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Amnesty International's recent threats to attack Americans who leave the US has provoked an international outcry.

Victims of Russia's infamous gulag are shocked and offended that Amnesty International has called Guantanamo "todays Gulag". Some of the victims of the original gulag are demanding an apology.

An a statement, Amnesty International said that America has no right to defend itself against terrorists and that all Americans were war criminals.

Lets see if they keep promoting that crap once Americans stop giving money to their cause.

Supporters of AI might say, "they're not threatening all Americans, just the ones they hate".
But the fact is that if you attack one American you are attacking all Americans and asking for an ass chewing.

Source please.

Amnesty International is a respectable organisation. They would never issue statements like this.

Amnesty International's recent threats to attack Americans who leave the US has provoked an international outcry.

WTF?

When you said "AI", I thought 'artificial intelligence'.
And I was getting ready to say "Whoa, they finally worked it out? Awesome!" But now I feel all disappointed.
:p

An a statement, Amnesty International said that America has no right to defend itself against terrorists and that all Americans were war criminals.

No they did not.

And I can assure you that there is very little outrage in the world over Amnesty's claims.

When you said "AI", I thought 'artificial intelligence'.
And I was getting ready to say "Whoa, they finally worked it out? Awesome!" But now I feel all disappointed.
:p

that's what I thought as well. I was quite disappointed, actually.

Source please.


Ditto.

Amnesty International's recent threats to attack Americans who leave the US has provoked an international outcry.

My BS-o-meter is pinging off the scale...

Amnesty International's recent threats to attack Americans who leave the US has provoked an international outcry.

Victims of Russia's infamous gulag are shocked and offended that Amnesty International has called Guantanamo "todays Gulag". Some of the victims of the original gulag are demanding an apology.

An a statement, Amnesty International said that America has no right to defend itself against terrorists and that all Americans were war criminals.

Lets see if they keep promoting that crap once Americans stop giving money to their cause.

Supporters of AI might say, "they're not threatening all Americans, just the ones they hate".
But the fact is that if you attack one American you are attacking all Americans and asking for an ass chewing.

These statements are patently false. Prove them or admit you are lying.

But the fact is that if you attack one American you are attacking all Americans and asking for an ass chewing.
Wrong, if you attack one person you are attacking one person.
And where the hell is the source?
My Bullshit-O-Meter is right now reading a 9.3 out of 10.

Pfft... There should be an entry in the wikipedia with a link to this thread under the entry for libel.

Whittier - you, uh... should perhaps read the newspapers instead of the tea leaves...

Supporters of AI might say, "they're not threatening all Americans, just the ones they hate".
But the fact is that if you attack one American you are attacking all Americans and asking for an ass chewing.

:rolleyes:

Please. That is the biggest load of BS I've read in months. Is there no longer a right to dissent in America? Now, criticizing the government is treason?

That is a load of rubbish.

T'n'R?*







Troll and run?

Whittier - you, uh... should perhaps read the newspapers instead of the tea leaves...
But, but the tea leaves are so much more interesting.

Don't feed the troll :mad:

Kids, this is why PCP and NationStates don't mix.

When you said "AI", I thought 'artificial intelligence'.
And I was getting ready to say "Whoa, they finally worked it out? Awesome!" But now I feel all disappointed.
:p
My thoughts exactly XD But I didn't think that would be outrage causing, so my second thought was the movie AI :P

I need a source to believe that Amnesty International would say ANYTHING remotely like this.

Kids, this is why PCP and NationStates don't mix.
And you would know this from experience?

My thoughts exactly XD But I didn't think that would be outrage causing, so my second thought was the movie AI :P

I need a source to believe that Amnesty International would say ANYTHING remotely like this.


they said it

proof (http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html)

they said it

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html (proof)
What on earth does fermat's last theorum have to do with AI?

And you would know this from experience?

Haven't you heard? Amnesty International puts PCP in the water!

they said it

proof (http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html)
We still need proof for the other part of Whittier's statement.

The link doesn't work.



just fixed it.

And you would know this from experience?
No. But it sounds about right.

What on earth does fermat's last theorum have to do with AI?


whaaa??

dam you guys are fast.

