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We haven't had one of these threads in a while, so I'm doing one.

Well, what are your favorite Punk Rock bands? Real ones, please. Not Blink 182 or Good Charlotte, or anything like that... Anyway, my top five.

#1: Sex Pistols - A true wall of sound, like nothing else you'll ever hear. The lyrics still confuse people, showing just how deep they are.
#2: Ramones - Fun, good-time music with catchy lyrics. Great chorus lines.
#3: Buzzcocks - The epitome of Pop-Punk: Attitude, speed, and catchy tunes.
#4: Dead Kennedys - Hardcore with a touch of quality. Incredible guitarwork by East Bay Ray.
#5: The Damned - Best-described as a mix between Hardcore and Goth. Good stuff.

Post yours, and discuss! Oh, and there's no poll. Polls are too limiting.

Ah, come on... Nobody wants to join in?

I dunno if they're even Punk Rock, cause I'm more an Acid Jazz/Funk listener, but:

Guitar Wolf
Misfits
Mclusky

I dunno if they're even Punk Rock, cause I'm more an Acid Jazz/Funk listener, but:

Guitar Wolf
Misfits
Mclusky

Heh, I forgot about the Misfits!

I ain't no god damn son of a bitch
You better think about it, baby
I ain't no god damn son of a bitch
You better think about it baby, baby

In no particular order:

The Clash
The Jam
Ramones
Buzzcocks
Sex Pistols
The Distillers
The Hives (before they singed to a major)
The Libertines

I'm a huge Clash fan, myself. I like the Pistols a lot as well, but while their sound really was the basis for just about all the punk that followed, I'm put off by their manager and Vicious. Joey Ramone even said himself that they seemed phoney, especially Sid. But it's still good stuff.

I'm of the 90s generation, so I like the stuff that's happening right now:
Green Day
NoFX
Atom & His Package
etc.

Green Day, most definitely

Punk is awful.

Dunno if they really count, but the Dresden Dolls are "Brechtian Punk Cabaret" ...

I'm more of a ska fan myself.

Of course it is, Drake. That's one of the reasons we like it so much.

I'm a huge Clash fan, myself. I like the Pistols a lot as well, but while their sound really was the basis for just about all the punk that followed, I'm put off by their manager and Vicious. Joey Ramone even said himself that they seemed phoney, especially Sid. But it's still good stuff.

Haha, Joey Ramone didn't even know anything about the band. McLaren was the dork who spread all the bullshit about the band, because he thought it would bring him fame and fortune. Didn't work, Malckie! All it did was get him in a lawsuit, where he lost millions. The band hated the manager, and they finally got compensation.

Sid Vicious wasn't a phony. He may have seemed like it near the end, but that was due to the heroin addiction. He really was learning to play, as is noticeable on the "Live In Trondheim" recordings. It's sad that he got into drugs.

Sid Vicious spent some time with the Ramones backstage before the Roundhouse show. He loved the band, and Dee Dee showed him some bass pointers. Joey, however, made up a lot of bullshit that never happened, such as "giving John a cup of beer that had piss in it". Turns out what really happened is they all wanted to talk to him, but he was scared off because it looked like they wanted to beat the shit out of him. He said a quick "hello" and walked off.

Where do I get all this information? I browse google. A lot.

Punk is awful.

Agreed.

Frenzal Rhomb

Green Day, most definitely

I like them, but do they really count as punk? You might as well say Blink 182 do.

this is a little story about the little punk rock queer.

one day there was a little punk rock queer. he lived in the little punk "rock" queer star syatem 50k light years from earth. one day he got a package in the mail, he opened it without first asking a parent. *the package exploded* he died for concidering Punk "rock" worth-while or worth-a-crap. however the biggest mistake was in the fact that he liked it, despite the fact that it is an abomination to the music industry.

and what was the moral of the story?... "DONT LISTEN TO HORRIBLE CRAP, PRETENDING TO BE MUSIC!..?" ...... ..... yea something like that.

Thanks for playing. wasnt that a fun story?

Reinacting the berlin wall:
:headbang: :sniper: :eek: :mp5: :eek: :(

YAY!!!

this is a little story about the little punk rock queer.

one day there was a little punk rock queer. he lived in the little punk "rock" queer star syatem 50k light years from earth. one day he got a package in the mail, he opened it without first asking a parent. *the package exploded* he died for concidering Punk "rock" worth-while or worth-a-crap. however the biggest mistake was in the fact that he liked it, despite the fact that it is an abomination to the music industry.

and what was the moral of the story?... "DONT LISTEN TO HORRIBLE CRAP, PRETENDING TO BE MUSIC!..?" ...... ..... yea something like that.

Thanks for playing. wasnt that a fun story?

Reinacting the berlin wall:
:headbang: :sniper: :eek: :mp5: :eek: :(

YAY!!!

Was this really necessary?

Meh...I'm more of a metal fan, actually.

However, I think it's a bit unfair to make the blanket statement that "punk is awful."
Sure, some punk IS quite awful, but it's really wrong to dismiss an entire genre of music just because you dislike what you've heard.

Was this really necessary?
Of course it was. All punk rockers MUST be stupid, weird, insane, and "queer". This is, of course, a bad thing. Did you not get the memo? :rolleyes:

Meh...I'm more of a metal fan, actually.

However, I think it's a bit unfair to make the blanket statement that "punk is awful."
Sure, some punk IS quite awful, but it's really wrong to dismiss an entire genre of music just because you dislike what you've heard.

Exactly. And, a lot of people don't understand the good stuff. Music doesn't have to be extremely complex to be good, you know. Rock 'n' Roll was never about complexity. It was about having fun.

