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by people who claim to be Christians. (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0524-09.htm)

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A sign in front of Danieltown Baptist Church, located at 2361 U.S. 221 south reads "The Koran needs to be flushed," and the Rev. Creighton Lovelace , pastor of the church, is not apologizing for the display.

"I believe that it is a statement supporting the word of God and that it (the Bible) is above all and that any other religious book that does not teach Christ as savior and lord as the 66 books of the Bible teaches it, is wrong," said Lovelace. "I knew that whenever we decided to put that sign up that there would be people who wouldn't agree with it, and there would be some that would, and so we just have to stand up for what's right."

For what's right? Whatever happened to the golden rule? Whatever happened to empathy? For that matter, does Lovelace (I refuse to call him "reverend") think that this is a good proselytizing tactic?

I swear, if Jesus was around today, he'd be going around to most of these churches and pimp-slapping the hell out of a lot of people. I imagine the word "Pharisee" would be tossed around a lot as well.

But there's really two points I want to make here. One--if you honestly think the Newsweek article caused riots in Iraq and Afghanistan (then you're a moron, but whatever), then how do you think this is going to improve the situation? Two--if you're a christian, and you see this, do you really wonder why atheists sneer at you? Sure, this isn't representative, but I haven't seen "christian" leaders exactly falling over themselves to condemn it.

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For what's right? Whatever happened to the golden rule? Whatever happened to empathy? For that matter, does Lovelace (I refuse to call him "reverend") think that this is a good proselytizing tactic?

I swear, if Jesus was around today, he'd be going around to most of these churches and pimp-slapping the hell out of a lot of people. I imagine the word "Pharisee" would be tossed around a lot as well.

But there's really two points I want to make here. One--if you honestly think the Newsweek article caused riots in Iraq and Afghanistan (then you're a moron, but whatever), then how do you think this is going to improve the situation? Two--if you're a christian, and you see this, do you really wonder why atheists sneer at you? Sure, this isn't representative, but I haven't seen "christian" leaders exactly falling over themselves to condemn it.
Not very nice of them is it

Someone should Happy Slap Lovelace.

Ha! Now I'm the first one to us the term "Happy Slap" in a different context! Muahahaha.

So what's with the image link? Do images not show up here?

So what's with the image link? Do images not show up here?
They are showing up with me

So what's with the image link? Do images not show up here?

I think there may be an option in your profile to make them display in the text.

by people who claim to be Christians. (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0524-09.htm)

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I swear, if Jesus was around today, he'd be going around to most of these churches and pimp-slapping the hell out of a lot of people. I imagine the word "Pharisee" would be tossed around a lot as well.



Well, you really think he'd support that whole Islam thingie?

Well, you really think he'd support that whole Islam thingie?
No but not believing in a document and supporting desecration is hardly the same thing

I don’t believe in the bible but I would not find it a nice thing to do to support flushing it

I think there may be an option in your profile to make them display in the text.
Thanks--I've got it now.

Nice of people to show moral indignation in places where it will not count for anything. You can be all high and mighty in places like these forums and tell yourself that I did my good deed for the day.... but in reality, who is really listening to you? The US is in the hands of people who believe exactly the kind of things that "preacher" is saying. I don't hear anyone trying to make changes at the top. They got elected because most people buy that sort of bull isn't it? So instead of being indignant here, go out and try to make some real changes. Otherwise by being passive we are all silently helping exactly the kind of people that you are criticizing.

Well, you really think he'd support that whole Islam thingie?
Who knows? He might. But more importantly, he'd have shown respect for those people as human beings and for their beliefs. Jesus was all about the love. These guys wouldn't know love if it kissed them full on the mouth.

Nice of people to show moral indignation in places where it will not count for anything. You can be all high and mighty in places like these forums and tell yourself that I did my good deed for the day.... but in reality, who is really listening to you? The US is in the hands of people who believe exactly the kind of things that "preacher" is saying. I don't hear anyone trying to make changes at the top. They got elected because most people buy that sort of bull isn't it? So instead of being indignant here, go out and try to make some real changes. Otherwise by being passive we are all silently helping exactly the kind of people that you are criticizing.
You make the assumption that we don’t try in the real life … though our actions to others or our voting. While that is true of some I wouldn’t make that blanket statement for all of us that post on these forums.

No but not believing in a document and supporting desecration is hardly the same thing

I don’t believe in the bible but I would not find it a nice thing to do to support flushing it


To a Christian, the koran is not sacred, so how can it be desecrated? I don't believe in any of these cults, but I'd flush it for S&G's. I tried flushing a koran on Sunday, but it backed up my system. I'd like to see one of those Army toilets with it's super flushing abilities.

