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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/indiablast

"One person was killed and 49 were wounded when blasts rocked two cinemas in New Delhi screening a controversial film condemned by Sikhs"

See? The Muslims are not the only religion in the world to embrace anger, violence and murder as a philosophy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/indiablast
See? The Muslims are not the only religion in the world to embrace anger, violence and murder as a philosophy.

Virtually all religions have embraced or do still embrace anger, violence and murder at some point. Anyone who thinks it's just Islamic Fundamentalists is a fool.

When you consider that Islam in itself is a peaceful religion, many people are misguided on that front in believing it's all about death and destruction...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/indiablast

"One person was killed and 49 were wounded when blasts rocked two cinemas in New Delhi screening a controversial film condemned by Sikhs"

See? The Muslims are not the only religion in the world to embrace anger, violence and murder as a philosophy.

Holy crap! It's almost as if some people are violent no matter what religion they are! Shocking! You have uncovered quite the revelation, Bozzy!

Yeah, I seem to remember the Crusades... the burning times... the inquisition... David Koresh... Reverend Mooney...

If we all judged every religion by it's fanatics, we'd all be atheist... And even there you have some fanatical violent athiests.

"Christian" fighting in Ireland is another example

If we all judged every religion by it's fanatics, we'd all be atheist... And even there you have some fanatical violent athiests.
What I wanna see is some agnostic terrorists.
:D

Virtually all religions have embraced or do still embrace anger, violence and murder at some point. Anyone who thinks it's just Islamic Fundamentalists is a fool.

When you consider that Islam in itself is a peaceful religion, many people are misguided on that front in believing it's all about death and destruction...

The past is a very long time to pull ancedotes from. What matters is the present. Rogue fanatics are despicable and unfortunate for all. The real test is where the more common leadership takes it. Will they be like the Muslims who have a SUBSTANTIAL number of leaders endorcing, embracing and justifying this behavior or will they be like the protestant church, who support law enforcement against the likes of Eric Rudolph.

The Sikhs are a comparitively new religion - their reaction will be watched by many.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/indiablast

"One person was killed and 49 were wounded when blasts rocked two cinemas in New Delhi screening a controversial film condemned by Sikhs"

See? The Muslims are not the only religion in the world to embrace anger, violence and murder as a philosophy.
And this comes as some sort of surprise to you??? :confused:

It's a misconception that all terrorism is religion-based. There's religious terrorism for sure, and there's just plain old terrorism. I suspect many of the latter are agnostic.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:20eCLWojVgQJ:www.crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/PostTerrorism.htm+terrorist+%22not+religious%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Heres a heart-warming example of both sides comming together:http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1001719.php/Laura_Bush_heckled_from_both_sides_in_Jerusalem

Now all they have to do is amalgamate the groups together and the regions problems are halfway solved.

Despite the fact that it's not a Christian religion, I always had a lot of respect for the Sikhs that I've met. Punjab is one of the few areas of India that isn't plagued by beggars and the Sikhs seem to have a pretty strong moral code.

even there you have some fanatical violent athiests.
Care to give examples?

It's a misconception that all terrorism is religion-based. There's religious terrorism for sure, and there's just plain old terrorism. I suspect many of the latter are agnostic.

Indeed, most terrorism is politically motivated and localised. The globalised terrorism seems to be mostly Islamist in nature though.

Indeed, most terrorism is politically motivated and localised. The globalised terrorism seems to be mostly Islamist in nature though.

Agreed. And Islamic terrorism certainly gets most of the media coverage.

there are lots of terrorist organizations that have nothing to do with islam, these terrorist organizations are found over lots of countries, like the mafia in russia, italy and mexico, the IRA, terrorrism in Spain.etc... yet muslim organizations are considerd terrorrists.
i want to explain the formation of the terrorrist organizations in mulim countries, most of the terrorist organizations(other then el Qaeda) are disorganized fanatic people who cant even read and write, and know shit about islam, they then recieve news of a death in the family by foreign forces like USA or Israel. so he decides to establish a revengous organization to kill as mutch number of people as possible... so the only thing that can be blammed is not islam, because islam maked it clear that jihad(to fight for the sake of god) is not to be used against anyone but people who conquer Islamic holy places, and fighting them economicly, mentally, politically or militarly.

therefore the islam shouldnt be blamed, since islam calls the respect of other people, wether they are muslims, jews, christians, Hindu, Buddhist, White, Black, red, yellow, men women...
islam respects all
the basic simpple idea of islam is to respect ALL and worship god...
"the beliefes are for god, and the nation is for all"salahdine(in the 10th centuary)

Care to give examples?

