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If there was a country destroying weapon capable of taking out your country, would you die to prevent the weapon from firing? Or would the entire world have to be at stake?

To make this more difficult, all your family and loved ones are out of harms way and if you choose not to do anything about it your country will be destroyed. What choice would you make?

Kejott - you seem to have a predisposition towards dying and killing - lol

Would I die to save England's green and pleasant lands? Yes

If there was a country destroying weapon capable of taking out your country, would you die to prevent the weapon from firing? Or would the entire world have to be at stake?

To make this more difficult, all your family and loved ones are out of harms way and if you choose not to do anything about it your country will be destroyed. What choice would you make?
So let me see if I have this right ...

I have the choice to either save myself, or save millions of other people, yes?

Take a look at my signature and then you tell me. :rolleyes:

If I loved my country and the people therein then I would be willing to die for them. The entire world, no, but my country, sure.

Kejott - you seem to have a predisposition towards dying and killing - lol

Would I die to save England's green and pleasant lands? Yes

Haha, I'm just in an aggressive mood. Long day at work :p

If I loved my country and the people therein then I would be willing to die for them. The entire world, no, but my country, sure.
What the hell does whether you "love" them or not have to do with it? Jeeze!

So let me see if I have this right ...

I have the choice to either save myself, or save millions of other people, yes?

Take a look at my signature and then you tell me. :rolleyes:

You Eutrusca are exempt, as are the other veterans. I salute you *salutes and a single Denzel Washington style tear drops*

What the hell does whether you "love" them or not have to do with it? Jeeze!

It means I wouldn't die for Nazis but I would die for my fellow Americans. Good enough for ya E? Bit touchy there. :)

well I think I would in the right situation, I was going to join the RAF but because I didn't agree with the war in Iraq I decided against it

i wouldn't die for the country per se, but for the millions of people living here


the real question is: on that basis, would you die for another country?

BTW ... being so incredibly arrogant as to say that "it would have to be the entire world" that you saved before you would be willing to die for it is sick and demented.

All I can say is that any idiot who made that choice had better never, ever criticise the American military for "collateral damage!" I will splatter their allegorical blood all over the Forum's metaphorical walls!

i wouldn't die for the country per se, but for the millions of people living here

the real question is: on that basis, would you die for another country?
Let's just put it this way: I would die to save just one human being, particularly if that human were a child.

Now - I agree with 31 there.

I'd die to save England, but I wouldn't lift a finger to save France, Germany or the USA (sorry guys - but George just scares me.)

So - I'd save my own country - yes, but I wouldn't risk my neck for the world.

It means I wouldn't die for Nazis but I would die for my fellow Americans. Good enough for ya E? Bit touchy there. :)
It's a touchy topic with me. Sorry.

i wouldn't die for the country per se, but for the millions of people living here


the real question is: on that basis, would you die for another country?

Hell yes I'd die for another country. I'd die for any other human being in need, unless of course they are the epitomy of evil then I'd just ignore them.

Now - I agree with 31 there.

I'd die to save England, but I wouldn't lift a finger to save France, Germany or the USA (sorry guys - but George just scares me.)

So - I'd save my own country - yes, but I wouldn't risk my neck for the world.

Yes, but if saving my country meant that I needed to save Germany, for example, then I would die to do it. France though. . .they would have to pay me extra.

Now - I agree with 31 there.

I'd die to save England, but I wouldn't lift a finger to save France, Germany or the USA (sorry guys - but George just scares me.)

So - I'd save my own country - yes, but I wouldn't risk my neck for the world.
So you would allow millions of people to die just because you don't like something about their country? Man, that's cold! :(

Buh bye Australia!

It may be cold - but it is my own personal opinion.

As an internationalist I wouldn't die for a particular country but I would be prepared to die for humanity in the struggle against all forms of oppression and exploitation.

"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other poor bastard die for his!"
-Gen. Patton

It may be cold - but it is my own personal opinion.
And your own, incredible personal selfishness.

You're placing the same value on your own life as you place on the lives of millions of others? Tell me ... what's wrong with this picture???

And your own, incredible personal selfishness.

You're placing the same value on your own life as you place on the lives of millions of others? Tell me ... what's wrong with this picture???

Some people just aren't prepared to die, I wouldn't neccessarily say that they are cowards, but I just don't think some people are capable of making that decision.

