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Who do you think would make a good James Bond?

Kejott
24-05-2005, 04:58
Who would you like to see play the part? I personally think Denzel Washington would be PERFECT! Too bad he's not British though.
Hell in America
24-05-2005, 05:03
I thought that he was black last I checked, so how would he fit the role?
Kejott
24-05-2005, 05:04
I thought that he was black last I checked, so how would he fit the role?

I thought all the James Bonds were all played by different actors, so how did they fit the role?
Gartref
24-05-2005, 05:05
Jack Black
Kejott
24-05-2005, 05:05
Jack Black
haha I had a feeling SOMEBODY was going to say that, and I really have no clue why!
Sdaeriji
24-05-2005, 05:07
Jason Statham.
Gartref
24-05-2005, 05:08
haha I had a feeling SOMEBODY was going to say that, and I really have no clue why!

The weird thing is... The first name that popped into my mind was Denzel Washington. He has enough suave and manliness to pull it off - but has he ever done the accent?
Kejott
24-05-2005, 05:09
The weird thing is... The first name that popped into my mind was Denzel Washington. He has enough suave and manliness to pull it off - but has he ever done the accent?

I've never heard him do a British accent, but he's a fine actor. I bet he could do it. He'd make a kick ASS James Bond.
Cathenia
24-05-2005, 05:13
Much Ado about Nothing somehow comes to mind...

Perhaps not James Bond - I want to see him do HANNIBAL (and I don't mean the cannibal)

Cathenia
Has-Been Comedians
24-05-2005, 05:20
Hmm...I'm thinking...Jude Law. Or George Clooney.
Kejott
24-05-2005, 05:22
Hmm...I'm thinking...Jude Law. Or George Clooney.

Oh god no, anybody but Jude Law. He needs to take a break.
Has-Been Comedians
24-05-2005, 05:25
Oh god no, anybody but Jude Law. He needs to take a break.

True, but he has the cool factor. And he has a way with women. But c'mon. Clooney is a perfect fit.
Kejott
24-05-2005, 05:26
True, but he has the cool factor. And he has a way with women. But c'mon. Clooney is a perfect fit.

I actually don't like Clooney all that much, and I can't see his face matching a British accent. I lost all faith in him when he did Batman And Robin.
Gambloshia
24-05-2005, 05:29
I actually don't like Clooney all that much, and I can't see his face matching a British accent. I lost all faith in him when he did Batman And Robin.

I think everyone did.
Kejott
24-05-2005, 05:30
I think everyone did.

He was just horrible in that. That whole movie was just awful, but I'd rather watch that 100 in a row than The Blair Witch Project once.
Quiltlifter
24-05-2005, 05:34
Never mind the accent. :gundge: In a globalIzed world that means nothing!

Why not Jet Li? I like him in 'The One'.
Kejott
24-05-2005, 05:37
Never mind the accent. :gundge: In a globalIzed world that means nothing!

Why not Jet Li? I like him in 'The One'.

Even though Jet Li is THE man, I don't think he's James Bond material.
The Bear Empire
24-05-2005, 05:44
I'm thinking Whoopie Goldberg would make a fascinating Bond...

:D
Santa Barbara
24-05-2005, 05:50
VIN DIESEL!

Hehe, no, seriously, how about... ORLANDO BLOOM!

Hahahahaha.

Sorry, I can't think of anyone. Denzel would be good, if he could genuinely pull it off - I don't think he could, people would see Denzel and not James Bond. Other good actors could, but are getting too old for the role.

VAL KILMER!

Buahahaha. I can't think of anyone. It's more fun to imagine bad James Bonds.
Kejott
24-05-2005, 05:51
VIN DIESEL!

Hehe, no, seriously, how about... ORLANDO BLOOM!

Hahahahaha.

Sorry, I can't think of anyone. Denzel would be good, if he could genuinely pull it off - I don't think he could, people would see Denzel and not James Bond. Other good actors could, but are getting too old for the role.

VAL KILMER!

Buahahaha. I can't think of anyone. It's more fun to imagine bad James Bonds.

I've got it, the greatest James Bond actor would be.....Danny Devito. Wouldn't that rock? Can you just imagine him calmly walking away from an explosion in slow motion to the james bond music?
New Granada
24-05-2005, 05:52
Pierce Brosnan just needs to keep playing james bond.
Cathenia
24-05-2005, 06:08
Pierce Brosnan just needs to keep playing james bond.

Brosnan did sterling work even with horribly a mismatched director like Michael Apted and the growing pains of the post cold war world. I actually thought it was interesting that Bond didn't 'survive' the opening caper of his last movie (he was captured and tortured by the North Koreans). Quite a change for the normally 'invincible' Bond.

Cathenia
Gartref
24-05-2005, 06:15
How about Paul Bettany??? Handsome. British. Excellent actor.
Cathenia
24-05-2005, 06:28
Seems too... intellectual, not dashing enough. His roles in Knights Tale, Dogville, Master and Commander... hmmm... there's a thought - Ioan Gruffyd. Okay he's Horatio Hornblower but it's both nautical fiction.

Cathenia
Harlesburg
24-05-2005, 06:39
Roger Moore!
He rules i dont know why they didnt get him....
Allers
24-05-2005, 07:07
George W of the jungle, discovering after he crash(once again) against a tree,that it was not an alqaida plot, but rather his own stupidity ;)
Disraeliland
24-05-2005, 10:12
Bloody hell, another Bush hating troll.

The saddest thing is they think they're original and insightful.

Hugh Jackman for Bond!

We Aussies have taken over Hollywood, time for Britain to fall.
Ulrichland
24-05-2005, 10:19
Clive Owen or George Clooney.
Zefielia
24-05-2005, 10:21
They should start making movies where Bond is older (maybe the new leader of MI6?), and bring back Connery...

