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I seem to recall a thread a little while back that was very popular and also very hateful towards children. Now there is another thread on the forum which will undoubtably show the discrimination this forum has against children once again. I don't understand why this is; after all, even if you yourself are not a child, you were one once.

I was never a child. Children are just so unhygenic. They don't wash their hands, they don't cover their mouths when they cough or sneeze, they're always playing on the floor. Also they're loud and annoying. I could never have been like that. Being a child is a disgusting thought.

Ok maybe it's because I am still jet lagged but what are you talking about?

Discrimination agasint children? As in teenagers?

Yes it goes on and it is reasonable.

To use the old saying: Respect is earned. Not given.

Many teenagers seem to think the deserve respect.

Like I said I am jet lagged......

I don't understand why this is; after all, even if you yourself are not a child, you were one once.

Yes, and when I was a kid I did some marginally stupid things... and others in my age group did extraordinarily stupid things. On a regular basis.

Heed the words of experience.

Ok maybe it's because I am still jet lagged but what are you talking about?

Discrimination agasint children? As in teenagers?

Yes it goes on and it is reasonable.

To use the old saying: Respect is earned. Not given.

Many teenagers seem to think the deserve respect.

Like I said I am jet lagged......
Yet children are frequently told to "respect their elders". Why do their elders deserve their respect?

Yet children are frequently told to "respect their elders".

And?

Most likely they have already earned such respect.

Children don't have the knowledge or the expience to make such judgements.

If children don't respect their elders, then they won't respect anybody let alone themselves.

Respecting your elders is more about respecting authority then giving respect.....

And?

Most likely they have already earned such respect.

Children don't have the knowledge or the expience to make such judgements.

If children don't respect their elders, then they won't respect anybody let alone themselves.

Respecting your elders is more about respecting authority then giving respect.....
Why does authority deserve to be respected?

Why does authority deserve to be respected?
In the case of parental authority it should be respected because it busts it's ass trying to pay the bills and keep the ungratefull little snot nosed punks fed and clothed.

Did anyone say it yet?



Is myrth an adult? :eek:

In the case of parental authority it should be respected because it busts it's ass trying to pay the bills and keep the ungratefull little snot nosed punks fed and clothed.
Of course, not all parents are so kind.

Of course, not all parents are so kind.
Then they don't deserve respect. The majority of parents, however, make alot of sacrifices for their offspring.

Why does authority deserve to be respected?

It's the line between anarchy and order.

No.

Hey, I'm 13, and quite a few people know it. But has that ever stopped me? No. In fact, I'm usually told ,"WHAT? You're 13? Damn, you're too smart for that!" or something along those lines.

It's the line between anarchy and order.
And why should order be respected? I'd personally prefer chaos.

Suppose the child being told to respect his elders is being forced to respect a drunken hobbo who lost his job, family, and house, because of excessive alcoholism and drug use. Is the respect earned in this case?

[Yes, I know, who the hell enters this situation? But it's always the extremes that annoy people, and so I must present one extreme]

I seem to recall a thread a little while back that was very popular and also very hateful towards children. Now there is another thread on the forum which will undoubtably show the discrimination this forum has against children once again. I don't understand why this is; after all, even if you yourself are not a child, you were one once.
If you think it's bad now, just wait until you're over 50 and trying to find a job. :(

In the case of parental authority it should be respected because it busts it's ass trying to pay the bills and keep the ungratefull little snot nosed punks fed and clothed.

Exactly, a child doesn't have the experience and or knowledge to understand what people give up to have children.

Suppose the child being told to respect his elders is being forced to respect a drunken hobbo who lost his job, family, and house, because of excessive alcoholism and drug use. Is the respect earned in this case?

[Yes, I know, who the hell enters this situation? But it's always the extremes that annoy people, and so I must present one extreme]
That reminds me of my grandmother. She's addicted to the psychological drugs which have been prescribed for her depression and suicidal tendencies, and an alcoholic to boost!

If you think it's bad now, just wait until you're over 50 and trying to find a job. :(

It's getting bad at 45 and it's moving towards 40.....

No.

Hey, I'm 13, and quite a few people know it. But has that ever stopped me? No. In fact, I'm usually told ,"WHAT? You're 13? Damn, you're too smart for that!" or something along those lines.
So, they didn't think a 13 year old could be smart? Sounds like age discrimination to me.

And why should order be respected? I'd personally prefer chaos.

Congratulations for answering your own question as to why children get treated the way they do. They generally prefer chaos.

Unfortunately chaos isn't much in the way of a long-term survival strategy.

I only dislike the stupid teenagers/children that think they're so tough, can get away with anything, and can't seem to function as regular human beings. I think I'm justified when I have to be around some of these people every week in school, and when 10-year-old idiots start taunting and throwing snowballs at random passerbys for no reason.

I am not a large person, or skilled at defending myself, so I feel threatened by violent people, even ones 6-7 years younger than me. I have no doubt that a 10-year-old with a bad attitude could hurt me, let along someone my age. Especially since kids/teenagers tend to travel in packs.

Though to be fair, I dislike adults with similar characteristics just as much.

