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..They'd get shot for interrupting Herr Blair's dinner..

Would not surprise me.....would not surprise me at all. They would not kill all of them though......nuclear weapon or air strike not withstanding.

Isn't the right to bear arms in the constitution?

I guess you could argue that peoples right to bare arms could stop tyranny as a last resort. They're banned over here, nothing to stop Mr. Blair imposing house arrest on all of is :D! Also our gun crime in the UK is rising, even though guns are banned, criminals still have guns.

I wouldn't however like Britain to legalise guns, of give guns to the police. I just think America may have different reasons, so let them get on with it.

Dont forget that guns are used by the police in northern ireland. Although they do have good reason to

I think another interesting thing to note is that on a 60% turnout, Blair still has a majority winning only 36% of the vote. The lowest percent share in Europe for a majority government. Most countries have coalitions, and that is with a higher % of the vote. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

So even though 2/3 of people who voted (nearly) didn't want Blair we still have him pushing through endless bills, like the one for ID Cards, without a care in the world except for going down in the history books. His own party even don't want him, and Labour membership has fallen by 1/2. I recon he'll end up being as hated as Thatcher, maybe even more so.

Dont forget that guns are used by the police in northern ireland. Although they do have good reason to

Nor forget that they are also used by the police in the rest of the UK, although they are not standardly issued to each individual officer.

Would not surprise me.....would not surprise me at all. They would not kill all of them though......nuclear weapon or air strike not withstanding.
the old air strike would be a bit noisy. wonder if they've perfected the suppressed minigun yet. stick a few of those on the downing street roofs.. bye bye irritating democratic upstart crowds..

Im british and i always wondered how other nations saw us. We seem to have a habit of putting ourselves down, but what do foreigners think? Do you like us? loath us? Think we smell, etc. I just wondered.i think that the british are ok

Pfft. We are infinitely superior to most English people. At least we don't have an incredibly annoying, grating accent. :p

I can't stand it when people speak of "British accents" and just do an English one. I mean, really... :rolleyes:

Hmmm and they also think England only has one accent, which is absolute crap. Then they come out with this awful RP which I can't say I hear many people speak except on the news. Estuary down here :rolleyes:.

But the Scots superior? At losing in the rugby and football maybe! :p

The Decision is made by the Regional Police (I'm applying for the job of firearms licensing officer), there is very strict and definate critera on the definition of nutjobs of all shapes and sizes, as well as the reasoning, even if I say no yu can always appeal against my decision,


Yes, and I have to spend more time and money just because you were wrong, or had a bad day, or whatever. That's not right. You still get to make the decision, you don't even have to follow the rules.


just because you own or want a gun doesn't qualify you as a nut job, you are going to have to try harder than that to receive that coveted title,


There are some folks in the US that would disagree with you. That's very good news to me, thanks.


most brits aren't anti gun as such (except in cities where they are also anti fishing hunting and anything apart from cars money rent a rising up the property ladder),


Sounds like the folks I just described. :)


just that we do not want to see the police armed because firearms are easy to get hold of. I'm used to seeing armed police and patrols and tanks and the sound of small automatic and Warrior gunfire, it doesn't bother me. I just hope that the control of licensing is tightened to stop the occaision al muppet that slips through

I have two problems with licensing: First, government workers have subjective control over who gets what. Second, if the government does fully corrupt, they have a convenient list of who to round up/kill first.

But the Scots superior? At losing in the rugby and football maybe! :p

I get reminded of this every day since I moved to Essex from Edinburgh! Aaah! :headbang:

Christ, does no-one here speak with anything near RP? I live in bloody Essex and I make an effort to. :p

Also, quiet down you Northern proles. Get back to going down the mines or whatever it is you do. :p

I'd perfer not to speak with an RP accent (though I suppose living near Essex its almost a necessity...no1 wants to be associated with Essex. I can think of only two good things to have come out of Essex recently - The Prodigy and Underworld).

And us 'Northern proles' cannot go back dow the mines because Thatcher had the bright idea of closing them all. Also most of the north has moved on from the typical southerners' view of just coal mines, iron works and heavy industry. we certainly have the best cities in Britain (Newcastle, Manchester, Edinburgh and Sheffield), the best nightclubs in britain (except possibly for Godskitchen, being in Birmingham, that would be classed as the Midlands)...so Go North!! (tis so much better than the south)

The Orange revolution in the Ukraine. That was fairly peaceful.

No violence? Cool!

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No, seriously, who could forget the Scottish. Bunch of BASTARDS you Celts (oh, oops, that's me as well) were to the Romans, but you can hardly be blamed, now can you?

The Scots came from Ireland! :rolleyes: They didn't go over to what is now known as "Scotland" until the Romans left, just like the English didn't come over until the Romans left. If anyone is believed to have given the Romans a hard time it'd be the Welsh, but even then they're great at capitulating.

I get reminded of this every day since I moved to Essex from Edinburgh! Aaah! :headbang:

Hmm Scotland were unlucky not to have done better in Six Nations. I was rootin' for ya! :D

..so Go North!! (tis so much better than the south)
hmm... beaches... with sand... and warm water... a fair price to pay for being closer to France

Goodness, you are angry, are you not? I see you don't like it when a foreigner points out your country's fault when you point out another's country's faults.

We have faults in our country, and I am against them, but so do yours, quite, quite evidentally. That's what I'm pointing out, which I did in reply to your view on on our gun laws.


While I have no problems with others criticizing my government (hell, I do it all the time), the point OF THIS THREAD (don't know how many more times I have to say it....) was to comment on BRITAIN. That's what I was doing. And I'm not angry, just quite irritated at the thread hijack you've performed.


LOL No I would not 'shut up' actually, as I was merely replying originally to your view on British gun laws, which you saw as negative. I replied concerning your gun laws, and the negative of that, and of course Bush and The Queen Nothing to do with nationality, but laws, and perspectives of leaders and monarchs until you made it one of nationality. It's called a debate. Enjoy them while they last, cos good old George may well see to it you won't anymore.


You hijacked the thread to direct it to where you wanted it to go, as opposed to what the original poster actually intended.


If you can't stand the heat of a good debate on matters of laws and such, you need not have replyed to my reply. In other words, if you can't stand the heat of debate, get out of the kitchen and don't bother. Alright?

I can stand the heat, but this wasn't the venue for it. If you want to start another thread, go ahead, I'll take it up with you there.

hmm... beaches... with sand... and warm water... a fair price to pay for being closer to France

If you live in Essex you can even get french radio! :p

If you live in Essex you can even get french radio! :p
(I was kinda going for good points..)