How am I being selfish by being willing to die for my own country?
Eutrusca, back off matey

BTW ... being so incredibly arrogant as to say that "it would have to be the entire world" that you saved before you would be willing to die for it is sick and demented.

All I can say is that any idiot who made that choice had better never, ever criticise the American military for "collateral damage!" I will splatter their allegorical blood all over the Forum's metaphorical walls!Are you on some sort of medication?

:confused:

It's a touchy topic with me. Sorry.

Oh, no worries. I figured it was. Just took me aback there a bit. I believe firmly in the Constitution and would die to protect and preserve it. I would do it because I believe in that document and I love my country.
Even if drafted (which I do not imagine is going to happen anytime soon) into a conflict that I didn't particularily agree with I would go and serve and do my duty as long as I believed the people deciding to wage that war were not evil in intentions and goals.

As an internationalist I wouldn't die for a particular country but I would be prepared to die for humanity in the struggle against all forms of oppression and exploitation.
Which is just as bad as those on here who place the value of their own life above that of millions of others, maybe even worse. You're placing some objectified ideology above the lives of millions of other human beings.

If you can't fight for an ideology, then what is the point of fighting in the first place?

If you mean me dying for my country out of war, me not being in the military, and just to my own free will, I would only save the world. However, I do plan to join the USMC, so dying for my country in that way is what I would do.

I would die for any countries population as a whole if i needed to. I would not die for the government, just the innocent people.

Now - I agree with 31 there.

I'd die to save England, but I wouldn't lift a finger to save France, Germany or the USA (sorry guys - but George just scares me.)

So - I'd save my own country - yes, but I wouldn't risk my neck for the world.

And Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland?

"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other poor bastard die for his!"
-Gen. Patton

Beat Me To The Quote :headbang:

Well - if I had to ;-)

Yeh - I would, and the Channel Islands, etc

Which is just as bad as those on here who place the value of their own life above that of millions of others, maybe even worse. You're placing some objectified ideology above the lives of millions of other human beings.

I'm not placing any ideology above the lives of millions of people and I would be prepared to die in order to save many lives. I am also however committed to the struggle for socialism which is based on advancing the interests of humanity and I believe that fighting oppression is more important than fighting against other countries.

How am I being selfish by being willing to die for my own country?
Eutrusca, back off matey
You're being selfish and self-centered not because you'd be willing to die for your own country, but because you'd be unwilling to die to save millions of lives in other countries. I don't think I misread what you said in your first post, did I???

Look, guys, a human life is a human life. The ultimate statement about the value of a human life, any human life, is to be willing to die to save it. Perhaps this is too "up close and personal" for most people to handle. I don't know. But if I had the opportunity ( and I do mean "opportunity" ) to give my life so that others might live, I honestly like to believe that I would.

What mystifies me is why this is even an issue. Are millions of lives saved not worth the cost of one lost???

Let's chage the scenario a bit: would you jump into freezing water to save the life of your young biological brother or sister? How about if that child were your niece of nephew? How about if it was a next door neighbor's child? What if the child were no relation to you whatsoever, a complete stranger?

Now, change the term "child" to "nation," and the circumstances to the ones the originator of this thread posted. Still apply?

This issue places the burden squarely where it belongs: on our own backs. No fancy religious theologies, no elaborate political theories; just a simple transaction: my life for the lives of others. I rather suspect that all of our fine ideologies which many on here seem to so adamantly support, quickly dissolve in the immediacy of this question.

Good question I like to live and I wouldn't die for America Let America do something for us for a change. But I support our troops

You Eutrusca are exempt, as are the other veterans. I salute you *salutes and a single Denzel Washington style tear drops*
Thank you, but the real secret is to not need or expect any thanks. I learned that lesson the hard way. Try to do things for your own reasons and not need thanks of any sort. That way, you reward yourself for being the type of human being you can respect and admire.

Very well put Eutrusca, i agree 100%. However, some people just are too selfish to understand why they should give their life for another.(Not saying anyone in particular here).

Good question I like to live and I wouldn't die for America Let America do something for us for a change. But I support our troops

Where are you from? I have the strangest feeling that a lot of Americans have died to do things for other people, yes, I have that distinct feeling. I have the strongest suspicion that the US give shitloads of money to nations all over the world. That food is shipped out all the time to countries. Yep, whole lotta nothing.

