NationStates Jolt Archive

Support a global one world currency or government.

Only if the USA is placed in control of it.

No way, Jose!

Support a global one world currency or government.
Yes, eventually, but there is no workable system in place for such a thing. The attitudes of people in most nations need to undergo a radical paradigm shift before we can have even just the universal currency, much less a universal government.

Yea all the way! But not through global domination, it would have to come about through the will of the people, as countries just provide excuses for discrimination and prejudice.

Yes, eventually, but there is no workable system in place for such a thing. The attitudes of people in most nations need to undergo a radical paradigm shift before we can have even just the universal currency, much less a universal government.
Seconded

Yes, eventually, but there is no workable system in place for such a thing. The attitudes of people in most nations need to undergo a radical paradigm shift before we can have even just the universal currency, much less a universal government.

I agree. And i also agree that this is unthinkable under the current conditions.

well what if a exelent world leader came and he was suggesting destroy 90% of all weopons and give 10% to say the EU so that there would be peace again would you support it then.

Yes, eventually, but there is no workable system in place for such a thing. The attitudes of people in most nations need to undergo a radical paradigm shift before we can have even just the universal currency, much less a universal government.


It is ultimately inevitable, but currently incomprehensible to all but the most visonary........

Yes, eventually, but there is no workable system in place for such a thing. The attitudes of people in most nations need to undergo a radical paradigm shift before we can have even just the universal currency, much less a universal government.
what he said. plus i think its a desirable goal

I agree. And i also agree that this is unthinkable under the current conditions.
We, as a race, have a long, long way to go before anything remotely approaching a Planetary Government can even be considered. I have my own list of things that will have to change before this can happen.

It is ultimately inevitable, but currently incomprehensible to all but the most visonary........
I'll take that as a compliment! :D

If this were to ever happen it would just result in huge amounts of terrorism as people feel they are having their identities and cultures taken from them.

well what if a exelent world leader came and he was suggesting destroy 90% of all weopons and give 10% to say the EU so that there would be peace again would you support it then.
My problem would not be with the fact that it is a global government it would be an issue with that leader … there is a difference I would still support the idea of a global government but not support that leader

We, as a race, have a long, long way to go before anything remotely approaching a Planetary Government can even be considered. I have my own list of things that will have to change before this can happen.

I'm curious now, which would that be? Perhaps US taking a seat in the second row, and Arabs becoming pacifistic atheists? ;)

well what if a exelent world leader came and he was suggesting destroy 90% of all weopons and give 10% to say the EU so that there would be peace again would you support it then.

In such an unlikely scenario, I may well support a one world currency, but not a one world government. A single global government would just be too inefficient, in my opinion.

I'm curious now, which would that be? Perhaps US taking a seat in the second row, and Arabs becoming pacifistic atheists? ;)
or americans becoming pacifist athiests? ;)

Id rather be permanently submerged in a pool of my own urine than be part of a world government or currency. The European Union are trying to inflict this upon us now and we are fighting tooth-and-nail to save Britain before it goes to the dogs. And a world government would be even worse.

or americans becoming pacifist athiests? ;)

Right, that should work, too. ;)

Id rather be permanently submerged in a pool of my own urine than be part of a world government or currency. The European Union are trying to inflict this upon us now and we are fighting tooth-and-nail to save Britain before it goes to the dogs. And a world government would be even worse.

Do you have any specific reasons behind your hatred of the EU or are you just feeling aggressive? People never seem to back up their feelings

yet another agreement with Eutrusca's position here. with the world as it is it's very difficult to get international cooperation, never mind the level of consensus needed for a single government. eventually, hopefully, but it will probably take generations to happen.

Or to make it easy why not get computer chips you implant in your hand or forehead then when you buy or sell something you just scan the chip wouldnt that be easy we have the technology we use on pets why not make that. Tell me your opinion.

Of course, but it's not going to happen now or any time soon. Many things have to be worked out, mainly how to live our own lives without giving in to the urge to tell everyone else how they should live theirs.

I'm pretty confident that humanity will accomplish that feat sometime in the future. We've been following that trend since families became tribes, then cities, then nations.

That will lead to a lot of conspiracy theorists saying its a way for the government to take over their lives and track their every move

Well, I would. Call them something catchy, something that harkens to the idea of a unified world - some play on the word earth, or terra maybe. Same style as a Euro - common heads side, unique tails side based on country.