Sean Connery IS James Bond.

And Allers? Do us all a favor and jump into some industrial equipment.
Cambridge Major
24-05-2005, 10:33
I thought all the James Bonds were all played by different actors, so how did they fit the role?
A black bond would be rather odd - rather like historical film with a Chinese Martin Luther King, or a white Ghandi. Or LOTR with a six foot Gimli and an obese Legolas. Certain physical characteristics are required for credibility. It would be as strange as a blond Bond or a short, fat Bond... you get the picture.

There again... Bond, credible? Perhaps I am defending a lost cause!
Cathenia
24-05-2005, 10:50
Clive Owen's certainly promising - perhaps Ioan needs to grow a bit older...

Cathenia
Gorsley Gardens
24-05-2005, 10:53
Tom Baker.

I don't understand how come he hasn't been James Bond yet.
Kejott
24-05-2005, 11:13
A black bond would be rather odd - rather like historical film with a Chinese Martin Luther King, or a white Ghandi. Or LOTR with a six foot Gimli and an obese Legolas. Certain physical characteristics are required for credibility. It would be as strange as a blond Bond or a short, fat Bond... you get the picture.

There again... Bond, credible? Perhaps I am defending a lost cause!

I don't see how it would be odd at all. Comparing James Bond to Martin Luther King is NOT an accurate comparison. Martin Luther King was an important historical figure who's race is what defines his achievements and actually stood for something. I haven't seen James Bond go around saying "White Power!" if that were the case, then by all means don't change his race. Denzel Washington would be PERFECT for the role and it would add to the overall quality of the film.
Bakamongue
24-05-2005, 11:20
Personally, I always liked David Niven's James Bond, but he perhaps isn't the best choice for today. There's also the oft forgotten/eclipsed 'first' Bond that I had trouble finding an online refernce to ('cos "Barry" and "Bond" too easily comes up on John Barry, not Barry Nelson) such as is depicted here (http://www.klast.net/bond/cr54.html) (and which I've got on a video in a cupboard at home, somewhere...) and Bob 'Blockbusters' Holness of course... ;)


A new Bond, though... Quite a tall order... I like some of the suggestions (seriously) made by others, but I'm really rather hoping that they'll take their time and find a (relative) unknown actor who fits the image rather than take a
'big star' just because they're an action figure. And I wouldn't be adverse to an ethnicly different Bond if it was introduced well. (Following 'Gustav Graves' of the last film, they can't possibly not be able to explain someone's drastic change of appearance, can they? About the only thing they couldn't do would be to make a she-Bond, to be honest, although if you resort to the Niven/Casino Royale ploy you could do anything... ;))
Neo Cannen
24-05-2005, 11:30
I only have four words on the subject of the next bond. They are these

NOT SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR

I don't understand why James Bond has to be a man all the time. When Pierce Brosnan retires, why not one of us?
Kellarly
24-05-2005, 11:37
I don't see how it would be odd at all. Comparing James Bond to Martin Luther King is NOT an accurate comparison. Martin Luther King was an important historical figure who's race is what defines his achievements and actually stood for something. I haven't seen James Bond go around saying "White Power!" if that were the case, then by all means don't change his race. Denzel Washington would be PERFECT for the role and it would add to the overall quality of the film.

Problem is with James Bonds past life story, and the films meant to have some continuos elements, it would be more than strange to see Bond change skin colour.

Plus he is meant to have been English nobility at some point along his family tree, so it really cuts Denzel out of the role.

Believe me, it would make one hell of a difference having James Bond being played by an African American faking an accent. No offence, but it would not work at all. Sure Denzel is a damn good actor, he has done some brilliant films, but Bond is meant to be a white upper class English/Irish/Scottish prat who has an annoying habit of not dying.

Keep him as an Irishman or a Brit. We have plenty of good actors who can do it. Last time we imported (Lazenby), it turned out to be the worst Bond movie ever.
Phylum Chordata
24-05-2005, 11:39
Jame Bond can have any colour skin, (human colour, not alien), just as a British person can have any colour skin (sometimes alien, but usually human). It would be much harder to accept a Bond who didn't sound British and use british body language. I have no idea how Denzel would go at that. There are quite a few actors of Asian geneology who could do a good James Bond, although I'm not thinking of big name action stars here. An Indian James Bond would be good.

Hugh Jackman could pull it off, I'd imagine. So could that New Zealand guy, what's his name? He played Spider McGlurk in My Secret Valley... Russell Crowe, yeah, he could do it.
Kejott
24-05-2005, 11:40
Problem is with James Bonds past life story, and the films meant to have some continuos elements, it would be more than strange to see Bond change skin colour.

Plus he is meant to have been English nobility at some point along his family tree, so it really cuts Denzel out of the role.

Believe me, it would make one hell of a difference having James Bond being played by an African American faking an accent. No offence, but it would not work at all.

Keep him as an Irishman or a Brit. We have plenty of good actors who can do it. Last time we imported (Lazenby), it turned out to be the worst Bond movie ever.

I can see why people would be resistant to the idea, but I could really REALLY see it working with Denzel. If not Denzel, then why not a African British actor? See anything wrong with that?
Kellarly
24-05-2005, 11:44
I can see why people would be resistant to the idea, but I could really REALLY see it working with Denzel. If not Denzel, then why not a African British actor? See anything wrong with that?

Yeah, kinda. As i put in my edit, Bond is meant to be a white upper class English/Irish/Scottish prat who has been to public school. Its not that Denzel couldn't be put in and play the part, he undoubtably could, but as others have said, its like having a chinese King Arthur or a European playing the Japanese Emperor. Its that kinda thing.
Kejott
24-05-2005, 11:47
Yeah, kinda. As i put in my edit, Bond is meant to be a white upper class English/Irish/Scottish prat who has been to public school. Its not that Denzel couldn't be put in and play the part, he undoubtably could, but as others have said, its like having a chinese King Arthur or a European playing the Japanese Emperor. Its that kinda thing.

