NationStates Jolt Archive

If Franz hadn't have been shot, and there was no Rasputin... or no World War I...

25-05-2005, 05:47
Would we have a Tsar in Russia and a bunch of kings around Europe today?
I mean there wouldn't have been a cold war with Tsarist policies.
Would Franz or Karl(if Franz died still) have their dream of Slavic states made a reality. Would there still be an Austria-Hungary?
I am curious if Wilhelm II would have simply gone on being eccentric until his death, he never really wanted a war.
Would there still be Autocratic emperors, or atleast strong constitutional monarchs?

What do you all think?
The Downmarching Void
25-05-2005, 06:06
I think for Tsarism to have survived in Russia, Tsar Alexander would have to never have been assassinated. He would have had the time to mould Nicholas into a true leader, rather than an emotional softy with a low self-esteem, who questioned his every move with self-doubt.

Read the 1914, 1915, 1916,1917 series of historical novels by Solzhenitsyn for some excellent insights into how the entire revolution unfolded, and the Tsars own hand in it.
New Shiron
25-05-2005, 06:11
Germany would have certainly become a constitutional monarchy eventually, at least in my opinion. I don't know how the Hapsburgs might have survived, but I suppose its possible. Italy was already a Constutitional Monarchy and the French were already a Republic.

A kinder gentler Europe? Where Total War was a outdated concept from Napoleonic times and the US Civil War? The wasted lives in the trenches and then far more lost in the battlefields and camps of World War 2 not snuffed out?

Russia might have made it to constitutional Monarchy as well, although intact is hard to say. The US would have continued to remain isolationist mostly, although Japan and the US would probably still have fought a Great Pacific War at some point (both sides spent World War I building fleets to fight the other with for the most part).

The vast amounts of blood and treasure lost in 2 World Wars would have been available for other things, potentially even the development of the European Empires, which would probably have remained for much, much longer.

Certainly Communism would not have had its great chance under Lenin, who would have remained in increasingly embittered exile. Perhaps Mao would have tried it anyway in China. Conditions in China were not greatly affected by the Great War (which is why I think Japan and the US would have fought even without the Great War).

A bunch of semi bumbling amateur terrorists from Serbia made all of this a "What might have been"
Patra Caesar
25-05-2005, 06:20
If the Romans were not defeated in the Tuttenburg forrest 2000 years ago there would not have been a traditional Franco-Prussian/German conflict to facilitate WWI or WWII. WWII was a product of WWI so if you stopped the first (either by alerting the Romans or Franz) you wouldn't have had Hitler.
25-05-2005, 08:39
If the crab people had not been defeated in the second battle of Atlantis, we would all be talking Clicksnapian right now.