I got this stuff off the O'Reilly factor.
I was checking other sources when you all responded.
But the other sources I am looking at are putting it in a different light.

ya I did I mixed up the prompt, and got that odd little thing sorry

they said it

proof (http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html)
Notice they don't advocate violence. They're just criticizing the government. In short, none of Whittier's claims are true.

they said it

proof (http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html)
Err, that article says nothing about AI threatening to attack Americans...

whaaa??
Still doesn't work.

dam you guys are fast.

I got this stuff off the O'Reilly factor.
I was checking other sources when you all responded.
But the other sources I am looking at are putting it in a different light.
You trusted O'Reilly? You poor, poor fellow.

But, but the tea leaves are so much more interesting.
And tasty!

They did say the gulag thing.

Everything else that Wittier claimed is false (they did not threaten Americans, and did not call them all war criminals and so on). That's how propaganda works, there's always something true in it, so that the lies may be easier to swallow.

Even copying and pasting what you intended to post (instead of sending me to NOVA ONLINE, ironically title 'proof') I didn't get anything.


Some one asked if AI would say that, and I showed then that they did

The report htat the CBC site refers to is The 2005 A. I report (http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/usa-summary-eng). A summary of which is available on line. Read it for yourself.

Some one asked if AI would say that, and I showed then that they did
No, you didn't. Your CBC link is messed up. Here:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/05/25/amnesty.report.reut/index.html

Still doesn't work.


hmm... works for me.

I got this stuff off the O'Reilly factor.

That explains a lot. Don't listen to him. You don't get accurate information.

Err, that article says nothing about AI threatening to attack Americans...
In fact, when I click on it, I get nothing about anything, and something about a server error...

they said it

proof (http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html)

While they compare guantanamo to a gulag there is nothing even remotely resembling the statements in the opening post in that story.

No stated intention to attack Americans leaving the U.S.
No statement that Americans are unentitled to defend themselves against terrorists.
No statement that all Americans are war criminals.

The original post is nonsense.

No, you didn't. Your CBC link is messed up. Here:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/05/25/amnesty.report.reut/index.html


try it agen, I fixed it.

No. But it sounds about right.
Then I will try it, in the name of science of course.

I got this stuff off the O'Reilly factor.
That would explain a lot.

He did something entitled "Amnesty International Declares War". I haven't heard it, but I'm fairly close to positive that it's bullshit.

i heard it on the radio somewhere.... but i can't remember otherwise

While they compare guantanamo to a gulag there is nothing even remotely resembling the statements in the opening post in that story.

No stated intention to attack Americans leaving the U.S.
No statement that Americans are unentitled to defend themselves against terrorists.
No statement that all Americans are war criminals.

The original post is nonsense.


no some one asked if they if AI maid the gulag comment, I showed they did

I got this stuff off the O'Reilly factor.

Pfft. That explains it. You really don't know he is just stating opiniong and trying to pass it as news?


I was checking other sources when you all responded.
But the other sources I am looking at are putting it in a different light.
Like, truthfully?

While they compare guantanamo to a gulag there is nothing even remotely resembling the statements in the opening post in that story.

No stated intention to attack Americans leaving the U.S.
No statement that Americans are unentitled to defend themselves against terrorists.
No statement that all Americans are war criminals.

The original post is nonsense.

Established.

And more to the point, already well-known by those of us who choose to read or otherwise consume NEWS, not editorial opinion, not partisan blogs, but the real McCoy.

Some one asked if AI would say that, and I showed then that they did
I was the, like, ninth guy to point out the link was messed up and it was fixed before my thing even posted (I have since deleted it as it was redundant)

dam you guys are fast.

I got this stuff off the O'Reilly factor.
I was checking other sources when you all responded.
But the other sources I am looking at are putting it in a different light.

O'Reilly has a habit of just making stuff up. You would be well advised not to rely on him for anything other than fictional entertainment. Certainly not for news.

IE: "The Paris Business Review". That one's a classic.

Everyone knows that O'Reilly Factor is the sole bastian of truth.

I wonder if any one still trusted that guy, I guess so, sad.

Anyway, Guantanamo IS a frickin' gulag. So it's not in Siberia. Whoopty-Do! It does have dog-kennels with people living inside them, though.

Nice. Way to hold the moral high ground and really show those 3rd world dictators how to run a police state, boys.