Congratulations for answering your own question as to why children get treated the way they do. They generally prefer chaos.

Unfortunately chaos isn't much in the way of a long-term survival strategy.
What's wrong with chaos? The amount of chaos there already is in the universe keeps life interesting.

Children and getting worse and worse these days. They are getting fatter, less intelligent, and again, less intelligent. (Yes, they are that stupid to deserve two 'less intelligents'!)

I swear, teach your kids some stuff. Cover your cough, wash your hands, learn your ABC's, the Planets, Mathematics, How to Read (Encourage them to Read too).

I'm only 15 years old and I'm still pissed about these young parents not even caring for their kids at all. Older parents too, who are sometimes just as retarded as their kids. Dammit, don't be such idiots when it comes to taking care and teaching your kid!

I consider myself a "child" (I'm 16) and I respect my parents to a degree. If I'm presenting an honest, logical statement about whatever and they completely ignore it, then I choose to respect them less. However I also realize that they DO pay the bills and for my food, so I'm thankful for that.

THANKFUL, however, I do not think that is where respect should stem from.

Besides: My parents brought me into this world, I didn't choose them to do so. I can't believe that you expect me to respect someone based on conditions of birth. If they feel I don't respect them enough, how about I just leave?

What's wrong with chaos?

Chaos is fine in small doses.

In large doses it results in you having no solid well established means of providing for little details like food and shelter on a consistent basis.

The amount of chaos there already is in the universe keeps life interesting.

Just go ahead and keep making my point, good job. Another reason children are treated the way they are... to them "making life interesting" is a concern that somehow manages to often supercede seeing to long term preperations for actually staying alive and healthy.

To a kid that's stuff you can worry about later when you're done having fun and keeping yourself interested.

For those of you who do not believe there is age dicrimination in this forum, I'd like to direct you to a conversation I had in a certain thread.
I can't move, I am a minor. That means I must do whatever my parental guardians ask of me.
So lets get this straight. You are some punk ass kid who hasnt been around long enough to know squat, you have been living off of mom and dads money and getting an education in schools paid for by government taxes? Yes , you are wise and the rest of the nation is misguided. You are clearly a child messiah and we should change the world to fit your needs. Because if a snot nosed kid dosnt like America, its Americas fault
I was initially stunned by this reaction. Then I replied in what I consider to be a very calm, rational manner considering all the hate that was spewed directly at me.
Okay, please do not attack me because of my age. I am often considered to be wise beyond my years and this is unfair discrimination on your part. Have you not heard the proverb that, "Out of the mouths of babes come all wise sayings"? I know plenty. Yes, I have been living off my mom and dad's money, but my independence is not far off from now. For your information, my education is NOT paid for by the government because I am homeschooled. I do feel that I am wise, and many people are misguided, and I admit that in many ways, I myself am lost. I never said it's America's fault I don't like America; it's no one's fault. I simply don't. Do you continue to have a problem with me?

Chaos is fine in small doses.

In large doses it results in you having no solid well established means of providing for little details like food and shelter on a consistent basis.



Just go ahead and keep making my point, good job. Another reason children are treated the way they are... to them "making life interesting" is a concern that somehow manages to often supercede seeing to long term preperations for actually staying alive and healthy.

To a kid that's stuff you can worry about later when you're done having fun and keeping yourself interested.
I never said that. But, I do not see the importance of living. The world is overpopulated as it is. I certainly do not value my own life over anyone else's. If I were to die, I'm sure I'd be doing the world a favor.

It's getting bad at 45 and it's moving towards 40.....
That could be. All I know is that I had one hell of a time finding work after 50. Sigh.

I consider myself a "child" (I'm 16) and I respect my parents to a degree. If I'm presenting an honest, logical statement about whatever and they completely ignore it, then I choose to respect them less. However I also realize that they DO pay the bills and for my food, so I'm thankful for that.

THANKFUL, however, I do not think that is where respect should stem from.

Besides: My parents brought me into this world, I didn't choose them to do so. I can't believe that you expect me to respect someone based on conditions of birth. If they feel I don't respect them enough, how about I just leave?
It sounds to me as though you have a concept of "respect" that is a few degrees off top dead center. :(

I never said that.

It was inferred from your reply.

But, I do not see the importance of living.

See? I'm just that good.

As for the rest... you have to formulate your own purpose for living. Another thing you should figure out as you transition out of childhood.

For those of you who do not believe there is age dicrimination in this forum, I'd like to direct you to a conversation I had in a certain thread.


I was initially stunned by this reaction. Then I replied in what I consider to be a very calm, rational manner considering all the hate that was spewed directly at me.

I would definitly could my vote if I saw that.

However, if you don't say your age, people can't discriminate against you. That's the key. I do that for my race and other personal information on all applications that could be factors that are discriminated against.

I only dislike the stupid teenagers/children that think they're so tough, can get away with anything, and can't seem to function as regular human beings. I think I'm justified when I have to be around some of these people every week in school, and when 10-year-old idiots start taunting and throwing snowballs at random passerbys for no reason.

I am not a large person, or skilled at defending myself, so I feel threatened by violent people, even ones 6-7 years younger than me. I have no doubt that a 10-year-old with a bad attitude could hurt me, let along someone my age. Especially since kids/teenagers tend to travel in packs.