This poses an interesting question- How many British people actually speak with the standard enhlish accent that the rest of the world thinks we all use? I speak in standard english, but im not posh or anything.

The idea of a standard English accent is bollocks.

There is no dialect either that is standard. Speech isn't standard, end of. Simply I could ask, Did you enjoy your day? A reply may be "Yes". What is standard about that?

Money goes to the Queen as wages for being a figurehead, She's not exactly running our lives as Bush is runninfg America if we are to compare, we have Blair for that.

Why waste money? Well, it's called Tax. You pay it, I pay it, we all pay it, a prt of that goes to the Queen.


You compeletely missed the point again. She takes some money, but she also pays those taxes, and brings in more than her position consumes--that's called efficient. When I originally was under the misconception that she was a sink, it didn't make sense. Now that I know she actually produces useful revenue for the state, it makes sense to keep her around.

i am mixed about the british and at the moment i generally dont like them
the british/we are
xenophobic, EU hating, conservative thinking , selfish group of S*** who believe our little island still has its empire and everyone is out to stop us.
and i dont want that image of us.

You are a fool! :rolleyes:

The toppling of Milosovic.


I seem to recall a great deal of explosives involved with that one.

even when a million (ok 75,000) file out into the streets of london in protest against a Government measure, while even the best Gov polls put the issues at near-enough 50/50, does the Labour Party listen... forward not back..

Zaxon, you must agree that there's a point with the whole gun thing. What was it.. an 11,000 odd figure quoted in BfColumbine? 11,000+ gun-related deaths in the US in a single year. How many in UK?

See there's the problem, I'm looking at all violent crime stats. Not just those with firearms--and not just murders (rape, assault, etc.).

However, even if the firearms were removed, the crime stats wouldn't drop--our screwed up society would just use another method to kill each other. The guns aren't the problem. The people are.

I believe that the british are bunch of tea drinking nancy pants but i really dont have anything against them and say they are ok with me.

[QUOTE=Tazikhstan]I think they should just turn the M25 into a moat. Keep us happy, keep them happy. :D

Anybody who lives further south than Manchester owns a jaccuzi and at least 3 cars. Fact.

rofl...i'm all up for turning the M25 into a moat. I reckon the north and the midlands (thats anything from the scottish border down to Birmingham inclusive), should break away from the south, declare themselves to be a separate country and make Manchester its capital. We've got more than enough ports and stuff to cope with getting supplies in...sorted

they should have a closer look: the Prime Minister was born in Scotland, the Chancellor is Scottish as is the Health Secretary and the leader of the Liberal Democrats. The leader of the Conservatives is Welsh by birth.

Don't remind me. This poses a problem for devolution when Scottish MPs are not accountable to English constituents when they implement policies in England. Scottish MPs may even find it hard to represent their own constituents also due to MSPs. Fuck the Union.

I believe that the british are bunch of tea drinking nancy pants but i really dont have anything against them and say they are ok with me.

Which is why we have a very bad reputation for hooliganism, because we are nancy boys. . Right!

Tea is great though, don't diss!

Most of the collapse of the regimes in Eastern Europe cicrca 1989 were achieved peacefully: more specifically East Germany and the Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia.

But were those achieved by the people, or did the government just give up? I don't know the details.

A group marching on D.C., to protest and demand the removal of the government (not just to enact a law or something) would be met with force. It can't happen peacefully here, if it doesn't work through elections.

Errr, this thread was much more enjoyable when we were talking about beer. Come on, make up and give each other smoochypoos.

Well, even they have a slight reason to celebrate as they will be in the CL and Liverpool won't be at this rate...

Yeh...as u've probablu guessed from previous threads...i'm a united fan, but even i thought that this was a bit unfair. Liverpool win the champions league (though admittedly AC Milan were really stupid for letting slip a 3-0 lead), yet they cannot participate in it next year. tis just another example of the FA screwing up parts of football...like that rule where if a person is injured but wants to carry on playing he has to walk of the pitch first and then come back on...what the hell is that all about?

i'm american. the british have treated us like total shit in the past

Awww I bet you feel really oppressed! :rolleyes:

Were the Brits back then treating Americans like shit or Brits who migrated to the Americas?

See there's the problem, I'm looking at all violent crime stats. Not just those with firearms--and not just murders (rape, assault, etc.).

However, even if the firearms were removed, the crime stats wouldn't drop--our screwed up society would just use another method to kill each other. The guns aren't the problem. The people are.
removing the gun element would up the challenge factor if you wanted to kill someone. To quote the greatest american ever "if something's hard to do it's not worth doing" (he does so exist).

I'm with Chris Rock on this point: $5000 per bullet.

The ugly:

- haven't come to terms with their colonial past and the Empire yet

LMAO! Oh dear, don't worry, we are constantly reminded ;). Even then it's the English, the Scots suddenly go "not us, we were being dictated to by those evil English".

I believe that the british are bunch of tea drinking nancy pants but i really dont have anything against them and say they are ok with me.

Hey! What's wrong with tea?? ;)

Which is why we have a very bad reputation for hooliganism, because we are nancy boys. . Right!

Tea is great though, don't diss!

hey yeah the hooligans go pretty nuts but look what theyre going nuts over... soccer? yeah that sport is so friggin manly

Errr, this thread was much more enjoyable when we were talking about beer. Come on, make up and give each other smoochypoos.

Well, I'm not much on smoochypoos, but I'm all over that beer!

Hey! What's wrong with tea?? ;)

id tell you but o look its tea time

hey yeah the hooligans go pretty nuts but look what theyre going nuts over... soccer? yeah that sport is so friggin manly
well it used to be, before C Ronaldo et al started the practice of falling over when hit by a strong-ish gust of wind to get a free-kick

Well, I'm on a vegetarian diet so there you go. Also, I'm not American. Other than that, ok. ;)

Hmmm...fairy nuff then, but this does raise another issue. Ive got nowt against vegetarians who just eat vegetables, nuts, pulses..normal foods...but when they make meat substitutes, like Tofu and Quorn [shudders]; thats what makes me really angry. OK so you don't like eating meat (for whatever reason)...fine...but then don't make a substitute that is meant to represent meat in every way except for the fact that it doesnt. Tofu is slimy horrible shite that tastes of FA...and don't even get me started on quorn. If you're worried about not getting enough protein and iron in your diet now that you've given up meat, then eat pulses, lentils, eggs and nuts (and drink milk), which are all high in these.

removing the gun element would up the challenge factor if you wanted to kill someone. To quote the greatest american ever "if something's hard to do it's not worth doing" (he does so exist).

I'm with Chris Rock on this point: $5000 per bullet.

