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Minnesota citizens personal protection act of 2003 reenactment. Presented on 5/20/2005, signed on 5/24/2005

The law is effective 5/25/2005:

-The MN law is a CARRY law.
-Conceal or Open Carry is allowed with the same permit.

Minnesota citizens personal protection act of 2003 reenactment. Presented on 5/20/2005, signed on 5/24/2005

The law is effective 5/25/2005:

-The MN law is a CARRY law.
-Conceal or Open Carry is allowed with the same permit.
Which is going to mean a lot more work for me :p

Good for the people of Minnesota. In NJ I'm a criminal if I carry, concealed or openly.

Good for the people of Minnesota. In NJ I'm a criminal if I carry, concealed or openly.

Hell, every time I drive through NJ on the way to White Plains, NY, with the "wrong" kind of rifle in my trunk, I'm a criminal, too.

It doesn't even have to be in your hands in NJ to be against the law.

Hell, every time I drive through NJ on the way to White Plains, NY, with the "wrong" kind of rifle in my trunk, I'm a criminal, too.

It doesn't even have to be in your hands in NJ to be against the law.
I think you can even be arrested for owning hollowpoints here. Even if you don't have a gun on you I think they can charge you with a weapon offense for owning hollowpoint bullets.

I think you can even be arrested for owning hollowpoints here. Even if you don't have a gun on you I think they can charge you with a weapon offense for owning hollowpoint bullets.

Oooh, I'm so bad.

Oooh, I'm so bad.

I love my magsafes. not sure if they are legal outside of Florida though.

here's a pic of my .45 of choice:

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-pstl-1911-ms.shtml

The key words being, of course, 'with a permit'. As I believe it should be. Gun control laws should target illegally owned and carried firearms, and not the legally owned and carried ones.

Yet another reason I love being a Minnesotan. Uff-dah!

Seriously, this is a stupid law when it came out. It's really sad when you go somewhere and it needs to state you can't carry a gun. A good thing to have, but it really dampens my spirits when I go to the Mall of America for instance and see the sign Guns are not permited on the premaces...

Yet another reason I love being a Minnesotan. Uff-dah!

Seriously, this is a stupid law when it came out. It's really sad when you go somewhere and it needs to state you can't carry a gun. A good thing to have, but it really dampens my spirits when I go to the Mall of America for instance and see the sign Guns are not permited on the premaces...

In Ohio, a certain supermarket chain put up "No Firearms" signs after their CCW was passed. Robberies of those stores increased significantly.

Arizona is an open-carry state probably since it was ratified as a member of the US... We like to think of it as a "balance of power".. Wanna guess how many home invasions we have had?

How close to ZERO can you count.....

heh...

Arizona is an open-carry state probably since it was ratified as a member of the US... We like to think of it as a "balance of power".. Wanna guess how many home invasions we have had?

How close to ZERO can you count.....

heh...
1011 per 100,000?

That's not close to zero at all. Higher then Delawares (about 600 per 100,000)

Geez. Americans and their phall- uh, guns.


What do any one of you need hollow-point bullets for, if I may be so bold as to ask?

Heh, nice

Geez. Americans and their phall- uh, guns.


What do any one of you need hollow-point bullets for, if I may be so bold as to ask?
Just in case King George gets frisky.

1011 per 100,000?

That's not close to zero at all. Higher then Delawares (about 600 per 100,000)

Wow... But I wasn't counting the DRUG related and GANG related invasions...

Those can continue until they wipe themselves out as far as I am concerned...

But thanks for playing...

Geez. Americans and their phall- uh, guns.


What do any one of you need hollow-point bullets for, if I may be so bold as to ask?

Don't think of them as hollow point bullets. Think of them as wiffle bullets. :)

Arizona is an open-carry state probably since it was ratified as a member of the US... .

Arizona didn't join the US until 1994?

Geez. Americans and their phall- uh, guns.


What do any one of you need hollow-point bullets for, if I may be so bold as to ask?

Do you know what hollow-point bullets are for and thier characteristics?

Wow... But I wasn't counting the DRUG related and GANG related invasions...

Those can continue until they wipe themselves out as far as I am concerned...