Well... I guess I'll counter that question with another question... what kind of Christians does the media pay the most attention to? The relatively unimposing moderates or the right wing televangelists you see on select channels every morning... The media has no reason to even consider the viewpoints of Christians that doesn't operate in a high profile way... so any sort of condemnation from them are unlikely to ever reach anyone's ears outside their own congregation... so you might as well be saying that the Atheist's view of Christians are just as biased as the very media that is being condemned for being biased... The Christian community is as diverse as the world around us... to say that Christians are lockstep and nuts would make those making those condemnation no better than the religious right that preach oppression... People nowadays... too much reliance on the media... when the internet is so much better... >.>... <.<... here... se what the White House says about Social Security. @.@...

Who knows? He might. But more importantly, he'd have shown respect for those people as human beings and for their beliefs. Jesus was all about the love. These guys wouldn't know love if it kissed them full on the mouth.

Actually I think he would think of the Islam people as idol worshippers. He'd love them, but would not likely respect their belief's, you know as that whole son of God thing. :)

To a Christian, the koran is not sacred, so how can it be desecrated? I don't believe in any of these cults, but I'd flush it for S&G's. I tried flushing a koran on Sunday, but it backed up my system. I'd like to see one of those Army toilets with it's super flushing abilities.The Golden rule, assuming you're a christian? Remember, the whole "treat others as you would be treated" bit? Seems to me that that would be cause enough not to do it, forget the actual physical torture that some of these soldiers inflicted on people.

And regardless of your religious convictions or lack thereof, it's a stupid thing to do tactically--if you're an American, then you've got countrymen over there who are now in even greater danger as a result of this blowhard. Wonder if this joker has kids, if they're in the army? I wonder how many members of his congregation have family over there? It's in North Carolina, so I'd be surprised if there weren't at least one family with a kid or a sibling or a cousin in Iraq or Afghanistan right now. Stupid stupid stupid.

Actually I think he would think of the Islam people as idol worshippers. He'd love them, but would not likely respect their belief's, you know as that whole son of God thing. :)

It's odd how so many Christians call Muslims pagan, we do worship the same God..

To a Christian, the koran is not sacred, so how can it be desecrated? I don't believe in any of these cults, but I'd flush it for S&G's. I tried flushing a koran on Sunday, but it backed up my system. I'd like to see one of those Army toilets with it's super flushing abilities.
True my word choice was off but still the thrust of where I was going there is there is no reason to trash their book

You may not claim to be very nice and you don’t have to be but if you are claming that your religion is one of love and enlightenment using it to support spiteful destruction of peoples held belief there is a bit of a conflict there

It's odd how so many Christians call Muslims pagan, we do worship the same God..


I'm not a Christian, Einstein!

No, you do not worship the same god. Prove it!

True my word choice was off but still the thrust of where I was going there is there is no reason to trash their book

You may not claim to be very nice and you don’t have to be but if you are claming that your religion is one of love and enlightenment using it to support spiteful destruction of peoples held belief there is a bit of a conflict there

No there is no conflict, as those others are liars and worship a false god.

No there is no conflict, as those others are liars and worship a false god.
Even so if the religion truly preaches love and kindness and enlightenment someone following does not do that sort of things even when the other guys are wrong by your viewpoint

by people who claim to be Christians. (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0524-09.htm)

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For what's right? Whatever happened to the golden rule? Whatever happened to empathy? For that matter, does Lovelace (I refuse to call him "reverend") think that this is a good proselytizing tactic?

I swear, if Jesus was around today, he'd be going around to most of these churches and pimp-slapping the hell out of a lot of people. I imagine the word "Pharisee" would be tossed around a lot as well.

But there's really two points I want to make here. One--if you honestly think the Newsweek article caused riots in Iraq and Afghanistan (then you're a moron, but whatever), then how do you think this is going to improve the situation? Two--if you're a christian, and you see this, do you really wonder why atheists sneer at you? Sure, this isn't representative, but I haven't seen "christian" leaders exactly falling over themselves to condemn it.

think before you speak. The only reason we even know about this is because the money hungry media is publicizing it and making a big deal so they can increase their coffers and get more muslims, who have nothing to do with the community where the sign is on display, to riot. Why? So they can increase their ratings.
This doesn't even belong on the front page.

I'm not a Christian, Einstein!

No, you do not worship the same god. Prove it!
What's to prove? The Muslim Allah is the same as the Jewish Yahweh and is the same as the Christian Jehovah. The Qu'ran says that Allah was the God of Abraham--the Abraham from the Bible--and the Jewish God is the same as the Christian god, although in christianity you get Jesus as a bonus, either separately or as part of a trinity depending on the specific sect.

think before you speak. The only reason we even know about this is because the money hungry media is publicizing it and making a big deal so they can increase their coffers and get more muslims, who have nothing to do with the community where the sign is on display, to riot. Why? So they can increase their ratings.
This doesn't even belong on the front page.
Maybe not but even if we did not hear about it does not make the situation any more wrong or right

think before you speak. The only reason we even know about this is because the money hungry media is publicizing it and making a big deal so they can increase their coffers and get more muslims, who have nothing to do with the community where the sign is on display, to riot. Why? So they can increase their ratings.
This doesn't even belong on the front page.
It's hardly on the front page--it's from a North Carolina paper and was picked up by Common Dreams, but if you believe that in this age of the internet that this won't be front page in the Middle East, then you're deluding yourself. It doesn't matter that it's not mainstream thought--that's how it'll get spun, and since no one is speaking out against it, especially in the government, then they'll have no reason to think otherwise.