It could work. It seems impossible, but not to long ago so was the idea of a unified European currency. Things like this are never as far away as one thinks.

Or to make it easy why not get computer chips you implant in your hand or forehead then when you buy or sell something you just scan the chip wouldnt that be easy we have the technology we use on pets why not make that. Tell me your opinion.
And it also could contain your medical history and allow you to get help from emergency services even if you're unconscious or lost. Some privacy and security locks should be implementeed before widespread use, of course, but the first model have already been tested.

But what you're getting at is the mark of the beast, aren't you?

Weren't you saying goodbye yesterday?

Since I believe we need the world as one nation, eventually, then yes, naturally there would be a world currency, as well. Though when this nation's well enough organized in distribution of resources, money could easily be abolished.

not just europe i mean the entire world using those chips.

And it also could contain your medical history and allow you to get help from emergency services even if you're unconscious or lost. Some privacy and security locks should be implementeed before widespread use, of course, but the first model have already been tested.

But what you're getting at is the mark of the beast, aren't you?

Weren't you saying goodbye yesterday?

Be careful, guys, Ffc2 is the beast.

F=6
f=6
c=3 x2 -> 6

-> 666 (need any more evidence? ;))

And it also could contain your medical history and allow you to get help from emergency services even if you're unconscious or lost. Some privacy and security locks should be implementeed before widespread use, of course, but the first model have already been tested.

But what you're getting at is the mark of the beast, aren't you?

Weren't you saying goodbye yesterday?do you think i am and i changed my mind since the mods changed my goodbye and put it in the spam section.

Be careful, guys, Ffc2 is the beast.

F=6
f=6
c=3 x2 -> 6

-> 666 (need any more evidence? ;))lol how can you acuse me of something you dont believe and two check your post count

do you think i am and i changed my mind since the mods changed my goodbye and put it in the spam section.

What are you talking about? :confused:

lol how can you acuse me of something you dont believe and two check your post count

Oh, LOL! I didn't even notice that one... :D

do you think i am
You wouldn't be the first. And going by previous posts of yours, I'd say you are.

and i changed my mind since the mods changed my goodbye and put it in the spam section.
Oh. Ok, I really don't mind if you stay or not, just wondering.

Oh, LOL! I didn't even notice that one... :Dwhen i posted that you had 666 posts you sick freak

No

Currency, yes. Government, depends. Can't tell really

And it also could contain your medical history and allow you to get help from emergency services even if you're unconscious or lost. Some privacy and security locks should be implementeed before widespread use, of course, but the first model have already been tested.

But what you're getting at is the mark of the beast, aren't you?

Weren't you saying goodbye yesterday?
Er sagte, "Goodbye" immer.
I see boarders as arbituary. A unified government may be easier, but then it would be more difficult to handle corruption. I am still undecided.

when i posted that you had 666 posts you sick freak

I said i didn't realize that, really.

And I'm no 'sick freak'. :mad:

when i posted that you had 666 posts you sick freak
Dude, you're better than Jesussaves. Congrats to whoever is controlling this puppet.

well what if a exelent world leader came and he was suggesting destroy 90% of all weopons and give 10% to say the EU so that there would be peace again would you support it then.

That's what the Anti-Christ suggests doing in the Left Behind series, only it's given to the organization that replaces the United Nations.

Dude, you're better than Jesussaves. Congrats to whoever is controlling this puppet.
I wouldn't say that.

That's what the Anti-Christ suggests doing in the Left Behind series, only it's given to the organization that replaces the United Nations.yeah i like Mr.Carpathia

yeah i like Mr.Carpathia

Come on, you can't say you actually read that crappy novel? :eek:

I can't see any reason why either would be beneficial. There are a few benefits to a world currency but I can't see where it's worth the trouble. It's like changing highway signs from miles to kilometers.

yeah i like Mr.Carpathia

He isn't a character to be "liked." And then I read how your name carries the mark of the beast. YOU ARE EVIL!

I would support a one-world currency, but I think the only one-world government will come up through deception and its leader might actually be the anti-Christ. I'd love to be in charge of the government, though. Plans are in motion.