But thanks for playing...
Bur-glar-y.


Thanks for playing. Arizona has a higher rate of burglaries then the state of Delaware.

Bur-glar-y.


Thanks for playing. Arizona has a higher rate of burglaries then the state of Delaware.
Burglary and home invasion are 2 different crimes.

Thanks for playing.

Burglary and home invasion are 2 different crimes.

Thanks for playing.
Wrong!


bur·gla·ry Audio pronunciation of "burglary" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bûrgl-r)
n. pl. bur·gla·ries

The act of entering a building or other premises with the intent to commit theft.

----

Legally, it is entering a building with the intent to commit a felony, including rape, murder, assult, etc.
(Don't believe me? Title 11 § 825, delaware state code)


Buglary is home invasion.

Burglary and home invasion are 2 different crimes.

Thanks for playing.


WOW what law text book have you been reading?

Geez. Americans and their phall- uh, guns.


What do any one of you need hollow-point bullets for, if I may be so bold as to ask?

1) they dont go through walls and inadvertantly hit things you dont want to(eg neighbors, people in other rooms)

2) they have a lot of stopping power when it comes to soft targets.

these qualities make them and excellent home defense round.

Wrong!


bur·gla·ry Audio pronunciation of "burglary" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bûrgl-r)
n. pl. bur·gla·ries

The act of entering a building or other premises with the intent to commit theft.

----

Legally, it is entering a building with the intent to commit a felony, including rape, murder, assult, etc.
(Don't believe me? Title 11 § 825, delaware state code)


Buglary is home invasion.
How do you make the section character?
Oh, three cheers for Minnesota, ya?

they have a lot of stopping power when it comes to soft targets.

Your gift for euphemisms is outstripped by your gift for total understatement.

Your gift for euphemisms is outstripped by your gift for total understatement.

Your question was, I hope, answered to your satisfaction .

How do you make the section character?
Oh, three cheers for Minnesota, ya?
Copy and paste :rolleyes:

Wrong!


bur·gla·ry Audio pronunciation of "burglary" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bûrgl-r)
n. pl. bur·gla·ries

The act of entering a building or other premises with the intent to commit theft.

----

Legally, it is entering a building with the intent to commit a felony, including rape, murder, assult, etc.
(Don't believe me? Title 11 § 825, delaware state code)


Buglary is home invasion.

Bzzzzz. Wrong again. Do keep trying until you get it correct will you?

Home invasion is the crime of breaking and entering into an occupied dwelling. The crime is considered a first degree felony in most U.S. jurisdictions. Home invasion differs from burglary. Burglary is illegal entry into any occupied or unoccupied building, not necessarily a residential dwelling. The intent or outcome of home invasion is often robbery or rape. Home invaders may follow their victims home, knock on the door to gain entry, or lie in wait after breaking and entering.
http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Home_invasion

WOW what law text book have you been reading?
Please see above

Arizona didn't join the US until 1994?

You are confusing "OPEN carry" with "Concealed carry"

I said OPEN CARRY....

Concealed carry came later.. probably in 94 as you stated...

The key words being, of course, 'with a permit'. As I believe it should be. Gun control laws should target illegally owned and carried firearms, and not the legally owned and carried ones.
RE: Above.

Legs, you got reciprocity info? I am visiting MippleCity in Sept.

Your question was, however, effectively answered to your satisfaction I hope.

Most unfortunately, yes.


Would the majority of you...enthusiasts own large-scale munitions, given the opportunity? Howitzers for home defense? Abrams tanks for weekend off-roading? Tactical nuclear missiles as graduation presents?

What am I completely failing to grasp about your national mindset, guys? 'Cause to my way of thinking, you all sound ludicrously off-balance.

Bzzzzz. Wrong again. Do keep trying until you get it correct will you?


http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Home_invasion


Please see above
Oh honestly.

Burglary->Home Invasion. Home Invasion is a degree of Burglary. Again, § 826 defines Burglary (DE title 11 again) as "A person...enters or remains unlawfully in a dwelling at night with intent to commit a crime", or looser, § 825, which says "a person is guilty of burglary in the second degree when the person knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a dwelling with intent to commit a crime therein".