I'm still worried about all violent crime--without removing rights from folks.

id tell you but o look its tea time

You bet it is! <sips his white>

I'm still worried about all violent crime--without removing rights from folks.

thats why you charge $5000 per bullet then people would think before they shoot someone

thats why you charge $5000 per bullet then people would think before they shoot someone
I think Zaxon's after the fact that you can commit violent crime with nae but a bit lead pipe. Or less

Only one thing screwed up with England:

They don't let their subjects...er...citizens have firearms without a LOT of hassle.

uhh...yeh, there's a good reason for that...we don't like going round shooting people for no reason. Us British citizens tend to prefer the diplomatic approach (or at least I do), rather than the 'shoot first, ask questions later, get of mah property, trigger happy American approach. Fine, you can have your guns to hunt with, but no1 hunts with pistols and sub-machine guns...you should ban all handguns and sub or other machine guns. And people who want to have rifles should have a permit for them and prove that they are going to hunt with them.

what is it that people have against our food. im a northener and we have some great food up here. you just cannot beat liver and onion gravy, or a Full English [breakfast] or Toad in the Hole, or Yorkshire Puds, or even good old fish and chips. People might say our diet is too fatty, but look at the americans, they eat much more fattier foods than us (not quite sure what point that is, but Americans cannot really slag off our food when their own is pretty bad).

I don't know, I'm sure most people in China only eat rice and it's hardly as grand as restuarants you get over here. The royals were eating real meals whilst everybody else had to put up with two meat and veg because they had to survive. Stupid rep. Maybe it's because we don't eat snails or frogs. We need a unique animal to eat, maybe slugs?

Arsenal, the second best team in England. Thats one more than you. Booya!

Liverpool champions of Europe! :D

uhh...yeh, there's a good reason for that...we don't like going round shooting people for no reason. Us British citizens tend to prefer the diplomatic approach (or at least I do), rather than the 'shoot first, ask questions later, get of mah property, trigger happy American approach. Fine, you can have your guns to hunt with, but no1 hunts with pistols and sub-machine guns...you should ban all handguns and sub or other machine guns. And people who want to have rifles should have a permit for them and prove that they are going to hunt with them.
minor pt: pistols are used for hunting, but pretty much only larger calibres. It is the assault rifle/smg/9mm pistol availability thing that seems stupid.

hey yeah the hooligans go pretty nuts but look what theyre going nuts over... soccer? yeah that sport is so friggin manly

Erm I think you underestimate just how much FOOTBALL means to people over here, it's more than just a game.

Anyways we have rugby, no rugby hooligans though.

Seems we don't actually have an official title of King or Queen (yes, I know she doesn't have any real power--however, you still have the title which rather points to a possibility that you're still willing to be ruled in some capacity). I can grasp irony just fine. I don't like him being in office any more than anyone else that doesn't. But he's going to be gone in three years <insert happy dance>; your monarchy won't.

yeh, but our monarchy doesnt have any power over us, as you quite rightly pointed out. Bush has a lot of power over the Americans (and the world), and he's such a stupid eejit that its scary. A lot can happen in the three years he has left. Why, in his first four years in office he didnt declare war just once, but twice (Afghanistan and Iraq), both of which are still ongoing. Our monarchy can tell us to do bugger all, your President/Emperor tells you to do something and you all obey

thats why you charge $5000 per bullet then people would think before they shoot someone

You need to practice. And some of us reload our own...

Erm I think you underestimate just how much FOOTBALL means to people over here, it's more than just a game.

Anyways we have rugby, no rugby hooligans though.

Forgot about rugby... rugby get the nancy pants off but your still tea drinking lol.

uhh...yeh, there's a good reason for that...we don't like going round shooting people for no reason.


So I do, huh? Man, I must be doing it wrong, then because I have yet to shoot someone.


Us British citizens tend to prefer the diplomatic approach (or at least I do), rather than the 'shoot first, ask questions later, get of mah property, trigger happy American approach.


Damn, you keep bringing it up that I'm not doing it right by not shooting people! Stop it!


Fine, you can have your guns to hunt with, but no1 hunts with pistols and sub-machine guns...


My uncle hunts with a .44 mag revolver. Sub-machine guns--generally outlawed for hunting purposes already.


you should ban all handguns and sub or other machine guns.


And carry around a 12-gauge for self defense? It's a little cumbersome.


And people who want to have rifles should have a permit for them and prove that they are going to hunt with them.

Prove to whom? And using what criteria? And what checks and balances to assure that someone's not being denied because they have a mole on their neck?

You need to practice. And some of us reload our own...
If every bullet cost 5g, no one would use them, hardly anyone would need to practice (maybe a 3g concession to police etc) and so on. yeesss.. we'll have to make private ammunition manufacture and refurb illegal with huge penalties..

We should let the Labour party loose in the US for while.. watch the civil rights fall like dominoes.


So I do, huh? Man, I must be doing it wrong, then because I have yet to shoot someone.
like the man said, 11,000+ Americans don't possess your aversion to human lead injections

minor pt: pistols are used for hunting, but pretty much only larger calibres. It is the assault rifle/smg/9mm pistol availability thing that seems stupid.

When using a firearm for self-defense, a 9mm round is less likely to go through the body, and continue on, unlike a .44 magnum.

Can you cite an event in history where a peaceful march led to the downfall of a government? Off the top of my head, I can't. I'd like to know of one, though.

Erm [scratches head and thinks]...didnt [Mahatma] Ghandi employ peaceful methods and that bought about the downfall of the British rule in India...one of its biggest colonies (along with Australia and Canada). Just a thought

<<We should let the Labour party loose in the US for while.. watch the civil rights fall like dominoes>>

And he says this with no trace of irony whatsoever.

Only reason I would need a gun is to hunt. I have lost one pound to street crime, no burglar has entered my house with me inside (and if they did they'd be looking at a chair-leg from a bad angle). And since thre's nothing TO hunt round here...

No need for a gun.

When using a firearm for self-defense, a 9mm round is less likely to go through the body, and continue on, unlike a .44 magnum.
it's a good point, but still with the 'shouldn't need a firearm to defend the self' point if guns were rarer. How about .38, .32 rounds for penetration? I'm no gun buff but wouldn't they do for that kind of application?

And since thre's nothing TO hunt round here...
No need for a gun.
RABBITZ!! and CHAVS!!

Bush has a lot of power over the Americans

Less power than our PM. I actually admire Americas checks and balances, if only we had a check on the Prime Minister other than an election once every 4 or 5 years, where even then our electoral system hardly does the population justice with representation. We have an elected dictatorship. But I guess we like the idea of a the mandate and manifesto, a strong government is needed to implement what they got elected for and then if it turns out bad to vote them out at the end of their term. However, it's the election which makes the mandate a bit illegitimate.

