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If you are concerned with illegal immigration and this Preesidents' treasonous attitudes towards it, please check out the following website:

http://www.slimindustries.com/border/

Check out the cool map about our borders!

Prepare to be bombarded with: "Redneck, right wing hate monger, nazi, gun nut, every explative under the sun, racist, etc". In other words, the usual.

I'm all for closing the borders but that site is run by a hate group.

Treasonous? Oh my. That would be a most amusing turn of events if this administration was brought down by "America First" groups over Immigration policies.

I'll never understand immigration policy as well as I should, I suppose. I can't understand how we manage to keep our borders so utterly unprotected in the middle of a massive public paranoia attack. It just boggles the mind.

You know what's funny?
The same President who is screaming about a social security crises is the same President who is giving billions of dollars in social security checks to illegal immigrants who have no right to them.

Treasonous? Oh my. That would be a most amusing turn of events if this administration was brought down by "America First" groups over Immigration policies.

I'll never understand immigration policy as well as I should, I suppose. I can't understand how we manage to keep our borders so utterly unprotected in the middle of a massive public paranoia attack. It just boggles the mind.

Every freaking president has sold our country out since FDR. The border issue and the whole Federal Reserve system are my biggest complaints.

I would love to see every living president in chains answering questions about why they care so little for our security.

I'm all for closing the borders but that site is run by a hate group.


That I did not know, thanks! I found it on the drunkreport.com. Sorry for the bad source.

I'm all for closing the borders but that site is run by a hate group.
Agreed a country has its rights to determin its stance on who is admited as a legal resident … does not soften my view of the websight though

You know what's funny?
The same President who is screaming about a social security crises is the same President who is giving billions of dollars in social security checks to illegal immigrants who have no right to them.

It is funny. I guess its hard to say 'no' to suffering induviduals, even if they are illegally here.

Problem is, the government has a duty to say no, and deport them! This is a subject where I think the more protectionist groups are correct. Our borders are there for a reason, enforce the borders. If we need workers, we can later create a guest worker program, or one that uses legal immigrants.

The borders are funny, do they represent what Americans actually think? If so, then well, it's a good display of the lack of education.

Home of brave... rofl, yeah right...

'Sides... I consider "chinks" offensive. Same goes for "japs" and the rest on that list. The only funny thing in it is that some Americans may really see their borders like this.

The borders are funny, do they represent what Americans actually think? If so, then well, it's a good display of the lack of education.

Home of brave... rofl, yeah right...

'Sides... I consider "chinks" offensive. Same goes for "japs" and the rest on that list. The only funny thing in it is that some Americans may really see their borders like this.
No that is not what “all Americans” think so no need to go off on a “uneducated scum” tangent

Oh yes, because people who agree with your stance on immigration are patriots, and those who disagree are treasonous. What a fucking original argument, and so highly logical too!

Besides being offensive, might I ask what happened to Alaska and Hawai'i? Last I checked they were still part of America.

Those canadian hordes eh.

Besides being offensive, might I ask what happened to Alaska and Hawai'i? Last I checked they were still part of America.


What happened to your sense of humor?

What happened to your sense of humor?
Right where it's always been, I just find it more amusing that two states were left out. But even as a joke it falls very, very flat.

Damn straight flit-boy!
So what meaning of flit boy you using ? I am guessing the Muslim homosexual male definition

So what meaning of flit boy you using ? I am guessing the Muslim homosexual male definition


Your pick! :)

Actually most people living in the boarder region and whom know more about the situation are actually FOR the Minute Men project. I'm hispanic and live in South Texas. We no longer know what is crossing and gang activity from south America is starting to take root in these parts. Also, you would be shocked to know what exactly crosses illegally outside of immigrants whom are economic refugees.

I blame Mexico the most for having such a pathetic government that should be overthrown. But alas, unless the US is going to invade and remove that government and call the territory of Mexico the US and take the responsibilty to govern that land, its pointless to continue to have an open boarder. Especially if you even are attempting to "fight a war on terror" when terrorists can have anything crossed over for the right price.

Furthermore, these guys are breaking the laws because they are ILLEGAL immigrants. Nobody is criticizing legal immigrants. In fact I think a lot of minute men are supported by legal aliens who went through the trouble of attaining citizenship legally.

Illegal immigrants also really have NO loyalties to the US republic. Their main belief is they will cross back over later. However they end up having kids that end up being Americanized and refuse to want to go back.

A lot of money goes over to the other side of the boarder to IA's families and is never seen from again..

and to tell you the truth.. the list goes on. Its time we got behind the Minutemen. Yes, there ARE some damned idiots southern rednecks, but they do NOT constitute the rest of the volenteers. The volenteers are addressing a problem the government has REFUSED to address.

Look at it this way... because we have refused to secure the boarder.. we now have to worry about this:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ttpcworld/20050519/tc_techtues_pcworld/120893&cid=1740&ncid=1729

Federal ID cards. Now the situation has even spilled over to the fact the government wants ID cards on all of us.