I've never seen anything in the films that indicates that he HAS to be caucasion. I just don't get why people are so resistant to the idea.
Delator
24-05-2005, 11:48
Jason Statham.

I agree...

..if not him, then Ewan McGregor.
Markreich
24-05-2005, 11:51
Hmm...I'm thinking...Jude Law. Or George Clooney.

What what what?!?

George Clooney couldn't play *Bruce Wayne*, the most whitebread character of all time. His appearance in "The Thin Red Line" took that movie from merely bad to the awful... how the heck is he going to play BOND?!? :eek:
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 11:53
How about Colin Firth?
Kellarly
24-05-2005, 11:54
I've never seen anything in the films that indicates that he HAS to be caucasion. I just don't get why people are so resistant to the idea.

Well Bond is based on much of the original writers (Ian Flemmings) own experience. It's his character, and he just happens to be white. He is described as such in the books. Thats the only reason.

James Bond mini bio made from the books can be found here. (http://www.commanderbond.net/Public/Stories/1795-1.shtml)

Speaking of Flemmings own experience: Interesting Linky (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4306221.stm)
Markreich
24-05-2005, 11:54
Tom Baker.

I don't understand how come he hasn't been James Bond yet.

Erm... if you mean good 'ol Doctor Who, he's 71 years old and crazy as a loon... (that's only 4 years younger than Sean Connery!)
Markreich
24-05-2005, 11:56
Jack Davenport.

32 years old, good acting experience & delivery, slightly flippant, and looks the role.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0202603/
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 11:56
Erm... if you mean good 'ol Doctor Who, he's 71 years old and crazy as a loon... (that's only 4 years younger than Sean Connery!)

Although he WAS a fantastic legless pirate...
Kejott
24-05-2005, 11:57
Well Bond is based on much of the original writers (Ian Flemmings) own experience. It's his character, and he just happens to be white. He is described as such in the books. Thats the only reason.

Speaking of Flemmings own experience: InterestingLinky (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4306221.stm)

Well that's not a good enough reason for me! *slams fist on the table in a fit of rage* I want Denzel damn it! :p
Jordaxia
24-05-2005, 11:57
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Stephen Fry for James Bond.
AkhPhasa
24-05-2005, 11:57
Jude Law, clearly.
Legless Pirates
24-05-2005, 11:58
NOT SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR
Damn, beaten to it.

How the hell did she get that idea anyway?
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 11:59
Jack Davenport.

32 years old, good acting experience & delivery, slightly flippant, and looks the role.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0202603/

Hell yes!

I vote yes on Jack Davenport!

I first encountered him way back on the British vampire scifi show "Ultraviolet", where he was fantastic. He was good in "Coupling", so we know he can handle the comic timing... and he has movie credentials too... a minor role in "Pirates", and a major role in the (excellent) World War 2 ghost story "The Bunker".

Yes! to Jack Davenport!
Markreich
24-05-2005, 11:59
Although he WAS a fantastic legless pirate...

Ar! That too! ;)

Blackadder: ..."So you don't know where France is either, eh?"
Kellarly
24-05-2005, 12:00
Well that's not a good enough reason for me! *slams fist on the table in a fit of rage* I want Denzel damn it! :p

Besides, just theorising, if he were black, the one where he goes to the ghettos in New York and the voodoo place in Jamaica would have been a lot easier for him :p

Live and let die i think it was...bloody good sound track.
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 12:00
Well that's not a good enough reason for me! *slams fist on the table in a fit of rage* I want Denzel damn it! :p

Or an actor...
Kejott
24-05-2005, 12:01
Besides, just theorising, if he were black, the one where he goes to the ghettos in New York and the voodoo place in Jamaica would have been a lot easier for him :p

Live and let die i think it was...bloody good sound track.

haha, got that right :p
Kellarly
24-05-2005, 12:01
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Stephen Fry for James Bond.

That would be legendary :D
Kejott
24-05-2005, 12:02
Or an actor...

Are you implying that Denzel Washington is NOT an actor? If you are let me just warn ya, you ain't too old to get double back slapped!
Kellarly
24-05-2005, 12:03
Yes! to Jack Davenport!

He looks to be very busy with the next two Pirates of the Carribean though...

But yeah he would be good.
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 12:04
Ar! That too! ;)

Blackadder: ..."So you don't know where France is either, eh?"

"...with a Captain who's legless..."

"Arr, I haven't touched a drop"

"No, I mean.... you haven't got any legs...."
Commie Catholics
24-05-2005, 12:04
They should start making movies where Bond is older (maybe the new leader of MI6?), and bring back Connery...

Sean Connery IS James Bond.

And Allers? Do us all a favor and jump into some industrial equipment.

That's right. Sean Connery is Bond. I think they should just quit while they're ahead. All Bond movies since Goldeneye have been pretty bad. Pierce Brosnan is a fantastic Bond, better than Roger Moore, but there are just too many special effects in the new ones.
Legless Pirates
24-05-2005, 12:04
Although he WAS a fantastic legless pirate...
"Hargh! I haven't had a drop"
Jordaxia
24-05-2005, 12:04
Jack Davenport.

32 years old, good acting experience & delivery, slightly flippant, and looks the role.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0202603/

My official second choice. I've always liked him as an actor. The fact that he has one of the greatest voices ever and is almost TOO good looking is just a bonus. Thought the picture of him there is a little poor.
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 12:05
Are you implying that Denzel Washington is NOT an actor? If you are let me just warn ya, you ain't too old to get double back slapped!