I wouldn't say that.
Yeah, but everyone knew Jesussaves was a puppet after about one day. It took us a couple months to figure out Ffc2.

when i posted that you had 666 posts you sick freak
Note 616 is the number of the beast … as well as the fact that he has no control over the post count
You have an issue with it take it up with the jolt admins

Support a global one world currency or government.

no... people have too much invested in the idea of their countries' autonomy to allow for someone half-way around the world to ever be accepted as their ruler.

It would be a terrible idea. Someone mentioned terrorism; there would be large-scale terrorism.

for it to have any chance at all, there would have to be some pretty powerful member countries signing onto the idea... so that when (not if) such huge outbreaks/rebellions occurred, there'd be sufficient military force to put them down.

I think it's best to leave the world divided into different countries... most of us prefer owning our own houses to living in apartment buildings with other tenants.

Come on, you can't say you actually read that crappy novel? :eek:

It's awesome. I'm on the fourth book now.

It's awesome. I'm on the fourth book now.

IMHO, it's only awesome if you are Christian fundamentalist who wishes nothing more in the world than the coming of the end times...

Scary thing is, apparently a good number of such people are sitting in the US government... :eek:

It's awesome. I'm on the fourth book now.Soul harvest is cool but assassins is cooler

I'm curious now, which would that be? Perhaps US taking a seat in the second row, and Arabs becoming pacifistic atheists? ;)
LOL! No, but there would have to be agreement, even if not 100%, on things like:

1. How much sovereignty would each nation have to cede to the planetary government?

2. How and by whom would planetary law be enforced?

3. Would the Terran ( unit of currency ) completely replace national currencies?

4. How would decisions be made and by whom, and what would be the legal basis for making them?

5. What happens to nations who refuse to join and/or cooperate with the planetary government, if anything?

6. How would the monetary, banking, etc., systems work?

7. How would disputes between nations, and between a nation and the planetary government, be decided?

8. Would there be a planetary police force?

9. [ the list goes on and on and on ... add your own! ]

My personal interest in this is striking a workable balance between the strictures of the planetary government and individual freedoms. For example, I would violently oppose any attempt to alter in any way the freedoms currently guaranteed in the US Constitution.

IMHO, it's only awesome if you are Christian fundamentalist who wishes nothing more in the world than the coming of the end times...

Scary thing is, apparently a good number of such people are sitting in the US government... :eek:

I wouldn't be surprised if the end times were upon us, but I also would not be surprised if we are just paranoid and the end won't come for another thousand or two thousand years. I don't know if you'd consider me a fundamentalist or not, but fundamentalism in itself is not a bad thing. Christianity is obvious a good thing, so it's not the same as a militant, Islamic fundamentalist or something.

IMHO, it's only awesome if you are Christian fundamentalist who wishes nothing more in the world than the coming of the end times...

Scary thing is, apparently a good number of such people are sitting in the US government... :eek:
Nahhh. Many of those who claim to be are just blowing political smoke.

I said i didn't realize that, really.

And I'm no 'sick freak'. :mad:
Yes you are. I saw you with those two older wimmin last night! :D

My personal interest in this is striking a workable balance between the strictures of the planetary government and individual freedoms. For example, I would violently oppose any attempt to alter in any way the freedoms currently guaranteed in the US Constitution.

I see your points, Eutrusca. The individual freedoms are good point, i wonder how a planetary government would be handled in respect for that. And as you said... the list goes on. Thanks for this input, though. :)

I can't see any reason why either would be beneficial. There are a few benefits to a world currency but I can't see where it's worth the trouble. It's like changing highway signs from miles to kilometers.
Not really. We are already seeing a number of things that cannot be handled by individual nations, not even the US. If we're going to survive as a species, a planetary government is virtually inevitable.

Nahhh. Many of those who claim to be are just blowing political smoke.

Well, that's a relief... :)

Do you have any specific reasons behind your hatred of the EU or are you just feeling aggressive? People never seem to back up their feelings

How much time do you have?

Yes you are. I saw you with those two older wimmin last night! :D

LOL. Sounds about right... :p

How much time do you have?

I don't know about him, but I've got all the time in the world.

So, what do you have against the EU?

I don't know about him, but I've got all the time in the world.

So, what do you have against the EU?