Some people just aren't prepared to die, I wouldn't neccessarily say that they are cowards, but I just don't think some people are capable of making that decision.
It's not a matter of being a "coward." Everyone is scared shitless when they first realize that their own life is in serious danger. It's a basic, human response ... survival. The question is, "What do you do after you realize that you're scared shitless?" The so-called "hero" is just a normal human being who has forced him or herself to do what needed to be done by ignoring or overriding his or her survival instinct.

I am an anarchist so don't believe in countries.

If you can't fight for an ideology, then what is the point of fighting in the first place?
[ shakes his head in disbelief ] How about fighting for the right of other human beings to live? What part of that question don't you understand? Tell me and I'll be happy to elaborate.

It's not a matter of being a "coward." Everyone is scared shitless when they first realize that their own life is in serious danger. It's a basic, human response ... survival. The question is, "What do you do after you realize that you're scared shitless?" The so-called "hero" is just a normal human being who has forced him or herself to do what needed to be done by ignoring or overriding his or her survival instinct.

Exactly, not everyone can be "heros". There are normal people who exist in this world who aren't capable of acting when their primal emotions take over in such a fashion. I would gladly give my life for the entire population of any country, but I just don't think it's fair to bash those who couldn't do it.

Guys, I'm sorry I kinda blew up over this issue. If I offended anyone, I'm sorry. It's just a very touchy issue with me, for a wide variety of reasons. My most humble apologies. :(

Guys, I'm sorry I kinda blew up over this issue. If I offended anyone, I'm sorry. It's just a very touchy issue with me, for a wide variety of reasons. My most humble apologies. :(

Hey, I think you had some good points and I agreed with ya. You're A-OK in my book. :D

Guys, I'm sorry I kinda blew up over this issue. If I offended anyone, I'm sorry. It's just a very touchy issue with me, for a wide variety of reasons. My most humble apologies. :(

Don't worry about it. You didn't seem to say anything wrong to me.

Exactly, not everyone can be "heros". There are normal people who exist in this world who aren't capable of acting when their primal emotions take over in such a fashion. I would gladly give my life for the entire population of any country, but I just don't think it's fair to bash those who couldn't do it.
I know, and it wasn't my intent to do so. Sorry. [ see post above ]

I wouldn't die for my country. Definitely not. For the people in it, though? Maybe. I'd have no problems doing something nonviolent to help, but this scenario kinda excludes that. Short answer? I don't know. Long answer, If nobody gave me time to think about it, most probably. if not, my Todesangst would probably kick in and you'd all be doomed. Thankfully, I can't actually see a situation where this'd be necessary.

Is that selfish? Definitely and utterly. I don't believe that anyone would do it without hesitation if they realised their life was certainly forfeit. Being willing to die without question is generally not a handy survival trait.

I know, and it wasn't my intent to do so. Sorry. [ see post above ]

See my previous post above.

Don't worry about it. You didn't seem to say anything wrong to me.
More an error of degree than an error of kind. I just don't like to needlessly bash anyone ... well, maybe Fass. :D

I was going to join the RAF but because I didn't agree with the war in Iraq I decided against it

Red Army Faction? :confused: :D

More an error of degree than an error of kind. I just don't like to needlessly bash anyone ... well, maybe Fass. :D

It is perhaps not the best worded of questions I would say in that for example: I am an anarchist and so do not believe in countries. However in the scenario you put forward, I would die for "my country" (UK) not because I feel I owe it anything or that the mythical personification of a 'state' has some right to get me to die for it (or that anyone in that state has a moral authority over me). No, I would do so because I believe it would be the right thing to do i.e. saving millions of fellow human beings.

Hope that will suffice.

It's incredible how many people think that dying for something is so easy. As if you won't be afraid and so on. Would I die for my country? Nah, not really. Would I die for France, Great Britain, or the US? Over my dead body (ironic, isn't it). I don't see why I would die for anyone else, to be honest. Not like they did anything to deserve protection. But thankfully there are enough people who would simply die for someone they don't know.

It's incredible how many people think that dying for something is so easy. As if you won't be afraid and so on. Would I die for my country? Nah, not really. Would I die for France, Great Britain, or the US? Over my dead body (ironic, isn't it). I don't see why I would die for anyone else, to be honest. Not like they did anything to deserve protection. But thankfully there are enough people who would simply die for someone they don't know.

I think quite a few of us who would be willing are also quite aware just how terrifying and difficult it would be. Still wouldn't change our initial actions to put ourselves in harms way.