Of course it was. All punk rockers MUST be "queer". Have you not heard this before? :rolleyes:

Yeah, but I really expected a more intelligent troll flame.

Like I said before, I'm fine with people calling punk-rock awful, because musically speaking, it's not much at all. Incredibly simple, great rock-and-roll. I think you either get it or you don't, for what it is. I wish you trolls would actually say why you think it's awful or bugger off.

As for Sid, he was no good. I mean, it's not just that he couldn't play, he couldn't play punk. The Ramones could hardly 'play,' but Johnny knew his chords. From what I know, Sid idolized Dee Dee and tried to replicate him, but had none of the talent. And as much as I like the Pistols for all you've said, Potaria, McLaren was the manager. He did use them to sell clothes at 'Sex' whether or not they approved, he cheapened them, no matter what their intentions were. Steve Jones even said he was just in it for the girls. And don't forget Rotten's "ever get the feeling you're being cheated?" This certainly shows something about what was going on. I'm glad he got his compensation, though, as you said.

Because of McLaren's 'contributions,' I think a lot less of them. He did have a lot of influence. But I don't pass them off as complete fakes. They were pretty much the epitomy of punk, apart from McLaren.

The thing that really got me, though, were the $50 Pistols and Ramones shirts I saw in a suburban department store.

My girlfriend is a punk rocker and that is why she's HAWT! :eek:

Like I said before, I'm fine with people calling punk-rock awful, because musically speaking, it's not much at all. Incredibly simple, great rock-and-roll. I think you either get it or you don't, for what it is.

I'm not an expert on the punk genre and whatnot, but I think a song that "isn't much" can actually be better than an extremely long and complex song, if played well. If you can express yourself in a two minute song, then there's no problem.

The people I know who hate punk (and they are mostly metal fans, like myself) dislike punk because it's "simple-minded pussy music." Whatever that means. :confused:

I prefer ska over punk, but here's my list:

The Ramones
The Clash
The Misfits
The Dead Kennedys
Black Flag
The Buzzcocks

Like I said before, I'm fine with people calling punk-rock awful, because musically speaking, it's not much at all. Incredibly simple, great rock-and-roll. I think you either get it or you don't, for what it is. I wish you trolls would actually say why you think it's awful or bugger off.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

As for Sid, he was no good. I mean, it's not just that he couldn't play, he couldn't play punk. The Ramones could hardly 'play,' but Johnny knew his chords. From what I know, Sid idolized Dee Dee and tried to replicate him, but had none of the talent. And as much as I like the Pistols for all you've said, Potaria, McLaren was the manager. He did use them to sell clothes at 'Sex' whether or not they approved, he cheapened them, no matter what their intentions were. Steve Jones even said he was just in it for the girls. And don't forget Rotten's "ever get the feeling you're being cheated?" This certainly shows something about what was going on. I'm glad he got his compensation, though, as you said.

1: Sid was good until about September of 1977, when Nancy was getting enough money to fund their addictions. He *was* learning to play bass, and he had a sound mind. Listen to some interviews, and you'll see what I mean. He was serious about what he was doing... Drugs made him a moron.

2: McLaren did use their popularity to sell clothing, and the band hated him for doing this. Malcolm had undisclosed clauses in contracts that the band signed, of which they didn't know about until after they split up. One of the clauses was Malcolm's "right to the name of Johnny Rotten" if he were to ever leave the group. Once again, he got what was coming to him. He got his ass sued.

3: Heh, you have to know when Steve's joking. This is up there with the whole "Chris Spedding playing our early gigs" thing. Steve was in it mainly for the music... Also for the girls.

4: Yep. Rotten was cheated by everyone --- Malcolm, for his bullshit, Sid, for his addiction and his new-found stupidity, and their so-called "fans", who threw anything from paper to syringes at them, all while spitting and blowing snot.

Because of McLaren's 'contributions,' I think a lot less of them. He did have a lot of influence. But I don't pass them off as complete fakes. They were pretty much the epitomy of punk, apart from McLaren.

Think of it this way: The band had no control over what he was doing. They didn't want him doing his bullshit, but he did it anyway. McLaren is the one of which you should think a lot less... Not the band. It wasn't their fault.

The thing that really got me, though, were the $50 Pistols and Ramones shirts I saw in a suburban department store.

You can thank Malcolm for the shitty product. Once again, this was something the band had no control over, until all four original members won the rights to the Glitterbest label in 1986. Sadly, that was too late, because Malcolm already sold licensing rights to other companies... You know how that goes.

And the Ramones? Well, I dunno what to say about their shirts, mainly because I don't know about their management situation. If they were for it, well, that's fine.

Yeah, I agree completely. I think that a lot of it is also the energy and feeling that goes into making the song. And the lyrics are pretty important in punk, too, I think. Most punk isn't long, but I was more thinking of the simple chord progressions and stuff. The lack is complexity is one of the reasons it's not considered a high form of music, but that's also part of its beauty. And punk shows are damn fun.

Punk is awful.

That's the whole point of punk!

They can't play their instruments or sing to save their lives, but the whole point of it is doing stuff you can't because you can!

And, for the record, Green Day suck. :p

Yeah, I agree completely. I think that a lot of it is also the energy and feeling that goes into making the song. And the lyrics are pretty important in punk, too, I think. Most punk isn't long, but I was more thinking of the simple chord progressions and stuff. The lack is complexity is one of the reasons it's not considered a high form of music, but that's also part of its beauty. And punk shows are damn fun.

Haha. Ever seen Pistols videos? Total fucking CHAOS in the crowds!

That's the whole point of punk!

They can't play their instruments or sing to save their lives, but the whole point of it is doing stuff you can't because you can!