What's to prove? The Muslim Allah is the same as the Jewish Yahweh and is the same as the Christian Jehovah. The Qu'ran says that Allah was the God of Abraham--the Abraham from the Bible--and the Jewish God is the same as the Christian god, although in christianity you get Jesus as a bonus, either separately or as part of a trinity depending on the specific sect.


Muslims pray to some silly moon god. Seriously, some dude on a camel "receives the word of Allah", writes it down, and suddenly it's associated with the Jews and Christians because that camel jockey is smart enough to associate it with those religions? Sounds like that guy had some kick ass hash. Me wants a hit.

Maybe not but even if we did not hear about it does not make the situation any more wrong or right
its an issue that belongs in the congregation, not among outsiders trying to dictate to the church what it can and can't do. The story should never have been published. Whether its right or wrong is none of anyone elses business. By publishing it, the media is trying to stir up more rioting and more deaths.

Maybe not but even if we did not hear about it does not make the situation any more wrong or right

If those stupid Arabs use this as an excuse to riot and kill more of their own, I say good. Following Darwin, I'd say it would be good for humankind. If you riot over something as stupid as this, it really is sad.

Muslims pray to some silly moon god. Seriously, some dude on a camel "receives the word of Allah", writes it down, and suddenly it's associated with the Jews and Christians because that camel jockey is smart enough to associate it with those religions? Sounds like that guy had some kick ass hash. Me wants a hit.
Lol reminds me of jesus hijacking the Jewish religion ... just because there is an origional the new is based off of does not nessisarily mean the origional is right if so christianity better start praying to the jewish god

If those stupid Arabs use this as an excuse to riot and kill more of their own, I say good. Following Darwin, I'd say it would be good for humankind. If you riot over something as stupid as this, it really is sad.
I agree that for me would not be a good reason to riot but that is not really what my statement was dealing with but yeah

It's hardly on the front page--it's from a North Carolina paper and was picked up by Common Dreams, but if you believe that in this age of the internet that this won't be front page in the Middle East, then you're deluding yourself. It doesn't matter that it's not mainstream thought--that's how it'll get spun, and since no one is speaking out against it, especially in the government, then they'll have no reason to think otherwise.
No paper, not even a north carolina paper should have publicized it. Now that they did there will be riots and more people will die cause the North Carolina paper decided that increasing readership was more important than not inciting religious riots. the media are acting more and more irresponsible every day. its bad enough about the Newsweek debacle but they still continue to toss fuel on the fire.

its an issue that belongs in the congregation, not among outsiders trying to dictate to the church what it can and can't do. The story should never have been published. Whether its right or wrong is none of anyone elses business. By publishing it, the media is trying to stir up more rioting and more deaths.Sorry, but the second they put it on a public sign on a public roadway, it stopped being an private matter in the congregation. It became a public one, and they deserve all the ridicule they get. Certainly, they have the right to say what they wish--and they have to deal with the consequences, which will be public ridicule and condemnation from a number of people. I'm not telling them that they have to remove the sign, nor is anyone in the law enforcement community--I'm just telling them that they're wrong and why.

its an issue that belongs in the congregation, not among outsiders trying to dictate to the church what it can and can't do. The story should never have been published. Whether its right or wrong is none of anyone elses business. By publishing it, the media is trying to stir up more rioting and more deaths.
They are publicly displaying it on a sign how is that not a public issue any more

No one is trying to tell them what they can or cant do just pointing out the apparent contradictions on the “love “ that Jesus seemed to preach and what they are doing

If they wanted it to stay within the church you figure they wouldn’t put it on a big sign for everyone to see. Its in the public eye now and they have a right to see that big sign too

No paper, not even a north carolina paper should have publicized it. Now that they did there will be riots and more people will die cause the North Carolina paper decided that increasing readership was more important than not inciting religious riots. the media are acting more and more irresponsible every day. its bad enough about the Newsweek debacle but they still continue to toss fuel on the fire.
Here's a better idea--How about we stop giving the insurgents stuff to be pissed off about? How about we actually stop doing bad shit to them? How about we start treating them like human beings? Maybe if there's no abuse to report on, then we won't have to worry about the news media publishing stuff that makes us look bad.

They are publicly displaying it on a sign how is that not a public issue any more

No one is trying to tell them what they can or cant do just pointing out the apparent contradictions on the “love “ that Jesus seemed to preach and what they are doing

If they wanted it to stay within the church you figure they wouldn’t put it on a big sign for everyone to see. Its in the public eye now and they have a right to see that big sign too


I've read the NT many times, and in no book did Jesus tell anyone to respect the religion of others. Can you point it out to me? Maybe your definition of "love" is different from Jesus'.