My sister for one. But if you're looking for entire groups I guess PETA could count. There are also the voluntary extinction groups floating around.

one other thing, the problem in the Middle east is not because of Islam only, its becasue of the biggest oil reserves in this are, the Suez Canal(the location of the whole area) the foundation of Israel(which are europeans that emigrated to the lands of Phillistines,palistine( which included jews, muslims and christians all living together in perfect harmony)), and the several wars israel did with the complete sponsering of american weapons.
i think the only way out is, making a palistinean homeland in the whole of 67 boundries, and the claiming of jerusalem as a holy state (like the vatican)
with each religous leader ruling his sect. or just mixing Israel in the Arab league, since its foundation has broken it into half because palistine is in the heart of the region.

you should read more neutral books about islam before attcking it false attacks

For the record, it is not my intention to attack Islam. Far from it. And I believe that most of the terrorists aren't following the teachings of Mohammed.

But I do agree with a previous poster regarding global terrorism that is "Islamic in nature". Recent global terrorism has often been committed by Moslem people and frequently the perpetrators associate their action with Islam. Or at least that's how it comes across by the media.

I agree that there is non-Islamic terrorism, and lots of it. It doesn't get enough attention. There are a lot of motives for terrorists beside religion. But it's not illogical to connect the ethnicity, nationality, and religion of terrorists when they occur with frequency and have wide media coverage.

there are lots of terrorist organizations that have nothing to do with islam, these terrorist organizations are found over lots of countries, like the mafia in russia, italy and mexico, the IRA, terrorrism in Spain.etc... yet muslim organizations are considerd terrorrists.
i want to explain the formation of the terrorrist organizations in mulim countries, most of the terrorist organizations(other then el Qaeda) are disorganized fanatic people who cant even read and write, and know shit about islam, they then recieve news of a death in the family by foreign forces like USA or Israel. so he decides to establish a revengous organization to kill as mutch number of people as possible... so the only thing that can be blammed is not islam, because islam maked it clear that jihad(to fight for the sake of god) is not to be used against anyone but people who conquer Islamic holy places, and fighting them economicly, mentally, politically or militarly.

therefore the islam shouldnt be blamed, since islam calls the respect of other people, wether they are muslims, jews, christians, Hindu, Buddhist, White, Black, red, yellow, men women...
islam respects all
the basic simpple idea of islam is to respect ALL and worship god...
"the beliefes are for god, and the nation is for all"salahdine(in the 10th centuary)

Faith is a powerful motivating force - it is something that can be felt by even the simplest person. What is wrong is when political leaders use faith to whip up a storm of fanaticism to destroy the 'infidel' or 'pagan' or 'heathen' as though we were still in the ancient world. I speak against all such instances: Christian fanaticism during the crusades and the tragedy of the Inquisition, Catholic and Protestant hatred in Ireland, Hindu and Muslim violence in the Indian subcontinent. The crusades are a case in point, what happened there created an indelible stain on Muslim-Christian relations and when leaders nowadays label a war - particularly a war against muslims - a 'crusade' they're just asking for SERIOUS trouble.

It's so tragically ironic when you consider that Islam means 'peace' and 'submission to the will of Allah' and Christianity is the faith of the one who said 'love your enemies' and 'turn the other cheek'.

Cathenia

I don't think that it's fair to say global islamic terrorism but I believe that if you violate the tenents of one religion - you tread on a holy book, be it the Bible, the Koran, the words of Buddha, or force people to do acts that would violate or break their faith - you're going to inspire such disgust in all the supporters of that faith that it would awake a sleeping giant of hatred in them. Adolf Hitler, for all his evil, never threatened or tried to take over the Vatican because that would have sparked a religious war and turned even the Catholics and Christians in his own armed forces openly against him.

Cathenia

...and the several wars israel did with the complete sponsering of american weapons.


I believe you are referring to the six-day war - which was a humiliating defeat for the Arabs. For decades they've been trying to blame their defeat on American influence - even though there is no evidence of that and plenty of evidence to the contrary. Nor is there a mention of the tremendous support from the USSR which the defeated Arab nations had. Their nationalism blinds them to facts. You need to get your facts in order.