I wouldn't die for my country. Definitely not. For the people in it, though? Maybe. I'd have no problems doing something nonviolent to help, but this scenario kinda excludes that. Short answer? I don't know. Long answer, If nobody gave me time to think about it, most probably. if not, my Todesangst would probably kick in and you'd all be doomed. Thankfully, I can't actually see a situation where this'd be necessary.

Is that selfish? Definitely and utterly. I don't believe that anyone would do it without hesitation if they realised their life was certainly forfeit. Being willing to die without question is generally not a handy survival trait.
I've never known anyone who died without question. Some didn't have time to really think about it, but those are a special category.

It is perhaps not the best worded of questions I would say in that for example: I am an anarchist and so do not believe in countries. However in the scenario you put forward, I would die for "my country" (UK) not because I feel I owe it anything or that the mythical personification of a 'state' has some right to get me to die for it (or that anyone in that state has a moral authority over me). No, I would do so because I believe it would be the right thing to do i.e. saving millions of fellow human beings.

Hope that will suffice.
Good for you! As others have pointed out in this thread, it's easy to talk about, not so easy to do. Those few times when I thought my number was up, I rationalized my actions by thinking, "Well, if I'm gonna die, I may as well do it right." Ah, the power of rationalization! :)

I think quite a few of us who would be willing are also quite aware just how terrifying and difficult it would be. Still wouldn't change our initial actions to put ourselves in harms way.
Heh! Yup!

I remember the very first time it hit me that someone was trying to kill me. Not just throwing rounds in my general direction, but actually aiming at me! [ shudders ] I remember thinking, "WTF, over? This guy is actually aiming at me! And he has no idea what a nice guy I am!" ROFL!

Heh! Yup!

I remember the very first time it hit me that someone was trying to kill me. Not just throwing rounds in my general direction, but actually aiming at me! [ shudders ] I remember thinking, "WTF, over? This guy is actually aiming at me! And he has no idea what a nice guy I am!" ROFL!

Haha, I think that's how I'd react if I were ever engaged in infantry combat. I'm a nice guy! I really am! :p

Haha, I think that's how I'd react if I were ever engaged in infantry combat. I'm a nice guy! I really am! :p
I'm sure you are, but you see, they don't know that! :D

Heh! Yup!

I remember the very first time it hit me that someone was trying to kill me. Not just throwing rounds in my general direction, but actually aiming at me! [ shudders ] I remember thinking, "WTF, over? This guy is actually aiming at me! And he has no idea what a nice guy I am!" ROFL!

I think that would probably be my reaction as well. Before you are in that postion and when first in it there would seem a certain unreality to it, or a distance. As if, I am here but it is not really going to effect me. But then when it became obvious it would be a bit shocking or surprising.
One of my biggest regrets was that I was not able to join the service. Not that I had some vision of glory in battle or junk like that, I just respected service so much and did so since I was a child.

I don't even need a country, I already settle for a busload of children or a girl I love.

I think that would probably be my reaction as well. Before you are in that postion and when first in it there would seem a certain unreality to it, or a distance. As if, I am here but it is not really going to effect me. But then when it became obvious it would be a bit shocking or surprising.
One of my biggest regrets was that I was not able to join the service. Not that I had some vision of glory in battle or junk like that, I just respected service so much and did so since I was a child.
Yeah. It's just like someone dumped a bucket of ice-cold water over you.

I was one of those damnfools who had visions of glory in his head when he first went in. The reality of it has a way of taking that totally out of your head, for most people anyway.

Eutrusca matey - I get from the tone of your posts in this topic that you've been involved in some sort of conflict. I personally haven't, so I can't and won't make any stupid attempt to try and understand what that must have been like.

I do know, however, that my brother (a Lt Col) was sent over to Iraq in the first wave of UK troops. When he came back, he said it was the worst possible experience of his life, and that he had seen many of his good friends injured, and even killed - for a cause that the majority of the British people don't even believe in.

I'm not going to debate the ethics of the Iraqi war here - that can be done elsewhere, but he went out there and did what he was ordered to do. Did he enjoy fighting for another country, in another country? No.

That's all that I have to say on the matter - except that that is where I get my own personal ideology that I believe in protecting my own country and would die to save it, but I wouldn't necessarily die to save another.

Now, you may not agree with me there - but I'd ask that you respect my opinion.

Eh, screw my country. I'll live, who cares where ya know? Of course, if fighting comes to me, then I don't care who you are, you're lowering my property value with all your blowing stuff up, so leave before you get shot.

