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Ok, I started this thread on another forum I belong to and set it up as a poll. So far it's gotten a very good response there. I'm curious as to what people here will say.

Before we get started...just a few clarifications that I feel I should make that caused a bit of confusion on the other forum.

1 - When I say dna proof positive, caught in the act, admitted it, no shadow of a doubt...I mean all at once. There is no possible way to prove they didn't do it.

2 - This poll is asking what you would do if you COULD, not what LEGALLY can be done now.

3 - Punishments are the same for either gender. Doesn't matter if it's male or female.

Ok..on to the situation.

Your Opinion on Child Rapists...the Consequences

Ok, I want to know what people's opinions on what happens to child rapists should be. Now, I don't mean suspected child rapists or anything like that. I'm talking hard evidence, "we-have-the-dna-proof-you-did-it", got caught in the act, they've admitted to it kind. The ones where there is abso-freaking-lutely no possibility of a shadow of a doubt that they are guilty.

And here's why I started that thread:

I just learned last night that my cousin...the next grandkid in the family after me...was raped repeatedly from a time when she was little until she graduated high school a few years ago. The perpetrator.....IT WAS HER UNCLE! Her father's own brother! Her father was killed in a horrible car accident when she was only like...5, I think. Her mother lost custody of her and her brother and sister when they were all little. My grandmother got her brother. Another relative got her sister. Her dad's mother got her.

She only just told our other cousin about a month ago, while she (the other cousin) was pregnant. She didn't want her to tell anyone, but Kristen was so upset that she told my mom because she didn't know what to do, but she wanted this guy put away. The only reason, really, that she came out and told my mom what our cousin said is because this guy recently got kicked out of a volunteer fire company for molesting a little girl. Since this has all happened, we've found out that he's been doing this to a lot of young girls for a long time AND HIS FAMILY HAS KNOWN ABOUT IT! So countless kids and my cousin have been traumatized by this..this...COMPLETE WASTE OF F***ING SKIN and his family have kept their d*** mouths shut! OH MY F***ING GOD! I want to kill them!

See, after my cousin graduated high school, she met this guy during Senior Week in our local beach resort. Well, she never went home. She moved to W. Virginia with him. We all wondered why cause it was just so not like her. Well, now we know. She did it to escape. And her fiance (yes, they are engaged) is so sweet. He gives her everything. His family love her to death. They give her everything. So I'm happy she's happy there, but now she found out about him getting caught, so she called him and told him he either gets help himself, or she's prosecuting him for every rape he committed on her. My mother says we're going to make her do it anyway because he needs to be put away for life. She just doesn't know about how to approach my cousin yet with out her flipping out.

I'm just so....so....God. I don't know what to think. I mean, I want to hunt this guy down and torture his a**. I mean...drag it out for days and days. Does that make me just as bad? I mean...she was my best friend growing up, and I never knew. It just pisses me off to no end. God, I want to see this bastard pay.

Ok people. What say you?

There is no evidence to show that they can be "cured". I say we give them life with no parole.

There's no reforming these people - why do we need them? Lethal injection would put an end to the problem from that particular source, at least.

Other - I don't support either physical punishment or imprisonment without possibility of release but instead I believe that in a progressive society the focus must always be on rehabilitation and not punishment for all criminals no matter how severe their offences.

There is no evidence to show that they can be "cured". I say we give them life with no parole.
Which, interestingly enough, is the same reason I advocate execution.

To the starter of this thread: I'm deeply, deepy sorry you had to go through what it's obvious you've been through. ( HUG )

I'm all for therapy for people who feel an attraction to children, but once you have made the decision and acted on it to ruin a child's mind (trauma) and possibly their physical health I fully support execution.

Which, interestingly enough, is the same reason I advocate execution.

To the starter of this thread: I'm deeply, deepy sorry you had to go through what it's obvious you've been through. ( HUG )
I'm just mildly opposed to the death penalty so I don't advocate capital punishment.

What should child rapists get for doing so?

They should not.



Exist.



~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

For those who confess or are found 100% guilty beyond any reasonable doubt- remove their reproductive equipment while they are awaiting their execution.

Its all bullshit. Parole,satellite GPS-all a waste of time. They cannot be rehabilitated or reformed. They do their time and are released-and shortly after strike again. Sometimes they are caught,sometimes they arent. Does my kid have to be victimized too before we learn they need to be irradicated? This isnt baseball-it should be one strike and you're gone.

i would personally have the criminal bastard dangled by his/her genitalia by a nilon rope above a pit various rusty hooks and barbs a foot deep in mirky salt water, and given a knife. They either end the incredible pain their in by cutting the rope, or they try to hold out. They are promised freedom if they hold out for one day, and in the morning the pit is covered, they are cut down and taken outside.

outside, they are given a big cage and barely enough food to survive, and are periodically shot in the hands and feet. After up to a month in these justified conditions, they are laid out with a door on top of them. Kindling, stones, coal and heavy wood is piled on top until they are almost crushed, then the whole thing is set alight. It should take around an hour to burn to death, whereby the head is removed and crushed, proving death beyond doubt. The charred body would then be hung by hooks on the wall of a therapists office, being a sign of warning to any who feel attractions towards children that have been sent for councelling.