Home invasion is not a crime in Delaware. Burglary is. Entering a dwelling is still Burglary.


Try again.

Bur-glar-y.


Thanks for playing. Arizona has a higher rate of burglaries then the state of Delaware.

Burglaries occur usually in un-occupied dwellings, where home invasions occur in occupied dwellings... Are you daft?

I think AZ has a higher population then Delaware.. and we damn sure have better climate year round... which can explain the skew in the stats...

Thanks for playing... uh duh...

Most unfortunately, yes.


Would the majority of you...enthusiasts own large-scale munitions, given the opportunity? Howitzers for home defense? Abrams tanks for weekend off-roading? Tactical nuclear missiles as graduation presents?

What am I completely failing to grasp about your national mindset, guys? 'Cause to my way of thinking, you all sound ludicrously off-balance.
It beats shooting the water cannon at the football fans.

Burglaries occur usually in un-occupied dwellings, where home invasions occur in occupied dwellings... Are you daft?

I think AZ has a higher population then Delaware.. and we damn sure have better climate year round... which can explain the skew in the stats...

Thanks for playing... uh duh...
Um:
See above. I've dealt with this. Burglaries include home invasions. Subset of the whole. Generally second and first degree Burglary.

Per capita. Per hundred thousand. Population doesn't matter.

By the way, Delaware has a much nicer climate. It's colder, for one, and we get more rain.

Most unfortunately, yes.


Would the majority of you...enthusiasts own large-scale munitions, given the opportunity? Howitzers for home defense? Abrams tanks for weekend off-roading? Tactical nuclear missiles as graduation presents?

What am I completely failing to grasp about your national mindset, guys? 'Cause to my way of thinking, you all sound ludicrously off-balance.

Why is it when some people falter in a discussion, they grab some extreme example and run off to stupidville with it....

~DOH~

Um:
See above. I've dealt with this. Burglaries include home invasions. Subset of the whole. Generally second and first degree Burglary.

Per capita. Per hundred thousand. Population doesn't matter.

By the way, Delaware has a much nicer climate. It's colder, for one, and we get more rain.

Thugs are lazy and like to keep warm.... And guns don't work well when wet..

Sheeesh!

Why is it when some people falter in a discussion, they grab some extreme example and run off to stupidville with it....

~DOH~

Oh? And how do you reckon I've faltered, JA? Care to point it out, or do you prefer instead to snidely comment from off-field?

Thugs are lazy and like to keep warm.... And guns don't work well when wet..

Sheeesh!
Um...what?

Oh? And how do you reckon I've faltered, JA? Care to point it out, or do you prefer instead to snidely comment from off-field?


And this means..

"Would the majority of you...enthusiasts own large-scale munitions, given the opportunity? Howitzers for home defense? Abrams tanks for weekend off-roading? Tactical nuclear missiles as graduation presents?"

Me snide? You started it...

Sheesh!

BTW - I don't take anything too seriously... I am really just having fun with the discussion....

You are confusing "OPEN carry" with "Concealed carry"

I said OPEN CARRY....

Concealed carry came later.. probably in 94 as you stated...

I stand (actually sit) corrected.

Geez. Americans and their phall- uh, guns.


What do any one of you need hollow-point bullets for, if I may be so bold as to ask?

Increased stopping power and they are much less apt to penatrate the target and hit someone behind the target. They should be the only thing you can use.

Geez. Americans and their phall- uh, guns.


What do any one of you need hollow-point bullets for, if I may be so bold as to ask?

Killing home invaders. I don't like handguns though for that purpose, I like my good ole 20 gauge loaded with some nice heavy buckshot works much better if I needed to do that. If I knew where to get some flechette rounds though....

Killing home invaders. I don't like handguns though for that purpose, I like my good ole 20 gauge loaded with some nice heavy buckshot works much better if I needed to do that. If I knew where to get some flechette rounds though....

For those of us who prefer and own 44 Magnum handguns, Hollow points will make sure 100% of the round remains inside the perp and not pass thru to damage the paint and sheetrock in the casa.... Just gotta remember to not MISS!