To not support closing the boarder.. I'm afraid to say that you are NOT patriotic. Those who support it MOSTLY know the boarder situation more than those who don't care and have not seen the effects illegal crossings have.

Ya know, I just can't find it in myself to get worked up about people crossing an imaginary line on the ground.

I especially can't see the justification in keeping them from crossing it in search of a better life.

Ya know, I just can't find it in myself to get worked up about people crossing an imaginary line on the ground.

I especially can't see the justification in keeping them from crossing it in search of a better life.

As I said before, that is because you probably are completely ignorant to the bad side effects. Your only real exposure to it is the media which really doesn't know crap at the national level to begin with. You don't hear about ANYTHING bad happening most of the time. We at the boarder however are seeing things like the malatrucha gange and other problems with boarder violence.

I especially can't see the justification in keeping them from crossing it in search of a better life.

Or from delivering our much needed cocaine?

Ya know, I just can't find it in myself to get worked up about people crossing an imaginary line on the ground.

I especially can't see the justification in keeping them from crossing it in search of a better life.

They're ILLEGAL. Don't you GET IT? They're BREAKING THE LAW.

They are CRIMINALS.

By the way, where are you guys to protect us from all the jaywalkers? It's a CRIME to cross the street ILLEGALLY, and I'm sick of seeing all the ILLEGALS too impatient to find a cross-walk... why can't they walk across the street like normal, law-abiding citizens do? They are a threat to our country, and anyone who doesn't make citizens arrests of jaywalkers are committing nothing less than TREASON!!!!!!!


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As I said before, that is because you probably are completely ignorant to the bad side effects. Your only real exposure to it is the media which really doesn't know crap at the national level to begin with. You don't hear about ANYTHING bad happening most of the time. We at the boarder however are seeing things like the malatrucha gange and other problems with boarder violence.

So according to your brilliant deductions anyone who isn't "worked up" over the border must be "completely ignorant?" And pawns of the media, too.

Frankly, for a guy who can't even spell the word "border" I'm rather skeptical about how knowledgable you are on the subject, especially when you're so quick to denounce others as being less so than yourself.

They're ILLEGAL. Don't you GET IT? They're BREAKING THE LAW.

They are CRIMINALS.

OK, we draw an imaginary line on the ground and tell everyone on one side you can't come over here it's illegal.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Perfectly.

A nation of immigrants decides sorry, too late, we're closing the door now, you're all fucked, wish you were here sooner.

So according to your brilliant deductions anyone who isn't "worked up" over the border must be "completely ignorant?" And pawns of the media, too.

Frankly, for a guy who can't even spell the word "border" I'm rather skeptical about how knowledgable you are on the subject, especially when you're so quick to denounce others as being less so than yourself.

Sorry, I do apologize for the mispellings. It is very late here, I'm about to crash, and am in a hurry to get off the net. Please don't dismiss the reality of the situation however. When you live in the boarder and see the real problems in the news, you get a MUCH different perspective.

"The Motor City Madmen" - official warning for flaming. Refrain from slinging slurs about in future, or 'twill go the worse for you. I trust I am understood.

The rest of you are getting rather worked up. Cool it fast, or I will have no option but to lock this thread once more - and permanently.

iUnlock.

~ Tsar the Mod.

Actually most people living in the boarder region and whom know more about the situation are actually FOR the Minute Men project. I'm hispanic and live in South Texas. We no longer know what is crossing and gang activity from south America is starting to take root in these parts. Also, you would be shocked to know what exactly crosses illegally outside of immigrants whom are economic refugees.

I blame Mexico the most for having such a pathetic government that should be overthrown. But alas, unless the US is going to invade and remove that government and call the territory of Mexico the US and take the responsibilty to govern that land, its pointless to continue to have an open boarder. Especially if you even are attempting to "fight a war on terror" when terrorists can have anything crossed over for the right price.

Furthermore, these guys are breaking the laws because they are ILLEGAL immigrants. Nobody is criticizing legal immigrants. In fact I think a lot of minute men are supported by legal aliens who went through the trouble of attaining citizenship legally.

Illegal immigrants also really have NO loyalties to the US republic. Their main belief is they will cross back over later. However they end up having kids that end up being Americanized and refuse to want to go back.

A lot of money goes over to the other side of the boarder to IA's families and is never seen from again..

and to tell you the truth.. the list goes on. Its time we got behind the Minutemen. Yes, there ARE some damned idiots southern rednecks, but they do NOT constitute the rest of the volenteers. The volenteers are addressing a problem the government has REFUSED to address.

Look at it this way... because we have refused to secure the boarder.. we now have to worry about this:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ttpcworld/20050519/tc_techtues_pcworld/120893&cid=1740&ncid=1729

Federal ID cards. Now the situation has even spilled over to the fact the government wants ID cards on all of us.

To not support closing the boarder.. I'm afraid to say that you are NOT patriotic. Those who support it MOSTLY know the boarder situation more than those who don't care and have not seen the effects illegal crossings have.
Its 80% violent gangs, terrorists, drug lords, and human trafficking that is crossing the border illegally these days. For the sake of our national security and for the sake of the safety of our own citizens and the citizens of other nations visiting our nation, the southern border must be shut down.