Anyway, Guantanamo IS a frickin' gulag. So it's not in Siberia. Whoopty-Do! It does have dog-kennels with people living inside them, though.

Nice. Way to hold the moral high ground and really show those 3rd world dictators how to run a police state, boys.
You're DAMN right! XD

When you said "AI", I thought 'artificial intelligence'.
And I was getting ready to say "Whoa, they finally worked it out? Awesome!" But now I feel all disappointed.
:p

Yeah..I thought the same thing too. Serious disapointment. Hail Eris anyway.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=789402

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/05/25/international/i030419D56.DTL

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1002284.php/Amnesty_International_says_war_on_terror_eroding_human_rights

http://www.wral.com/news/4529973/detail.html

the full report:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/index-eng

applies specificially to US:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/index-eng

They did say the gulag thing.

And that's not necessarily a bad analogy. Gulag is exile, being sent to the gulag meant being sent into exile, with no hope of help or retuning home. It was invented by the czars, by the way.

Guantanamo is pretty much like that, prisioners there get no legal help, no hearing, no trial and they don't know when or if they're going to go back home.

Of course, the weather in Cuba is much better than in Siberia and overall they're treated much better, but the criticism still stands.

Hmmm as soon as I fix the link the CBC site crashes, damn.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=789402

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/05/25/international/i030419D56.DTL

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1002284.php/Amnesty_International_says_war_on_terror_eroding_human_rights

http://www.wral.com/news/4529973/detail.html

the full report:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/index-eng

applies specificially to US:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/index-eng

And as has already been stated, the gulag analogy was correct. Everything else you claimed was false, and none of the sources you linked to support your (false) claims.

Maybe O'Reilly is upset it's not gulag enough-after all he's already said we should have one (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23246)-
Killers, rapists, drug kingpins and terrorists should all be subjected to life in prison without parole in a federal work camp. This special prison system would be run military style and be located on federal land in Alaska. It would be in effect a gulag.
So really, what's O'Reilly on about?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=789402

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/05/25/international/i030419D56.DTL

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1002284.php/Amnesty_International_says_war_on_terror_eroding_human_rights

http://www.wral.com/news/4529973/detail.html

the full report:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/index-eng

applies specificially to US:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/index-eng
Err, nowhere in any of those is anything about attacking anybody.

this thread should be stickied under "how to troll in three easy steps - invent stuff, make people wait several pages for proof, then show some that is only vaguely relevant to the original claims"

this thread should be stickied under "how to troll in three easy steps - invent stuff, make people wait several pages for proof, then show some that is only vaguely relevant to the original claims"

pfft, real trolls never respond, merely cackle under the bridge, feasting on the delight of their harvest, and plotting up more misdeeds to gain their next meal. Troll-lite, maybe :D

Even the title is misleading. "World Outraged over AI Claims" would be accurate - although in fact the outrage is (quite rightly) directed against the United States government, not Amnesty International.

Err, nowhere in any of those is anything about attacking anybody.
no, its on the OReilly Factor.

they said it

proof (http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html)

They condemned Guatanamo. They did not say the things Whittier false attributed to them. All the difference in the world.

Nice try.

They condemned Guatanamo. They did not say the things Whittier false attributed to them. All the difference in the world.

Nice try.


I not defending him, some one asked if they said Guantomamo was a "gulag" and I showed them they did.

They condemned Guatanamo. They did not say the things Whittier false attributed to them. All the difference in the world.

Nice try.
he was talking bout guantanamo which you of course, mispelled.

no, its on the OReilly Factor.

And O'Reilly lied. He does that, you know.

Even the title is misleading. "World Outraged over AI Claims" would be accurate - although in fact the outrage is (quite rightly) directed against the United States government, not Amnesty International.
And instead of "World" it should have been "O'Reilly".

This thread has reinforced two solid principles:

1. The movie A.I. pretty much sucked.

2. If you believe anything Bill O'Reilly says, well... you're not too bright.

And O'Reilly lied. He does that, you know.
Of the claims he made, the following have been proven to be true according to the other sources I looked up:

They said that Guantanamo was as bad as the Russian Gulag.

They said the United States is the world's worst human rights violator.

What they didn't say:
Neither in their report nor in of the other news sources did they call for the attack or arrest of Americans overseas.

Now for what they did say I take issue with.