NW is, indeed > rest of the UK. Especially the South. And the North East - bloody wrong side of the penines!

Lies. The list of top places in the country goes like this:

1. Leeds.
2. Durham.
3. Everywhere else.

hmm... beaches... with sand... and warm water... a fair price to pay for being closer to France

Erm...we get beaches with sand up in the north too, and yes, they do have warm water during the summer. Also prices of everything (especially beer) tend to be cheaper up north. We have nicer countryside, see the White and Dark Peaks and the Lakes.

Erm...we get beaches with sand up in the north too, and yes, they do have warm water during the summer. Also prices of everything (especially beer) tend to be cheaper up north. We have nicer countryside, see the White and Dark Peaks and the Lakes.
what? so there's no reason to actually be this close to Odourland? right then, time to get the industrial air fresheners out. bet you've never seen a land mass/country get up and run away have you?

New Watenho']Lies. The list of top places in the country goes like this:
1. Leeds.
why don't you just stop there and think about what you've said.. now think some more.. repeat until intense feeling of dread is apparent.

Nothing wrong with the South :D! Don't envy us because we are further away from the Scots. . .

Also prices of everything (especially beer) tend to be cheaper up north. We have nicer countryside, see the White and Dark Peaks and the Lakes.

Don't be too hard on our countryside. However after Blairs third term I will be agreeing with you because Prescott is doing a great job of flattening it with thousands and thousands of homes.

Your house prices are cheaper. The government only wants to develop in the South so everyone moves to the South. Meaning more houses wont make my chances of finding a house any easier. And whilst he does that he's demolishing houses in places like Liverpool. I really hate Prescott! :sniper:

Meaning more houses wont make my chances of finding a house any easier. And whilst he does that he's demolishing houses in places like Liverpool. I really hate Prescott! :sniper:
nonsense, prescott's a great lad. overturning planning permission decisions three hundred miles away from him was a great idea. what do those silly local councils know anyway? targets, targets, targets

and how about the old left jab?

So I do, huh? Man, I must be doing it wrong, then because I have yet to shoot someone.



Damn, you keep bringing it up that I'm not doing it right by not shooting people! Stop it!



My uncle hunts with a .44 mag revolver. Sub-machine guns--generally outlawed for hunting purposes already.



And carry around a 12-gauge for self defense? It's a little cumbersome.



Prove to whom? And using what criteria? And what checks and balances to assure that someone's not being denied because they have a mole on their neck?

This is exactly my point...you say sub-machine guns have already been outlawed for hunting...then what the fuck else are they going to be used for? Killing people of course. In Britain we outlawed most guns after Dunblane (very similar to Columbine)...and I think we are better off for it. The whole point is you don't carry guns for self defence, you either use your fists or just walk away.

Plus, im not accusing you personally of shooting anyone, but if Americans have guns in their hands and someone starts abusing them, then the power of the gun takes over. Its like 'i can end this quickly by shooting this person' so guess what...he gets shot (or she)...tis really daft

Erm [scratches head and thinks]...didnt [Mahatma] Ghandi employ peaceful methods and that bought about the downfall of the British rule in India...one of its biggest colonies (along with Australia and Canada). Just a thought

Good cite. I forgot about him. :) Thanks!

nonsense, prescott's a great lad. overturning planning permission decisions three hundred miles away from him was a great idea. what do those silly local councils know anyway? targets, targets, targets

and how about the old left jab?

Local councils? Do they even have a role anymore? We have unelected regional quangos instead, jobs for the boys.

The "target culture" pisses me off too. Like the police in Manchester who have to arrest, charge or warn 4 people a month or face disciplinary action. So who gets screwed? Joe Normal does, because police will have to stop people for no reason just so the government can convince the nation that crime is falling. Creating criminals. Maybe that is the purpose of all the unenforcable laws like talking on a mobile phone whilst driving, which everybody still does anyways. Gives police a last resort if they haven't caught any real criminals. Like the guy whose breaking into your house who you can't beat because the burglar has rights.

it's a good point, but still with the 'shouldn't need a firearm to defend the self' point if guns were rarer. How about .38, .32 rounds for penetration? I'm no gun buff but wouldn't they do for that kind of application?


Good point, however, they are less likely to cause enough shock to drop the person attacking (and that's stopping, not necessarily killing, BTW) as well. They just don't have enough force. The smallest I'd go is a 9mm, but I usually have at least a .40S&W on me, when I carry. Usually, it's a .45ACP.

This is exactly my point...you say sub-machine guns have already been outlawed for hunting...then what the fuck else are they going to be used for? Killing people of course. In Britain we outlawed most guns after Dunblane (very similar to Columbine)...and I think we are better off for it. The whole point is you don't carry guns for self defence, you either use your fists or just walk away.

Plus, im not accusing you personally of shooting anyone, but if Americans have guns in their hands and someone starts abusing them, then the power of the gun takes over. Its like 'i can end this quickly by shooting this person' so guess what...he gets shot (or she)...tis really daft

great idea!!! the next someone abuses me or tries to rob me ill just pull out my trusty... ummm... stick... and knock the shit of em :p
or i could just bend over and take it like a bitch

The whole point is you don't carry guns for self defence, you either use your fists or just walk away.

My mate put the arguement against guns being legal in a good way.

If you walk down the street and someone pulls a gun on you, you hand over your wallet. If you have a gun and someone pulls a gun on you, you get your gun out and someones guna be dead.

Good point, however, they are less likely to cause enough shock to drop the person attacking (and that's stopping, not necessarily killing, BTW) as well. They just don't have enough force. The smallest I'd go is a 9mm, but I usually have at least a .40S&W on me, when I carry. Usually, it's a .45ACP.
Where does the force come from though? just volume of fulminate or barrel length as well. The force is only the mass of the bullet x it's velocity. so up the charge and up the velocity? or are .38 cases just not meant to take that kind of punishment?

ACP?

This is exactly my point...you say sub-machine guns have already been outlawed for hunting...then what the fuck else are they going to be used for? Killing people of course.


The reason the 2nd amendment was put into the US constitution was to stop a corrupt and oppressive government, not so we could hunt. I'll keep the sub machine gun on the list of allowables, thank you.


In Britain we outlawed most guns after Dunblane (very similar to Columbine)...and I think we are better off for it. The whole point is you don't carry guns for self defence, you either use your fists or just walk away.


And when the other person has a knife or a gun? Then what?