And, for the record, Green Day suck. :p

Qwah? Can't play their instruments or sing, eh?

Ah, I was writing the above post in response to the one above Potaria's(in case of any confusion).

I'm glad to hear that about the Pistols, Pot. It makes me feel a lot better!

My problem with the Ramones shirt is that none of them would've been able to afford such a product when they were playing! You'd think they'd remember their roots, at least(well, perhaps not Johnny "I think all punks should be right-wing" Ramone).

Ah, I was writing the above post in response to the one above Potaria's(in case of any confusion).

I'm glad to hear that about the Pistols, Pot. It makes me feel a lot better!

My problem with the Ramones shirt is that none of them would've been able to afford such a product when they were playing! You'd think they'd remember their roots, at least(well, perhaps not Johnny "I think all punks should be right-wing" Ramone).

Don't mention it. You just didn't know as much about them --- Almost everyone makes the same assumptions. You have to search long and hard for the good info on the band. It's all out there.

Oh god, Johnny Ramone. What a dick! He was probably the reason they started selling expensive shirts. He was a capitalist dork who adored Rush Limbaugh, not to mention he was the key reason they split up (he insulted Joey, took his girlfriend, and stopped talking to everyone).

*shudder*

Qwah? Can't play their instruments or sing, eh?

Well, he's got something of a point. But those guys can hammer out chords very well and scream like nobody's buisness!

"Punk: The ultimate democratic music
anyone can play it"

Read you last post more closely

Well, he's got something of a point. But those guys can hammer out chords very well and scream like nobody's buisness!

"Punk: The ultimate democratic music
anyone can play it"

True, true. However, just being able to play power chords and the occasional solo doesn't mean they're unable to play their instruments.

Steve Jones could play like he meant it. I've got some Pistols demos that show this is fact... Not to mention his later work with the Professionals, among other groups.

By the way, I don't know if you know this or not, but 'The KKK Took My Baby Away' is about Johnny stealing Joey's girlfriend. Loser indeed.

Ah, so that's what it's about! Hahaha.

Yeah, I can see him as KKK, I think...

True, true. However, just being able to play power chords and the occasional solo doesn't mean they're unable to play their instruments.

Steve Jones could play like he meant it. I've got some Pistols demos that show this is fact... Not to mention his later work with the Professionals, among other groups.

Yes, and Mick Jones(Clash) had many nice lead bits as well.

Yes, and Mick Jones(Clash) had many nice lead bits as well.

Mick Jones is a damn good guitarist, though he's still not as good as Jonesy.

Jonesy was Johnny Ramone's inspiration for the Road To Ruin album. Steve had learned to play so well in such a short amount of time that Johnny felt the need to enhance the sound of his band... Which is why Road To Ruin sounds so precise.

Listen to the Professionals, Steve Jones and Paul Cook's band after the Pistols split. You'll see what I mean about Jonesy's playing ability (even still, he's not going all-out).

Thanks, I'll check them out.

Hmm, I suppose Johnny might feel threatened, him only knowing chords and all. The Ramones greatness really doesn't lie in their musical acumen at all.

Thanks, I'll check them out.

Hmm, I suppose Johnny might feel threatened, him only knowing chords and all. The Ramones greatness really doesn't lie in their musical acumen at all.

The Ramones were all about fun. It didn't matter if their songs only had four chords, or that most of their songs used a variation of the Blitzkrieg Bop riff. It was all about the energy and the atmosphere. Oh, it sounded good, too.

Yeah, I love the Ramones for all of that. Like you said, it doesn't matter how simple the formula was, it sounded great. And the fun, too.

Yeah, I love the Ramones for all of that. Like you said, it doesn't matter how simple the formula was, it sounded great. And the fun, too.

Yep!

Green Day, most definitely
I like Green Day, they're one of the better rock bands bands of today, and although they sometimes do stuff that's playing towards the mainstream a little too much, I still think something can be good and popular at the same time.

But they are most certainly not punk music. Punk is dead, it has been for 25 years, and no band since then has been truly a punk group. Vague similarities, maybe, but nothing really the same.

I'm a fan of Dead Kennedys and Ramones, myself.

I know what you mean when you say that punk is dead. Greenday is Greeenday, I like some of their stuff, not the rest. I think that if it can be done, defining a band by itself is the best thing to do. But they're not punk rock, not in an arena like they play.

I know what you mean when you say that punk is dead. Greenday is Greeenday, I like some of their stuff, not the rest. I think that if it can be done, defining a band by itself is the best thing to do. But they're not punk rock, not in an arena like they play.

What? You can play Punk Rock in arenas. The Ramones did it, The Clash did it, and the Sex Pistols have done it. It's the way the music is, and yeah, Green Day is mainstream for the most part.

Okay, I love Green Day (they're my favorite band), but I don't think they qualify as punk. Personally, my favorite GD stuff is back when they were playing something similar to punk (Insomniac is their best CD, "Panic Song" their best song), but I'm still not sure I'd call them that.

Next point. To whoever said people who play punk were stupid, I have an answer. Greg Gaffin. I believe he double-majored at UCLA and has a PhD from Cornell.

Now, on to my favorite punk bands. I haven't really listened to many, so I won't list them. I've listened to lots of psuedo-punk (Green Day, the Vandals) and some is good, some isn't (Good Charlotte, Simple Plan, die!!!), but as far as actually punk bands, I don't have many complete CDs. I've heard single songs for lots of them ("I Am A Revanent" by the Distillers is AMAZING), but not enough to call them my favorites.