Guantanamo is most certainly not worse than the Gulag. It does not even come close to being like the Gulag.

The United States as a matter of fact, remains a world leader in Human Rights.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=789402

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/05/25/international/i030419D56.DTL

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1002284.php/Amnesty_International_says_war_on_terror_eroding_human_rights

http://www.wral.com/news/4529973/detail.html

the full report:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/index-eng

applies specificially to US:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/index-eng

These stories prove you were lying.

Here is what you originally claimed:
Amnesty International's recent threats to attack Americans who leave the US has provoked an international outcry.

Victims of Russia's infamous gulag are shocked and offended that Amnesty International has called Guantanamo "todays Gulag". Some of the victims of the original gulag are demanding an apology.

An a statement, Amnesty International said that America has no right to defend itself against terrorists and that all Americans were war criminals.

Lets see if they keep promoting that crap once Americans stop giving money to their cause.

Supporters of AI might say, "they're not threatening all Americans, just the ones they hate".

But the fact is that if you attack one American you are attacking all Americans and asking for an ass chewing.


1. The world is not outraged at Amensty International.

2. AI did not threaten to "attack" Americans.

3. Although it is possible it occurred, none of these stories say anything about Soviet Gulag survivors being offended.

4. AI did not say American has no right to defend itself from terrorists.

5. AI did not call all American's war criminals.

6. You, sir, have criticized other Americans and some American policies. Does that mean you hate America and hate all Americans?

The only one here deserving "an ass chewing" is you. You lied. You smeared one of the foremost human rights organizations in the world.

The Bush Administration itself has pointed to AI reports to justify policy, such as its removal of Saddam.

Your penchant for simply making stuff up and using hysterical hyperbole is getting tiring.

Of the claims he made, the following have been proven to be true according to the other sources I looked up:

They said that Guantanamo was as bad as the Russian Gulag.


Can you please tell me where does AI say that Guantanamo is "as bad as the Russian Gulag"? Quote, please.


They said the United States is the world's worst human rights violator.

Again, quote, please. I can't find that statement anywhere in AI's reports.


The United States as a matter of fact, remains a world leader in Human Rights.
Wow! Better than, say, Switzerland?

he was talking bout guantanamo which you of course, mispelled.

I made a typo. You made shit up. No comparison.

Of the claims he made, the following have been proven to be true according to the other sources I looked up:

They said that Guantanamo was as bad as the Russian Gulag.

They said the United States is the world's worst human rights violator.

What they didn't say:
Neither in their report nor in of the other news sources did they call for the attack or arrest of Americans overseas.

Now for what they did say I take issue with.

Guantanamo is most certainly not worse than the Gulag. It does not even come close to being like the Gulag.

The United States as a matter of fact, remains a world leader in Human Rights.

Even in admitting some of your lies, you spread more.

AI did not say the United States was the worlds worst human rights violator.

AI's report covers 149 countries. What they said about the US was that its human rights violations were particularly disturbing because of our position in the world:

The USA, as the unrivalled political, military and economic hyper-power, sets the tone for governmental behaviour worldwide. When the most powerful country in the world thumbs its nose at the rule of law and human rights, it grants a licence to others to commit abuse with impunity and audacity.

AI did Guantanamo was as bad as or "worse than the Russian Gulag." What was said was:

"The detention facility at Guantánamo Bay has become the gulag of our times, entrenching the practice of arbitrary and indefinite detention in violation of international law."

That was one -- rather accurate -- sentence out of a 308-page report.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Even in admitting some of your lies, you spread more.

AI did not say the United States was the worlds worst human rights violator.

AI's report covers 149 countries. What they said about the US was that its human rights violations were particularly disturbing because of our position in the world:

The USA, as the unrivalled political, military and economic hyper-power, sets the tone for governmental behaviour worldwide. When the most powerful country in the world thumbs its nose at the rule of law and human rights, it grants a licence to others to commit abuse with impunity and audacity.

AI did Guantanamo was as bad as or "worse than the Russian Gulag." What was said was:

"The detention facility at Guantánamo Bay has become the gulag of our times, entrenching the practice of arbitrary and indefinite detention in violation of international law."

That was one -- rather accurate -- sentence out of a 308-page report.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Guantanamo nowhere comes close to being a gulag.