That's easy! The EU, and the Soviets, and the Vatican, and the Illuminati, and the Free Masons, and the little grey guys from Zeta Rerticulum, and Linus Thorvalds, and George Lucas, they're all part of one big evil conspiracy. Isn't that obvious? :D

That's easy! The EU, and the Soviets, and the Vatican, and the Illuminati, and the Free Masons, and the little grey guys from Zeta Rerticulum, and Linus Thorvalds, and George Lucas, they're all part of one big evil conspiracy. Isn't that obvious? :D
You forgot the Spanish Inquisition.

You forgot the Spanish Inquisition.

That's understandable, though. No one expects them.

Ok random post time.

Interesting topic. I dont believe that the utopian solution works in this scenario. Introducing a global currency as has previously been said would involve vast changes to society beforehand. If you proposed that motion to the planet right now the general reaction would be something along the lines of the reaction if you suggested a single language accross the planet.

TBPFH it would never work. Humanity craves individualism, almost as much as it craves pack behaviour. It always has done, and always will do. We are forced to admit to ourselves that a human is human no matter their gender, colour, sexuality, or nerdy hobby, and form an ever larger and tighter pack. We cling to those things that make us different from other bits of the pack as a whole.

Typical utopian theory, everyone and equally individual and important part of the greater good. ie, the appealing part of communism.

Fortunately for the rich and charismatic communism doesnt work, and people look for leaders, mainly so they can then rebel against the laws of the leaders.

Global capitalism may want to lead us to a single global currency, but people will always have their personal reasons for it not feeling right.

Plus, it can be argued that competing economies and currencies are partly what have pushed our race along such an intellectual path of evolution, and we shouldnt do away with them as we may start to stagnate. both economiacally and intellectually.

Yeah, ran outta long words now. do i have a second?

That's easy! The EU, and the Soviets, and the Vatican, and the Illuminati, and the Free Masons, and the little grey guys from Zeta Rerticulum, and Linus Thorvalds, and George Lucas, they're all part of one big evil conspiracy. Isn't that obvious? :D

I didn't expect the Illuminati.

No, I would NEVER support a one world government, which is why I also completely despise the U.N.

USA all the way!!!!

If this were to ever happen it would just result in huge amounts of terrorism as people feel they are having their identities and cultures taken from them.
Welcome to Europe my friend! Thought my home country (Eire) is a big EU participator, the currency is a nightmare (Euro). The EU parliment is also not exactly a hot topic on the streets! It would be a great thing but if you think about it we would all loose our voices. We would be echo's in a sea of +6 billion people instead of 5-6million! It wouldnt work, anarachy would prevail. Interesting though, maybe in the future, not today though :headbang:

No, I would NEVER support a one world government, which is why I also completely despise the U.N.

USA all the way!!!!
Please tell me you're not really like that.

No, I would NEVER support a one world government, which is why I also completely despise the U.N.

USA all the way!!!!
The UN is a peacekeeping force, an alliance, not a flippin country! They negotiate peace, not domination ffs! Plus i dont think the rest of the world would appreciate American rule. I know for one i wouldnt, neither would the entire EU. The world would ignite sparkin a war, most likely gurella. Equal powersharing is the only way!

How much time do you have?

Way too much considering i'm meant to be working right now

The UN is a peacekeeping force, an alliance, not a flippin country! They negotiate peace, not domination ffs! Plus i dont think the rest of the world would appreciate American rule. I know for one i wouldnt, neither would the entire EU. The world would ignite sparkin a war, most likely gurella. Equal powersharing is the only way!
It would be a giant bureaucracy.

Welcome to Europe my friend! Thought my home country (Eire) is a big EU participator, the currency is a nightmare (Euro). The EU parliment is also not exactly a hot topic on the streets! It would be a great thing but if you think about it we would all loose our voices. We would be echo's in a sea of +6 billion people instead of 5-6million! It wouldnt work, anarachy would prevail. Interesting though, maybe in the future, not today though :headbang:

Plus its annoying as hell in the north when tourists decide to pay in euros. Ok thats the least of the problems but it annoys me anyway

I don't know about him, but I've got all the time in the world.

So, what do you have against the EU?