I'm not implying anything...

But, if the role called for someone to act their way out of a paper-bag....
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 12:06
"Hargh! I haven't had a drop"

Well, now it's in the open... inquiring minds need to know...

Was Tom Baker's incredible performance your inspiration?
Kejott
24-05-2005, 12:06
I'm not implying anything...

But, if the role called for someone to act their way out of a paper-bag....

You're tellin me Denzel didn't act in Glory? What about Crimson Tide? John Q? You honestly think he can't act?
Kellarly
24-05-2005, 12:07
I'm not implying anything...

But, if the role called for someone to act their way out of a paper-bag....

I believe Kejott might just be on a plane coming to slap you now...
QuentinTarantino
24-05-2005, 12:08
Denzel Washington couldn't pass for British if his life depended on it
Kejott
24-05-2005, 12:09
I believe Kejott might just be on a plane coming to slap you now...

Damn straight, I'm at priceline.com right now lookin for cheap ticket prices!
Kejott
24-05-2005, 12:10
Denzel Washington couldn't pass for British if his life depended on it

You must be one of those people who think George Clooney can :rolleyes:

:p
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 12:11
I believe Kejott might just be on a plane coming to slap you now...

I think I'll take my chances...

I mean, he thinks Denzel is an 'actor'...

I'd probably find him outside slapping telegraph poles....
Kellarly
24-05-2005, 12:12
You must be one of those people who think George Clooney can :rolleyes:

:p

No! Not him! It'll be terrible :(
QuentinTarantino
24-05-2005, 12:12
You must be one of those people who think George Clooney can :rolleyes:

:p

Hell no!
Kejott
24-05-2005, 12:13
I think I'll take my chances...

I mean, he thinks Denzel is an 'actor'...

I'd probably find him outside slapping telegraph poles....

I will repeat myself. You can honestly say Denzel didn't act in Glory? That scene when he's getting whipped and the one tear rolls down his face? THAT is acting my friend.
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 12:15
I will repeat myself. You can honestly say Denzel didn't act in Glory? That scene when he's getting whipped and the one tear rolls down his face? THAT is acting my friend.

To be honest, I think I must have missed this film.

Shame really, it sounds like it had Denzel's one 'act' in it...
Kejott
24-05-2005, 12:19
To be honest, I think I must have missed this film.

Shame really, it sounds like it had Denzel's one 'act' in it...

You must have seen Crimson Tide. If you have remember the part where Denzel and Gene are arguing, that was just intense. Also at the end when Gene punched him in the face, just look at the ANGER he emits. It's almost as if he's not acting, it's as if he IS that person, but hey what can I say. You actually LIKE Ryan Reynolds but hate Denzel Washington? Kinda messed up there pal :p
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 12:26
You must have seen Crimson Tide. If you have remember the part where Denzel and Gene are arguing, that was just intense. Also at the end when Gene punched him in the face, just look at the ANGER he emits. It's almost as if he's not acting, it's as if he IS that person, but hey what can I say. You actually LIKE Ryan Reynolds but hate Denzel Washington? Kinda messed up there pal :p

I did see Crimson Tide, and he just didn't move me.

Oh - I didn't say I liked Ryan Reynolds.... I'm not sure I've ever seen him in anything except Blade: Trinity, so I don't really have enough information to make a judgement.

I liked him well enough in B:3... but I wouldn't say that made him 'an actor'.

Also - I didn't say I hated Denzel... I just don't really see the point in involving him in a discussion about actors.
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 12:41
I did see Crimson Tide, and he just didn't move me.

Oh - I didn't say I liked Ryan Reynolds.... I'm not sure I've ever seen him in anything except Blade: Trinity, so I don't really have enough information to make a judgement.

I liked him well enough in B:3... but I wouldn't say that made him 'an actor'.

Also - I didn't say I hated Denzel... I just don't really see the point in involving him in a discussion about actors.

Actually - thinking about it, I am being a little flippant... I thought Denzel was okay in "Fallen" and "Philadelphia", and not too bad in "The Bone Collector".

The only really outstanding piece of work, I would say, is his portrayal of Don Pedro in "Much Ado About Nothing".
Vimeria
24-05-2005, 12:59
I only have four words on the subject of the next bond. They are these

NOT SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR

Actually, a female Bond would make the love scenes with the bond girl that much more interesting...

Was I disappointed when Cate Archer didn't end up in bed with the Japanese chick in No One Lives Forever 2. I knew it was long shot, but still. In my opinion, even when you're doing a parody, you should have some respect for the source material. In this case the hero ALWAYS gets the girl. :mad:
Kellarly
24-05-2005, 13:15
Just to put a really bad Bond gag in...

"I though Christmas came only once a year"
Eynonistan
24-05-2005, 13:30
It should definintely be Brian Blessed!

<bellow>BOND, JAMES BOND</bellow>
Kellarly
24-05-2005, 13:31
It should definintely be Brian Blessed!

<bellow>BOND, JAMES BOND</bellow>

LOL, all he need do is shout at the bad guy and deafen him :D
Vimeria
24-05-2005, 13:38
It should definintely be Brian Blessed!

<bellow>BOND, JAMES BOND</bellow>

And from the other end of the voice spectrum, I think Michael Wincott might work pretty well.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-05-2005, 14:43
I think everyone did.


George Clooney should have stuck to the role he played as the Army Ranger hunting down thw nuke in the US with Nicole Kidman.
I think that was a good movie role for him. Certainly a few more similar type movies could have been made based on that character.