Here's a better idea--How about we stop giving the insurgents stuff to be pissed off about? How about we actually stop doing bad shit to them? How about we start treating them like human beings? Maybe if there's no abuse to report on, then we won't have to worry about the news media publishing stuff that makes us look bad.

How about they stop blowing themselves up? Tell them to not call us infidels and want to rid the world of us, then we can leave them alone. They are a cancer in the world and must be destroyed before they grow.

I've read the NT many times, and in no book did Jesus tell anyone to respect the religion of others. Can you point it out to me? Maybe your definition of "love" is different from Jesus'.
Jesus taught to love man as a whole

John 3:18
Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action.

Well, you really think he'd support that whole Islam thingie?

No, but he wouldn't accept his followers shining him in an even worse light than he has been by them in the past.

Jesus taught to love man as a whole

John 3:18
Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action.

He was only speaking to a distinct group of people. ;)

How about they stop blowing themselves up? Tell them to not call us infidels and want to rid the world of us, then we can leave them alone. They are a cancer in the world and must be destroyed before they grow.
You know, last time I checked, we invaded Iraq, not the other way around. Last time I checked, none of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi. Last time I checked, we were the ones who started all the shit over there. So maybe, just maybe, we deserve the blame for this one. I don't think that's a stretch.

And by the way, if you really believe they're a cancer who must be destroyed before they can grow, then put up or shut up--the Army's having trouble filling their quotas right now and they're even taking people they wouldn't have touched in the past. I don't know your physical condition, but right now, I think they're taking you if you're breathing and have most of your original limbs.

If those stupid Arabs use this as an excuse to riot and kill more of their own, I say good. Following Darwin, I'd say it would be good for humankind. If you riot over something as stupid as this, it really is sad.

try a little more subtlety. stubbornness is the best trait in a good flamer, but key is avoiding actual racial slang. instead, imply that you believe all the stereotypes to be true; its much more underhand and you're less likely to be forum-booted for it.

try a little more subtlety. stubbornness is the best trait in a good flamer, but key is avoiding actual racial slang. instead, imply that you believe all the stereotypes to be true; its much more underhand and you're less likely to be forum-booted for it.

I guess I missed the memo; is the word arab racist now?

I guess I missed the memo; is the word arab racist now?

no, but camel jockey is.

so yes you did miss the memo.

Sorry, but the second they put it on a public sign on a public roadway, it stopped being an private matter in the congregation. It became a public one, and they deserve all the ridicule they get. Certainly, they have the right to say what they wish--and they have to deal with the consequences, which will be public ridicule and condemnation from a number of people. I'm not telling them that they have to remove the sign, nor is anyone in the law enforcement community--I'm just telling them that they're wrong and why.
I agree with you on that. BUt I'm just saying it doesn't belong in the media.

You know, last time I checked, we invaded Iraq, not the other way around. Last time I checked, none of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi. Last time I checked, we were the ones who started all the shit over there. So maybe, just maybe, we deserve the blame for this one. I don't think that's a stretch.

And by the way, if you really believe they're a cancer who must be destroyed before they can grow, then put up or shut up--the Army's having trouble filling their quotas right now and they're even taking people they wouldn't have touched in the past. I don't know your physical condition, but right now, I think they're taking you if you're breathing and have most of your original limbs.


Tough talk, loser. I served my time for this country. Alas, now I'm just too old. What have you done, wimp?

Remember the Billy Joel song "We Didn't Start the Fire"? Seriously if they didn't want us there, they should have fought harder.

no, but camel jockey is.

so yes you did miss the memo.


When did he say camel jockey?

Here's a better idea--How about we stop giving the insurgents stuff to be pissed off about? How about we actually stop doing bad shit to them? How about we start treating them like human beings? Maybe if there's no abuse to report on, then we won't have to worry about the news media publishing stuff that makes us look bad.
Putting up a sign that says "Flush the Bible" in no way whatever, violates the rights of anyone.
The church has not engaged in any human rights violations with their action.
I for one think what you propose goes against freedom as it means giving the terrorists everything they want which to force an Islamic fundamentalist government on the entire planet. And America seems to be the only nation willing to tell them to go to hell.

try a little more subtlety. stubbornness is the best trait in a good flamer, but key is avoiding actual racial slang. instead, imply that you believe all the stereotypes to be true; its much more underhand and you're less likely to be forum-booted for it.


Why are you even typing to me?

Tough talk, loser. I served my time for this country. Alas, now I'm just too old. What have you done, wimp?

Remember the Billy Joel song "We Didn't Start the Fire"? Seriously if they didn't want us there, they should have fought harder.
that was a good song

How about they stop blowing themselves up? Tell them to not call us infidels and want to rid the world of us, then we can leave them alone. They are a cancer in the world and must be destroyed before they grow.

True, but if they're willing to die for something, it's not going to be easy to convince them that their beliefs are wrong.
And frankly, we want to rid the world of them as much as they do of us. Don't get me wrong, I think they're crazy, but we need a better soultion than, "our way or nothing" because that won't work.