I don't think that it's fair to say global islamic terrorism but I believe that if you violate the tenents of one religion - you tread on a holy book, be it the Bible, the Koran, the words of Buddha, or force people to do acts that would violate or break their faith - you're going to inspire such disgust in all the supporters of that faith that it would awake a sleeping giant of hatred in them. Adolf Hitler, for all his evil, never threatened or tried to take over the Vatican because that would have sparked a religious war and turned even the Catholics and Christians in his own armed forces openly against him.

Cathenia

If only that were so;

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/08/poll.binladen/

and as I recall, there was little german backlash on hitler.

pretty much tanks your theory...

there are lots of terrorist organizations that have nothing to do with islam, these terrorist organizations are found over lots of countries, like the mafia in russia, italy and mexico, the IRA, terrorrism in Spain.etc... yet muslim organizations are considerd terrorrists.
i want to explain the formation of the terrorrist organizations in mulim countries, most of the terrorist organizations(other then el Qaeda) are disorganized fanatic people who cant even read and write, and know shit about islam, they then recieve news of a death in the family by foreign forces like USA or Israel. so he decides to establish a revengous organization to kill as mutch number of people as possible... so the only thing that can be blammed is not islam, because islam maked it clear that jihad(to fight for the sake of god) is not to be used against anyone but people who conquer Islamic holy places, and fighting them economicly, mentally, politically or militarly.

therefore the islam shouldnt be blamed, since islam calls the respect of other people, wether they are muslims, jews, christians, Hindu, Buddhist, White, Black, red, yellow, men women...
islam respects all
the basic simpple idea of islam is to respect ALL and worship god...
"the beliefes are for god, and the nation is for all"salahdine(in the 10th centuary)

You are really reaching here. The Mafia is not a terrorist organization - they are a crime syndicate. Big difference. There are other terrorists, such as the Basque Seperatists in Spain, however none have the worldwide support or reach of the Muslims terrorists.

Meanwhile, in the Arab and Muslim leadership we see not condemnation of the terrorists, but this;

http://www.weltpolitik.net/Sachgebiete/Internationale%20Sicherheitspolitik/Problembereiche%20und%20L%F6sungsans%E4tze/Terrorismus/Analysen/Fortsetzung1:%20Terrorism,%20Jihad,%20and%20the%20Muslim%20Community%20-%20A%20Malaysian%20Perspective.html

and this;

"The Jerusalem Post reports that according to a new survey, 59% of Palestinians believe that Hamas and Islamic Jihad should continue their armed struggle against Israel even if Israel leaves all of the West Bank and Gaza, including East Jerusalem, and a Palestinian state is created. Similarly, 80% of Palestinians say under those circumstances, the Palestinians should not give up the "right of return." The poll of 600 Palestinians, 600 Israeli Jews, and 400 Israeli Arabs was released in Washington on Wednesday by Itamar Marcus, founder of Palestinian Media Watch, and written by pollster Frank Luntz. It was conducted in late September by two polling firms, the Public Opinion Research of Israel and The Palestinian Centre for Public Opinion. The poll also examined Israeli and Palestinian attitudes towards the US and towards terrorism. Ninety-six percent of Israelis say the people who hijacked the planes on September 11 were terrorists, while 37% of Palestinians share that view. Slightly more than one in four Palestinians believe Israelis planned the 9/11 attacks. 42% of Palestinians stated that they support the people who are attacking Americans in Iraq. Zero percent of Israeli Jews said they did."
http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/528_bicom_daily_briefing.htm

You are correct in that much of the terrorist support is founded in Arab ignorance - but not the root of that ignorance - Arab leadership which perpetuates the ignorance with state-sponsored media, teaching hate, intolerance and a nationalistic view of history in schools and mosques and overal institutionalized bigotry against anyone non-arab or non-muslim.

The synonimous relationship between Arab, Muslim and terrorist is not accidental, it is the result of Arab attitude, policy and behavoir over the last fifty years.

Care to give examples?

Basically all the communist regimes, the attempted Armanian and Rwandan genocides. the only real genocide, even the Jewish Holocaust was largely non-religious.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/indiablast

"One person was killed and 49 were wounded when blasts rocked two cinemas in New Delhi screening a controversial film condemned by Sikhs"

See? The Muslims are not the only religion in the world to embrace anger, violence and murder as a philosophy.


Oh dear, what tipped you off? The Air India Bombing? Jonestown? Waco? The Tokyo Subway Gas Attack? Ot maybe it was the Jewish Extremist that gunned down inocent Moslems praying at a Mosque?