Just like Harrison Ford should have stayed on as Jack Ryan in the Tom Clancy movies. There are several more stories out and Ford is the man for that part. Not Alec freaking Baldwin (In the Hunt for Red October" and not Ben freaking Afleck (the last disaster. Morgan Freeman was great-Ben Afleck sucks)

Pierce Brosnan is the only suitable man for the James Bond part right now. He's got the same qualities Sean Connery had-that darkness and trouble. James Bond isnt a fancy boy.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-05-2005, 14:47
That's right. Sean Connery is Bond. I think they should just quit while they're ahead. All Bond movies since Goldeneye have been pretty bad. Pierce Brosnan is a fantastic Bond, better than Roger Moore, but there are just too many special effects in the new ones.

Yep-way too much CGI. If you read the original Ian Flemming stories, Bond is more gritty, the stories darker. They are getting too fancy.
Peirce Brosnan has that edgey presence. James Bond is a killer-borderline sociopath and alcoholic. He is suave, but not really a gentleman.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-05-2005, 14:52
What what what?!?

George Clooney couldn't play *Bruce Wayne*, the most whitebread character of all time. His appearance in "The Thin Red Line" took that movie from merely bad to the awful... how the heck is he going to play BOND?!? :eek:


Bruce Wayne is only whitebread as portrayed in the TV series with Adam West.

The real Batman is another story- not a glib pretty boy. He's rich-yeah. But brooding and seething. He doesnt just punch the masked bad guys-he busts them up badly-and kills them.
Ffc2
24-05-2005, 14:54
Michael jackson.
Markreich
24-05-2005, 14:55
Bruce Wayne is only whitebread as portrayed in the TV series with Adam West.

The real Batman is another story- not a glib pretty boy. He's rich-yeah. But brooding and seething. He doesnt just punch the masked bad guys-he busts them up badly-and kills them.

Name me any actor that portrayed him as something besides whitebread (Wayne, not Batman). Maybe Val Kilmer did it the best, but the character really is secondary to the Batman persona.

..and Clooney still didn't even hold a candle to the Adam West version! :D
Grave_n_idle
24-05-2005, 15:00
Name me any actor that portrayed him as something besides whitebread (Wayne, not Batman). Maybe Val Kilmer did it the best, but the character really is secondary to the Batman persona.

..and Clooney still didn't even hold a candle to the Adam West version! :D

To be honest, I think there was enough scope in Keaton's performance to get an inkling of the tortured dichotomy that is the Dark Knight.

But, agreed, Clooney... well... it just shouldn't have happened....
Carnivorous Lickers
24-05-2005, 15:01
Name me any actor that portrayed him as something besides whitebread (Wayne, not Batman). Maybe Val Kilmer did it the best, but the character really is secondary to the Batman persona.

..and Clooney still didn't even hold a candle to the Adam West version! :D


You're right. My mistake. He shouldnt be like that. Ok-Tim Burtin directing gives you the dark, gritty Gotham. Jack Nicolson as the Joker was great! He didnt even need to act-he played himself. Michael Keaton might have pulled it off-if he hadnt previously appeared in Night Shift or Mr Mom.

The "Batman Begins" looks interesting. I remain optimistic.
Markreich
24-05-2005, 15:09
You're right. My mistake. He shouldnt be like that. Ok-Tim Burtin directing gives you the dark, gritty Gotham. Jack Nicolson as the Joker was great! He didnt even need to act-he played himself. Michael Keaton might have pulled it off-if he hadnt previously appeared in Night Shift or Mr Mom.

The "Batman Begins" looks interesting. I remain optimistic.

yeah, I'm really hoping. There's been so little good out of late (except Hitchhiker's, though I want to see Kingdom of Heaven)... I haven't see Star Wars yet either. Figure I'll catch it when the lines go down. But my intake of movies has just about HALVED every year since about 2001... I used to see at least 30 movies a year in the cinemas. Now it's more like six!
Allers
24-05-2005, 15:15
Originally Posted by Zefielia
They should start making movies where Bond is older (maybe the new leader of MI6?), and bring back Connery...

Sean Connery IS James Bond.

And Allers? Do us all a favor and jump into some industrial equipment.
boom!!!!!! :mp5: now i go away and let youall, eat each others,hyena eating hyena....hum James you are out of game here,go to France :p
Drunk commies reborn
24-05-2005, 15:17
Steven Hawkings. That's right, the wheelchair bound physicist. Think about it. He can outsmart the bad guy, and Q could righ his chair with all sorts of neat gadgets.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-05-2005, 15:20
yeah, I'm really hoping. There's been so little good out of late (except Hitchhiker's, though I want to see Kingdom of Heaven)... I haven't see Star Wars yet either. Figure I'll catch it when the lines go down. But my intake of movies has just about HALVED every year since about 2001... I used to see at least 30 movies a year in the cinemas. Now it's more like six!


I missed "Sahara". I have read all of Clive Cussler's books and wasnt crazy about Mcconaughy (sp?) playing Dirk Pitt or that other weasle-looking thing playing Al Giordino.

I didnt like Hitchhiker much, but its not my type of story, so dont take my word for it.

I want to see Kingdom of Heaven-it looks good. I need another "Braveheart" type epic.

I took my boys to see Star Wars last Friday. I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, but it was good. I was a kid when the first three came out-saw those in the theatres. the next three we got on DVD for my kids to watch.
I would advise to see this Star Wars in the theatre.

War of the Worlds looks good ,as does the Fantastic Four. Even "The Bad News Bears" looks like it might be good for a laugh, but only because of Billy Bob Thornton.

Is it going to be a big movie summer? I dont know what else is coming out.
Markreich
24-05-2005, 15:53
Steven Hawkings. That's right, the wheelchair bound physicist. Think about it. He can outsmart the bad guy, and Q could righ his chair with all sorts of neat gadgets.