Nationality is irrelavent to me, almost as much as race is, but I would probably save people after weighing every possible outcome, one live or millions upon millions live instead.

As a side note, look at all of you! Willing to save other people at your own expense, Ayn Rand would be rolling in her grave.

Eutrusca matey - I get from the tone of your posts in this topic that you've been involved in some sort of conflict. I personally haven't, so I can't and won't make any stupid attempt to try and understand what that must have been like.

I do know, however, that my brother (a Lt Col) was sent over to Iraq in the first wave of UK troops. When he came back, he said it was the worst possible experience of his life, and that he had seen many of his good friends injured, and even killed - for a cause that the majority of the British people don't even believe in.

I'm not going to debate the ethics of the Iraqi war here - that can be done elsewhere, but he went out there and did what he was ordered to do. Did he enjoy fighting for another country, in another country? No.

That's all that I have to say on the matter - except that that is where I get my own personal ideology that I believe in protecting my own country and would die to save it, but I wouldn't necessarily die to save another.

Now, you may not agree with me there - but I'd ask that you respect my opinion.
I think we probably feel pretty much the same way about this. We just need to make a differentiation between the country and the people. I wouldn't die for another county, although I would like to think that I would be able to give my life for the people of any country.

I would die to defend my country, probably. Otherwise, no.

If there was a country destroying weapon capable of taking out your country, would you die to prevent the weapon from firing? Or would the entire world have to be at stake?
i would die to save the people who would be killed otherwise, not for my country

To make this more difficult, all your family and loved ones are out of harms way and if you choose not to do anything about it your country will be destroyed. What choice would you make?
if nobody was going to be killed, then no, who cares its just a country

Surely all but the most selfish people would die rather than watch millions of other people die, knowing they - personally - could have stopped it. I genuinely think that if it was actually a direct choice between your own death and the death of millions, most people would choose death. For one thing, how would you live with the guilt?

It worries me that people only see the value in saving the human lives in their own country. Fair enough, you're going to value your friends and family more than other lives, but other than that? Valuing a Scottish life over all other lives doesn't appeal to me much at all.

I think we probably feel pretty much the same way about this. We just need to make a differentiation between the country and the people. I wouldn't die for another county, although I would like to think that I would be able to give my life for the people of any country.

Fair point :)

I made up my mind on this topic a long time ago.

I do not agree with everything that happens in my country. I dont like the current leaders, I dont like my neighbors and frankly, parliment farts around too much.

I'd die for it in a heartbeat.

Nobody ever won a war by dying for his country. He won by making the other poor idiot die for his country.

Sorry, had to be said.

Funny thing to ask. If I did nothing then I'd have all I ever wanted: family, friends, Peace and Quiet.
Also hard because the world is such a nasty place. And yet it is so green a wonderful in WA USA. (lived here all my life so I'm sort of biazed)
I would die to save it because I'm me. It's sort of odd, but I am a nautral leader and protector... so I'd have to save them.

No, I wouldn't die for my country. I wouldn't die for the rest of the world, either.

If there was a country destroying weapon capable of taking out your country, would you die to prevent the weapon from firing? Or would the entire world have to be at stake?

To make this more difficult, all your family and loved ones are out of harms way and if you choose not to do anything about it your country will be destroyed. What choice would you make?lets add more juice to the story...
the CIA director sends some CIA agents to your home...they show ID and bring you to the White House...

the President and the Genereals tell you that they have 100% reliable proof that a new weapon can destroy all your country...and that you are the only one (for whatever complicetd reason) that can destroy the new weapon...

<<scenario assuming you are a US citizen...

or just imagine you were a US citizen<<...what would you do?

lets add more juice to the story...
the CIA director sends some CIA agents to your home...they show ID and bring you to the White House...

the President and the Genereals tell you that they have 100% reliable proof that a new weapon can destroy all your country...and that you are the only one (for whatever complicetd reason) that can destroy the new weapon...

<<scenario assuming you are a US citizen...

or just imagine you were a US citizen<<...what would you do?
Say, "Just make sure my family is well provieded for. Where do I sign?" :D

It is far better to help the poor fools on the other side die for their cause than it is to die for your own.

lets add more juice to the story...
the CIA director sends some CIA agents to your home...they show ID and bring you to the White House...

the President and the Genereals tell you that they have 100% reliable proof that a new weapon can destroy all your country...and that you are the only one (for whatever complicetd reason) that can destroy the new weapon...