Well, I won't bother being the tiresome voice of the uninsane. Go ahead, kill each other to death.

Most unfortunately, yes.


Would the majority of you...enthusiasts own large-scale munitions, given the opportunity? Howitzers for home defense? Abrams tanks for weekend off-roading? Tactical nuclear missiles as graduation presents?

What am I completely failing to grasp about your national mindset, guys? 'Cause to my way of thinking, you all sound ludicrously off-balance.

The very foundation our country was based on, was, that given the oppourtunity, government will become the enemy of the people. After having seen what happened time and time again in Europe they came to the conclusion that a disarmed populous was a captive populous. With the right to bear arms, when government becomes so abusive we have the means, if we have the will to fight back. We are not taught that the government is our friend or to trust government. (Except Calafornia) We are taught to be skeptical of it. A disarmed population can never be truely free.

Hope this makes it understandable for you.

Well, I won't bother being the tiresome voice of the uninsane. Go ahead, kill each other to death.

"Tiresome' is definately the key word in that statement.

For those of us who prefer and own 44 Magnum handguns, Hollow points will make sure 100% of the round remains inside the perp and not pass thru to damage the paint and sheetrock in the casa.... Just gotta remember to not MISS!

44 Mag? Thats a cannon! I'm not the type that likes that much, especially since my handgun accuracy isn't very good. Its difficult to aim in a stressful situation, which is why I like buckshot, its got enough spread to hit the guy if you shoot ok and will probably incapacitate him the first time you shoot if you use a good load. Though, a few of the pellets will probably fly off and do what you said, damage the walls and stuff around.

44 Mag? Thats a cannon! I'm not the type that likes that much, especially since my handgun accuracy isn't very good. Its difficult to aim in a stressful situation, which is why I like buckshot, its got enough spread to hit the guy if you shoot ok and will probably incapacitate him the first time you shoot if you use a good load. Though, a few of the pellets will probably fly off and do what you said, damage the walls and stuff around.
Hope you've got a good lawyer to get away with that...

Hope you've got a good lawyer to get away with that...

If he entered my property and is attempting to steal, I am fully within my rights to excercise my right to self defense.

If he entered my property and is attempting to steal, I am fully within my rights to excercise my right to self defense.
Nahuh. Only if he is attacking you can you unload upon him with buckshot (most definitally deadly force), not trying to take your property.

"Tiresome' is definately the key word in that statement.

Well a gun can point both ways. Mind your manners.

Nahuh. Only if he is attacking you can you unload upon him with buckshot (most definitally deadly force), not trying to take your property.

Some states still allow you to protect your property. Texas for example is not a good place to be a repo-man.

Nahuh. Only if he is attacking you can you unload upon him with buckshot (most definitally deadly force), not trying to take your property.

Depends on which state you're in. In some, if someone is on your property w/o permission, you are w/i your rights.

Most commonly, they are considered a threat if they are inside your home in the first place.

Nahuh. Only if he is attacking you can you unload upon him with buckshot (most definitally deadly force), not trying to take your property.

Are you kidding me? What state do you live in? I'm fairly certain in Texas, if someone is on your property attempting to steal, you can shoot them.

Well a gun can point both ways. Mind your manners.

Now I shouldn't consider that a threat, should I?

Depends on which state you're in. In some, if someone is on your property w/o permission, you are w/i your rights.

Most commonly, they are considered a threat if they are inside your home in the first place.
I think Texas is the only state that has a "make my day" law, all the others only allow the use of deadly force if the person is attacking you (eg, moving towards you with a deadly object, not fleeing towards the window at the sight of your gun).

Are you kidding me? What state do you live in? I'm fairly certain in Texas, if someone is on your property attempting to steal, you can shoot them.
Ah. Texas. Mind citing the statue, I know that it exists, I just want to look at it for later.

Now I shouldn't consider that a threat, should I?

No, you should consider it for what it is - a bland, dismissive witticism.









And before your nimble fingers leap to punch the 'reply' button, don't go telling me what the 'key word' is in my latest response. Just let it go already.

Ah. Texas. Mind citing the statue, I know that it exists, I just want to look at it for later.