Well, its just i tend to ramble when i set off on a tangent.
I dont like the EU because I believe that the fact that 80% of British Laws are made by unelected officials in Europe is wrong. It goes against democratic principles. I also resent the way that the EU expects us to surrender our tax rebate in order to pay for improvements to poorer eastern European states. I am also rather tired of the EU's spring of recent ultra-political-correct decrees, all of which smack of a lack of common sense, the most amusin was the proposed renaming of Yogurt for ethnic reasons. I oppose the federalisation of Europe because it has led to France and Germany dominating the commision.
I also disagree with the idea that the EU should have a flag, or an anthem as it seems to me that only countries should have these things and this leaves me with no allusions as to what the EU wishes to become. The European Convention on Human Rights, which was set up by the EU, had led to the rights of the criminal often being championed at the expense of the rights of the victim. There is also the European Constitution which plans to infringe on virtually every aspect of our sovereignty. Call me old fashioned, but I would prefer to be represented and ruled by someone that the British people elected rather than some continental crony whose sole mission seems to be to wipe out all traces of British culture and history. thats all , really.

I didn't expect the Illuminati.
No-one expects the Spanish Illuminati!

Well, its just i tend to ramble when i set off on a tangent.
I dont like the EU because I believe that the fact that 80% of British Laws are made by unelected officials in Europe is wrong. It goes against democratic principles. I also resent the way that the EU expects us to surrender our tax rebate in order to pay for improvements to poorer eastern European states. I am also rather tired of the EU's spring of recent ultra-political-correct decrees, all of which smack of a lack of common sense, the most amusin was the proposed renaming of Yogurt for ethnic reasons. I oppose the federalisation of Europe because it has led to France and Germany dominating the commision.
I also disagree with the idea that the EU should have a flag, or an anthem as it seems to me that only countries should have these things and this leaves me with no allusions as to what the EU wishes to become. The European Convention on Human Rights, which was set up by the EU, had led to the rights of the criminal often being championed at the expense of the rights of the victim. There is also the European Constitution which plans to infringe on virtually every aspect of our sovereignty. Call me old fashioned, but I would prefer to be represented and ruled by someone that the British people elected rather than some continental crony whose sole mission seems to be to wipe out all traces of British culture and history. thats all , really.

Dont forget that a lot of the aid money (i know it doesnt make up losses but at least it goes to a good cause) is used in britain e.g. northern ireland for cross community projects, etc

What if the EU was a country and you were allowed to vote as a citizen within it? would you still be so against it?

Well, its just i tend to ramble when i set off on a tangent.
I dont like the EU because I believe that the fact that 80% of British Laws are made by unelected officials in Europe is wrong. It goes against democratic principles.

80% sounds like a pretty high figure...do you have a source for that? I'm looking on google but not coming up with anything.

It would be a great thing but if you think about it we would all loose our voices. We would be echo's in a sea of +6 billion people instead of 5-6million!

That might not be the case if the government was highly decentralized. I suspect that for a world government to initially work, it would have to keep each existing state today and make them subfederal to the global government. Then gradually people could forfit more control to the federal government and redraw their borders to make more sense (for example, make the world eighty or so state, merging some smaller countries together so the Netherlands isn't one subfederal region and China is another). Even if you do lose your "voice," that might not really be a bad thing. You'd still be able to vote, of course, it would be bad if you couldn't, but then the legislation being voted on in assured to be better for the planet as a whole (or at least it should ideally).

80% sounds like a pretty high figure...do you have a source for that? I'm looking on google but not coming up with anything.

scare fact... probably not true, but the real figure is still significantly high to be scary. I cant be bothered to back this up, but from what i remember from figures poked at me back at school, the number of laws passed by the EU that apply to britain per year is larger than than the number of laws passed in britain per year.

worrying

80% sounds like a pretty high figure...do you have a source for that? I'm looking on google but not coming up with anything.
http://www.ukip.org/index.php?menu=manifesto2005&page=manifesto2005introduction

70% to 80% of most estimates. This was the only source I could find on such short notice as i am currently doing a science paper on the wonders of enzymes....oh god how i hate it. I understand that UKIP may not be the most pro-european website, but if you look around, you'll see that 70-80% of our laws are made in europe. I used 80% because i felt the need to defend myself. Most of these laws are quite boring and trivial but many are actually fundamental things which do affect you.
And I accept the EUs monetary contributions to northern ireland, but i must point out that in real terms they are not quite in the same bracket as those made (understandably) to Eastern Europe. And it seems only right that Britain should get something back from its support for Europe.
If the EU were a state, I would probably emigrate. It is not a question to me of whether or not i would have a say in its leadership. I simply want nothing to do with it. It blatantly disregards over a thousand years of European history and we shall see whether others feel the same when the results of the French referendum are returned.
If you can present me with reasons supporting the EUs role in our society and provide me with evidence of all the benefits we derive from it then I would be happy to read them.

