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I have been talking with a friend of mine and he says that the 2nd Amendment (The right to keep and bear arms.) Could be on its way out. Does this seem wrong to anyone else?

1) This belongs in General.

2) Not at all. As Americans, we have this idealistic belief that the first 10 amendments (the Bill of Rights) are somehow untouchable. The truth is, those amendments were written over 200 years ago, when American society was completely different from what it is now. Back then, fear of government takeover was high, as was fear of civil rebellion. Therefore, it made sense to allow everyone the right to bear arms; the police and military could not always be relied on to save the day. Nowadays, however, we face more and more violent gun-related crime that, in some people's minds, outweighs the right to bear arms.

That being said, I honestly don't believe that the 2nd amendment will be repealed, nor do I really think it should be. Gun control, not gun abolishment, is the answer.

If the 2nd Amendment were repealed, we'd only have the Bible to argue about.

What fun would that be?

I have been talking with a friend of mine and he says that the 2nd Amendment (The right to keep and bear arms.) Could be on its way out. Does this seem wrong to anyone else?
No chance.

Nargobia pretty much covered it.

What does he mean by second amendment is question:

http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/secondamend.html

The United States Supreme Court and lower federal courts have consistently interpreted this Amendment only as a prohibition against Federal interference with State militia and not as a guarantee of an individual's right to keep or carry firearms. The argument that the Second Amendment prohibits all State or Federal regulation of citizen's ownership of firearms has no validity whatsoever.


So if he means, "The right to keep and bear arms. ": than we have never had that right in America.

I have been talking with a friend of mine and he says that the 2nd Amendment (The right to keep and bear arms.) Could be on its way out. Does this seem wrong to anyone else?
I really hope it's NOT on the way out....the fact is that this amendment is one of our strongest safeguards against tyranny.

Our founders passed this amendment on the basis that we had just fought a war for our independence. A war with guns; citizens and the militia had to provide their own arms in their battle against the government-armed British soldiers.

But besides fighting the threat from the outside, a well-armed populace can also keep the threat from within in check, lest the government grow tyrannical....

Nope. You'd need a two thirds majority in congress to do that. The gun-grabbers are not going to get that kind of a majority in the forseeable future.

Not going to happen.

When you open the Constitution for change, it's all open for change.

Few people and that includes the Bushies, trust the goverment enough to do that.

Look how many amendments we have had since it was written. Changes are not taken lightly......

I have been talking with a friend of mine and he says that the 2nd Amendment (The right to keep and bear arms.) Could be on its way out. Does this seem wrong to anyone else?
I think that it is no longer is as necessary as it once was. It is not like you need a gun to keep bears or indians from breaking down your cabin door and eating you anymore. To me it seems as if a lot of super pro gun people have somewhat crazy notions that they need guns to overthrow the tyrannical government if it gets out of line, but their complaint against the government is always that they are "trying to take our guns!". I have no problem with rifles or shotguns but I don't think handguns should be legal, since in my opinon they probably cause more pain and suffering then they prevent.

I don't think it's going anywhere.

I do hear that the 1st amendment may be severely tweaked, however. Most younger adults feel that the news has too much freedom and that hate literature should be got rid of....

I think that it is no longer is as necessary as it once was. It is not like you need a gun to keep bears or indians from breaking down your cabin door and eating you anymore. To me it seems as if a lot of super pro gun people have somewhat crazy notions that they need guns to overthrow the tyrannical government if it gets out of line, but their complaint against the government is always that they are "trying to take our guns!". I have no problem with rifles or shotguns but I don't think handguns should be legal, since in my opinon they probably cause more pain and suffering then they prevent.
Dude, I live in New Jersey, the most densely populated state. We still have black bears wandering into people's yards. Also, you may not get attacked by disgruntled Indians, but you may very well get mugged by a crackhead. I own one pistol. I'm buying another tonight (a little .380 for concealed carry). My gun has never caused any suffering.

Nope. The gun-grabbers

Nothing wrong with those people. I would not mind seeing some of my relatives loose their guns. ;)

Dude, I live in New Jersey, the most densely populated state. We still have black bears wandering into people's yards. Also, you may not get attacked by disgruntled Indians, but you may very well get mugged by a crackhead. I own one pistol. I'm buying another tonight (a little .380 for concealed carry). My gun has never caused any suffering.
Black bears ain't too tough, it is really only grizzlies that you have to worry about. If any black bears wandered into my yard I think I'd just nail them with the garden hose. :mp5:

I really hope it's NOT on the way out....the fact is that this amendment is one of our strongest safeguards against tyranny.

Our founders passed this amendment on the basis that we had just fought a war for our independence. A war with guns; citizens and the militia had to provide their own arms in their battle against the government-armed British soldiers.

But besides fighting the threat from the outside, a well-armed populace can also keep the threat from within in check, lest the government grow tyrannical....
Think about what you say before you say it. That entire paragraph was completely ignorant:
You really think that an M-16 is ANYTHING against Cruise Missles and Napalms? If the government wants to kill you, you WILL die. No question about it.