I made a typo. You made shit up. No comparison.
So why do you hate America?

Guantanamo nowhere comes close to being a gulag.

Really? Prisoners there have been held there without charges for years, been subjected to abusive interrogation practices... sounds like a gulag to me. Do you think that "America - not quite as bad as Soviet Russia!" is something to be proud of?

So why do you hate America?
Oh come on Whittier.

Really? Prisoners there have been held there without charges for years, been subjected to abusive interrogation practices... sounds like a gulag to me. Do you think that "America - not quite as bad as Soviet Russia!" is something to be proud of?
what is happening at Guantanamo is not abusive. Making people stay up all night 24/7 is not a human rights violation. Having the light on in your cell at all times is not a human rights violation.

Being deprived of food, water, medical treatment, those are human rights violations. Being shocked or tortured the way the nazis and commies would do it, that is a human rights violation.

You can't compare the goings on in Guantanamo with any of those.

So why do you hate America?

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Ask Sparky.

Of the claims he made, the following have been proven to be true according to the other sources I looked up:

They said that Guantanamo was as bad as the Russian Gulag.

Something which has been stated to be correct several times by now. Oh, and they did not say that it was as bad - they compared it to them saying that they were the "gulags of our time," i.e. camps where you are sent without fair trials and without access to legal recourse. The comparison has valid points.

They said the United States is the world's worst human rights violator.

No, they didn't.

What they didn't say:
Neither in their report nor in of the other news sources did they call for the attack or arrest of Americans overseas.

Are you admitting the lie you blame on O'reilly?

Guantanamo is most certainly not worse than the Gulag. It does not even come close to being like the Gulag.

As you yourself stated, they did not claim it was "worse than the Gulag". Are you having trouble keeping up with your own invention of what they are to have said?

The United States as a matter of fact, remains a world leader in Human Rights.

No it doesn't. It is beaten by several countries with respect to that, such as pretty much all Scandinavian countries, and many others.

Whit,

Freedom of Speech. Remember that?

It includes the ability to say stupid hateful things.

what is happening at Guantanamo is not abusive. Making people stay up all night 24/7 is not a human rights violation. Having the light on in your cell at all times is not a human rights violation.

Yes it is. If it weren't for the fact that it's against my principles, I guarantee that within three days I could get you to sign a statement saying "Sleep deprivation is abusive" - solely by depriving you of sleep for that period. Please educate yourself on the effects of sleep deprivation - it's a lot more serious than you realize.

Yes it is. If it weren't for the fact that it's against my principles, I guarantee that within three days I could get you to sign a statement saying "Sleep deprivation is abusive" - solely by depriving you of sleep for that period. Please educate yourself on the effects of sleep deprivation - it's a lot more serious than you realize.
it is not that serious take my word for it.
I haven't slept in the last 5 days and I am just fine.

it is not that serious take my word for it.
I haven't slept in the last 5 days and I am just fine.

Actually, this explains a lot. Dude, seriously, get some sleep before you start hallucinating that you can fly and jump off a building or something.

In retrospect, three days was an exaggeration. A week would probably do the trick, though.

it is not that serious take my word for it.
I haven't slept in the last 5 days and I am just fine.

Uh-huh.

Sorry, that's just not credible.

Uh-huh.

Sorry, that's just not credible.

Although it would go a long way towards explaining this thread.

Uh-huh.

Sorry, that's just not credible.
What? What do you mean 3 days isn't credible? I do it all the time.

dam you guys are fast.

I got this stuff off the O'Reilly factor.
I was checking other sources when you all responded.
But the other sources I am looking at are putting it in a different light.
Don't watch O'Reilly. He's a bonehead. He thinks illegal drug users are terrorists.

What amazes me is how O'Reilly gets away with lying and making facts up. I wonder how many people are as mis-informed as Whittier as a result of watching, or reading, Bill O'Reilly. Oh.. Damn... Apparently, freedom of speech covers lying... Such a pity...

it is not that serious take my word for it.
I haven't slept in the last 5 days and I am just fine.

tweeking and watching bill....tsk tsk tsk...next time, just get more meth and leave the tv off.....

What? What do you mean 3 days isn't credible? I do it all the time.