I admit, the amount of people that own up to it would greatly drop, but i guarentee that the crime would almost completely stop. As a little extra, to make a further example of them to would-be child rapists, some multiple offenders should be first hung over an empty pit in the manner described above, and every time they drop they would be strung up again. In the cage there would be children given cattle-prods (electric and heated) waving them through the bars, with a rope tied around the victims nect so parents can pull him towards the children. As for the burning, kettles full of boiling hot water will be poured onto their face every now and then, and the door will only be over their feet, not causing death. Then they will be electricuted with the highest non-lethal shock possible, ad eventually thrown into a giant frying pan, knee deep in burning oil (if they can still stand).

you're going too easy on them, i hear you cry, well in that case, instead of the burning they will be dropped in a pit of human and animal faeces churned up into a thick liquid. Petrol will be poured over the top so it floats, and set alight so their options are to remain submerged in shit, or burn to death ever so slowly. The shit used is too moist to catch fire, and if they survive the process will continue from the electricuting and the frying pan (my personal favourite)

I admit, the amount of people that own up to it would greatly drop, but i guarentee that the crime would almost completely stop.

No it wouldn't, and you are very naive to think it would.

As they are people who cannot even be remotely called civilised, the only things the court should do is inform them that they have forfeited all rights they acquire from participation within our civilisation. Therefore, once the court session has ended, they will have rights roughly equal to a bacterium.

From that point, I feel the victims family, friends and indeed any interested parties who need, say, human guinea pigs, will deal with the problem.

it obviously would drop, as they would deny it against any evidence possible if that was awaiting them.

I am physically repelled by the idea of harming children, especially sexual abuse, and for what it's worth you have my deepest sympathy. Even as a pacifist my gut reaction tends to involve a heavy stick and a whole lot of swinging.

That being said, however, I don't believe going with my gut reaction is the way to go. Here's the thing-I'm more interested in protecting the children and preventing this from happening than in taking revenge. Child molesters face possible consiquences such as the 'stick solution' knowingly-they still do it because they are sick in the head (and not euphomistically). We could publicly draw and quarter child molesters and there would still be child molesters. Deterants don't deter and 'revenge' doesn't undo damage.

We need to understand where that short circuit is, how the fuck they got to that point. I would agree that to a certain point they've become non-functional/compliable with society, but if we get to the core of that short circuit maybe we can reduce the times that it happens. When we have an admited sex offender (and if you execute confessed sex offenders you will get no confessed sex offenders. And the problem is 100% is rarely achieved but can be percieved if you want to see it there...) we have an oportunity to find what switch got thrown that shouldn't. I don't know, I can't even concieve of knowing or understanding. I can't even be comfortable with the thought. But if we are going to protect the children, someone is going to have to figure it out. No easy way out, I'm afraid.

it obviously would drop, as they would deny it against any evidence possible if that was awaiting them.

Okay, dumbass, because that is the same as occurrences of the crime dropping off.

But just to check, you do understand that the above line is sarcastic, and I actually mean:

Are you fucking retarded? They say they didn't do it, so the crime never happened! What the fuck are you on about!

get it right, i said that the criminal would not admit to doing it, even if they were proven beyond a doubt. so they would be punnished anyway.

be honest, would you admit to a crime if a punnishment like that was there if you were found guilty? if you say yes then you must be the retarded one here

get it right, i said that the criminal would not admit to doing it, even if they were proven beyond a doubt. so they would be punnished anyway.

be honest, would you admit to a crime if a punnishment like that was there if you were found guilty? if you say yes then you must be the retarded one here

Excuse me?

You said this:

the crime would almost completely stop.

Well done, brains.

Oh, and in case you didn't realise, you can be found guilty withut pleading guilty. Just to check that you were aware of this.

And also, how many child rapists admit to their crime now, do you think? Maybe that is what the queue outside the police station this afternoon was for......

Once it is ascertained that they did it, beyond any doubts, termination, waste of money to keep them imprisoned for life.

And also, how many child rapists admit to their crime now, do you think? Maybe that is what the queue outside the police station this afternoon was for......

Ummmmm

John Evander Couey, 46, confessed to kidnapping and killing Jessica after taking a lie-detector test Friday, Citrus County Sheriff Jeff Dawsy said.

"At the end of the polygraph, he said, 'You don't have to tell me the results. I know what they are,'" Dawsy said. "He apologized to the investigators for wasting their time."
http://news.neilrogers.com/news/articles/2005031901.html

Many that are caught in the act have said "Ok, yeah, so I did it." The death penalty is still an option even if they admit it.

get it right, i said that the criminal would not admit to doing it, even if they were proven beyond a doubt. so they would be punnished anyway.

guess who said that. me. you know because you quoted it and it reinforced my point. read it again. done? they would be punnished anyway

the crime would stop not because they are saying they didnt do it and therefore not getting caught, but by them being so scared shitless of what would happen so they keep themselves to themselves.

are you so freaking stupid that you do not understand my simple simple statement about what i have highlighted for you two more times.

i would appreciate it if you shut up about something you misread or didnt understand. I normally word my posts so they are suitable for most people of most ages, but in your case, i shall translate my first post.

if they are guilty (look it up if you're still unsure) then the bad bad people are hurt lots so other people dont do those bad things. if they did the bad thing more than once then they will get even more hurt.

now you can have your normal story about the happy dinosaur


dumbass


EDIT: thankyou so much Stella Parvis for helping prove my point.

