable to corruption and bribery.

Then again if that's what he really wants, at least he's consistent.

I didn't say I was angry, sweetie.
isnt flamebait used to provote an angry respose?

isnt flamebait used to provote an angry respose?

Yes. Just because I'm not angry doesn't mean it won't make other people angry. And your "american pig" comment afterwards show you're clearly trying to get Americans to respond angrily.

It's all about context isn't it? 1) This is really, REALLY old news.
When read aloud it has quite a sarcastic tone. The pot calling the kettle black is my point precisely. "Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be construed as flaming."
I'd be happy to argue the point some more if you like but we're drifting from the topic.......can't we all just get along? :fluffle:

I agree it'd be better not arguing this any further. However, I think the rule you quote is referring to veiled insults rather than mildly sarcastic comments about a thread.


Anyways, back on topic...I don't quite get why the guy's complaining about soldiers getting 'excessive' salaries. The base salary doesn't seem particularly high, especially considering that being a soldier is rather a dangerous job...


isnt flamebait used to provote an angry respose?

Flamebait is an attempt to do so. It doesn't have to be a successful attempt to annoy people.

Good I am glad youre angry American pig
Take a few days to figure out how to interact on these forums. You're not doing it very well.

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Yes. Just because I'm not angry doesn't mean it won't make other people angry.
Thats true, but america still sucks.

comic sans ms
Please Repeat since i didn't understand a word of that and also can't c y that would make u unpopular. :confused: blue :confused:

Oh, it's really not that difficult. I'm saying that
1.
your average libertarian will believe in the power of the individual, rather than in a controlling Government (more or less) representing society as a whole.
2.
Those people often identify with typically right-wing, conservative policies, such as deregulation and privatisation as well as abolishing much of social security and the like.
3.
Those policies are all pushed through by arguing that
a) Government involvement "crowds out" private entrepreneurs/corporations
b) They cost too much money, which would better be used for tax cuts, such that individuals can spend the money on what they believe necessary.
4.
But those very same people (ie conservatives) are also often the loudest when it comes to nationalistic (in the US they call them "patriotic") opinions being voiced. Loudly.
5.
He is saying (and I don't believe you can identify him as the person who couldn't make it and is angry at the military now, simply in order to render his argument invalid), he is saying that the military costs him a lot of money, and that he doesn't want to pay for this service, but is being made to.
6.
So, if one is really a conservative, free market, anti-government type of person, one should support him. Instead, we get those people putting their base naionalism before their own belief system.

That's the inconsistency that i meant to point out.

I'm somewhat surprised to see this particular thread again...and more than somewhat surprised to see the reaction my one and only response garnered. Having had the chance to peruse the site (thanks for an actual link, BLARGistania), I...

...Oh, what am I doing? This just isn't worth it. I'll go kill super-villains on CoH instead.

Hey, if anyone else from NS plays CoH, and you're playing on the 'Freedom' server tonight or most any nights, look up 'Time Cube'. That's me!