True, but if they're willing to die for something, it's not going to be easy to convince them that their beliefs are wrong.
And frankly, we want to rid the world of them as much as they do of us. Don't get me wrong, I think they're crazy, but we need a better soultion than, "our way or nothing" because that won't work.

A bullet to the brains stops every terrorist. My way would work. ;)

When did he say camel jockey?

find it yourself. its not hard.

find it yourself. its not hard.

Speak for yourself. ;)

Tough talk, loser. I served my time for this country. Alas, now I'm just too old. What have you done, wimp?

Remember the Billy Joel song "We Didn't Start the Fire"? Seriously if they didn't want us there, they should have fought harder.
I opposed the war--actively. That's what I did. I've spoken publicly about how this war was based on a lie. I campaigned actively to get rid of the people in power who led us into this unnecessary war. In short, I have every right to crirticize it because I never supported it.

And as to your second point, it seems to me that they're fighting plenty hard right now, and doing a pretty effective job of it. At the rate they're going, the army may decide you're not too old after all--better shine up those boots.

find it yourself. its not hard.

Nope, the first person to use the expression "camel jockey" was you.

Why are you even typing to me?

because even amateur flamers need some love sometimes.

I opposed the war--actively. That's what I did. I've spoken publicly about how this war was based on a lie. I campaigned actively to get rid of the people in power who led us into this unnecessary war. In short, I have every right to crirticize it because I never supported it.

And as to your second point, it seems to me that they're fighting plenty hard right now, and doing a pretty effective job of it. At the rate they're going, the army may decide you're not too old after all--better shine up those boots.
you forget that its not the natives who are fighting us. Its Al Qaeda.
Even Al Sadr is on our side now. The Iraqis and Americans are allied against the terrorists who are being funded by Iran which wants to cause Iraq to fall apart into feuding states so they can move in.

Speaking of being against the war, why didn't you oppose the war against Serbia? That war was way more illegal than this one. But you and your people didn't say anything bout it. In fact, if memory is right, you all actually supported it.

Christians like that give Christianity a bad name. I don't think a god of love approves of his misguided method of proselytizing.

Maharlikana

Muslims pray to some silly moon god. Seriously, some dude on a camel "receives the word of Allah", writes it down, and suddenly it's associated with the Jews and Christians because that camel jockey is smart enough to associate it with those religions? Sounds like that guy had some kick ass hash. Me wants a hit.

Nope, the first person to use the expression "camel jockey" was you.

wrong.

And as to your second point, it seems to me that they're fighting plenty hard right now, and doing a pretty effective job of it. At the rate they're going, the army may decide you're not too old after all--better shine up those boots.

Hmm, we aren't losing too many yet. They aren't fighting too hard. They are easy to kill. I should know as I was there the first time around at the end of my career, let's just say my grandkids in the backyard are better soldiers then most of "them".

The greatest thing you can do for your country is fight for her, not puss out and carry a poster.

wrong.

I stand corrected.

He's got a point though.

Christians like that give Christianity a bad name. I don't think a god of love approves of his misguided method of proselytizing.

Maharlikana


I repeat, I'm not a Christian. I do not follow cults, you Faulknerian Idiot man-child!

because even amateur flamers need some love sometimes.


Amateur? haha, with pinkos' like you, anyone who flames is a pro.

I stand corrected.

He's got a point though.

which 'point?'

which 'point?'

The whole moon god thing and that you are a pinko.

which 'point?'

About the silly moon god.

Amateur? haha, with pinkos' like you, anyone who flames is a pro.

....still amateur at best. the key to being a good flamer is inflation of statements made by others, taken completely out of context, while at the same time attempting to run the train of conversation off in a completely opposite direction. you managed the latter perfectly well, but the first still needs some work. the pinko thing was far too out of place to come off as offensive and unthinkingly inconsiderate.

About the silly moon god.

my dads kinda a muslim, sooooo.... no, not really. more of the exact same god but with added commandments, just like the christian god came from the jewish god.

....still amateur at best. the key to being a good flamer is inflation of statements made by others, taken completely out of context, while at the same time attempting to run the train of conversation off in a completely opposite direction. you managed the latter perfectly well, but the first still needs some work. the pinko thing was far too out of place to come off as offensive and unthinkingly inconsiderate.

For your information, my flaming abilities are quite good.
Alot of people thing I excell at it in other forums.
Guess you should ask them.

my dads kinda a muslim, sooooo.... no, not really. more of the exact same god but with added commandments, just like the christian god came from the jewish god.

So why is there a moon on top of the Mosque?

He was saying, and with justification, that basically islam is just some stuff that this guy made up, and he had the foresight to connect it with older religions to give it the blush of legtimacy - like the mormons with christianity.

It's a valid observation.

my dads kinda a muslim, sooooo.... no, not really. more of the exact same god but with added commandments, just like the christian god came from the jewish god.


Wow, your dads' a muslim? Mine is a Cowboy.

Yup amazing how hundreds of years later the koran was written and all. No attempts at giving it some credibility back then occured. None at all.