I am physically repelled by the idea of harming children, especially sexual abuse, and for what it's worth you have my deepest sympathy. Even as a pacifist my gut reaction tends to involve a heavy stick and a whole lot of swinging.

That being said, however, I don't believe going with my gut reaction is the way to go. Here's the thing-I'm more interested in protecting the children and preventing this from happening than in taking revenge. Child molesters face possible consiquences such as the 'stick solution' knowingly-they still do it because they are sick in the head (and not euphomistically). We could publicly draw and quarter child molesters and there would still be child molesters. Deterants don't deter and 'revenge' doesn't undo damage.

We need to understand where that short circuit is, how the fuck they got to that point. I would agree that to a certain point they've become non-functional/compliable with society, but if we get to the core of that short circuit maybe we can reduce the times that it happens. When we have an admited sex offender (and if you execute confessed sex offenders you will get no confessed sex offenders. And the problem is 100% is rarely achieved but can be percieved if you want to see it there...) we have an oportunity to find what switch got thrown that shouldn't. I don't know, I can't even concieve of knowing or understanding. I can't even be comfortable with the thought. But if we are going to protect the children, someone is going to have to figure it out. No easy way out, I'm afraid.


I agree completely. It's already really illegal *as opposed to making it a little illegal*, and it still happens. Making it more illegal won't stop anything. Problems, like all difficulties, need to be treated at the source, and not the symptoms, which should be dealt with as they happen, but not as the whole solution.

Threads like these always make me sick to my stomach to be a member of the human race.

Threads like these always make me sick to my stomach to be a member of the human race.

No disagreements on that point. The line: Kill all humans springs to mind :mp5:

I voted for the combo. Put him in prison for life, with more than one ass-hungry cell mate.(names don't matter) :) Then cut his dick off and feed it to him.

Ummmmm


Quote:
John Evander Couey, 46, confessed to kidnapping and killing Jessica after taking a lie-detector test Friday, Citrus County Sheriff Jeff Dawsy said.

"At the end of the polygraph, he said, 'You don't have to tell me the results. I know what they are,'" Dawsy said. "He apologized to the investigators for wasting their time."
http://news.neilrogers.com/news/art...2005031901.html



Many that are caught in the act have said "Ok, yeah, so I did it." The death penalty is still an option even if they admit it.

Caught in the act and they owned up? Found out by a lie detector and he owned up? Fucking hell, whatever next? Is that meant to be a surprise? I'm wondering how many child rapists own up of their own volition. Owning up or not will change nothing in the two cases you quoted.

guess who said that. me. you know because you quoted it and it reinforced my point. read it again. done? they would be punnished anyway

the crime would stop not because they are saying they didnt do it and therefore not getting caught, but by them being so scared shitless of what would happen so they keep themselves to themselves.

are you so freaking stupid that you do not understand my simple simple statement about what i have highlighted for you two more times.

i would appreciate it if you shut up about something you misread or didnt understand. I normally word my posts so they are suitable for most people of most ages, but in your case, i shall translate my first post.

if they are guilty (look it up if you're still unsure) then the bad bad people are hurt lots so other people dont do those bad things. if they did the bad thing more than once then they will get even more hurt.

now you can have your normal story about the happy dinosaur


dumbass


EDIT: thankyou so much Stella Parvis for helping prove my point.

Happy...dinosaur? What in the name of Jesus fucking Christ are you cacking on about?

Dumbass

Do you know what happens to child rapists in prison? They are the lowest rung of the ladder, eating, sleeping and breathing in fear. Nothing you can do can exceed the knowledge that they could well be brutally murdered.

Patronising me acheived nothing. You serve only to make yourself appear to be an arrogant wankstain with nothing better to do.

How do you propose to make them "even more hurt"? They would be dead.

And for your nasty, psychotic, violent tendencies, you are every bit as in need of psychological help as anty child rapist. Grow the fuck up, you disgusting little piece of human waste.

and BTW, learn to spell "punished" and "thank you", and the correct use of commas in lists.

I am physically repelled by the idea of harming children, especially sexual abuse, and for what it's worth you have my deepest sympathy. Even as a pacifist my gut reaction tends to involve a heavy stick and a whole lot of swinging.

That being said, however, I don't believe going with my gut reaction is the way to go. Here's the thing-I'm more interested in protecting the children and preventing this from happening than in taking revenge. Child molesters face possible consiquences such as the 'stick solution' knowingly-they still do it because they are sick in the head (and not euphomistically). We could publicly draw and quarter child molesters and there would still be child molesters. Deterants don't deter and 'revenge' doesn't undo damage.

We need to understand where that short circuit is, how the fuck they got to that point. I would agree that to a certain point they've become non-functional/compliable with society, but if we get to the core of that short circuit maybe we can reduce the times that it happens. When we have an admited sex offender (and if you execute confessed sex offenders you will get no confessed sex offenders. And the problem is 100% is rarely achieved but can be percieved if you want to see it there...) we have an oportunity to find what switch got thrown that shouldn't. I don't know, I can't even concieve of knowing or understanding. I can't even be comfortable with the thought. But if we are going to protect the children, someone is going to have to figure it out. No easy way out, I'm afraid.