Top 2 (2 that are actually awesome)

1. Bad Religion
2. (very close second) Dead Kennedys

others that I've heard a bit of and rather like, but not enough to be called my favorites

3. NOFX
4. Minor Threat
5. Ramones

-snip-

Listen to the Sex Pistols, the Buzzcocks, The Clash, and The Damned. That's a good deal of the earliest Punk Rock :D.

We haven't had one of these threads in a while, so I'm doing one.

Well, what are your favorite Punk Rock bands? Real ones, please. Not Blink 182 or Good Charlotte, or anything like that... Anyway, my top five.

#1: Sex Pistols - A true wall of sound, like nothing else you'll ever hear. The lyrics still confuse people, showing just how deep they are.
#2: Ramones - Fun, good-time music with catchy lyrics. Great chorus lines.
#3: Buzzcocks - The epitome of Pop-Punk: Attitude, speed, and catchy tunes.
#4: Dead Kennedys - Hardcore with a touch of quality. Incredible guitarwork by East Bay Ray.
#5: The Damned - Best-described as a mix between Hardcore and Goth. Good stuff.

Post yours, and discuss! Oh, and there's no poll. Polls are too limiting.

THANK YOU! Someone who appreciates real punk! You should check out The Misfits.

THANK YOU! Someone who appreciates real punk! You should check out The Misfits.

I have... But, only one song. Where Eagles Dare, and I fucking love it.

Tsunami Bomb, Anti-Flag

I have... But, only one song. Where Eagles Dare, and I fucking love it.

Great song...You should buy collections 1 & 2. MAKE SURE YOU DON'T BUY THEIR NEW STUFF!

Best albums:

Earth A.D.
Legacy Of Brutality
Collection
Collection 2

What? You can play Punk Rock in arenas. The Ramones did it, The Clash did it, and the Sex Pistols have done it. It's the way the music is, and yeah, Green Day is mainstream for the most part.

Ah, you're right, I meant the sort of crowd that I associate with the local arena, really. You'll see no punk band play there for those fans.

And Phantasmere, you're right about Gaffin, I've read some of his essays and they're not bad. BR isn't my favorite, but I think Gaffin's a pretty smart guy. And those bands that Potaria listed are really worth a spin. The Clash especially have some fairly inteligent lyrics that you might like. All those early bands are great, though.

Ah, you're right, I meant the sort of crowd that I associate with the local arena, really. You'll see no punk band play there for those fans.

And Phantasmere, you're right about Gaffin, I've read some of his essays and they're not bad. BR isn't my favorite, but I think Gaffin's a pretty smart guy. And those bands that Potaria listed are really worth a spin. The Clash especially have some fairly inteligent lyrics that you might like. All those early bands are great, though.

It's Greg GRAFFIN! There's an R!

Well, you see, I thought it was Graffin, but you spelled it "Gaffin" in your post. I figured you'd know better than I did.

Great song...You should buy collections 1 & 2. MAKE SURE YOU DON'T BUY THEIR NEW STUFF!

Best albums:

Earth A.D.
Legacy Of Brutality
Collection
Collection 2

I'll look into those. Oh, and I know about their new stuff... The "Newfits". They're shit, from what I've heard.

Well, you see, I thought it was Graffin, but you spelled it "Gaffin" in your post. I figured you'd know better than I did.

Ah, 'twasn't me that posted Gaffin :rolleyes:

I'll look into those. Oh, and I know about their new stuff... The "Newfits". They're shit, from what I've heard.

Yes, definite shit. They have a different singer...Glenn Danzig WAS The Misfits...They need to just call themselves something else or get back with Glenn.

Woah, you're right, it wasn't. I'm not paying enough attention. Anyway, I thought a big BR fan would have the right spelling. Sorry for misrepresenting you!

Woah, you're right, it wasn't. I'm not paying enough attention. Anyway, I thought a big BR fan would have the right spelling. Sorry for misrepresenting you!

No problem. By the way, old BR stuff is great. Their new stuff is ok, but not great.

Okay, so I can't spell. Sorry. He's still a smart guy. I've heard very few songs by 70s punk bands (basically nothing outside of the ramones). I've heard single songs by lots of 80s and 90s punk bands, but the only two that I really love are BR and DK. I think BR edges DK by a bit, but it's really close. Bad Religion doesn't have any songs that I like as much as Uber Alles or Holiday in Cambodia, but I have more Bad Religion music (I have Suffer, The Process of Belief, and several single songs on compilations and whatnot), and in general, I like it just as much, possibly better.

im a fan of the crucifucks

I'd like to point you guys to Glen Matlock and the Philistines. They're a hell of a band, and while not 100% Punk Rock, a good deal of their songs could sure as hell qualify (some could even be genuine Pistols riffs).

Preview their latest album, On Something. Glen's still got it.

Okay, so I can't spell. Sorry.

It's easy enough to miss a key, I shoulda gone with my instinct.

What's the opinion here on Irish-induced-punk-stuff, like Dropkick Murphys and Flogging Molly(more punk-induced-Irish in the case of Molly, I guess)?

Potaria: Have you heard Metallica's "Green Hell" "Last Caress" and "Die Die My Darling"?

If you have, you may be a little surprised to know that they are just remakes of Misfits songs. The Misfits wrote them, and played them WAY better.

Potaria: Have you heard Metallica's "Green Hell" "Last Caress" and "Die Die My Darling"?

If you have, you may be a little surprised to know that they are just remakes of Misfits songs. The Misfits wrote them, and played them WAY better.

Haha, I don't listen to "Wanktallica". I know the Misfits wrote those, man. I've just never heard them before :p.

Same goes for bands that have covered Sex Pistols songs. Skid Row was the only band that did a good job, because their poor playing was deliberate. Meh, okay, Motorhead did a good cover of God Save The Queen, but still... Their screwups weren't deliberate, so that's points off.