While a period of 3 (three) days is not absolutely beyond human limits, 5 (five) days - as you yourself stated,

I haven't slept in the last 5 days and I am just fine.

is extraordinarily unlikely. It lacks credibility. Your statement undermines your position very effectively, doubly so with this last.

It's almost as though...

*nah, couldn't be, and it's not worth it anyway...*

it is not that serious take my word for it.
I haven't slept in the last 5 days and I am just fine.

What? What do you mean 3 days isn't credible? I do it all the time.

Apart from the old 'not being able to tell 5 from 3' thing.

Don't watch O'Reilly. He's a bonehead. He thinks illegal drug users are terrorists.

So how come he's never called for Limbaugh to be sent to Guantanamo?

So how come he's never called for Limbaugh to be sent to Guantanamo?
Because he's inner circle.

it is not that serious take my word for it.
I haven't slept in the last 5 days and I am just fine.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3376951.stm

"Making a programme in which people are deprived of sleep is like treating them with medication that will make them psychotic. It also demeans the experiences of those who have involuntarily gone through this form of torture. It is the equivalent of bear-baiting, and we banned that centuries ago.

"I was kept without sleep for a week in all. I can remember the details of the experience, although it took place 35 years ago. After two nights without sleep, the hallucinations start, and after three nights, people are having dreams while fairly awake, which is a form of psychosis.

"By the week's end, people lose their orientation in place and time - the people you're speaking to become people from your past; a window might become a view of the sea seen in your younger days. To deprive someone of sleep is to tamper with their equilibrium and their sanity."

I learned the same thing when I was taking Abnormal Psychology. I therefore question your claim.

Amnesty International's recent threats to attack Americans who leave the US has provoked an international outcry.

Victims of Russia's infamous gulag are shocked and offended that Amnesty International has called Guantanamo "todays Gulag". Some of the victims of the original gulag are demanding an apology.

An a statement, Amnesty International said that America has no right to defend itself against terrorists and that all Americans were war criminals.

Lets see if they keep promoting that crap once Americans stop giving money to their cause.

Supporters of AI might say, "they're not threatening all Americans, just the ones they hate".
But the fact is that if you attack one American you are attacking all Americans and asking for an ass chewing.


...and the filthy terrorist organisation known as the "Red-Cross" has declared a jihad against the USA!

it is not that serious take my word for it.
I haven't slept in the last 5 days and I am just fine.


Dude, you need to see a doctor.If you haven't slept in 5 days then you have a serious disorder.

Studies have shown that missing just a few hours of sleep can slow reaction and affect judgement in a similar manner to being drunk. In fact, driving while sleepy may be more dangerous than driving while drunk.

...and the filthy terrorist organisation known as the "Red-Cross" has declared a jihad against the USA!

Don't forget their sister organisation the "Red Crescent"! They're the really evil ones.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3376951.stm



I learned the same thing when I was taking Abnormal Psychology. I therefore question your claim.
then how come it ain't having no affect on me?

Dude, you need to see a doctor.If you haven't slept in 5 days then you have a serious disorder.

Studies have shown that missing just a few hours of sleep can slow reaction and affect judgement in a similar manner to being drunk. In fact, driving while sleepy may be more dangerous than driving while drunk.
I don't drive. I always walk everywhere. My judgement is pretty good.

Source please.

Amnesty International is a respectable organisation. They would never issue statements like this.

No, they're just whining about everything that doesn't fit into their weird view of the world. Heck, they once said that Austrian police is torturing people, of course they couldn't prove it. Now they're even blasting Japan over how they treat refugees. What planet does AI come from? Surely not from earth. Next they're going to whine because a cop used handcuffs on a criminal.

They used to be respected, but in 2005 they're just whiners anymore.

then how come it ain't having no affect on me?

I see a few possibilities.

1) One would have to be Superman, the Messiah, and Luke Skywalker all rolled into one. In that case, one is clearly affected not at all.

2) There has already been a clearly demonstrated lack of accuracy of the majority of the claims made thus far concerning Amnesty International and other 'facts' presented in the original post and in responses to its rebuttals. This makes for rather a simple conclusion.

3) One is indeed affected by the sleep deprivation, and as a result of this altered state is unaware of or not in control of whatever one is saying or doing. If one were to be posting demonstrably impossible statements in earnest, then I would have to assume this as the most logical conclusion.

I don't drive. I always walk everywhere. My judgement is pretty good.