I admit a few people are generally disturbed that do this. But many, MANY more do it for the power trip it gives them. They know it's wrong, but they still do it. There is nothing wrong in their heads. That's not mentally deficient. That's "Hey, I know it wrong, and if I get caught I'll be in serious trouble, but I want to do it and don't think I'll get caught so I'm going to do it anyway."

The person that did this to my cousin has nothing wrong with him. He's completely sane. He's been sane for years....all the years he's been doing this to my cousin and other little girls. There's no rehabilitating him. I don't think 20+ years of child abuse and molestation and rape is going to be curbed with a little therapy. Personally, I could put a gun to his head and pull the trigger and not lose any sleep.

EDIT: thankyou so much Stella Parvis for helping prove my point.

You're welcome.

Caught in the act and they owned up? Found out by a lie detector and he owned up? F***ing hell, whatever next? Is that meant to be a surprise? I'm wondering how many child rapists own up of their own volition. Owning up or not will change nothing in the two cases you quoted.



Happy...dinosaur? What in the name of Jesus f***ing Christ are you cacking on about?

D******

Do you know what happens to child rapists in prison? They are the lowest rung of the ladder, eating, sleeping and breathing in fear. Nothing you can do can exceed the knowledge that they could well be brutally murdered.

Patronising me acheived nothing. You serve only to make yourself appear to be an arrogant wankstain with nothing better to do.

How do you propose to make them "even more hurt"? They would be dead.

And for your nasty, psychotic, violent tendencies, you are every bit as in need of psychological help as anty child rapist. Grow the f*** up, you disgusting little piece of human waste.

and BTW, learn to spell "punished" and "thank you", and the correct use of commas in lists.

Their mispelling of the word punished is worse than your constant ignoring the rule "i before e except after c" and multiple instances of using the word "fuck"?

(See how stupid that sounds?)

Grow up.

Thank you for being my first "Bad Post" report and the 3rd person added to my ignore list.

I admit a few people are generally disturbed that do this. But many, MANY more do it for the power trip it gives them. They know it's wrong, but they still do it. There is nothing wrong in their heads. That's not mentally deficient. That's "Hey, I know it wrong, and if I get caught I'll be in serious trouble, but I want to do it and don't think I'll get caught so I'm going to do it anyway."

The person that did this to my cousin has nothing wrong with him. He's completely sane. He's been sane for years....all the years he's been doing this to my cousin and other little girls. There's no rehabilitating him. I don't think 20+ years of child abuse and molestation and rape is going to be curbed with a little therapy. Personally, I could put a gun to his head and pull the trigger and not lose any sleep.



You're welcome.
He is clearly not sane, he has a habitual problem. Insanity isn't going to be signified by drooling and wearing his underwear on his head. It's that one switch that isn't set right.

And you touched on why deterant punishment doesn't work-he knew he was facing it and did what he did anyway.

Further, you misundertood what I was saying. We need to understand what set his switch off. You're only going to do that when you have someone with that switch set. Killing your uncle won't unmolest your cousin, nor will it prevent anyone else from molestation. The solution has to be looked for far further down the line, not after the fact.

Killing and life imprisiment is too harsh do to the fact that the rapist has killed/mortally wounded someone and life imprisiment/death would kill a life with out a first loss of life.
Casteration is cruel and unusual do to the fact that it can be considered torture.
I say imprisiment for a number of years=to the value of the crime, and therapy.

Their mispelling of the word punished is worse than your constant ignoring the rule "i before e except after c" and multiple instances of using the word "fuck"?

(See how stupid that sounds?)

Grow up.

Thank you for being my first "Bad Post" report and the 3rd person added to my ignore list.

Wankstain is also an expletive. Didn't remove that, did you?

And it's my pleasure. ;)

And by your own admission, "fuck" is a word. Not the most creative around, admittedly, but I am using it correctly, and, therefore, this is an irrelevant point.

Where are the multiple instances of me not following the "i before e" rule? I can only see one.

He is clearly not sane, he has a habitual problem. Insanity isn't going to be signified by drooling and wearing his underwear on his head. It's that one switch that isn't set right.

And you touched on why deterant punishment doesn't work-he knew he was facing it and did what he did anyway.

Further, you misundertood what I was saying. We need to understand what set his switch off. You're only going to do that when you have someone with that switch set. Killing your uncle won't unmolest your cousin, nor will it prevent anyone else from molestation. The solution has to be looked for far further down the line, not after the fact.

Not my uncle. Not related to me.

No, it won't change what happened to my cousin and countless other little girls he's traumatized. But it WILL keep him from doing it to another little girl.

Recidivism is extremely high among child molesters; 75% are convicted more than once for sexually abusing young people.

I'm sorry, but regardless of what happened to make them this way...do you want to take the 25% chance that they won't commit again? What if he was moving into your neighborhood? Would you bank on therapy having cured him? If you would, you're more forgiving than I am.

just read the title if I could do anything I would get a Bentley.