Megadeth did a very good Anarchy In The U.K. "cover", but I'm not counting that, because Steve Jones was on lead guitar for it. That's why the solo was so good. Motley Crue did a cover of Anarchy, and they couldn't even get the solo partially right.

My problem with the Ramones shirt is that none of them would've been able to afford such a product when they were playing! You'd think they'd remember their roots, at least(well, perhaps not Johnny "I think all punks should be right-wing" Ramone).

I heard that Warfare 88 and Forward Area are going to be putting out a split album, thats should be some right-wing punk. It'll probably still sound awful but better then some drugged up freak singing about how great communism is...

It's easy enough to miss a key, I shoulda gone with my instinct.

What's the opinion here on Irish-induced-punk-stuff, like Dropkick Murphys and Flogging Molly(more punk-induced-Irish in the case of Molly, I guess)?
i really like flogging molly's instrumentation, but the lyrics could be improved in a lot of places, havent heard much dropkick murpheys

"Wanktallica".

Haha, perfect name for em.

They sold out. I only listen to pre-black album Metallica.

I heard that Warfare 88 and Forward Area are going to be putting out a split album, thats should be some right-wing punk. It'll probably still sound awful but better then some drugged up freak singing about how great communism is...
no it wont and punk doesnt sound awful

My 5 fav. punk bands...

The Clash
Dead Kennedys
Sex Pistols
Green Day (old stuff)
Rancid (again, old stuff)

I heard that Warfare 88 and Forward Area are going to be putting out a split album, thats should be some right-wing punk. It'll probably still sound awful but better then some drugged up freak singing about how great communism is...

Haha! That's almost as funny as this:

http://www.conservativepunk.com (http://www.conservativepunk.com/index.asp)

Right-wing punk? LOL...plus, it's a poser-punk website, with that retarded star and everything.

Nazi Punks, Fuck Off

Haha! That's almost as funny as this:

http://www.conservativepunk.com (http://www.conservativepunk.com/index.asp)

Right-wing punk? LOL...plus, it's a poser-punk website, with that retarted star and everything.

Hahahahahahahaaaahahahahaaahahaha! That site is absolutely ridiculous.

I heard that Warfare 88 and Forward Area are going to be putting out a split album, thats should be some right-wing punk. It'll probably still sound awful but better then some drugged up freak singing about how great communism is...

Man, we freaking love our Marxist singers. Remember the 'better red than dead' tour? But we also love our a-political bands that joke about abusing solevents.

Man, we freaking love our Marxist singers. Remember the 'better red than dead' tour? But we also love our a-political bands that joke about abusing solevents.

New York Dolls...good band, good band.

It's easy enough to miss a key, I shoulda gone with my instinct.

What's the opinion here on Irish-induced-punk-stuff, like Dropkick Murphys and Flogging Molly(more punk-induced-Irish in the case of Molly, I guess)?


Haven't heard much Flogging Molly, but the Dropkick Murphys are amazing or terrible. They don't have many songs that I find okay. Personally, I love "A Cadence to Arms" and many of their other songs, but they also have a lot that I really just find terrible.

That Kennedys album is lying around here somewhere, armband and all.

Haven't heard much Flogging Molly, but the Dropkick Murphys are amazing or terrible. They don't have many songs that I find okay. Personally, I love "A Cadence to Arms" and many of their other songs, but they also have a lot that I really just find terrible.

I think they're great, but I can see how you could say that. Some of their stuff just misses.

Here's a movie you guys should check out: SLC Punk.

It pokes endless fun at the "Hardcore" poser-punk scene in the mid-80's. It's got a lot of inside jokes (some are painted on Steve-O's van), great music, and is quite an entertaining movie overall.

Thanks, I'm always looking for punk-themed movies. There's 'Suburbia,' an 80's B-movie(maybe even a lower grade) about kids squatting in a ranch house. Terrible acting, but Flea has an entertaining performance. Pretty crappy, but a few good scenes.

Tsunami Bomb, Anti-Flag
HAHAHAHAH! I've heard some of the Tsunami Bomb (ie Irish Boys) they sound good-ish. But damn I hate them so much. Mostly cause of my stupid Mic pride.

Me myself and I rather fond of

The Dead Kennedys
The Real McKenzies
The Hives
Dropkick Murphy's (nobody fucking kill me for liking them. I have this ass at school who is constantly messing with me for liking them. So I beat his Indian ass down.)
Flogging Molly (see above)


Worthy mentions:
Kasabian
Seven Nations
That One Band (local)

Haha! That's almost as funny as this:

http://www.conservativepunk.com (http://www.conservativepunk.com/index.asp)

Right-wing punk? LOL...plus, it's a poser-punk website, with that retarded star and everything.


Thats not exactly what I meant... maybe calling it right-wing punk was wrong. Anyway like I said they're still awful but they probably have slightly better lyrics then any other dumb lefty/druggie punk band.


Nazi Punks, Fuck Off


I wouldn't call myself a Nazi and I'm sure as hell not a punk so I'll stick around.

Yeah Drakedia that's the name of a song. Thought you should know that. Or maybe you do and right now I look like a real moron. Hmm. Look at the pretty lights!

Hey Eaters, I'm a big DKM fan myself. If anyone says anything about them, point out their killer live shows. They're amazing.

Yeah Drakedia that's the name of a song. Thought you should know that. Or maybe you do and right now I look like a real moron. Hmm. Look at the pretty lights!

Yeah i knew that, I haven't heard it but i read the lyrics somewhere. Seems like a pretty typical punk song.

(Thats not a compliment).