Plus, im not accusing you personally of shooting anyone, but if Americans have guns in their hands and someone starts abusing them, then the power of the gun takes over. Its like 'i can end this quickly by shooting this person' so guess what...he gets shot (or she)...tis really daft

The power of the gun. You're kidding, right? An inanimate object has no control over a human being. It's not like Tolkein's ring. Those who use them for self-defense have it pounded into them that there are penalties, and the firearm is the absolute last resort. It's not like a movie. You will go to jail if you shoot someone. You may not stay there long, if you were justified, but it's going to happen.

Seems we don't actually have an official title of King or Queen (yes, I know she doesn't have any real power--however, you still have the title which rather points to a possibility that you're still willing to be ruled in some capacity). I can grasp irony just fine. I don't like him being in office any more than anyone else that doesn't. But he's going to be gone in three years <insert happy dance>; your monarchy won't.

yeh, but our monarchy doesnt have any power over us, as you quite rightly pointed out. Bush has a lot of power over the Americans (and the world), and he's such a stupid eejit that its scary. A lot can happen in the three years he has left. Why, in his first four years in office he didnt declare war just once, but twice (Afghanistan and Iraq), both of which are still ongoing. Our monarchy can tell us to do bugger all, your President/Emperor tells you to do something and you all obey

Heh, we do, eh? Evidently, you didn't read the rest of my posts regarding my opinion on my president.

The power of the gun. You're kidding, right? An inanimate object has no control over a human being. It's not like Tolkein's ring.
you'd be surprised what goes on inside the head of the average hood with a gun tucked in his waistband as opposed to one without. Where do you think the arrogant swagger comes from? it's the same with groups of townies in the UK. you can spot the one carrying a knife from a way off.

i like the british i think you guys are awesome. hey iam an american. never ask about the french grrrrr kill the french :mp5: :sniper: :headbang: :mad:

Where does the force come from though? just volume of fulminate or barrel length as well. The force is only the mass of the bullet x it's velocity. so up the charge and up the velocity? or are .38 cases just not meant to take that kind of punishment?


The .38 bullets are very light compared with the .45ACP bullets (Automatic Colt Pistol--what most just refer to as .45. There are several different types of .45 caliber rounds--.45ACP, the new .45 GAP that Glock came out with, .45 long colt, etc.). The .45 makes a larger hole, larger wound channel, deposits more force into the target, and doesn't usually come out the other side (provided you're not just using full metal jacket ammunition, in that case just about any round larger than a .22 will come out the other side).

.38 cases can be made to take the force, that's why there are .38 supers out there. :) The .45 is a rather proven round (it replaced the .38 as the sidearm of the US military for a reason)--it's been around since 1911. It works, isn't likely to exit the intended target, and is inexpensive, due to it's popularity and availability.

The .38 bullets are very light compared with the .45ACP bullets (Automatic Colt Pistol--what most just refer to as .45. There are several different types of .45 caliber rounds--.45ACP, the new .45 GAP that Glock came out with, .45 long colt, etc.). The .45 makes a larger hole, larger wound channel, deposits more force into the target, and doesn't usually come out the other side (provided you're not just using full metal jacket ammunition, in that case just about any round larger than a .22 will come out the other side).
So if .45 exits are rare why still have 9mm's? Especially if 9's stopping power is dramatically less?

you'd be surprised what goes on inside the head of the average hood with a gun tucked in his waistband as opposed to one without. Where do you think the arrogant swagger comes from? it's the same with groups of townies in the UK. you can spot the one carrying a knife from a way off.

Wow, the guys that carry legally here generally are very unassuming and will walk away from a situation if they can.

We really aren't like the guys in movies.

That's why he said hood. I carry a knife a bit, mostly when I'm gong to Scouts or something and you wouldn't know it.

Chav gangs with knives do tend to have a bit more swagger, you can see it if you look for it.

Wow, the guys that carry legally here generally are very unassuming and will walk away from a situation if they can.

We really aren't like the guys in movies.
maybe we just get the bad end of reality US police tv shows then. And new bulletins. etc..

legality is still the major bitch i guess. but like it or not, legality = more available

So if .45 exits are rare why still have 9mm's? Especially if 9's stopping power is dramatically less?

There has been quite an argument over those two calibers. :) First of all, stopping power is a myth, as is the one-stop shot. There is force, but if you have a million foot-pounds of force on someone's little finger, it's a fairly inefficient use of that force.

It comes down to two camps: small and fast (9mm) or big and slow (.45ACP). The small and fast crowd like to point out that they can carry more rounds and can get off more shots. The big and slow camp like to tout that they don't need those extra shots, as fewer shots from a .45 will take down (again, stop, not necessarily kill) just about anyone.

More and more units (both military and police) are going to a caliber larger than the 9mm. But, for self defense, it's still a viable round, as the weapons made to fire that caliber can be scaled down more, if the bullet is smaller. That's why it will remain.

That's why he said hood. I carry a knife a bit, mostly when I'm gong to Scouts or something and you wouldn't know it.

Chav gangs with knives do tend to have a bit more swagger, you can see it if you look for it.

Okay then, criminals will be criminals, and not obey the law anyway--I'm sure it's a self-esteem thing, with the swaggering. :) They have to feel important and that weapon make it so, for some reason.

When I carry, I stay as far away from trouble as I can get--no alcohol, no bad neighborhoods, no arguments, nothing.

maybe we just get the bad end of reality US police tv shows then. And new bulletins. etc..

legality is still the major bitch i guess. but like it or not, legality = more available

Yeah, that particular weapon will continue to be used--legal or not. But, even if the population could be culled somehow, other weapons would be utilized. The murder rate would not go down that much, nor would assaults, rapes, etc. It just doesn't work like that here, in the US.

There are places that effectively ban (or make it VERY difficult to obtain one) guns--like Chicago or D.C. They have some rather high murder and assault rates.

Bans may work in the UK (though I still can't understand why a citizen would have implicit trust in the government--or at least the system that supposedly keeps the government in check), but they definitely don't work in the US.

i thought this was about the british... not guns? :confused: :confused: :confused:

i thought this was about the british... not guns? :confused: :confused: :confused:

You're right. It was supposed to be, but I seemed to have fueled the damn hijack.

Apologies.

Guns for citizens is like a check and balance system on the police. If the police wanted to start acting like they can do anything and start abusing their power than the citizens need a way to protect themselves

i thought this was about the british... not guns? :confused: :confused: :confused:
Britain.. Britain.. Britain..

Guns for citizens is like a check and balance system on the police. If the police wanted to start acting like they can do anything and start abusing their power than the citizens need a way to protect themselves

Yup.

Britain.. Britain.. Britain..

We've had running water for over ten years and we invented the cat!