Not sleeping for 5 days is pretty crappy judgement.

Either Whittier- is lying about being five days' short of sleep, or he is not.

If he is, he's a troll.

If he isn't, then his posts are a salutary warning about how hazardous sleep deprivation is to your psyche.

I got this stuff off the O'Reilly factor.

O'Reily is NOT news. I can respect watching Fox news, but O'Reily is not a "journalist", he is a "pundit" which means that he mixes opinion with fact (or semi-fact).

They said that Guantanamo was as bad as the Russian Gulag.

They said that it is the Gulag of our day. That doesn't mean that it is worse, or even as bad as Gulag, simply that it is comprable to it.


They said the United States is the world's worst human rights violator.

they said that we are A human rights violator. Not the worst. There is a HUGE difference. I don't think that AI even selects a "worst" violator.


The United States as a matter of fact, remains a world leader in Human Rights.

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA*falls on floor* AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAA *deep breath*AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

oh. you were serious.

The fact is, we have many activities that AI lists as a human rights abuse, from the death penalty to our treatment of our prisoners. And most, if not all, are correct.

what is happening at Guantanamo is not abusive. Making people stay up all night 24/7 is not a human rights violation.

here are the FACTS about this. The United States government must grant the right to keep people away for "excessive" amounts of time. The two orginazations that have the highest time allowed are the US military and the sleep lab of Brigham Womens' Hospital, Boston, MA. The sleep lab is permitted to keep study participants (who must sign off on this and be in impeccable health) awake for up to 60 hours. In this time, they are fed specific rations, blood is taken and tested hourly, and their health is constantly monitored. The second a participant begins to show any negative symptoms, they are removed from testing. The US military has NONE of these safety regulations. The facts about lack of sleep are that after 2-3 consecutive days of no sleep, the human brain goes into a sleep-like state resembling schizophrenia. Hallucinations occur, and often become severe. If the person does not sleep, they could die. Sleep is as nessicary to human existance as food and water.

it is not that serious take my word for it.
I haven't slept in the last 5 days and I am just fine.

it IS that serious, take MY word for it. If you have not slept at all in five days, not only would you be suffering from EXTREME hallucinations, you would no longer even be able to FORCE yourself to stay awake, let alone type at a computer. There would even be a significant chance that you would suffer permenent mental damage due to this.

What? What do you mean 3 days isn't credible? I do it all the time.

is it three (3) days, or five (5) days? There is a huge difference. Three days, maybe, although even that is pushing it if you do that regularly. Five days, not a chance. If this is a regular occurance, I would suggest speaking with a medical professional. Insomnia is often a symptom of more severe medical problems. And forcing yourself to stay awake that long regularly is dangerous to your overall physical and mental health.

So why do you hate America?
The final nail is driven, the coffin closed. It's all men and shovels, now.

I'm not entirely convinced that this isn't a TRA puppet running the other side, meaning that guy's a puppet troll genius on par with DC/Jesussaves.

The final nail is driven, the coffin closed. It's all men and shovels, now.

I'm not entirely convinced that this isn't a TRA puppet running the other side, meaning that guy's a puppet troll genius on par with DC/Jesussaves.
Seems to me that there ought to be a corollary to Godwin's Law that involves the accusation that the opponent hates America.

Seems to me that there ought to be a corollary to Godwin's Law that involves the accusation that the opponent hates America.

How is such a corollary to be applied to those of us who do, in fact, hate America?

How is such a corollary to be applied to those of us who do, in fact, hate America?

You told me you loved me last night! *SOBS*

;)

I'm outraged over AI. That's two hours I wasted on a crappy movie that I'll never have back. Why oh why did Kubrick turn it over to Spielberg of all people? :(

Heres' the real report
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/usa-summary-eng

The word Texas is used 8 times. ;)

No, they're just whining about everything that doesn't fit into their weird view of the world. Heck, they once said that Austrian police is torturing people, of course they couldn't prove it. Now they're even blasting Japan over how they treat refugees. What planet does AI come from? Surely not from earth. Next they're going to whine because a cop used handcuffs on a criminal.