PS-Give dad a BLT for me, and a bottle of Mad Dog.

So why is there a moon on top of the Mosque?

He was saying, and with justification, that basically islam is just some stuff that this guy made up, and he had the foresight to connect it with older religions to give it the blush of legtimacy - like the mormons with christianity.

It's a valid observation.

so by your logic, the christian god is a god of two sticks tied together to form a 't'.

and i still don't understand how this stuff can't be applied to christianity as a whole. if you are disproving anything, it is the entire concept of religion, not just one overall.

For your information, my flaming abilities are quite good.
Alot of people thing I excell at it in other forums.
Guess you should ask them.

telling us your flaming abilities are good doesn't make them good, it makes you stupid.

Wow, your dads' a muslim? Mine is a Cowboy.

Yup amazing how hundreds of years later the koran was written and all. No attempts at giving it some credibility back then occured. None at all.

PS-Give dad a BLT for me, and a bottle of Mad Dog.

i have no idea what the hell you're saying, nor do i understand why i should give my father a sandwich.

so by your logic, the christian god is a god of two sticks tied together to form a 't'.

and i still don't understand how this stuff can't be applied to christianity as a whole. if you are disproving anything, it is the entire concept of religion, not just one overall.

Yes, I am skeptical of all religion. Well spotted. It doesn't change the fact that the claim it "is all one god" is pretty baseless.

Yes, I am skeptical of all religion. Well spotted. It doesn't change the fact that the claim it "is all one god" is pretty baseless.

baseless, no.

but i'm glad we agree on the religion front.

A bullet to the brains stops every terrorist. My way would work. ;)

Really? What about the ten that pop up because you killed their cousin? What about the accidental deaths that accomplish the same thing? Can you be certain that was a terrorist you just shot? I think Isreal has tried that for the past 50 years, and it's worked really well for them.

Really? What about the ten that pop up because you killed their cousin? What about the accidental deaths that accomplish the same thing? Can you be certain that was a terrorist you just shot? I think Isreal has tried that for the past 50 years, and it's worked really well for them.


Just make plenty of bullets. Killing is easy if you use the right weapon.

Killing islamic terrorists is like eating noodles; you can't stop with just one. ;)

my dads kinda a muslim, sooooo.... no, not really. more of the exact same god but with added commandments, just like the christian god came from the jewish god.

Well... technically, the Christian God is the Jewish God... but you're muslim then (err, kind of?) I'd like to have a real, civil intelligent discussion with you if you are (no proselytizing promise!). I'm from a nation with a sizable muslim population and I want to write a historic adventure story (set in the Peninsular War 1808-1813) where two brothers, one muslim and one Christian, square off to defend their families.

Thanks and peace,
Maharlikana

Really? What about the ten that pop up because you killed their cousin? What about the accidental deaths that accomplish the same thing? Can you be certain that was a terrorist you just shot? I think Isreal has tried that for the past 50 years, and it's worked really well for them.

If the Jews were let loose, and if we were too, there wouldn't be any terrorists in the mideast or anywhere else. They'd be meeting allah.

Just make plenty of bullets. Killing is easy if you use the right weapon.

Killing islamic terrorists is like eating noodles; you can't stop with just one. ;)
Lol and they are probably saying the equivalent … seems almost like poetic justice, so far opposed to each other you actually act a lot alike lol (or posture to act alike)

Lol and they are probably saying the equivalent … seems almost like poetic justice, so far opposed to each other you actually act a lot alike lol (or posture to act alike)

Yes, but my bathing habits are superior to those mudmen. Also I don't need meth to kill people, and I don't have to cover my face like a coward, or do I have to blow up a car near kids getting ice cream, or hide in a church, or want to oppress women....

Lol and they are probably saying the equivalent … seems almost like poetic justice, so far opposed to each other you actually act a lot alike lol (or posture to act alike)


BTW I doubt they are saying the equivalent as they talk in that crazy monkey talk of theirs.

BTW I doubt they are saying the equivalent as they talk in that crazy monkey talk of theirs.
You can have equivalency without being identical

You can have equivalency without being identical


Do they have a term for "snowballing" and "anal love beads"?

Do they have a term for "snowballing" and "anal love beads"?
They might … or they like English can borrow from other languages when they need or want another term for something

by people who claim to be Christians. (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0524-09.htm)

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/images/0524-02.jpg



For what's right? Whatever happened to the golden rule? Whatever happened to empathy? For that matter, does Lovelace (I refuse to call him "reverend") think that this is a good proselytizing tactic?

I swear, if Jesus was around today, he'd be going around to most of these churches and pimp-slapping the hell out of a lot of people. I imagine the word "Pharisee" would be tossed around a lot as well.

But there's really two points I want to make here. One--if you honestly think the Newsweek article caused riots in Iraq and Afghanistan (then you're a moron, but whatever), then how do you think this is going to improve the situation? Two--if you're a christian, and you see this, do you really wonder why atheists sneer at you? Sure, this isn't representative, but I haven't seen "christian" leaders exactly falling over themselves to condemn it.