We've had running water for over ten years and we invented the cat!
noo, noo we duhn't cos shelley, right, she been wiv darren behind the bike sheds again, I told you not to listen to her cos she's got crabs and SHUT UP SHUT UP

What I want to know is: how come when handguns were perfectly legal to own in the UK we still had nothing like the gun crime rate of the USA? Even pre-Dunblane, when any adult with no criminal record (to my knowledge) could buy a handgun, gun crime was minimal here.

I think, and this is not to be offensive to Americans, I think it has something to do with the fact that in America owning a gun is such a prominent thing. Not even a status symbol, not like that, I don't mean, but it's just... there. In the national consciousness. One of the first things that comes to mind with a lot of people, both Americans and foreigners, when you mention America is the right to keep and bear arms. And yes, it was put in the Constitution right at the beginning when the individual states didn't think they could trust each other, but I think the whole debate has just got so huge that it's just... it's a huge, huge thing.

Also, in the UK we don't assume that if someone is on our property that they lose all their rights. In the USA, it seems as if trespassing can be effectively a capital offence. My cousin in Flower Mound, TX knows someone who would try to lure his enemies onto his property so he could shoot them and claim they were trespassing. Guns for home protection aren't seen as a need here. I'm not saying homeowners shouldn't be allowed to use reasonable force to defend their property, but unless the circumstances are exceptional I do not consider killing a burglar to be acceptable force.

Personally, I think "home protection" is a modern justification for the old Constitution's right to keep and bear arms such that the people can protect themselves from oppression. But that's just my 2p.

New Watenho]
Lies. The list of top places in the country goes like this:
1. Leeds.

why don't you just stop there and think about what you've said.. now think some more.. repeat until intense feeling of dread is apparent.

...nope, been doing that for a while and getting no dread... just a nice feeling of "My city owns everywhere." It feels a bit like a cool breeze on a warm day, if you really want to know.

P.S. I also want to know why my computer or whatever keeps switching me between New Watenho and [NS] New Watenho, whatever that is. I never created that [NS] account; I have no idea what it is.

Don't we have enough gun threads?

I base my opinion of the British solely on the actions and words of Tony Blair.


Why? thats kind of stereotypoing..meh..I dont base all my veiws on the french due to the words of jack sheerak(however the hell you spell it)

I noticed the two stereotypes of english on American tv. The working class always seem to be drunken hooligan types and the middle/upper are portrayed as arrogant n snobby

I noticed the two stereotypes of english on American tv. The working class always seem to be drunken hooligan types and the middle/upper are portrayed as arrogant n snobby

Well the working class can be like that *cough-football-cough*...
The thing i dont like is when the americans who get offended when others use the US lard ass stereotype, go and rip the british.

JRR Tolkien.
CS Lewis.
Monty Python.

What's not to love?

/reverse threadjack

Why? thats kind of stereotypoing..meh..I dont base all my veiws on the french due to the words of jack sheerak(however the hell you spell it)
Jacques Chirac. :rolleyes:

JRR Tolkien.
CS Lewis.
Monty Python.

What's not to love?

/reverse threadjack

For every Tolkien there's an Archer. For every Lewis there's a Hume. For every Python there's a Good Life.

For every country's achievements, it has its fair share of shit. You just have to choose which to regard as higher.

Im british and i always wondered how other nations saw us. We seem to have a habit of putting ourselves down, but what do foreigners think? Do you like us? loath us? Think we smell, etc. I just wondered.

Judging by Blackpool, the British nation mostly consist of chainsmoking little old ladies playing slot-machines.

Judging by Blackpool, the British nation mostly consist of chainsmoking little old ladies playing slot-machines.
LOL
Or stag night/hen night spending rowdy/slutty people. If that was true, I wouldn't mind, actually... hmmm...

LOL
Or stag night/hen night spending rowdy/slutty people. If that was true, I wouldn't mind, actually... hmmm...

And drunken short fat girls with crooked teeth (the *real* english rose :) )
But I liked London alot...

The über-good looking Britons seem to party in Reykjavik, not in Blackpool. What a surprise. Nooo, i kid. It's 'Cool Britannia' afterall. Me likes.

The über-good looking Britons seem to party in Reykjavik, not in Blackpool. What a surprise. Nooo, i kid. It's 'Cool Britannia' afterall. Me likes.

I don't understand why they do tho...They must have loads of money, because things here are super-expensive (if you're a foreigner, we get higher wages too so we don't notice it as much).

Oh, I know it's expensive! But this is supposed to be about Britain... GOOO! Yous guys!

(oh, there was your angle; they are all loaded and lords and such) ;)

Oh, I know it's expensive! But this is supposed to be about Britain... GOOO! Yous guys!

Allright... My impression of the British outside of Blackpool = Ok beer, crap food, nice people and bookshops all over the place (which is a very good thing in my opinion). The one thing I found hard to get used to is the tipping at coffee shops and such, i constantly forgot about it.

Im british and i always wondered how other nations saw us. We seem to have a habit of putting ourselves down, but what do foreigners think? Do you like us? loath us? Think we smell, etc. I just wondered.

I think y'all talk funny. :D :eek:

For every Python there's a Good Life.
:eek: :eek: :eek: You don't like the Good Life? Blasphemy!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

thats why you charge $5000 per bullet then people would think before they shoot someone

No - we'd just be sure to be better shots! :sniper:

No - we'd just be sure to be better shots! :sniper:


Sorry - missed the reverse hijack!

I'm from near stockport, tinks' living in the back of bloody beyond in the lake district, anarchic conceptions is also from manchester...err Carops is from Bolton, Tazikhstan is from blackburn...I'm sure there are a few others about somewhere...

The North West > Rest of UK :D


South Derbyshire here :)

25 miles North of Birmingham and 20 miles south of Derby - very pretty part of the world :)

English and especially English Common Law are the greatest gifts ever bestowed by one nation upon the world.

English and especially English Common Law are the greatest gifts ever bestowed by one nation upon the world.


Hear Hear! Oops, I mean: Oyez Oyez!

South Derbyshire here :)

25 miles North of Birmingham and 20 miles south of Derby - very pretty part of the world :)

Nice, I live just 10 miles from derbyshire so...just on the edge of the peak district.

Put flouride in your water dude, I visited my grandma in August and holy christ, I think I was the only in the city with white teeth.


um there IS flouride in our water - I used to work for Severn Trent and they definately flouridate their water

Im british and i always wondered how other nations saw us. We seem to have a habit of putting ourselves down, but what do foreigners think? Do you like us? loath us? Think we smell, etc. I just wondered.

I have no opinion on the British. I've never met one, and I don't see anything really wrong with them (TV, news, etc.). So, I suppose the British seem okay.....