<<scenario assuming you are a US citizen...

or just imagine you were a US citizen<<...what would you do?

What's the problem? Is it that by destroying the weapon you'd be destroyed with it? Or, that there is some risk to getting caught? What?

Is your choice to die or to either risk getting caught and get executed or to get caught and live when everyone else dies?


If you're going to die, at least die saving others.


How about this scenario: the bad guys have a scientist who has the plans for the weapon in his head...he's on vacation and you could get to him...would you kill him "for your country"?

Or, you're a grunt in a combat unit...you're given a sniper rifle and told where and when the enemy's commander will be eating breakfast...will you kill him?

What's the problem? actually...my problem is blindly trusting the Gov...and ultimately trusting the CIA...

I would have to see all the proof they have...and I would not take a "its clasiffied" for an answer...

under some extreme circunstanses..I could turn into a "patriot"...but never into a "blind patriot".


but like I said thats MY problem...If you do trust the spy agencies...its your choice...its your life.

actually...my problem would trusting the Gov...and ultimately trusting the CIA...

I would have to see all the proof they have...and I would not take a "its clasiffied" for an answer...

under some extreme circunstanses..I could turn into a "patriot"...but never into a "blind patriot".
That's just one more reason for them to call me rather than you! :D

That's just one more reason for them to call me rather than you! :Dand thats one reason for me...to apreciate you being there...

thank you.

If there was a country destroying weapon capable of taking out your country, would you die to prevent the weapon from firing? Or would the entire world have to be at stake?

To make this more difficult, all your family and loved ones are out of harms way and if you choose not to do anything about it your country will be destroyed. What choice would you make?


Uhh, no.

Only if my country was in direct attack. Start landing shit here, you will see a lot of people rise up to help one another, regardless of political or moral agendas.

WAIT --> " To make this more difficult, all your family and loved ones are out of harms way and if you choose not to do anything about it your country will be destroyed "

If our military wasn't able to handle it themselves.. most definatly... I'd fight. What the hell else should I do? Only other option is leave. And I'm not fond of running. But can't mark in stone what I would do if that fact came about. But I really can't see myself hauling ass when enemies are running around in my town killing innocent folk.

I'd do what my instinct told me to at the moment I accessed the situation.

actually...my problem is blindly trusting the Gov...and ultimately trusting the CIA...

I would have to see all the proof they have...and I would not take a "its clasiffied" for an answer...

under some extreme circunstanses..I could turn into a "patriot"...but never into a "blind patriot".


but like I said thats MY problem...If you do trust the spy agencies...its your choice...its your life.


Actually, I wasn't trying to be a smart-ass....I just didn't understand the scenario well. I did understand the basic situation of whether to trust those guys.

I don't "trust" any spy agencies. However, if my combat commander handed me a sniper rifle and told me that Colonel "X" of the bad guys ate breakfast at 7:00am, the Colonel woudn't finish his scrambled eggs.

LOL did he say "bad guys"

How about this scenario: the bad guys have a scientist who has the plans for the weapon in his head...he's on vacation and you could get to him...would you kill him "for your country"?No, i would pass.

...the there is something the CIA is not telling me...

scientist always make blueprits of important research and and for weapons there is usually a team of scisntist assisting him...how in hell can the CIA tell me the plans are only this one man head.

...and how can the CIA proove that they will use this weapon against my Country...sounds preemtive to me.

Yup.

Unless, of course, my country turned evil A.K.A Republic=Galactic Empire style. Then I'd die to change my country back.

Or, you're a grunt in a combat unit...you're given a sniper rifle and told where and when the enemy's commander will be eating breakfast...will you kill him?
Yes, YES I would.

when you say I am a Grunt...I am assuming that I enrolled the figth...(and the only possible scenario is that my Country has been invaded...or that I am 100% sure its for a noble cause)

I don't "trust" any spy agencies. However, if my combat commander handed me a sniper rifle and told me that Colonel "X" of the bad guys ate breakfast at 7:00am, the Colonel woudn't finish his scrambled eggs.same here...I would disperse his scrambled brains over his scrambled eggs. :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

Yes, YES I would.

when you say I am a Grunt...I am assuming that I enrolled the figth...(and the only possible scenario is that my Country has been invaded...or that I am 100% sure its for a noble cause)


I'd rather kill the "bad guy" (yes, I said it) in his country then in mine.