I'm no lawyer, so I honestly don't know.

44 Mag? Thats a cannon! I'm not the type that likes that much, especially since my handgun accuracy isn't very good. Its difficult to aim in a stressful situation, which is why I like buckshot, its got enough spread to hit the guy if you shoot ok and will probably incapacitate him the first time you shoot if you use a good load. Though, a few of the pellets will probably fly off and do what you said, damage the walls and stuff around.

Yeah.... Western style quick-draw single-action... I also have some really spiffy swords in my collection.. Someone breaks in here, and I have time, I may give them the option... I find people would prefer being shot then cut up!

Imagine that!

PS: Last thing we think about during a home invasion is a lawyer here... We have to make sure they NEVER get up... It's a given...

I think Texas is the only state that has a "make my day" law, all the others only allow the use of deadly force if the person is attacking you (eg, moving towards you with a deadly object, not fleeing towards the window at the sight of your gun).

Actually defense of property inclusions are being added in several states, Florida is the latest that comes to mind. What you are referring to are back to the wall laws and they are very few, California is the only one I know of that allows people to break into your house while you are there and be safe. There might be a couple of other states that have more criminals to protect than honest citizens, but not many at all.

I'm no lawyer, so I honestly don't know.
Nevermind, found it. State codes are always fun to read, even if you aren't a lawyer :)

And before your nimble fingers leap to punch the 'reply' button, don't go telling me what the 'key word' is in my latest response. Just let it go already.

Like you did.

hell yeah... im from minnesota & i'm a gun enthusiast :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:
if you're not a gun enthusiast.... :upyours:

I think Texas is the only state that has a "make my day" law, all the others only allow the use of deadly force if the person is attacking you (eg, moving towards you with a deadly object, not fleeing towards the window at the sight of your gun).

Nope. Alaska does too. Alaska is most definatly the best state in the union.

Nope. Alaska does too. Alaska is most definatly the best state in the union.Absolutely. I wish I had never left. :(

Good, I'm glad to hear that my state government did a good thing today let alone they actually did something seeing how they somehow wasted like a whole year on trying to define two or so bills. Perfect timing too as the criminals have been out from hibernation for awhile now.

I find it funny how the Mall of America has those "no guns allowed signs" and yet no metal detectors or etc. It's like why bother putting up the signs when it doesn't bother finding out if you do in the first place?

Good, I'm glad to hear that my state government did a good thing today let alone they actually did something seeing how they somehow wasted like a whole year on trying to define two or so bills. Perfect timing too as the criminals have been out from hibernation for awhile now.

I find it funny how the Mall of America has those "no guns allowed signs" and yet no metal detectors or etc. It's like why bother putting up the signs when it doesn't bother finding out if you do in the first place?

Why didn't they just put up signs saying "Rob us Please", because that's what's going to happen. The dumbshits.

The governer who proposed that law was an ex-wrestler who stuck it in with a totally unrelated bill so it would get passed

Good, I'm glad to hear that my state government did a good thing today let alone they actually did something seeing how they somehow wasted like a whole year on trying to define two or so bills. Perfect timing too as the criminals have been out from hibernation for awhile now.

I find it funny how the Mall of America has those "no guns allowed signs" and yet no metal detectors or etc. It's like why bother putting up the signs when it doesn't bother finding out if you do in the first place?
Most major shopping centers do that. It's called, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", but if we don't like your looks we can pat you down and cop you for tresspassing if you have what we consider to be a "weapon".

Good, I'm glad to hear that my state government did a good thing today let alone they actually did something seeing how they somehow wasted like a whole year on trying to define two or so bills. Perfect timing too as the criminals have been out from hibernation for awhile now.

I find it funny how the Mall of America has those "no guns allowed signs" and yet no metal detectors or etc. It's like why bother putting up the signs when it doesn't bother finding out if you do in the first place?

It is ultimatley the buisness owners' decision, but I would say, if you can carry, bring em on in. I'm very pro gun and pro-rights in general.

Geez. Americans and their phall- uh, guns.


What do any one of you need hollow-point bullets for, if I may be so bold as to ask?
To make sure the guy stops when I shoot him.