scare fact... probably not true, but the real figure is still significantly high to be scary. I cant be bothered to back this up, but from what i remember from figures poked at me back at school, the number of laws passed by the EU that apply to britain per year is larger than than the number of laws passed in britain per year.

worrying

Hmm...some of the stuff I'm reading paints rather a bleak picture of the EU, but I'd quite like to find a site which documents some of the laws being passed in the EU. I haven't seen any articles which provide references or any particularly detailed information.

Seems worrying, but I'd like to know more before I decide. I'm still unsure of the credibility of what I've been reading.

well, the EUs own websites are rather difficult to navigate around and the EU legislation website is very very long and doesnt refer to individual states.

http://www.ukip.org/index.php?menu=manifesto2005&page=manifesto2005introduction

70% to 80% of most estimates. This was the only source I could find on such short notice as i am currently doing a science paper on the wonders of enzymes....oh god how i hate it.

Thanks, I'll check through that and have a look for some pro-Eu stuff. I'm not sure if I can find anything much this evening, though, I've got a sociology essay which I should make a start on. And as you said, the official EU websites are rather difficult to navigate. At first glance, they seem to be rather vague about their policies.

Enjoy your science paper. :)

Support a global one world currency or government.
I would support a universal currency/government. The government would have to be a democracy of some sort, or a limited power benevolant dictatorship.

Yes I would support this if it was done right. I think humankind has a long way to go developmentally before we reach that level though.
We barely get along with each other as individuals sometimes. Most people are just not ready for that kind of leap of faith. Too much distrust still in the world.

Support a global one world currency or government.

Only if it was based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Only if it was based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

What's so special about the US constitution? I think the constitution of most European countries is at least equal in matters of granting it's citizens freedoms. I don't recall anything there's unique about the US Constitution. So what? :confused:

What's so special about the US constitution? I think the constitution of most European countries is at least equal in matters of granting it's citizens freedoms. I don't recall anything there's unique about the US Constitution. So what? :confused:
Oh, well, you see, there are many of us Americans who believe that our government is totally wonderful and all other governments are completely corrupt. :rolleyes:

What's so special about the US constitution? I think the constitution of most European countries is at least equal in matters of granting it's citizens freedoms. I don't recall anything there's unique about the US Constitution. So what? :confused:

It ensures all the basic freedoms along as your you know white

Ok, so as long as its based on one existing (arguably backwards ::ahem::excecution::ahem::) country, then global government is ok? Afraid it doesnt actually work that way. There is this funny thing called compromise, and i hope and pray to your non existant god that compromise doesnt end up landing at the US model. The last thing that the world needs is a religious fundamentalist elite running the show. We need a nice modern secular governtment, and towels. never forget your towel.

Unfortunately, until the more backwards countrys catch up with well, i dunno, whatever we set as the benchmark of normality, the compromise aint gonna happen. its gonna loom, but never get past the threating grey stage. The world should never descend to that.

you only need to read JG to tell you that. if you hanvt and you play this game, you really outght to.

Only if it was based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Most modern constitutions are as, if not more, liberal as the US Constitution and grant a level of freedoms and rights comparable or superior to those of the US. So I don't think that'll be a problem.

LOL. Sounds about right... :p
LOL! Ah HA! Caught ya! :D

There is no way in hell I would ever support something like a global goverment or anything that is global.

There is no way in hell I would ever support something like a global goverment or anything that is global.
Why not? S'plain, please.

There is no way in hell I would ever support something like a global goverment or anything that is global.
Like the atmosphere?

Plus its annoying as hell in the north when tourists decide to pay in euros. Ok thats the least of the problems but it annoys me anyway
F**k i hate that, or they wont accept Sterling with Bank of Ireland on it in foregin countries and they go "But Ireland is Euro" GRRRRR that annoys the hell outta me!!! :mad:

It would be a giant bureaucracy.
Better than being controlled by the US! Do i have to quote Dylan Moran on ur American patriotism?!?!