I'd rather kill the "bad guy" (yes, I said it) in his country then in mine.
like I said if my country has not been invaded...there is almost no chance to enroll me in your war...

and thats one reason for me...to apreciate you being there...

thank you.
You're most welcome. Now, if you will, contact your congressman and senator and request that they increase veterans' pay! :D

You're most welcome. Now, if you will, contact your congressman and senator and request that they increase veterans' pay! :D


No shit. I agree.

You're most welcome. Now, if you will, contact your congressman and senator and request that they increase veterans' pay! :Dwill do that.
u guys desevre a lot...

LOL!

Wow! I was just kidding, you guys! But thanks ... a lot!!! :D

like I said if my country has not been invaded...there is almost no chance to enroll me in your war...

And Hitler swept through Europe...

If it weren't for the Russians fighting to the death on the eastern front and ultimately for the US joining the war, all Europeans would be goose-stepping in unison right now...

Ultimately, just how many millions upon millions of people died?

Why should I being willing to fight for you if you're not willing to have fought for those millions who died?

Hell yes I'd die for another country. I'd die for any other human being in need, unless of course they are the epitomy of evil then I'd just ignore them.

That can get a tad bit sticky in translation though. Heck while I am in Iraq I figure I am showing I am willing to die for my country. By the same token, so is the Iraqi guerrila fighter who is trying to kill me. I think we both figure we are the epitomy of evil

LOL!

Wow! I was just kidding, you guys! But thanks ... a lot!!! :D


You were kidding about Veterans Pay? From what I've seen many veteran's do not get what they deserve.


I give to the PVA. If I ever find out its a crock of shit and them PVA's aren't getting what I send.. I'll be a pissed off bitch.

And Hitler swept through Europe...

If it weren't for the Russians fighting to the death on the eastern front and ultimately for the US joining the war, all Europeans would be goose-stepping in unison right now...
Both Russia and US were bombed by Germany or Japan.

Why should I being willing to fight for you?you should not !!

That can get a tad bit sticky in translation though. Heck while I am in Iraq I figure I am showing I am willing to die for my country. By the same token, so is the Iraqi guerrila fighter who is trying to kill me. I think we both figure we are the epitomy of evilin War there is a lot of smoke screens...
most soldiers are never able to put themselves on the boots of "the enemy"...

the ones that are able to...have the potential to be Commanders...Generals...senators...anything..

congrats...you are special.

It doesn't matter whose country it is. Of course I'd die to save the people of the U.S., because I don't want to see 300 million people destroyed.

I wouldnt die for my country. I wouldn't die for the earth. Assuming I could live in some way, for any time longer, I would choose my life first.

It doesn't matter whose country it is. Of course I'd die to save the people of the U.S., because I don't want to see 300 million people destroyed.

I'm not sure you've thought this through. These are AMERICANS you're talking about. Gun-totting trigger happy AMERICANS.

"My country, right or wrong."

it depends what my country has become at the time, if it is under act government then there is no way in hell, if it is under american control then there is no way in hell.

but i would die to save russia, and the ideals of communism, in fact if it was a choice between canada, or new zealand and russia, i wolud choose russia over my home countries.

DIE FOR THE MOTHERLAND!!!

Die for my country? No.

Die for my countrymen? Yes.

This "green and pleasant land" can sod off, however sacrifice one life to save 60 million. It would be crazy (or sociopathic or something) not to.

So i agree not for the country but for the people.

Hrm, I accidently put my vote in for it having to be the whole world rather than other as I meant it, I had misread the statement. I would not die for my country, as in go to war to kill others and end up dying in the process. I would however, die to save another person (peoples) lives, regardless of where they are from. So basically, I would die to save a person, people, my country, any country, so long as it doesn't involve harming or ending other peoples lives too in the process.

Would I die for Australia??? *pondering* No, I don't think I'm attached enough to Australia, and my heart lies in two other countries to boot (not literally, of course)...

My country isn't worth dying for.

Parduna is a great country imho, but I wouldn't die for it, it's still just a number of bits and bytes.
Oh, you didn't mean *this* country?! You meant the place I'm living at?!
That's not *my* country. I'm only second class below-citizen here.
No, I wouldn't die for this someone-elses-property.
There is one person I would gladly die to save from any harm.
You may call me selfish, I don't mind. And I absolutely don't expect anybody to die on my behalf.