They used to be respected, but in 2005 they're just whiners anymore.
AI's areas of work:
Reform and strengthen the justice sector
Abolish the death penalty
Protect the rights of defenders
Resist human rights abuses in the ‘war on terror’
Uphold the rights of refugees and migrants
Promote economic, social and cultural rights for marginalized communities
Stop violence against women
Protect civilians and close the taps that fuel abuses in conflict

sounds horrible, doesn't it?

Heck, they once said that Austrian police is torturing people, of course they couldn't prove it.


"I was pressured so long until I admitted that the drugs belonged to me. Inspector J.J. grabbed me by the hair and threw me against the wall; he also submerged my head in a bucket of water ... I suffered an eye injury which required hospital treatment."

So, do you think that such claims should simply be ignored, or brought to court in order to determine whether such events did in fact take place or not?

I'm a proud member of Amnesty International. Now start throwing stones at me.

But omg, they dare to critisise my country! Those bastards! Or maybe my country does not handle everything as well as they should.

I'm a proud member of Amnesty International. Now start throwing stones at me.

But omg, they dare to critisise my country! Those bastards! Or maybe my country does not handle everything as well as they should.

We need people like you. Keep on doing your job! :)

My emotions while reading this thread passed as follows:

Outraged (I'm an AI member, you bastard!)
Incredulous (hang on, what on Earth?)
Enraptured (a legion of slap downs from the Generalites)
Confused (did he just say he's been awake for three or five days?)
Mortified (he really thinks he's OK)
Concerned. Seriously, Whittier-, I don't care what you think about Amnesty, just get some sleep. I've experienced enough sleep deprivation to know it's a fucked up idea. You're going to make yourself ill.

We need people like you. Keep on doing your job! :)
Hey thanks! wow, one don't get too many compliments around here. :)

I'm quite sure there are many others among NSers. (like Werteswandel)

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Concerned. Seriously, Whittier-, I don't care what you think about Amnesty, just get some sleep. I've experienced enough sleep deprivation to know it's a fucked up idea. You're going to make yourself ill.
Seconded. I've never agreed with the guy but today he's completely lost it. Hope he'll get better.

Hey thanks! wow, one don't get too many compliments around here. :)

I'm quite sure there are many others among NSers. (like Werteswandel)
And me. But that's a must... considering the way Finland abuses human rights.

And me. But that's a must... considering the way Finland abuses human rights.
So true. I haven't even read the report yet. Is there anything new considering Finland? Or just the same old stuff?

edit: Ooh, I forgot that one. We've been bad :(
http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/fin-summary-eng

Shouldn't add smilies. That is a serious problem in several European countries.

they said it

proof (http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/25/amnestyinternational050525.html)
Thank you for proving that Amnesty didn't say any of the things that Whittier said they did.

dam you guys are fast.

I got this stuff off the O'Reilly factor.
Bill O'Reilly also said that paedophilia was legal in Denmark. You probably still believe that, don't you?

So true. I haven't even read the report yet. Is there anything new considering Finland? Or just the same old stuff?
Same ol' same ol'
They still consider conscientious objectors as prisoners of conscience. Which they are. Maybe we should torture them a bit less... I don't know...

I first thought this thread was about the shite movie Spielberg made a few years ago. A little late, I thought, but about time that the World became outraged at that truly sickeningly sweet ending he tacked on to it.

Same ol' same ol'
They still consider conscientious objectors as prisoners of conscience. Which they are. Maybe we should torture them a bit less... I don't know...
:D
Yeah, I guess that open prisons are a bit too harsh.

He did something entitled "Amnesty International Declares War". I haven't heard it, but I'm fairly close to positive that it's bullshit.

source? Here's the problem with both sides. When responding to someone who didn't check the facts of something he may or may not have heard THE LEFT responds by not checking the facts on something they may or may not have heard.

The first post was foolish and a post saying "I haven't heard it but" is foolish and hypocritical.

How is such a corollary to be applied to those of us who do, in fact, hate America?
I would think that it would still apply, since at its root, it's a bogus argument. One's dislike, or even hatred, for a country is hardly relevant to any legitimate criticism of that country. One should attack the position a person takes, not how he or she feels about the country at hand. If the argument is weak, then like or dislike hardly matters--the same is true if the argument is strong.

So I would argue that the second someone resorts to the weak-ass retort "why does so-and-so hate America?" that they've forfeited the debate, unless, of course, it's used sarcastically. :p