Killing and life imprisiment is too harsh do to the fact that the rapist has killed/mortally wounded someone and life imprisiment/death would kill a life with out a first loss of life.
Casteration is cruel and unusual do to the fact that it can be considered torture.
I say imprisiment for a number of years=to the value of the crime, and therapy.

Read thread starter....

This is not what we can do now legally...it's what we would do IF WE COULD.

Read thread starter....

This is not what we can do now legally...it's what we would do IF WE COULD.

What I would do is just ignore it, maybe give them a tatoo saying that they are/once were a rapist.

This is not what we can do now legally...it's what we would do IF WE COULD.
oh, if we could, ah, forget an electric chair, putting them in a chamber with some VX gas would be quite nice.

I voted option 1, but no. 2 was tempting. Fuck, I'll go for #2.

Men that do this are ill, and a large proportion were abused themselves.

We need to stop the cycle of abuse.

They must be immediately removed to somewhere secure, where they cannot harm children while they are given intense therapy.

The victims should also be given therapy, to help them come to terms with it and ensure they don't repeat the acts themselves.

Not my uncle. Not related to me.

No, it won't change what happened to my cousin and countless other little girls he's traumatized. But it WILL keep him from doing it to another little girl.



I'm sorry, but regardless of what happened to make them this way...do you want to take the 25% chance that they won't commit again? What if he was moving into your neighborhood? Would you bank on therapy having cured him? If you would, you're more forgiving than I am.
You're not paying attention. That is still an 'after the fact' sollution and not what I'm advocating.

These people are sick,twisted,perverted spawns of satin and they should all BURN IN HELL!!!! we might as well get them there quicker. :mp5:

You're not paying attention. That is still an 'after the fact' sollution and not what I'm advocating.

Ok, but that's not what I was asking when I made the first post. I'll agree something needs to be done to prevent it, but I don't see it happening. People are too good at hiding their deep dark secrets, and how many do you think will honestly come forward and say they need help?

No, what I'm asking is after these people, particularly like the one that raped my cousin...this occured for about 15 years...have been caught, what would people do...again...if they could.

hey, SP, I've TG'd you

Ok, but that's not what I was asking when I made the first post. I'll agree something needs to be done to prevent it, but I don't see it happening. People are too good at hiding their deep dark secrets, and how many do you think will honestly come forward and say they need help?

No, what I'm asking is after these people, particularly like the one that raped my cousin...this occured for about 15 years...have been caught, what would people do...again...if they could.
You asked what would I do if I could. I would look at a way of preventing it from happening in the first place. I'm far more concerned for the victims than I am in revenge fantasies.

as I said, many of these people were abused themselves. Killing them will not stop the abuse.

We need to remove the stigma for victims of abuse and work with families to break the cycle, it's the only way.

just read the title if I could do anything I would get a Bentley.
I'd punch a chimpanzee. Those little bastards just irritate me.

How about locking them up in a lab and doing experiments on them until we find out what's wrong with them? We could be like the evil Nazi scientists, only working for good. We could totally forget that these people are human beings ... turn them into guinea pigs or the like ... save the rest of humanity by discovering the gene or switch or short circuit and fix it in everybody ever born ... never find out what environmental issues contribute to this ...

Evil people are still people. Or do we leave our humanity at the door and pick up insanity and revenge and become like the people we scorn?

How about locking them up in a lab and doing experiments on them until we find out what's wrong with them? We could be like the evil Nazi scientists, only working for good. We could totally forget that these people are human beings ... turn them into guinea pigs or the like ... save the rest of humanity by discovering the gene or switch or short circuit and fix it in everybody ever born ... never find out what environmental issues contribute to this ...

Evil people are still people. Or do we leave our humanity at the door and pick up insanity and revenge and become like the people we scorn?
You know, thats not what I was saying either. I wasn't proposing crazy lab experiment/gene therapy. Kee-rist.

You abuse it you lose it, period. Cut it off.

Pacifist Globalist Libertarian Democratic Socialist.
May I ask just what the hell this means? :confused:

Yaga-Shura-Feild, you are now being completely ignored by me and others, so i dont suggest you post again. After being repeatedly proven wrong, you persist, and i am not willing to get banned from another forum today for flaming people who just dont shut up.

My use of commas is by any standards acceptable, and its obvious you're just scraping the barrel now. The word dumbass has been thrown around a little too much, and you misreading something and unwilling to admit that you're wrong is pissing me off. dont expect any more post from me on this thread, i've cast my vote and made my contribution. grow up.

Choice #2 with solitary confinement and a therapy. Bubba only comes to visit in the shower room...

hmm..this is a tough one...on the one hand people say that they should be strung up or killed because they cannot be cured. I agree with the notion that they cannot be cured (because they do not have a disease, it is a mentality). However, I disagree with the idea that they should be strung up or killed, for a few reasons. Firstly, I am against the death penality for anything (thats another argument which I'm not going to go into here; this is just my opinion).

Secondly, it is often the case that paedophiles and the like were abused (sexually or physcially) themselves as a child; they are following, perhaps, the only life they have known. It is sad, but they should not be killed because someone else fucked up their life. Personally I would lock them up (probably in solitary for their own safety...even then the guards could and would get to them), for life. It is people like Jonathon King who sicken me, those who not only commit these acts but are proud of it and flaunt it in front of the media. bastard.

I like option #3 the most.