I still dont see how you can call that unchristian because if Jesus was around today he'd pimp slap the fuck out of all those Islamic Fuckers because his father did say in the Ten Commandments for Christ's sake "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me" wich means he is one and only... how can you argue with that? its plain as day in black and white... the commandments can be found in the Book Of Exodus Chapter 20 or 21 im not exactly sure... but i can say.. that Reverend was completely in the right as i would see it... so explain to me how you can mis-read that... if you misread it you obviously need a new set of glasses. because i can tell you right now... ONE god does not me oh God and Allah or God and Muhamed or God and who ever else you wish to insert here... it means God and God Alone... if you disagree with that then may God have mercy on your soul...

EDIT: if it was up to me id change the sign to "Someone Needs to Piss on the Koran then Flush it" thats how much i feel about those people who claim they are doing "Good" by being Islamic and if your offended by that... SHOVE IT But as far as how many atheists scoff at me for that... here's what i say... let em scoff because they'll be the one's in hell i wont... and you may ask me what would i do if i died and found out their wasnt a god... and my answer to you would be... "Well i'd rather be me and be wrong than be you and be wrong." now im done...

I still dont see how you can call that unchristian because if Jesus was around today he'd pimp slap the fuck out of all those Muslims because his father did say in the Ten Commandments for Christ's sake "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me" wich means he is one and only... how can you argue with that? its plain as day in black and white... the commandments can be found in the Book Of Exodus Chapter 20 or 21 im not exactly sure... but i can say.. that Reverend was completely in the right as i would see it... so explain to me how you can mis-read that... if you misread it you obviously need a new set of glasses. because i can tell you right now... ONE god does not me oh God and Allah or God and Muhamed or God and who ever else you wish to insert here... it means God and God Alone... if you disagree with that then may God have mercy on your soul...
You are aware that you are quoting muslim holy scriptures? The books of Moses are in the Koran too.

That's a very good example of what's wrong with modern 'Christianity' - blind disrespectful unilateralism with scanty knowledge of what the bible really says. I hardly think Christ, who commanded his followers to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them THAT THEY MAY BE SONS OF THE HEAVENLY FATHER (so obviously the Christian God approves of this), would *pimp slap the fuckers* (the muslims) as you so eloquently put it. Did he pimp slap the Roman soldiers, the temple guards, the religious authorities, the people who mocked him and spit at him? I thought he said 'Father forgive them for they know not what they do.'

It's disrespect for other cultures and faiths that gives modern Christianity a bad name - the Christian God of the Bible even said to the effect, 'it's because of these people that MY name is blasphemed among the unsaved'. I think some people will be very surprised when the time to FRY comes... as Christ said, "Look, the prostitutes and tax collectors are getting in ahead of you..."

It's times like that when I'm glad I've got no religion.

Cathenia

by people who claim to be Christians.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlin...ges/0524-02.jpg


Quote:
A sign in front of Danieltown Baptist Church, located at 2361 U.S. 221 south reads "The Koran needs to be flushed," and the Rev. Creighton Lovelace , pastor of the church, is not apologizing for the display.

"I believe that it is a statement supporting the word of God and that it (the Bible) is above all and that any other religious book that does not teach Christ as savior and lord as the 66 books of the Bible teaches it, is wrong," said Lovelace. "I knew that whenever we decided to put that sign up that there would be people who wouldn't agree with it, and there would be some that would, and so we just have to stand up for what's right."



For what's right? Whatever happened to the golden rule? Whatever happened to empathy? For that matter, does Lovelace (I refuse to call him "reverend") think that this is a good proselytizing tactic?

I swear, if Jesus was around today, he'd be going around to most of these churches and pimp-slapping the hell out of a lot of people. I imagine the word "Pharisee" would be tossed around a lot as well.

But there's really two points I want to make here. One--if you honestly think the Newsweek article caused riots in Iraq and Afghanistan (then you're a moron, but whatever), then how do you think this is going to improve the situation? Two--if you're a christian, and you see this, do you really wonder why atheists sneer at you? Sure, this isn't representative, but I haven't seen "christian" leaders exactly falling over themselves to condemn it.

Christians are Christians by action, not by word, and because they go to Church. Satan himself goes to Church, doesn't exactly make him a Christian now does it?

Well I cannot represent all Christians when I say this, but I apologize for the actions of that preacher, what is did was wrong and he probably said what he said during a moment of over zealous political-hungry desires.

I also do agree that this is one of the reasons why Athiests have a problem with Christians. Though I'd have to ask all Athiests not to listen to this peacher, due that he doesn't represent all of Christianity. Just like you wouldn't want Christians bashing you all the time for you're creation of the Evolutionary Theory, which helped spawn Nazism which has killed 24 million, or for you're creation of Communism, which has killed 100 million people. While those who spawned these beliefs and followed them do not represent all Athiests, I think you understand what I'm getting at. The actions of a few cannot be taken out on the many.