Though to be fair, I dislike adults with similar characteristics just as much.
As do I, and I'll be 62 this Friday! :D

Going into the military was one of the best things I ever did in terms of my physical and emotional development. When I got back from Vietnam, I happened to run into a guy who had bullied me in High School. ( smile )

I consider myself a "child" (I'm 16) and I respect my parents to a degree. If I'm presenting an honest, logical statement about whatever and they completely ignore it, then I choose to respect them less. However I also realize that they DO pay the bills and for my food, so I'm thankful for that.

THANKFUL, however, I do not think that is where respect should stem from.

Besides: My parents brought me into this world, I didn't choose them to do so. I can't believe that you expect me to respect someone based on conditions of birth. If they feel I don't respect them enough, how about I just leave?

There is a difference between respecting a person and respeciting their authority. I mean, as long as you are living in another person's house, you should respect that person's rules, and their decisions, because it is THEIR house. However, that doesn't mean you have to respect the person.

Also, authority does come with responsibilities, as in: you may have a child, and you may be able to tell them what to do, but along with this you have the responsibilty to provide the child with a safe environment. If you don't, you can lose that authority. Something like that.

It was inferred from your reply.



See? I'm just that good.

As for the rest... you have to formulate your own purpose for living. Another thing you should figure out as you transition out of childhood.
I have already decided my current excuses not commit suicide.

(1) To try to make the world a less hateful place when I am given the politcal voice to do so.
(2) My little brother doesn't even realize how lost he'd be without me.
(3) My mother and my father have both told me that losing a child is the worst thing they could think of to possibly have happen to them.

So, currently, my own suicide would be a bit selfish. I have responsibilities. That's not to say I haven't considered it. I've had some extreme trauma in my lifetime so far, not just, "I didn't get money from the tooth fairy" trauma but serious life-changing trauma. I try to watch my own mental health because suicidal tendencies run in the family. So far, so good, but I still have several years of teenagerhood ahead of me-including college. :eek:

I would definitly could my vote if I saw that.

However, if you don't say your age, people can't discriminate against you. That's the key. I do that for my race and other personal information on all applications that could be factors that are discriminated against.
I never give my specific age on the internet anyway due to predators.

There is a difference between respecting a person and respeciting their authority. I mean, as long as you are living in another person's house, you should respect that person's rules, and their decisions, because it is THEIR house. However, that doesn't mean you have to respect the person.

Also, authority does come with responsibilities, as in: you may have a child, and you may be able to tell them what to do, but along with this you have the responsibilty to provide the child with a safe environment. If you don't, you can lose that authority. Something like that.
Everyone who accepts the responsibility of nurturing another human being through childhood, the teen years, and into adulthood, also needs to accept the responsibility for their welfare and upkeep ... and to insure their child is truly loved, and that they also learn to be responsible as they mature.

For most of us, the single most important thing we will ever do in our entire lives is to love and nurture a child.

I never give my specific age on the internet anyway due to predators.

But that's not what I meant. I meant never even hint at it if you can.

I seem to recall a thread a little while back that was very popular and also very hateful towards children. Now there is another thread on the forum which will undoubtably show the discrimination this forum has against children once again. I don't understand why this is; after all, even if you yourself are not a child, you were one once.

Punk!

Everyone who accepts the responsibility of nurturing another human being through childhood, the teen years, and into adulthood, also needs to accept the responsibility for their welfare and upkeep ... and to insure their child is truly loved, and that they also learn to be responsible as they mature.

For most of us, the single most important thing we will ever do in our entire lives is to love and nurture a child.

True. But the whole authority/responsibility is true in other situations. Teachers, politions, officers... if you abuse authority you can lose it.

Also, a silly point, but I thank you for saying 'for most of us' rather than just saying that raising a child is the most important thing a person can do.

True. But the whole authority/responsibility is true in other situations. Teachers, politions, officers... if you abuse authority you can lose it.

Also, a silly point, but I thank you for saying 'for most of us' rather than just saying that raising a child is the most important thing a person can do.
S'ok. I realize that quite a few people elect to not have children. It's all good. :)

People are fond of saying that "respect must be earned." They need to add, "continuously." There are some things that require constant maintenance. One of them is respect.

S'ok. I realize that quite a few people elect to not have children. It's all good. :)

People are fond of saying that "respect must be earned." They need to add, "continuously." There are some things that require constant maintenance. One of them is respect.

Ah, if only more people would follow your example. :D I hear about way too many people that get badgered about having children.

And this is very true. I mean... even if you save the world from conquering space aliens, if you act like a complete ass people aren't going to like you very much. They might respect what you've done in the past, but not who you are now.

...Man, am I bad with examples!

I think the old people are jealous of the young people - because inevitably they will be smarter than the old people. We know that's how human progresses but old people are jealous. It's natural...

In China the saying goes: the back waves of the Yangtze push the front waves. Those who come later will definitely push away the old ones. It's a natural process. Therefore, the old people should accept the reality and allow, even assist, the young people to grow - as long as they don't cross fundamental baselines...