On a side note is Skrewdriver punk? I've heard people say their earlier albums were but where is the line between punk/oi/RAC? Also is Hatecore/Hardcore punk?

Frenzal Rhomb
Yesh!!

Smoked a pack of cigarettes before midday
Coughed up a lung around one,
I can't see a thing,
through my eyes that sting,
I don't remember having so much fun...

I like the Vandals at the moment, and I really love L7...

No mention of Propagandi, Black Flag, Pennywise, the Partisans, Stiff Little Fingers, the Angelic Upstarts, or Refused?

bah.

Anyway, the best punk band ever were the Dead Kennedys.

I heard that Warfare 88 and Forward Area are going to be putting out a split album, thats should be some right-wing punk. It'll probably still sound awful but better then some drugged up freak singing about how great communism is...

I wouldn't call myself a Nazi and I'm sure as hell not a punk so I'll stick around.

Oh really? Those are white supremacist bands...

The "88" in Warfare 88 refers to the letter H (8th letter of the alphabet). HH=Heil Hitler.

I looked up the title of their split CD, and it's "Hate punk in your face."

I'm sure that's great stuff to listen to. :rolleyes:

Yesh!!

Smoked a pack of cigarettes before midday
Coughed up a lung around one,
I can't see a thing,
through my eyes that sting,
I don't remember having so much fun...

I like the Vandals at the moment, and I really love L7...

Eh, I saw Frenzal Rhomb live this year. They sucked, IMHO.

But L7 are good. The Vandals are alright.

Oh really? Those are white supremacist bands...


You can listen to it and not support everything (or even anything) they sing about, tons of it is way over the top (Grinded Nig for starters..) but a lot of it is really good just for the music's sake.

It says you live in Melbourne, do you know anything about the band Deaths Head? Seriously one of the best metal bands (political or not) out there.

The "88" in Warfare 88 refers to the letter H (8th letter of the alphabet). HH=Heil Hitler.

I looked up the title of their split CD, and it's "Hate punk in your face."

I'm sure that's great stuff to listen to. :rolleyes:

Well it's punk so it really isn't great stuff to listen to, at best it's catchy.

On a side note is Skrewdriver punk? I've heard people say their earlier albums were but where is the line between punk/oi/RAC?

The first three 7"ers and their first LP are pretty good rhythm and blues influenced punk, but after that their heads disappeared up their own arses and both their music and politics became absolutely laughable.

I wouldn't call myself a Nazi and I'm sure as hell not a punk so I'll stick around.

So why the fuck are you listening to records put out by a label that supports the National Socialist Movement, Blood & Honour and the organisers of Aryan Fest?

You can listen to it and not support everything (or even anything) they sing about, tons of it is way over the top (Grinded Nig for starters..) but a lot of it is really good just for the music's sake.

If you're just looking for some music to listen to there are a thousand other bands out there without the bullshit genocidal politics attached to them, maybe you should spread your net a little wider?

punk was really good for its anarchy related time, but it is dying out. Now in its place you have stuff like emo :headbang: which does suck majorly but theres not alot you can do about it as assassination isnt legal yet

I'm of the 90s generation, so I like the stuff that's happening right now:
Green Day
NoFX
Atom & His Package
etc.

Yeh I'm also a 90s punkid.

My favorite bands include (in random order)

Not Available
Millencolin
Lagwagon
Ska-P
Punkreas
Hi-Standard
Tilt
Slime
Fahnenflucht
Heiter bis Wolkig
Bad Religion
Pennywise
NOFX

So why the fuck are you listening to records put out by a label that supports the National Socialist Movement, Blood & Honour and the organisers of Aryan Fest?

Why the fuck not?

I listen to leftist/anarchist punk, which resembles my political stance, but the music I listen to includes protests against animal experimentation, fur clothes (which I have nothing against), and violence against state offficials (which I only think is right if those state officials start committing violence against you first).

Although I would say that there is a difference between listening to music of a slightly different political stance to your own and listening to music of the opposite part of the political spectrum.

It says you live in Melbourne, do you know anything about the band Deaths Head? Seriously one of the best metal bands (political or not) out there.


No, I don't know them. Sounds like another white supremacist band. I don't care how talented they are, the politics are just sickening...and i'd probably end up getting killed or something at one of their shows.

Best punk bands (in no particular order):

Anti-Flag
Bad Religion
Circle Jerks
the Plasmatics
Dead Kennedys
Husker Du
D.O.A.
the Damned
Subhumans
Minor Threat
the Misfits (old and new)
the Minutemen
the Crucifucks
X
the Germs
the Fastbacks
the Offspring (early)
Rancid
the Lunachicks
Bikini Kill

...and many more

incidentally, L7 was more metal than punk. That of course doesn't mean they're not awesome.

Agreed.

no... no... no... Punk is not bad, don't say it. I don't know what my faves are though...

Best punk bands (in no particular order):

Anti-Flag
Bad Religion
Circle Jerks
the Plasmatics
Dead Kennedys
Husker Du
D.O.A.
the Damned
Subhumans
Minor Threat
the Misfits (old and new)
the Minutemen
the Crucifucks
X
the Germs
the Fastbacks
the Offspring (early)
Rancid
the Lunachicks
Bikini Kill

...and many more

incidentally, L7 was more metal than punk. That of course doesn't mean they're not awesome.

Husker Du is great, man.

I could quote here, but it would take far too long to find every post.
Couple of points - Kasabian are not punk. Nor are the goddamn fucking Libertines.

Why did it take so long for Refused and Stiff Little Fingers to be mentioned? They're fucking ace.