I favor option #2, because I don't think that the others aren't as ineffective.

Option 1 is a bad idea, because I believe pedophiles should ever be released into the public for the simple reason that I don't think they can be rehabilitated.

Option 3 (castration) wouldn't be effective because child rape isn't completely about sex, but also about feeling powerful from victimizing someone weaker. A castrated pedophile might still commit non-sexual violent crimes towards children.

I also think that simply killing pedophiles isn't enough.
When someone commits a crime that will affect the victims for the rest of their lives, they should suffer the consequences for what they've done for the rest of their natural lives also. Dying is just a way for them to avoid suffering.

ya ya ya all those "i can think up a punishment worse than your" things that either will never be done because they are cruel and unusual punishment or never be done because no jury will vote to convict a man of the crime when the punishment is so extreme....

but the more interesting question is

what should be done to those family members who KNEW what he was doing and did nothing to stop it? arent they aiding and abetting? accessories after the fact? arent they guilty of something too?

what should their punishment be?

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but now she found out about him getting caught, so she called him and told him he either gets help himself, or she's prosecuting him for every rape he committed on her.
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I think that if Stella Parvis's friend is brave enough to feel like this (and God knows she's got every right hate the guy) then maybe we could all be a little more mature and a little less reactionary?

ya ya ya all those "i can think up a punishment worse than your" things that either will never be done because they are cruel and unusual punishment or never be done because no jury will vote to convict a man of the crime when the punishment is so extreme....

but the more interesting question is

what should be done to those family members who KNEW what he was doing and did nothing to stop it? arent they aiding and abetting? accessories after the fact? arent they guilty of something too?

what should their punishment be?

I've already said to others on another forum that I want the family locked up too. I may have said it here as well, I can't remember. But as far as the cruel punishments...I wanted peoples' honest opinions on what they WOULD do IF THEY COULD. So it's not people trying to out-think others most evil punishments...it's more "if it was your daughter, niece, aunt, etc." what would YOU do to them.

I think that if Stella Parvis's friend is brave enough to feel like this (and God knows she's got every right hate the guy) then maybe we could all be a little more mature and a little less reactionary?

Not friend...cousin, closer than friend. She was one of my constant companions during the time this going on. I didn't know...no one on my side of the family did. Her father's side of the family...the perpetrators side...knew and did nothing.

But what I want to know, if they are guilty, what would people do if they could. I don't believe they should be allowed back into society because statisically 3 out of 4 repeat and are convicted again.

I preferre a 3 strike system.

1st offense, Counciling and help. (with jail time of course)

2nd offense, Long term Jail time with Lifers. (don't know about you, but I've heard stories that Perpertrators of Crimes against Children have a harder time in Jail for the Hardened criminals Hate those things, don't know if they're true or not. )

3rd offense, Getting the Offender "Fixed" (in the Vetenary sense) or execution. their choice.

4th offense, Execution. if they still offend without the "Equiptment" then they've proven that they are too sick to allow to live.

I prefer castration and a lifetime of enslavement for child rapists.

I preferre a 3 strike system.

Why wait until they've ruined three lives before taking firm action?

I don't have kids; if I did, however, I know that if some pedophile moved next door to me, I wouldn't worry for them any less because the man was on the "three strike system."

Why wait until they've ruined three lives before taking firm action?

I don't have kids; if I did, however, I know that if some pedophile moved next door to me, I wouldn't worry for them any less because the man was on the "three strike system."true, but some (stress Some) do need help and when they get it, they do strive to better themselves.

the second attempt to give the Hard Core prisoners a Toy to play with. Most of the time, that does scare alot of em straight. (pun intended) the last is their final attempt to either fit in or check out.

after that, well we gave em three tries...

and it's to satisfy those who say that all they need is Help.

Very long prison sentences. I wouldn't totally rule out the possibility of parole, but only after their really old, or if a qualified psychologist deems them no threat.(still after most of sentence is served) Minimum sentences of life for violent offenders. Treatment should be attempted, though it's of dubious value.
I don't believe in the death penalty, but these people should be prevented from causing more harm.

i would personally have the criminal bastard dangled by his/her genitalia by a nilon rope above a pit various rusty hooks and barbs a foot deep in mirky salt water, and given a knife. They either end the incredible pain their in by cutting the rope, or they try to hold out. They are promised freedom if they hold out for one day, and in the morning the pit is covered, they are cut down and taken outside.

outside, they are given a big cage and barely enough food to survive, and are periodically shot in the hands and feet. After up to a month in these justified conditions, they are laid out with a door on top of them. Kindling, stones, coal and heavy wood is piled on top until they are almost crushed, then the whole thing is set alight. It should take around an hour to burn to death, whereby the head is removed and crushed, proving death beyond doubt. The charred body would then be hung by hooks on the wall of a therapists office, being a sign of warning to any who feel attractions towards children that have been sent for councelling.