This has nothing to do with race. Even the Mexican government is finally starting to attempt to do something about the problem but corrupt officials in their own government are trying to block them. I fear the only recourse we will have IS to invade Mexico and just take over. Its the only way to route out the violent gangs, drug lords, and human traffickers and terrorists.
This is not about race. That site not withstanding.

Ya know, I just can't find it in myself to get worked up about people crossing an imaginary line on the ground.

I especially can't see the justification in keeping them from crossing it in search of a better life.
The ones who come over and obey our laws and learn our language and respect our culture are not the problem. The problem is the criminals who cross over with them. And to go after the criminals we have to go after all illegals, even those who have nothing to do with the criminals.

OK, we draw an imaginary line on the ground and tell everyone on one side you can't come over here it's illegal.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Perfectly.

A nation of immigrants decides sorry, too late, we're closing the door now, you're all fucked, wish you were here sooner.
those willing to come here and obey our laws are welcome to come, those who come to cause problems or harm our nation and its people are not welcome. Its because of the latter that the border must be closed.

We put the border there for a reason, its to determine where our government's influence ends and another begins. To be blunt, our borders are so weakly and pathetically defended that it doesn't take a lot to get past them. I'm all for people entering this country, but do it LEGALLY.

Prepare to be bombarded with: "Redneck, right wing hate monger, nazi, gun nut, every explative under the sun, racist, etc". In other words, the usual.
These are insults that you routinely use. Are you planning to castigate The Motor City Madmen yourself?

These immigrants mostly do jobs that ordinary Americans do not do. Without immigrants the American economy would grind to a halt. So count your blessings and shut your trap *"your" being somebody vague*.

These immigrants mostly do jobs that ordinary Americans do not do. Without immigrants the American economy would grind to a halt. So count your blessings and shut your trap *"your" being somebody vague*.
you know that's a pretty racist comment. Vicente Fox said the same thing and was forced to apologize for it cause it was racist

you know that's a pretty racist comment. Vicente Fox said the same thing and was forced to apologize for it cause it was racist

The comment isn't designed to be racist. It's hardly racist. It could be Americans flooding into Mexico for all I care. What I mean is the average American will not pick fruits in California for that kind of wage. But to Mexicans, that job earns more than what they earn in Mexico. And the fruits need to be picked. It's just reality.

Prepare to be bombarded with: "Redneck, right wing hate monger, nazi, gun nut, every explative under the sun, racist, etc". In other words, the usual.

And rightly so, no?

The comment isn't designed to be racist. It's hardly racist. It could be Americans flooding into Mexico for all I care. What I mean is the average American will not pick fruits in California for that kind of wage. But to Mexicans, that job earns more than what they earn in Mexico. And the fruits need to be picked. It's just reality.
there you go again. assuming that Mexicans can't make good money in their own nation. that's a perfect example of ethnocentrism. You do know that Mexico's economy has come a long way since the 70's right? some of the mexicans who come here and work the fields end up making less than they would back home. But they come because they want the freedom. Freedom that they don't have in Mexico. And to get that freedom they are willing to work for lower wages so they can bring their families across too, in the hopes that they can get higher paying jobs than they currently have or than they can get in Mexico. But many gets stuck doing farm work because of their illegal status. If they would go through the legalization process, they would get higher paying jobs.
also they would be protected from victimization. Over 90% of immigrants who are here illegally are often victims of criminal elements.

there you go again. assuming that Mexicans can't make good money in their own nation. that's a perfect example of ethnocentrism. You do know that Mexico's economy has come a long way since the 70's right? some of the mexicans who come here and work the fields end up making less than they would back home. But they come because they want the freedom. Freedom that they don't have in Mexico. And to get that freedom they are willing to work for lower wages so they can bring their families across too, in the hopes that they can get higher paying jobs than they currently have or than they can get in Mexico. But many gets stuck doing farm work because of their illegal status. If they would go through the legalization process, they would get higher paying jobs.
also they would be protected from victimization. Over 90% of immigrants who are here illegally are often victims of criminal elements.

The Mexicans are indeed unable to get rich themselves - whose fault? They have come a far way since 1970s, but so have the US. Also, while SOME sectors of the Mexican economy has benefitted, much of the population still lives in poverty. It's perfectly normal, even expected, that labour will flow from Mexico to the US. It's simple economics. Nothing to do with racism.

For some facts:

40% of Mexico's population still lives under the poverty line.

The Gini Index, which shows income inequality, is 53.1 - very high.

Unemployment is 3.2% but underemployment is 25%.

Their public debt (money owed by the government) comprises of 23.5% of the GDP - a quarter of the total market value of all the final goods and services produced by the Mexican economy

If I was a Mexican living in the worse conditions, I'd be wanting to go to America. It isn't racist - it's economics. The same thing is happening in France and Italy.