Flogging Molly and Dropkick Murphys - FM are truly excellent, anyone who hasn't got their Drunken Lullabies album should go out and buy it now. Or stay in and download it, makes no difference to me. Dropkick Murphys are pretty good too, but not as good as FM.

Now my favourites. Firstly those that haven't been mentioned yet:
Goldfinger, 1208, Bouncing Souls, Edna's Goldfish, Crackout, Me First & the Gimme Gimmes, Oi Polloi, Sahara Hotnights.

And ones that have:
DKs, The Clash, Sex Pistols, Pennywise, Stiff Little Fingers, Propagandhi, Anti-Flag, Rancid, Bad Religion, NOFX, New York Dolls (though they were poor at Leeds last year), The Vandals...I'm sure I'll think of more later...

Well, the New York Dolls are Proto-Punk, meaning they're not actually a Punk Rock band. They're more of a Glam band. Damn good stuff, but they're terrible live.

Misfits
Black Flag
Ramones
The Clash
The Saints

Really good Swedish bands, but sadly just in swedish for all you not swedishtalking:

Astra Kask
Charta 77
Coca Carola
DLK De lyckliga kompisarna
Ebba Grön Rymdimperiet Imperiet

Else The Clash and Ramones is really good
Green Days first albums like Dookie is good punk even if maybee a bit modern for some and I don't know how mutch cred they have, and there last one american idiot is nice rock but not punk.

id have to say oi polloi are my favorite punk band. some good stuff by them. and i quite like bad religion, though i suppose whether they are "proper" punks could be debateable, with the singer having a doctorate in evolutionary biology and a receding hair line. clash are good too. sex pistols are ok, though to be honest i only like anarchy in the uk and god save the queen. and the exploited are good too, even if its just for "fuck the system".

punk was really good for its anarchy related time, but it is dying out. Now in its place you have stuff like emo :headbang: which does suck majorly but theres not alot you can do about it as assassination isnt legal yet

well, you could join the biggest label, work your way up, then collapse it from the inside, by giving all its money to charity and sending all its crap-tastioc acts to a "concert" in antarctica, and leaving them there. or become a hacker and move all of every record labels money out of their accounts and send it to oxfam or something. i cant think of a jury in the land that would imprison someone for that. sadly i know no juries, but dont let that stop you.

I like some harder-core punk, but my real preference has turned out to be ska-punk.

Anyway, some bands I like (that I think mostly haven't been mentioned):

Dillinger Four
Millencolin
Allister
The Suicide Machines
The Pietasters
Reel Big Fish
Strike Anywhere
MU330
The Planet Smashers
Less than Jake

Here's the punk I've been listening to lately:

Refused
Flogging Molly
New Bomb Turks
Agnostic Front
Dead Kennedys
Leftover Crack/Choking Victim
Operation Ivy
Dwarves
the Ramones

I wanna get my hands on some Against Me!, because they're awesome.

my top 5 personal favorites:

The Clash (no one was more political, more energized, or more outspoken)
Dead Kennedys (the real shock punk rockers)
Buzzcocks (pop-punk before it was real)
Operation Ivy (fuck rancid. little sellout bastards.)
Vandals (their evolution from Anarchy Burger to 43210-1)

The Clash (no one was more political, more energized, or more outspoken)


CRASS would probably beat them in the first and the third.

I wanna get my hands on some Against Me!, because they're awesome.

I saw them a few months back and felt myself strangely unmoved by the experience. The rest of the kids seemed to be enjoying them, so maybe it was just me.

Operation Ivy (fuck rancid. little sellout bastards.)

You know Epitaph is an independent label, right?

Just because MTV decided to play a few of their songs for a short amount of time doesn't mean that they're any less "scene."

These punk rock purity qualifications inevitably end up making me sick.

You know Epitaph is an independent label, right?

Just because MTV decided to play a few of their songs for a short amount of time doesn't mean that they're any less "scene."

These punk rock purity qualifications inevitably end up making me sick.

Never mind the fact that The Buzzcocks and The Clash were both on major labels, and yet he is not condemning them.

Never mind the fact that The Buzzcocks and The Clash were both on major labels, and yet he is not condemning them.
Sorry for forgetting that; that is quite amusing.

#1: NOFX, absolutely awesome band, great sound, good lyrics
#2: AFI, good band, like their music

#1: NOFX, absolutely awesome band, great sound, good lyrics
#2: AFI, good band, like their music

NOFX is too poppy for me, and AFI has about one ok album. Don't like those two very much.

NOFX is too poppy for me, and AFI has about one ok album. Don't like those two very much.
Check out the new NOFX album, it's very different from their others it's "The War On Errorism" I usually get my music with methods some may call questionable, so I don't have any full AFI albums.

I'm working on a Powertab document for Anarchy In The U.K. right now. I still can't get that damn solo!

If you're just looking for some music to listen to there are a thousand other bands out there without the bullshit genocidal politics attached to them, maybe you should spread your net a little wider?

Yeah but I'm also pretty interested in history and it's hard to find a band that sings about Dredsden, the Eastern Front or The Battle of Lechfeld and isn't "nazi". I listen to some apolitical bands (Pantera and Black Label Society pretty much) but their lyrics seem kinda pointless and dispassionate.

Minor Threat
Aus Rotten
Crimson Curse
Indian Summer
Ottawa

Yeah but I'm also pretty interested in history and it's hard to find a band that sings about Dredsden, the Eastern Front or The Battle of Lechfeld and isn't "nazi". I listen to some apolitical bands (Pantera and Black Label Society pretty much) but their lyrics seem kinda pointless and dispassionate.
So essentially, in order to get history, you need to listen to Nazis tell it to you?

Music is not the only source of historical information.