Q is dead! Long live R!
(R is played by John Cleese)
Drunk commies reborn
24-05-2005, 16:03
Q is dead! Long live R!
(R is played by John Cleese)
Sorry. I'm not a Bond fan, so I don't keep up with the character changes. Bond and his villans allways seemed too cartoonish, campy and unrealistic to me.
Markreich
24-05-2005, 16:05
Sorry. I'm not a Bond fan, so I don't keep up with the character changes. Bond and his villans allways seemed too cartoonish, campy and unrealistic to me.

That's the whole point! :)
Chaudi Arabia
24-05-2005, 16:35
a great thing would be to see someone like will smith take the role. we could have a black or a gay james bond(meaning no offence to either blacks or gays, but it is not what bond is seen as).
that would get the critics rolling :sniper:
Ali g in da house
24-05-2005, 16:36
Who would you like to see play the part? I personally think Denzel Washington would be PERFECT! Too bad he's not British though.





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Bakamongue
24-05-2005, 17:27
Just like Harrison Ford should have stayed on as Jack Ryan in the Tom Clancy movies. There are several more stories out and Ford is the man for that part. Not Alec freaking Baldwin (In the Hunt for Red October" and not Ben freaking Afleck (the last disaster. Morgan Freeman was great-Ben Afleck sucks)Factoid, though you may already know this: Baldwin's Ryan was the 'original' screen one, though Ford pwned the part in the Patriot Games/Clear and Present Danger duo... (Because he was more physical? was that the reason? I liked Baldwin in The Shadow, which wasn't armchair-bound in any sense...)

I never saw Afleck's performance, just never came into my viewing radar... Maybe one day it'll be on TV.

Anyway, off-topic a little.. ;)

[Afterthought: I liked the Clancy adaptations (the first three, that I saw, at least) but they were definitely different animals from the books... *waits for Red Storm Rising... a decent adaptation thereof, at least...*]
Bakamongue
24-05-2005, 17:38
Q is dead! Long live R!
(R is played by John Cleese)Well, Llewellyn is dead (RIP), but all we can say about Q-the-character is that he was preparing to retire (ironically) in the last Bond that Llewellyn actually featured in (what an exit! what a line: "always have an escape-plan"!) and might well have done so...

While he won't be re-appearing in the Bond films this side of a decent Virtual Actor development (in CGI) or some form of archive-splice/body-double trickery, you never know what delights he might be sendending to R from his 'retirement' home in watever part of the world he ends up (probably fishing from his Mk2 Q-Boat... ;)).
Zefielia
24-05-2005, 18:07
Just like Harrison Ford should have stayed on as Jack Ryan in the Tom Clancy movies. There are several more stories out and Ford is the man for that part. Not Alec freaking Baldwin (In the Hunt for Red October" and not Ben freaking Afleck (the last disaster. Morgan Freeman was great-Ben Afleck sucks)

Alec Baldwin was Jack Ryan in Red October long before Ford played Ryan in Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger. Unfortunately. I agree that Harrison Ford would have easily doubled Red October's inherent awesomeness.

And Ben Afleck sucks. I can understand being unable to use Harrison Ford due to the fact that he's OLD now, but still...damn. Someone fucked up Sum of all Fears bad.
Riverlund
24-05-2005, 18:18
Who would you like to see play the part?

Vin Diesel.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-05-2005, 18:28
Sorry. I'm not a Bond fan, so I don't keep up with the character changes. Bond and his villans allways seemed too cartoonish, campy and unrealistic to me.


Hence the success of Austin Powers movies mocking just that.
Dominus Gloriae
24-05-2005, 18:29
And now for something painfully arrogant.

How about me for James Bond, I can speak with an English accent (London, Ulster, or Yorkshire) brown hair, good with a weapon, knowledgable about real tradecraft, I do my own stunts, some acting education, seen almost every official james bond film. just a thought :D
Carnivorous Lickers
24-05-2005, 18:30
Vin Diesel.

I know you're joking. There is a guy in love with his annoying voice. I had to take my kids to see that movie where he is a Navy Seal babystitting kids.
It was unbearable.
Carnivorous Lickers
24-05-2005, 18:37
Factoid, though you may already know this: Baldwin's Ryan was the 'original' screen one, though Ford pwned the part in the Patriot Games/Clear and Present Danger duo... (Because he was more physical? was that the reason? I liked Baldwin in The Shadow, which wasn't armchair-bound in any sense...)

I never saw Afleck's performance, just never came into my viewing radar... Maybe one day it'll be on TV.

Anyway, off-topic a little.. ;)

[Afterthought: I liked the Clancy adaptations (the first three, that I saw, at least) but they were definitely different animals from the books... *waits for Red Storm Rising... a decent adaptation thereof, at least...*]

I know Baldwin was the original-he had promise and should have stayed with it, but its just as well-I find him intollerable now.
Harrison Ford replaced him perfectly-I wish he would have stayed with it. They could make a blockbuster hit movie based on each of Clancy's books-they would all be hits.
Without Remorse, Debt of Honor-The Teeth of the Tiger- all would make great movies. Jack Ryan unwittingly becomes President- they would be great.
There was even talk of Tom Clancy writing Tom Sellick as Magnum into a story, but that fell through for whatever reason.

Have you had a chance to read all the books?
Carnivorous Lickers
24-05-2005, 18:39
I never saw Afleck's performance, just never came into my viewing radar... Maybe one day it'll be on TV.