I admit, the amount of people that own up to it would greatly drop, but i guarentee that the crime would almost completely stop. As a little extra, to make a further example of them to would-be child rapists, some multiple offenders should be first hung over an empty pit in the manner described above, and every time they drop they would be strung up again. In the cage there would be children given cattle-prods (electric and heated) waving them through the bars, with a rope tied around the victims nect so parents can pull him towards the children. As for the burning, kettles full of boiling hot water will be poured onto their face every now and then, and the door will only be over their feet, not causing death. Then they will be electricuted with the highest non-lethal shock possible, ad eventually thrown into a giant frying pan, knee deep in burning oil (if they can still stand).

you're going too easy on them, i hear you cry, well in that case, instead of the burning they will be dropped in a pit of human and animal faeces churned up into a thick liquid. Petrol will be poured over the top so it floats, and set alight so their options are to remain submerged in shit, or burn to death ever so slowly. The shit used is too moist to catch fire, and if they survive the process will continue from the electricuting and the frying pan (my personal favourite)You have one very screwed up imagination. I mean borderline psychotic. You need help. No matter what you do, you are still a human being. There is a difference between justice, and Sadism. You obviously are not aware of this.

They should be taken to a crowded street center and shot!

I don't understand how any of you can think that he's NOT insane (mentally ill). You really think that a sane person would do something like that?

I'm with Cannot think of a name (?) with this.

But my dark side would like to add something on it. If the person would ever get out of jail, there should be some kind of medical backup that he just could not do anything like that again. Drugs maybe. (back to prison, if he wouldn't take the pills)

I admit a few people are generally disturbed that do this. But many, MANY more do it for the power trip it gives them. They know it's wrong, but they still do it. There is nothing wrong in their heads. That's not mentally deficient. That's "Hey, I know it wrong, and if I get caught I'll be in serious trouble, but I want to do it and don't think I'll get caught so I'm going to do it anyway."
I thought most child molesters don't understand that what they are doing is wrong. I voted 1, although molesting children is one of the most horrible things a person can do I don't think revenge will do any good. It's better to try to understand why they are doing it and try to solve the problem from there.

There's a nice tradition from post-war Algeria called the "Torture of the People" where they would tie the person up in a public place, and people would line up to punch him, put out cigarettes on his skin/face, etc. Each person was allowed one blow and the thing was monitored so that the subject would not die before a few days of this treatment.

Seriously though, child molestors, most of the time, are insane and insanity is something you suffer from. Like all evildoers what they really need is help and a lot of love. However, it's not society's job to provide that, so we just put them in Crime Universities (a.k.a. prisons) so that they can be nasty enough that we just put them out.

Dammit, I've gone and slipped into sarcasm again.

What were we talking about?

Oh yeah, child molestors. Well, we've got a judicial system, and it should be done on a case by case review: if they're responsible for their actions they should suffer the full legal consequences, and if they're not, well, lock them up in a padded cell instead of a barred one. As far as possibility of parole, well... Let's not start by letting them return to their job as Scout instructor.

Not all rapes are created equal. This is not a simple black/white issue. Take for instance Mary Kay Letourneau. This is a case of statutory rape wherein the issue centers around the fact that minors aren't legally able to consent to sex. While most cases where there's such a large age discrepancy show that there's some degree of a predation in the relationship (ie: pedophilia), this was definately not so because the woman wound up marrying the boy she was involved with after she got out of prison (he's 22, she's 45). If she were a pedophile, she'd have been busy combing around for another 13 y/o boy.

(Aside: Really, how many 13 y/o boys wouldn't dream of boning their teacher if she were hot?)

Were the genders reversed, I'd say the same thing should apply. The key issue would be whether or not anyone overseeing the case can set aside the obvious mental double standard. Men are more predatory by nature, so they're going to have a much rougher time trying to conclusively prove that their's is a genuine emotional bond completely unrelated to pedophilial tendencies.

Really weird exceptions aside, I'd recommend nothing less than chemical neutering + prison time or lethal injection depending on how abusive the act was.

The children must come first. No expense should be spared in councelling. After all, a high percentage of abused become abusers, as has been said.
That brings us to the rapist. For the sake of argument, I'm considering them all men. They cannot be normal, that's obvious to anyone. They may well have been abused and / or mentally sick. What I would like to see is a prison or prisons built specifically for such men. I believe they should receive a life sentence as standard but with the possibility of release if they are able, over the years, to satisfy both professional and lay 'release boards'. During their incarceration they should receive psychiatric treatment, councelling and medical castration. The castration would automatically 'cure' some and the remainder would be on the way to some sort of rehabilitation. Release, after the standards above are applied and met, would be initially into an 'open' prison with a minimum of say, five years.
One more thing, the 'hang 'em high' bunch should bear in mind that the victim is often far less vindictive than their family (whos outrage and blood-lust is understandable) and feel a huge burden of guilt at the punishment meted out. This may sound odd but considering the emotional damage already done, we should try and understand it. If they know that the abuser is receiving 'treatment' and not just punishment, that is one less cross for them to bear.

Men that do this are ill, and a large proportion were abused themselves.
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Women do it too. And could you please supply a study to show that they were abused?

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what should be done to those family members who KNEW what he was doing and did nothing to stop it? arent they aiding and abetting? accessories after the fact? arent they guilty of something too?

what should their punishment be?
15-20 years. If it can be proved that they knew and did nothing.