There are plenty of political punk bands that sing about history and political problems without the lens of "kill all the Jews and darkies."

Just a few from the bands that have been mentioned on this thread:
NOFX
Dead Kennedys
The Clash
Anti-Flag
Strike Anywhere
The Vandals
Operation Ivy
Pennywise
Bad Religion
The Ramones (if you're being really loose, and count Blitzkrieg Bop as a song about WWII. Which I don't, really).
Minor Threat
Black Flag

And a few more who I don't think have been mentioned:
Goldfinger
Midtown
Authority Zero

Exploding Hearts are a pop-punk band (Buzzcocks style; not Blink-182 style) from Portland. Most of them are dead already, which is a tragedy, but their music is still great. I'd advise people who are fans of the Jam, the Buzzcocks, and that style of early pop-punk to check them out.

also: no one has yet mentioned Stiff Little Fingers, who are favorites of mine

So essentially, in order to get history, you need to listen to Nazis tell it to you?

Music is not the only source of historical information.

There are plenty of political punk bands that sing about history and political problems


Well for starters they're punk which I really dislike, I'm into metal which is usually apolitical or NS. Secondly I find it a lot easier to identify with right of centre or third position politics then the left-wing nonsense that 95% of political punk bands play.


the lens of "kill all the Jews and darkies."


Well thats only a part of what they sing about, most of it is just pride and patriotism. Actually I'm probably wasting my time on these forums...

Exploding Hearts are a pop-punk band (Buzzcocks style; not Blink-182 style) from Portland. Most of them are dead already, which is a tragedy, but their music is still great. I'd advise people who are fans of the Jam, the Buzzcocks, and that style of early pop-punk to check them out.

also: no one has yet mentioned Stiff Little Fingers, who are favorites of mine
Cool! The Jam rule, i'll check them out!

Well for starters they're punk which I really dislike, I'm into metal which is usually apolitical or NS. Secondly I find it a lot easier to identify with right of centre or third position politics then the left-wing nonsense that 95% of political punk bands play.



Well thats only a part of what they sing about, most of it is just pride and patriotism. Actually I'm probably wasting my time on these forums...
You wouldn't be wasting your time if you listened to what we had to say.

The reason I gave punk bands was b/c this thread is about punk.

Surely you can't think that bands singing about genocide are more appealing than those protesting torture.

That part makes the whole unacceptable. Tied up in their conception of nationality is one of "racial purity" which demands genocide. As 13 million dead can't tell you.

Anyone here like Social D?

(I mean early Social D, none of their new stuff, it's kinda crappy. I mean stuff like "Mommy's Little Monster")

Love the Ramones. "My Brain is Hanging Upside Down" rocks my world.

Tied up in their conception of nationality is one of "racial purity" which demands genocide.

It doesn't demand genocide, tons of bands advocate repatriation.

It doesn't demand genocide, tons of bands advocate repatriation.

"Repatriation" implies that minorities aren't really citizens of the places they live and were born in. This is a simplistic view of nationality that is based on race and ignores history. Should white Americans go back to Europe? Should the English go back to Saxony and Denmark already? Is it about damn time that Europeans went back to the steppes and left Europe to the Celts and Romans again? Fascist views of nationality are crackpot and not backed up by anything besides a superficial glance at the color and culture of a population.

also, back to the point, punk rock kicks ass.

Old Crow Medicine is the greatest punk band ever.

Hate um all switch to hip hop

Hate um all switch to hip hop

How about no.

Alright guys, I'm stopping work on my Anarchy tab for now... I'm starting a Poison Heart tab. I think it's coming along nicely so far.

Hate um all switch to hip hop

Or I'll keep listening to both.

It doesn't demand genocide, tons of bands advocate repatriation.

And what happens when the people don't want to be repatraited (ignoring the fact that in most cases there is no real place to which they can actually be repatriated)?

Well for starters they're punk which I really dislike, I'm into metal which is usually apolitical or NS. Secondly I find it a lot easier to identify with right of centre or third position politics then the left-wing nonsense that 95% of political punk bands play.

Maybe you should go and have a listen to some street punk or oi!* then - proof positive that one can play a variety of punk rock which doesn't directly support 'left-wing nonsense' or advocate such ludicrous and outdated ideologies like repatriation.

the lens of "kill all the Jews and darkies."Well thats only a part of what they sing about, most of it is just pride and patriotism. Actually I'm probably wasting my time on these forums...

The fact that only some of their songs advocate murder on racial and religious grounds make them more socially acceptable how exactly?

* Although quite a few oi!/street punk bands do possess leftist positions, but there are a great deal who don't.

Can we just say different strokes for different folks?

[QUOTE=Turkishsquirrel AFI, good band, like their music[/QUOTE]Damn, I forgot to mention AFI, they're awesome, except their newest album isn't very good.

Others I should've mentioned but forgot:

Patti Smith
the Dicks
the Ramones
the Goo Goo Dolls (early)
the Replacements (early, though most of their later stuff was good, too, just not punk.)
Soul Asylum (same as the Replacements)
D.R.I.
D.I.
Verbal Abuse
Agnostic Front
Sick of It All
Balzac
Green Day

Can we just say different strokes for different folks?

Go The Strokes!!!

Go The Strokes!!!

What he said.

also: no one has yet mentioned Stiff Little Fingers, who are favorites of mine

Yes I did. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8925199&postcount=87) :p

Anyone here like Social D?

(I mean early Social D, none of their new stuff, it's kinda crappy. I mean stuff like "Mommy's Little Monster")

I don't know a whole lot, but I do like what i've heard :)

Social Distortion's quite good, from what I've heard. However, they seem to have a lot of sub-moronic fans, just like Rage Against The Machine.