Its already been on TV- do yourself a favor and miss it. Read the book again, just dont watch the movie. Morgan Freeman played a great character, but Ben Afleck, plus changes to the story-Plus Wilhem Dafoe didnt play CIA man John Clark-it was played by some other guy that really didnt pull off the part.
Bakamongue
26-05-2005, 10:55
[snip Clancy literature/film stuff, with general agreement]
Have you had a chance to read all the books?Not all.. Started reading in library (Red October, years before the film came out, got phased by all the US spellings, being a UK born-n-bred person like I am and young as I was at the time, but liked the story) and went through several of the others by the same outlet and various bookshelves I have encountered since. Long story short, I've read the series chronologically as far as the Clark preqeul (i.e. before he was Clark, where he asks a high-ranking guy for a light hours before his ETA) plus the Rainbow Six introductory, but the next in line eluded me... I've bought some of the later ones (e.g. Bear and Tiger) witout yet reading them, but keep promising myself that I'll get hold of a bibliography to tick off the ones I have read, fill the gap(s) and continue onwards... Not including the Net-Force ones, which don't sound promising (BICBW).

Re: Clark - I didn't really like DaFoe's portrayal of him in C&PD, though take your word that he's worse depicted in SoAF... Though I can see (cinematographically) why they had to change some things (Chavez 'nearly seeing' Clark on excercise being swapped for the Cheesburger wrapper) it spoilt his image at the expense of maintaining Chavez's height of generic soldiering skill... (It's a shame they can't reliably convey internal dialogues and explanations from the printed word to celluloid, but that's an issue with all adaptations, and occasionally they make classics in thier own right with the necessary changes so can't really complain...)
Relative Liberty
26-05-2005, 14:39
James Bond was one of my favourites until Sean Connery and Roger Moore quit. Pierce Brosnan :rolleyes:
Whispering Legs
26-05-2005, 14:58
Tony Sinclair, from the Tanqueray commercials.

Of course, then Bond would have to stop drinking vodka martinis.
Patra Caesar
26-05-2005, 15:09
Rowan Atkinson should be offered the role, it would give him a much needed chance to branch out.
Wennington
26-05-2005, 15:27
When refilling the James Bond line of actors, you can't just pick any old person. You really have to analyze actors of Hollywood and pick who would be best accordingly.

In my personal opinion, Ewan McGregor would be the best choice for James Bond. He has everything to be James Bond. He's suave (Down With Love), he's action (Star Wars), and he is a great actor (Big Fish). Plus he has that cool british accent or whatever. HE is young and can do alot of movies.

He would be the greatest choice to be the best james bond since Sean Connery.
Toujours-Rouge
26-05-2005, 15:34
Pierce Brosnan has been a crap Bond imo. Connery and Moore were brilliant - suave and sophisticated - wheras Brosnan is just a cheesy action film guy.
Unfortunately I don't watch much TV these days so i can't really think of a decent replacement.

Could Bond be black? Hrmmm. I've thought hard about this, and i don't see why not.

Could Bond be American? No.

As for other recent character changes...
I don't like John Cleese. Well, i think he's brilliant, but not in Bond. He's to farsical, the humour's too slapstick, the whole scenario is being dumbed down far too much.
I do like Judy Dench as M tho. What is lost in the character of the 'old boy at the top', which is incredibly British, they make up for by playing on the male/female bond/moneypenny bond/m relationship whichcreates an interesting tention. It's probably overstressed, but the whole film is.

Edit:

In my personal opinion, Ewan McGregor would be the best choice for James Bond. He has everything to be James Bond. He's suave (Down With Love), he's action (Star Wars), and he is a great actor (Big Fish). Plus he has that cool british accent or whatever. HE is young and can do alot of movies.

He would be the greatest choice to be the best james bond since Sean Connery.

Doesn't he have quite a strong scottish accent?
He's always seemed a bit rough around the edges to me. Then again, i've only seen him in Trainspotting.
Asengard
26-05-2005, 15:47
I'd like to see relative unknown Rory McCann in the role.
He was in C4's "The Book Group" where he played a paraplegic. He's 6'6" apparently and has Sean Connery's looks and the Scottish twang that Ian Flemming's James Bond had.

http://www.alexander-the-great.co.uk/rory_mccann.htm
Harivan
26-05-2005, 16:27
I think hugh jackman would do a good job
Carnivorous Lickers
26-05-2005, 16:35
I'd like to see relative unknown Rory McCann in the role.
He was in C4's "The Book Group" where he played a paraplegic. He's 6'6" apparently and has Sean Connery's looks and the Scottish twang that Ian Flemming's James Bond had.

http://www.alexander-the-great.co.uk/rory_mccann.htm


I'd never heard of this guy, but checked the link you provided- he looks like a good contender.He even has the start of that Sean Connery smirk.
Chaudi Arabia
26-05-2005, 17:03
Well, Llewellyn is dead (RIP), but all we can say about Q-the-character is that he was preparing to retire (ironically) in the last Bond that Llewellyn actually featured in (what an exit! what a line: "always have an escape-plan"!) and might well have done so...

While he won't be re-appearing in the Bond films this side of a decent Virtual Actor development (in CGI) or some form of archive-splice/body-double trickery, you never know what delights he might be sendending to R from his 'retirement' home in watever part of the world he ends up (probably fishing from his Mk2 Q-Boat... ;)).
Q isnt the character name. Q is the title. the real character is major boothroid, or however you spell it. if you watch Dr No, it says his name, not Q. it is the same person
Kellarly
26-05-2005, 18:23
I'd like to see relative unknown Rory McCann in the role.
He was in C4's "The Book Group" where he played a paraplegic. He's 6'6" apparently and has Sean Connery's looks and the Scottish twang that Ian Flemming's James Bond had.

http://www.alexander-the-great.co.uk/rory_mccann.htm

This guy was brilliant in State of Play on the BBC. One of the best programmes I have ever seen on national tv. It was absolutely thrilling and Rory McCann was excellent.