Spitfire, Waggledance and Bishops Finger. Oh and Newkie Brown :D

Nice :D

woohoo REAL beer drinkers!

I am a Directors, London Pride, Abbot ale girl myself :D

woohoo REAL beer drinkers!

I am a Directors, London Pride, Abbot ale girl myself :D

:eek: An ale drinking girl!!!!!!!

*Worships*

There is a god!!!! :fluffle: :D

:eek: An ale drinking girl!!!!!!!

*Worships*

There is a god!!!! :fluffle: :D


hang onto your pantyhose then cos not only do I drink it I also sell it to the pubs so I know more about beer than most - I am also the Beer Champion at my company and the top sales person

I have 3 cellar management certificates, have successfully passed the Beer Academy course, hold BII (British Institute of Innkeeping) certification (BIIAB) and have to do a presentation on 09.06.05 to the Sales Director and other notables about the positive promotion of Ale and responsible drinking *GULP!*

I love mah job :D

hang onto your pantyhose then cos not only do I drink it I also sell it to the pubs so I know more about beer than most - I am also the Beer Champion at my company and the top sales person

I have 3 cellar management certificates, have successfully passed the Beer Academy course, hold BII (British Institute of Innkeeping) certification (BIIAB) and have to do a presentation on 09.06.05 to the Sales Director and other notables about the positive promotion of Ale and responsible drinking *GULP!*

I love mah job :D

Sweet Jesus :eek:

Actually, sod jesus*, your job rules! :D How do you get into that then? Uni courses or what?

I mean I am at uni studying some couse that probably won't lead anywhere but teaching, but that sounds like a very good job!



*To all those who are christian, don't even start, it was a joke.

ALL THAT SWEET TALK :D
And the smile... Little ol' me is in love...

Sweet Jesus :eek:

Actually, sod jesus*, your job rules! :D How do you get into that then? Uni courses or what?

I mean I am at uni studying some couse that probably won't lead anywhere but teaching, but that sounds like a very good job!



*To all those who are christian, don't even start, it was a joke.

I do have a degree - I have a degree in applied psychology and am actually a trained mental health nurse (dont go there LONG story lol)

I got the job by applying to my company for a telesales role last year - they then bumped me up to account manager after 3 months and 2 months ago I got sent on the beer academy course and made beer champ because I enjoyed my job and because I also enjoyed ale myself - the BIIAB I got when I actually managed a pub a couple of years ago and in my time (in between sales jobs and being a nurse) I have worked for 3 breweries as a manager (or current role as sales account manager) and each one wanted me to do their own cellar management course

at 33 I am hardly a young girl and have got alot of life experience so that kinda helped me rise so fast

I also live 12 miles from Burton on Trent (where I work) which is the beer capitol of the UK (or so they like to think lol) and alot of the major national breweries started out there and alot of beer is still brewed there

I am currently the account manager of 380 pubs out of a company estate of nearly 8000 so I am not the only account manager by a long shot and my goal is to be a BRM (business relationship manager) in under 5 years (triple my current salary and a very challenging and interesting role)

my boss reckons I can do it in 3 :D

I do have a degree - I have a degree in applied psychology and am actually a trained mental health nurse (dont go there LONG story lol)

I got the job by applying to my company for a telesales role last year - they then bumped me up to account manager after 3 months and 2 months ago I got sent on the beer academy course and made beer champ because I enjoyed my job and because I also enjoyed ale myself - the BIIAB I got when I actually managed a pub a couple of years ago and in my time (in between sales jobs and being a nurse) I have worked for 3 breweries as a manager (or current role as sales account manager) and each one wanted me to do their own cellar management course

at 33 I am hardly a young girl and have got alot of life experience so that kinda helped me rise so fast

I also live 12 miles from Burton on Trent (where I work) which is the beer capitol of the UK (or so they like to think lol) and alot of the major national breweries started out there and alot of beer is still brewed there

I am currently the account manager of 380 pubs out of a company estate of nearly 8000 so I am not the only account manager by a long shot and my goal is to be a BRM (business relationship manager) in under 5 years (triple my current salary and a very challenging and interesting role)

my boss reckons I can do it in 3 :D


Well i can see why you moved up so fast, if you have enthusiasm and expereince your bound to fly up the ladder. Besides, glad you have such a greatjob and enjoying it so much.

My aim is to go into teaching, primary school. Which shocks most as you don't get many male primary school teachers. Oh well, breaking the mould is always fun :D

33, thats still young, and besides, a lady who enjoys her ale is a lady indeed. :)

Nice to see the forums are working ok :rolleyes:

Well i can see why you moved up so fast, if you have enthusiasm and expereince your bound to fly up the ladder. Besides, glad you have such a greatjob and enjoying it so much.

My aim is to go into teaching, primary school. Which shocks most as you don't get many male primary school teachers. Oh well, breaking the mould is always fun :D

33, thats still young, and besides, a lady who enjoys her ale is a lady indeed. :)

ALL of my family except me are teachers so I avoided that option like the plague ;)

and thank you kind sir - after a hard day at work preceeded by being woken up at 5am by a wide awake four year old I was feeling everyone of those 33 years but a compliment always perks a girl up :)

Nice, I live just 10 miles from derbyshire so...just on the edge of the peak district.

I love the Peaks, one of my favourite parts of Britain (that and the Lakes). Providing theres not traffic around Stockport, i can be out in the Peaks in about an hour from my house (south Manchester)...Mam Tor Ridge (Mam tor, back Tor, Hollins Cross, Win Hill and Lose Hill, not necessairly in that order), is possible my favourite palce to walk in Britain.

And the Blackadder quote is good, but the best Blackadder quote is in the last episode of series four:

Blackadder: 'you see Baldrick, there was one tiny flaw in the plan'
Baldrick: 'what was that then sir?'
Blackadder: 'it was bollocks'

ALL of my family except me are teachers so I avoided that option like the plague ;)

and thank you kind sir - after a hard day at work preceeded by being woken up at 5am by a wide awake four year old I was feeling everyone of those 33 years but a compliment always perks a girl up :)

Ah its because all my family are teachers that i am heading in that direction. :D

Compliments are a speciality :D

I love the Peaks, one of my favourite parts of Britain (that and the Lakes). Providing theres not traffic around Stockport, i can be out in the Peaks in about an hour from my house (south Manchester)...Mam Tor Ridge (Mam tor, back Tor, Hollins Cross, Win Hill and Lose Hill, not necessairly in that order), is possible my favourite palce to walk in Britain.