Ok, so as long as its based on one existing (arguably backwards ::ahem::excecution::ahem::) country, then global government is ok? Afraid it doesnt actually work that way. There is this funny thing called compromise, and i hope and pray to your non existant god that compromise doesnt end up landing at the US model. The last thing that the world needs is a religious fundamentalist elite running the show. We need a nice modern secular governtment, and towels. never forget your towel.

Oh, don't be such a complete kneebiter. I'm talking about how our country began - not what it has devolved into by this point. You seem to forget that the U.S. government began as a secular government (being based on a secular document), and that many of the Founding Fathers were actually Deists rather than Christian Fundamentalists. A secular government governing a free people - that is the only acceptable form of global government for me - that is what I am saying.

And of course, I would never forget my towel!

I agree. And i also agree that this is unthinkable under the current conditions.

It can be done and it should be done!!! Doing it by force may not be the best way but human nature will see the current conditions continue indefinatly - until someone like Napoleon has the balls to try and change it.

(for those who are about to say "Napoleon was a dictator" - go and do some research.)

Oh, don't be such a complete kneebiter. I'm talking about how our country began - not what it has devolved into by this point. You seem to forget that the U.S. government began as a secular government (being based on a secular document), and that many of the Founding Fathers were actually Deists rather than Christian Fundamentalists. A secular government governing a free people - that is the only acceptable form of global government for me - that is what I am saying.

And of course, I would never forget my towel!

Please take all my jibes with a pinch of salt, i have a natural tendancy towards sarcasm and cynicism, and the US is a very big and easy target

I understand that all countries have their flaws, and so i dont like people coming out and saying that a futuristic world govt would have to be based on the constitution, rights, and laws of one country. It would have to be worked out from scratch, with all peoples of the world consulted. (if we are still gonna be democratic and free that is) In my opinion no one has the perfect model yet, thats why playing NS is fun.

It would be nice to hear a bit more talk of compromise from the US about global issues in general. Thats the sort of diplomatic outlook that gets you in people's good books. If you start out from a position of "lets discuss this" rather than "we are right, fear our awesome power" people tend to listen more. Being diplomatic doesnt mean that you give up on your own rights and laws, it just means that you allow a conversation to happen in which you can convince people that your laws and rights are gonna work for them too. You also have to be open minded enough to be convinced that some of your rights are wrong for you (either being too liberal, eg letting murderers walk free on electronic tags, or by being not liberal enough, eg executing murderers)

so, compromise... sensible?

I would rather have one currency than one gov.

Please take all my jibes with a pinch of salt, i have a natural tendancy towards sarcasm and cynicism, and the US is a very big and easy target

I understand that all countries have their flaws, and so i dont like people coming out and saying that a futuristic world govt would have to be based on the constitution, rights, and laws of one country. It would have to be worked out from scratch, with all peoples of the world consulted. (if we are still gonna be democratic and free that is) In my opinion no one has the perfect model yet, thats why playing NS is fun.

It would be nice to hear a bit more talk of compromise from the US about global issues in general. Thats the sort of diplomatic outlook that gets you in people's good books. If you start out from a position of "lets discuss this" rather than "we are right, fear our awesome power" people tend to listen more. Being diplomatic doesnt mean that you give up on your own rights and laws, it just means that you allow a conversation to happen in which you can convince people that your laws and rights are gonna work for them too. You also have to be open minded enough to be convinced that some of your rights are wrong for you (either being too liberal, eg letting murderers walk free on electronic tags, or by being not liberal enough, eg executing murderers)

so, compromise... sensible?

The U.S. Constitution is not to blame if murderers are allowed to walk free on electronic tags, but yeah, I know what you mean. Compromise in some areas can be sensible and good - but there are some areas where I will not compromise. I will not be told I have to follow a particular religion, for example. I will not be forced into Christianity or Islam or any other religion that tends to force itself on the world. Religion is a private matter between an individual and any god/dess/es he/she may worship - it's no one else's business at all. Freedom to speak my mind is another sacred right to me (which is vanishing in the U.S. - but again, that is not the fault of the Constitution, but rather, those who are responsible for upholding it). A free press, the right to vote, to run for public office, to bear arms, to assemble peaceably...just freedom in general - these are important, and I would not support a global government that didn't guarantee such freedoms.