I don't understand how any of you can think that he's NOT insane (mentally ill). You really think that a sane person would do something like that?
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Yes. Most terrible things are done by people who are perfectly normal except for that one thing.
I know, I know, it makes it easier to try and pretend that there is something abnormal about these people. That there is just something 'wrong' with them that makes them different and that most people would never and could never do what they have done. You know what? That's crap. Given the right stimulus anyone could do terrible things if they allow themselves to!

As regards getting prisoners to abuse them, if society does not have the backbone to deal with these people itself, it should not ask those outside of society's norms to do it for them.

I put a combination.
Firstly castration, this is not a punishment but a preventative cure. Without hormones the impulse just wouldn't be there.
Secondly, imprisonment, related to the seriousness of the offence.
Thirdly, counselling. You have to make sure the perpetrator understands the seriousness of the offence and has repented and won't re-offend. Without this they stay locked up.

Of course the specific case in question will have a lot do with the seriousness of the punishment.

We can all understand the serious cases that should have punishments, but then theres the cases where: -

Teenage girl has drunken sex, regrets it later and cries rape. I know a thirteen year old who looks 18 and gets in pubs.
Teenage schoolboy seduced by female teacher. A favourite fantasy of mine when I was 13. Ahh Ms Whittaker.

I voted for castration. Without hormones, rapists would not be held prisoners of their own primitive urges any longer...

And it won't be cruel as long as they were administered anaestic. :p

I put a combination.
Firstly castration, this is not a punishment but a preventative cure. Without hormones the impulse just wouldn't be there.
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I voted for castration. Without hormones, rapists would not be held prisoners of their own primitive urges any longer...

And it won't be cruel as long as they were administered anaestic.
Eunuchs are still capable of sexual function.
And you are assuming it is a crime of sexual lust. What if it's a crime of power, like rape? Then castration would actually make things worse as they have more to prove to experience that power rush.

... and no, I´m not a socialist leftwing idiot.
I´d say, every one should have the chance (in case of child abuse, exactly ONE) to get back into society.
So, in case of rape alone (i.e. not murdering -- I know, as if that wasn´t bad enough) a couple of years prison/therapy, and then a one-time chance to do it right.
One other single incident: Lock the person and throw away the keys.
Matt

Yes. Most terrible things are done by people who are perfectly normal except for that one thing.
I know, I know, it makes it easier to try and pretend that there is something abnormal about these people. That there is just something 'wrong' with them that makes them different and that most people would never and could never do what they have done. You know what? That's crap. Given the right stimulus anyone could do terrible things if they allow themselves to!


That's exactly what makes them abnormal. Mentally ill does not mean that you walk in pyjamas across the town mumbling some nonsense to everyone.

Just like most people who have committed a violent crime have some neurological damage in their frontal lobe. (bad comparison, I admit.) These people allowe themselves to do terrible things much easier than people who do not have any frontal lobe damage. It's seems like the frontal lobe is what makes us humans. Normal people can resist their urges, they can't.

That's exactly what makes them abnormal. Mentally ill does not mean that you walk in pyjamas across the town mumbling some nonsense to everyone.
I know. But saying that anyone who has a single point of non-standard behaviour is mentally ill is too broad a use of the term "mentally ill". By this standard all soldiers are mentally ill, all fetishists are mentally ill. Hell, I could interpret your argument as meaning all homosexuals are mentally ill.
Soldiers go out and kill people, then come home and don't even get in fights. Isn't killing someone worse than this(possibly)? So how come they can do it without becoming dangerous to society?
I'm saying that these people have chosen their behaviour, they didn't have to. They have permitted themselves to sexualise children and then to act on their own conditioning.
The same thing happened to South African torturers. They allowed themselves to do terrible things and they then conditioned themselves such that they were incapable of normal sexual function, they could only achieve sexual release through torture. This was not a switch that got flipped, or something they were born with, this is something they conditioned themselves into being.
Can you honestly say they are mentally ill if they are the architects of their own perversion?


Just like most people who have committed a violent crime have some neurological damage in their frontal lobe. (bad comparison, I admit.) These people allowe themselves to do terrible things much easier than people who do not have any frontal lobe damage. It's seems like the frontal lobe is what makes us humans. Normal people can resist their urges, they can't.
Could you point to some studies to support this as I can't find anything that says "Neurological damage creates violent criminals".
Also, frontal lobotomies(neurological damage to the frontal lobe) pacify violent people, not make them worse.

Could you point to some studies to support this as I can't find anything that says "Neurological damage creates violent criminals".
Also, frontal lobotomies(neurological damage to the frontal lobe) pacify violent people, not make them worse.
There has been quite many studies. The most recent in Sweden showed that 90% of prisoners (who have committed a violent crime) have damages in frontal lobe.

some studies etc. Not all scientist agree on this, so there are critical ones included
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1009486.stm
http://brain.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/5/1383
http://jnnp.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/71/6/720
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/159/9/1615
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p950929.html

Can't find an English site about the study made in Sweden.

I've also seen few documents on BBC and Discovery about this.

To the person I reported for the ignorant post...(obviously you're not important enough for me to remember your name)...

If that was a puppet nation you used to TG me with...it has been reported.

If that is some little buddy of yours you had TG me...thanks for getting them reported.

Grow the hell up and quit acting like a frigging child.

Another nation reported.

Thank you. The MODs were quite happy to receive the information. Keep them coming.