Hmm, we aren't losing too many yet. They aren't fighting too hard. They are easy to kill. I should know as I was there the first time around at the end of my career, let's just say my grandkids in the backyard are better soldiers then most of "them".

*raises eyebrow*
So you are saying those "terrorists" the USA is fighting in Iraq are in fact pacifists - or at least people not trained in combat, but fighting for their beliefs anyway ?
Fox would probably call you a traitor now for humanising them... and I do wonder at the kind of person that enjoys killing "easy prey".

The greatest thing you can do for your country is fight for her, not puss out and carry a poster.

Well.. we did evolve from animals, so that makes some sense...

Now, why are people claiming Christianity is a tolerant religion ? The Bible says you should destroy the temples and statues "idol worshippers" have erected for their "God". Just like most others, Christianity is a religion of blood, hate and violence. Always was, always will be. But to paraphrase motor city madman:
The greatest thing you can do for your religion is fight for her, not puss out and carry a leaflet.

Well.. we did evolve from animals, so that makes some sense...

Now, why are people claiming Christianity is a tolerant religion ? The Bible says you should destroy the temples and statues "idol worshippers" have erected for their "God". Just like most others, Christianity is a religion of blood, hate and violence. Always was, always will be. But to paraphrase motor city madman:
The greatest thing you can do for your religion is fight for her, not puss out and carry a leaflet.

If you would, could you please tell me where in the Bible you read that. Old or New Testament?

by people who claim to be Christians. (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0524-09.htm)

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/images/0524-02.jpg



For what's right? Whatever happened to the golden rule? Whatever happened to empathy? For that matter, does Lovelace (I refuse to call him "reverend") think that this is a good proselytizing tactic?

Christian: n.
1.One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2.One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.

Your major flaw is that you think being Christian automatically makes you good. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong! Christians these people may actually be, 'good' Christians, well that's where we agree.

by people who claim to be Christians. (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0524-09.htm)

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/images/0524-02.jpg

Over here in Europe we have a term for things like this.

"Only in America."

:rolleyes:

That is why Catholicism reigns supreme.

We have the Pope, Jesus Christ's representative on earth, and do not rely on the Bible as the sole creed.

Over here in Europe we have a term for things like this.

"Only in America."

:rolleyes:


As an American who lived in Europe for a year, I heard this quite often. It seems that whenever the Europeans get a good idea (metric system, schooling system) America takes too long to realize that hey, maybe you're right :eek: *gasp*

I hope we eventually get the message about religion. :headbang:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Jesus advocate turning around, wiping the dust off your feet, and moving on when others don’t accept Christian beliefs. I don’t believe he ever advocated active disdain or disrespect. To the best of my knowledge, the only time he actively engaged others with angry words and actions is when the desecration was within the Jewish church (Remember he was a Jew; it was his faith.) Jesus overturned the moneychangers’ tables and used harsh words. It seems to me that Jesus demonstrated a cold tolerance concerning other faiths and an active confrontation directed at the corrupt of his own.

If you would, could you please tell me where in the Bible you read that. Old or New Testament?

Deuteronomy 12.

Over here in Europe we have a term for things like this.

"Only in America."

:rolleyes:

Indeed. It's no wonder America is getting more and more disliked/hated throughout the world. A few years ago, before the horrible invasion of Iraq, I was pretty much pro-american. But now it's the other way around. Not only because of the Iraq invasion but for the fact that America happily starts wars all over the world even though they're totally incapable of ending them. It's like a big man with a childs intellect but toting around big guns...

I'm convinced american soldiers will be forced to a humiliating retreat from Iraq when civil war breaks out there in the near future. More soldiers and Iraqi civilians will die for nothing. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think so.

Six pages before someone claiming the christian faith denounced the sign and noted--as I did in the original post--that this wasn't mainstream christian thought. In between, we've gotten a couple of "kill 'em alls" (pretty typical for loudmouths hiding behind a keyboard) and one "the media's at fault for publishing the picture). Should I have been surprised at anything else?

Hmm, we aren't losing too many yet. They aren't fighting too hard. They are easy to kill. I should know as I was there the first time around at the end of my career, let's just say my grandkids in the backyard are better soldiers then most of "them".

The greatest thing you can do for your country is fight for her, not puss out and carry a poster.If we're doing such a good job of killing them all, then why are we losing more soldiers now than we did a year ago? If they're not fighting so hard, why is it that US troops control only the Green Zone and they don't even fully control that? And if they're so easy to kill, then why is it that we're having trouble convincing young people to join the army and go do it?

No thanks--I won't go kill innocents just so Bush can strut around and act like he's a badass. He had his chance to go fight, and he pussed out (as you so delightfully put it). At least I've got the courage of my convictions--I'm not fighting in anyone's war.

i have no idea what the hell you're saying, nor do i understand why i should give my father a sandwich.
BLT has bacon (if I am not mistaken), and the other is alcohol, so basically he is saying if your father is a Muslim then give him pork and alcohol. He's being respectful about your father's religion.