And the Blackadder quote is good, but the best Blackadder quote is in the last episode of series four:

Blackadder: 'you see Baldrick, there was one tiny flaw in the plan'
Baldrick: 'what was that then sir?'
Blackadder: 'it was bollocks'

I live just south of stockport so i can avoid that, living next to Lyam Park is great though :D

Well i can see why you moved up so fast, if you have enthusiasm and expereince your bound to fly up the ladder. Besides, glad you have such a greatjob and enjoying it so much.

My aim is to go into teaching, primary school. Which shocks most as you don't get many male primary school teachers. Oh well, breaking the mould is always fun :D

33, thats still young, and besides, a lady who enjoys her ale is a lady indeed. :)

I'm a fully qualified Primary school teacher, although I'm not quite ready to go into it and destroy my social life just yet. It is fun though, and I'm sure you'll kick ass at it. Mould breaking rocks. :D

What's malty, Taz? Sweet, sweet beer?

I'm a fully qualified Primary school teacher, although I'm not quite ready to go into it and destroy my social life just yet. It is fun though, and I'm sure you'll kick ass at it. Mould breaking rocks. :D

Well as my gf wants to be a Dr, I don't think either of us are going to have much of a social life! :D

Where did you get qualified, i have to start applying this year to courses etc so i'm looking around.

Im british and i always wondered how other nations saw us. We seem to have a habit of putting ourselves down, but what do foreigners think? Do you like us? loath us? Think we smell, etc. I just wondered.

The fact you turned out quite nicely even after your "imperialist" era (you know, large-scale genocides in Africa and South-East-Asia, "Britannia rule!", etc...), makes for relatively high hope for the United States, I guess.

Yeah I like you guys. You're a humourous lot, that's what you are. You've Python. And Cleese individually on some other occasions. Blackadder, and such. You're tongue-in-cheek. You've got relativism aplenty. You've got cool words like "blimey". But you have such a MISERABLE complexion - it's got to be the weather! I hate your climate! And your women drink like sailors - but that can also be considered a good part, eh? ;)

Im british and i always wondered how other nations saw us. We seem to have a habit of putting ourselves down, but what do foreigners think? Do you like us? loath us? Think we smell, etc. I just wondered.

Born in the former British state of Malaya (or Malaysia now) and moved to the former-convict colony of Australia.

:D

What's malty, Taz? Sweet, sweet beer?

Mmmmm. Beer.

Alcohol - The cause of, and solution to, all life's problems.

Where did you get qualified, i have to start applying this year to courses etc so i'm looking around.

Derby - I was living in Chesterfield at the time. I wouldn't recommend it though. I almost went to Edge Hill after getting my A-Levels, but decided to go and get a "normal" degree first, after being told by a lecturer that I would struggle as a male primary school teacher. Scum. Sub-human scum.

Mmmmm. Beer.

Alcohol - The cause of, and solution to, all life's problems.

Derby - I was living in Chesterfield at the time. I wouldn't recommend it though. I almost went to Edge Hill after getting my A-Levels, but decided to go and get a "normal" degree first, after being told by a lecturer that I would struggle as a male primary school teacher. Scum. Sub-human scum.

Well i went to uni first mainly so I could get a degree with my language, as they are hunting for male primary school teachers with a degree in a language apparently. My History should be pretty decent too. Just have to get qualified and then see what happens :)

And why the hell would you struggle as a male primary school teacher!!? The govt. are cying out for them.

Oh and Homer Simpsons greatest quote too :D

Compliments are a speciality :D


MMMmmmMMmmmmm let me know if ya ever get bored of your gf - I may be in the market for a boy toy sometime ;)


WOOHOO ITS BEER DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

MMMmmmMMmmmmm let me know if ya ever get bored of your gf - I may be in the market for a boy toy sometime ;)


WOOHOO ITS BEER DAY!!!!!!!!!!!

:eek: :D :fluffle:

*blushes* :D

Hey, did anyone ever find out where people get the idea that Brits have poor teeth? I have no fillings and the only trouble I've ever had with my mouth was when someone smacked me with a golf club and it chipped a bit of a tooth.

Hey, did anyone ever find out where people get the idea that Brits have poor teeth? I have no fillings and the only trouble I've ever had with my mouth was when someone smacked me with a golf club and it chipped a bit of a tooth.

IIRC its from the old victorian thing of having teeth stained from tea drinking. There are a few other reasons but no idea. I mean we have flouride in our water and everything so no difference really.

Just think the americans like teeth so white you will be blinded when you look at em.

Just think the americans like teeth so white you will be blinded when you look at em.
That's how they win wars. The enemy charges at them and then the US ranks simultaneously flash a smile at the charging masses. They all get temporarily blinded and the Americans kill them all. Everyone thinks it's something called a 'flashbang' but it's actually just bleached teeth. Honest.

That's how they win wars. The enemy charges at them and then the US ranks simultaneously flash a smile at the charging masses. They all get temporarily blinded and the Americans kill them all. Everyone thinks it's something called a 'flashbang' but it's actually just bleached teeth. Honest.

I always thought a flash bang was the american slang for a bloke with premature ejaculation problem.

WOOHOO my local has got London Pride on as a guest (I know this cos I sold em it ;) )

thats me GONE!

ttfn my lubberlies xxxxx

IIRC its from the old victorian thing of having teeth stained from tea drinking. There are a few other reasons but no idea. I mean we have flouride in our water and everything so no difference really.

Just think the americans like teeth so white you will be blinded when you look at em.

I thnk it is also from the war when the GIs came over. Though cannot be sure.

I thnk it is also from the war when the GIs came over. Though cannot be sure.

Probably.

Who carse, mine aren't sprakly blindingly white, but are perfectly healthy so what should i care really...oh well...

The fact you turned out quite nicely even after your "imperialist" era (you know, large-scale genocides in Africa and South-East-Asia, "Britannia rule!", etc...), makes for relatively high hope for the United States, I guess.

You're tongue-in-cheek.

There's a book from about 2003 about this, called something like The Importance of Not Being Earnest: A Tongue-In-Cheek Analysis of the British Sense Of Humour". Did exactly what it said on the front cover. Unfortunately I only saw it fleetingly while waiting in a bookshop for my sister once and have never seen it since or I'd buy it in a flash. It was hilarious and oh-so-very accurate.

You've got relativism aplenty.

Though many don't understand it, this is really what separates us from the USA. That, the Atlantic and the English Language.

You've got cool words like "blimey".

Which I use regularly, despite being from the North. I gather, however, that our accents are just desirable everywhere. Whenever I've VOIPed to friends in Canada, America, Australia, Malaysia, wherever, if it's English-speaking in whole or in part, it just melts at our accents.

These are some of my favourite things... about the UK.