I also find it funny that the party that most supports the legalization of guns is the party that has adopted the most tyrannical views. Hm.

Black bears ain't too tough, it is really only grizzlies that you have to worry about. If any black bears wandered into my yard I think I'd just nail them with the garden hose. :mp5:
Black bears are not considered agressive because they've learned to fear human hunters. In areas where they haven't been hunted for years they become agressive toward humans. There are plenty of instances where black bears have killed humans and pets.

Black bears are not considered agressive because they've learned to fear human hunters. In areas where they haven't been hunted for years they become agressive toward humans. There are plenty of instances where black bears have killed humans and pets.
I grew up in PA and there were always bears skulking around the woods but I never heard of them ever attacking anyone. I think they are too small to take on people, though Wikipedia claims they really like Rainer (but hate Busch) beer. Normally I think they are probably less dangerous than the average stray dog, but after a few brewskies they might get a a bit ornery.

"In August 2004, the New York Times reported that a wild black bear was found passed out after drinking about 36 cans of beer in Baker Lake, Washington, USA. The bear opened a camper's cooler and used its claws and teeth to puncture the cans. It was found the bear selectively opened cans of Rainier Beer and left all Busch Beer unconsumed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bears

Think about what you say before you say it. That entire paragraph was completely ignorant:
You really think that an M-16 is ANYTHING against Cruise Missles and Napalms? If the government wants to kill you, you WILL die. No question about it.
Considering that there are 80 million legal gun owners compared to the only 1 million people serving in the military, I'm feeling quite lucky, thank you :)

I also find it funny that the party that most supports the legalization of guns is the party that has adopted the most tyrannical views. Hm.
Actually, libertarians support gun rights just as vehemently as the Republicans you hint at. But I don't think we libertarians are quite tyrannical, do you?

indians from breaking down your cabin door and eating you.
Did anyone else notice this part?

I would not mind seeing some of my relatives loose their guns. ;)

You loose an arrow.

You fire a gun.

That is ... unless you meant "lose".

Did anyone else notice this part?

Yes

It made me giggle.

I grew up in PA and there were always bears skulking around the woods but I never heard of them ever attacking anyone. I think they are too small to take on people, though Wikipedia claims they really like Rainer (but hate Busch) beer. Normally I think they are probably less dangerous than the average stray dog, but after a few brewskies they might get a a bit ornery.

"In August 2004, the New York Times reported that a wild black bear was found passed out after drinking about 36 cans of beer in Baker Lake, Washington, USA. The bear opened a camper's cooler and used its claws and teeth to puncture the cans. It was found the bear selectively opened cans of Rainier Beer and left all Busch Beer unconsumed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bears
Black bear attacks are rare, but they do happen. www.pc.gc.ca/pn-np/bc/pacificrim/visit/visit9_e.asp

Considering that there are 80 million legal gun owners compared to the only 1 million people serving in the military, I'm feeling quite lucky, thank you :)


Actually, libertarians support gun rights just as vehemently as the Republicans you hint at. But I don't think we libertarians are quite tyrannical, do you?
80 million gun owners who will join an insurrection against the American government? (I'd also like to see the source on that statistic).

It'd still be damn hard to argue against F-15s. It'd be able to make the country hard to rule, but would be tough to topple the government.

Did anyone else notice this part?
Yep. I assumed it was just poor sentance structure and the "eating" part refered to the bears.

Yep. I assumed it was just poor sentance structure and the "eating" part refered to the bears.
Oh dear me I hope nobody is reporting me to the mods for racism on this. :rolleyes:

You loose an arrow.

You fire a gun.

That is ... unless you meant "lose".

Ah ok whatever......

What does he mean by second amendment is question:

http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/secondamend.html


So if he means, "The right to keep and bear arms. ": than we have never had that right in America.
I disagree, but that's a thread hijack, I suspect.

Think about what you say before you say it. That entire paragraph was completely ignorant:
You really think that an M-16 is ANYTHING against Cruise Missles and Napalms? If the government wants to kill you, you WILL die. No question about it.

I also find it funny that the party that most supports the legalization of guns is the party that has adopted the most tyrannical views. Hm.
There is so much wrong with this post it makes me sorry I ever posted on this thread! I'm outta here before I lose it! :(

Ah ok whatever......

Ahaha ... just playin' witchya ...

This thread will turn into a joke in

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Oh dear me I hope nobody is reporting me to the mods for racism on this. :rolleyes:
No, I'm just being a grammar Nazi ;)

Think about what you say before you say it. That entire paragraph was completely ignorant:
You really think that an M-16 is ANYTHING against Cruise Missles and Napalms? If the government wants to kill you, you WILL die. No question about it.

I also find it funny that the party that most supports the legalization of guns is the party that has adopted the most tyrannical views. Hm.

Try reading up on Vietnam. There is a difference, though. In vietnam, it was 75 million people total(south and north), and america with 300 million. In an american war such as described, it would be 80 million gun owners against 2 million military members(many of whom would desert most likely), with the population likely supporting the people over an oppressive government.

You can have all the planes in the world, but unless the people support the war, and you have at least close to number parity, then you cant lose.