Pity he was in Alexander....truly awful film....
Ashmoria
26-05-2005, 18:42
bond MUST be played by a british actor

no denzel, no val, no george clooney, no hugh jackman (isnt he australian? if hes british he would make a great bond)

my fav brit for the role would be clive owen. he has the look and hes a pretty good actor.

i like the idea of ewan mcgregor too, but hes blond. i love his boyish grin though....
Kroblexskij
26-05-2005, 18:48
peter kay :p
Bakamongue
27-05-2005, 10:42
Q isnt the character name. Q is the title. the real character is major boothroid, or however you spell it. if you watch Dr No, it says his name, not Q. it is the same personYou are, of course, right to bring me up for using that unqualified shortcut.

Of course, it all depends in what manner you think 'Q' is used. The original novel has Major Quentin Boothryod in Dr No, and a Major Boothroyd (not Llewellyn) was briefly in the Dr No film, but not associated with the letter. In From Russia With Love Llewellyn appeared in the (named) 'Q' role and I don't think it has been established if this was a full-character or mere actor swap (as with Bond himself, several movies later), so is Llewellyn-Q called so because of being 'Quentin' as well as 'Quartermaster'?

Mind you, Cleese's 'R' (alongside Llewellyn's last appearance as 'Q') is formerly called "Quartermaster" in the latest film. Whether he will ever be 'affectionately' known as 'Q' by the internal characters or not, I'm sure the audiences will be slower to adopt the term than the scriptwriters.


(This brings up an interesting point about 'M'. The original 'M' (dum-de-dum Lee... drattit, forget his first name) was 'long-title Miles M-something' in the books, though I can't recall the name being mentioned in the films. There were then two further actors (Fox and... memory fails me) in the role who were quite different in character to the original 'M' and at least one of which might have been a 'Hargreaves', though I might be wrong and can't recall his first name. There lies in my mind that the current 'M', Dench, has an 'M' surname, though... But I've no idea whether this is official film-related Canon or fan-fiction/wishful-thinking... Anyhow, these half-remembered 'facts' do little to support or deny the nature of the nominative processes involved...)
Commie Catholics
27-05-2005, 10:59
I think Al Gore would make a perfect Bond.
Funky Beat
27-05-2005, 11:11
I think Al Gore would make a perfect Bond.

No, I think he's a little too suave.

Just cast Johnny Depp. Seriously, he'd make any role good.
Kellarly
27-05-2005, 11:12
No, I think he's a little too suave.

Just cast Johnny Depp. Seriously, he'd make any role good.

Now that I would like to see...playing James Bond in the same way he played Jack Sparra. That would be hilarious.
Commie Catholics
27-05-2005, 11:14
No, I think he's a little too suave.

Just cast Johnny Depp. Seriously, he'd make any role good.

Speaking of Johnny, they're making a new Willy Wonka movie. Guess who he plays (not the Oompa loompa's).
Funky Beat
27-05-2005, 11:17
Speaking of Johnny, they're making a new Willy Wonka movie. Guess who he plays (not the Oompa loompa's).

Yes, I noticed when we went to see ROTS (which you didn't like).
Commie Catholics
27-05-2005, 11:19
Yes, I noticed when we went to see ROTS (which you didn't like).

I liked it perfectly well. I just happen to like the first better because of the soundtrack.
Funky Beat
27-05-2005, 11:22
I liked it perfectly well. I just happen to like the first better because of the soundtrack.

I'm quite sure that the music was exactly the same... correct me if I'm incorrect.
Commie Catholics
27-05-2005, 11:25
I'm quite sure that the music was exactly the same... correct me if I'm incorrect.

You are incorrect. There were slight differences in the third one. I'm listening to the duel between the jedi and Darth Maul right now. It's fantastic.
Commie Catholics
27-05-2005, 11:29
Darth Maul for Bond!
Wegason
27-05-2005, 11:32
Jack Davenport of Coupling fame
Kirkmichael
27-05-2005, 11:46
Jack Davenport of Coupling fame

He was also in Ultraviolet which is one of my favourite TV programmes ever. In fact, he does the secret undercover agent type thing very well in that, so I think he could make a very good Bond.

"Code five, neutralised!"
Harlesburg
27-05-2005, 12:19
I can see why people would be resistant to the idea, but I could really REALLY see it working with Denzel. If not Denzel, then why not a African British actor? See anything wrong with that?
What like Lenny Henry?

See its like a White Shaft
How about Rowan atkinson??? :eek:
GUINESS AND TULLAMORE
27-05-2005, 13:29
Christopher Walkin for Bond!!


Lemmy as Q!!!!
Markreich
27-05-2005, 14:23
Jack Davenport of Coupling fame

Yep. We mentioned him some pages back. Great choice. :)
Psychotic Mongooses
27-05-2005, 15:18
Clive Owen would be pretty good i'd say.
Luke the Jelly Bean
27-05-2005, 15:22
Someone earlier was suggesting Jude Law, please no!

Whenever the name is mentioned i always think back to him being a robot gigolo.
Bodies Without Organs
27-05-2005, 15:23
RE: Ewan McGregor

Doesn't he have quite a strong scottish accent?


Forgetting that James Bond is half-Scot, half-Swiss, are we?
Grave_n_idle
27-05-2005, 20:06
Yep. We mentioned him some pages back. Great choice. :)

Seconded. (Or 'thirded'... or whatever...) :)
Grave_n_idle
27-05-2005, 20:10
He was also in Ultraviolet which is one of my favourite TV programmes ever. In fact, he does the secret undercover agent type thing very well in that, so I think he could make a very good Bond.

"Code five, neutralised!"

And, in typical fashion... you can tell JUST how good it was, by the fact that they didn't make a second series.

But that's okay - because the one season of Ultraviolet was miles beyond fantastic. :)