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Drugs

Rummania
21-05-2005, 20:31
Which is the worst drug?

Things to consider: health, addiction, pure philosophical meanness.
Taeo
21-05-2005, 20:32
Heroin. Heroin. Heroin.

Has got to be one of the worst drugs around to day.

~~V
Ismin
21-05-2005, 20:33
Meth.

I have two cousins in jail for the next 20 years because of it.
Calpe
21-05-2005, 20:37
Heroin...

btw...romanian by any chance?
Suicidal Librarians
21-05-2005, 20:37
Which is the worst drug?

Things to consider: health, addiction, pure philosophical meanness.

Meth, take it one time and you're addicted for life. It's awful, and almost impossible to get off of, from what I've been told.
Uginin
21-05-2005, 20:40
Heroin... Well, any drug you inject rather than smoke or ingest is horrible in my opinion, unless it's for medical use. Cocaine is horrible too, I hear.
Rummania
21-05-2005, 20:41
Meth gets my vote. It's made out of household cleaners and sudafed and ruins people's lives. Everything about it is pure nastiness and evil. I've never done it, but the high doesn't even sound pleasant; more just insane and out of control. Heroin is disgusting and it can make your arm get infected (gross) but unless you overdose it's not actually that bad for your health (not that I'd do it, but that's how it is.)
The Downmarching Void
21-05-2005, 20:42
Crack. Nothing else even comes close to crack. It makes you as evil as Meth, stupider than alcohol, more desperate than Heroin and to top it all of, ITS THE SHITTIEST 10 SECOND HIGH ON THE PLANET. For crying out loud, Whippits are less expensive and give you a longer high. If you're gonna be a crazy, mean, poor, penniless, unwashed, diseased, whored out wretch, you could at least do it for drug that WORKS. Crackheads should be shot...no one stupid enough to throw their life away for a shitty high concocted from bugspray and laundry detergent deserves to live.
The Noble Men
21-05-2005, 20:46
L.S.D got my vote. It drives people insane and does major fuck-ups with the rest of the body.
Odd thing is, I heard it's similar to Aspirin in terms of it's chemistry.
New Genoa
21-05-2005, 20:49
Meth gets my vote. It's made out of household cleaners and sudafed and ruins people's lives. Everything about it is pure nastiness and evil. I've never done it, but the high doesn't even sound pleasant; more just insane and out of control. Heroin is disgusting and it can make your arm get infected (gross) but unless you overdose it's not actually that bad for your health (not that I'd do it, but that's how it is.)

Actually with heroin, people have been known to inject between their toes or even near their eyes... :eek:
Ashmoria
21-05-2005, 20:49
im going with meth
in addition to bad effects on the people who take it, the making of it is prone to explosions (bad for the neighborhood) and toxic fumes (bad for the small children in the family)
Rummania
21-05-2005, 20:50
L.S.D got my vote. It drives people insane and does major fuck-ups with the rest of the body.
Odd thing is, I heard it's similar to Aspirin in terms of it's chemistry.

That's a load of crap. LSD is about as bad for you as one beer. It's a very harmful substance in large doses, but no one takes large doses. An almost microscopic amount will send you to the moon, and once it's done, it's gone and there's no desire for any more any time soon. There's never been a documented case of someone dying from a voluntary dose of LSD. Anyone who knows what's going on can deal with it.
The Noble Men
21-05-2005, 20:53
That's a load of crap. LSD is about as bad for you as one beer. It's a very harmful substance in large doses, but no one takes large doses. An almost microscopic amount will send you to the moon, and once it's done, it's gone and there's no desire for any more any time soon. There's never been a documented case of someone dying from a voluntary dose of LSD. Anyone who knows what's going on can deal with it.

Then I stand corrected. The only illegal drug I've taken is alcohol (illegal at 16), so I don't know that much about drugs. And I don't really want to.
New Genoa
21-05-2005, 20:57
That's a load of crap. LSD is about as bad for you as one beer. It's a very harmful substance in large doses, but no one takes large doses. An almost microscopic amount will send you to the moon, and once it's done, it's gone and there's no desire for any more any time soon. There's never been a documented case of someone dying from a voluntary dose of LSD. Anyone who knows what's going on can deal with it.

Cmon now, let's not make up things.
Rummania
21-05-2005, 21:03
Cmon now, let's not make up things.

The only instance I know of someone ever dying on LSD was a CIA agent who was given it without his knowledge, didn't know what was going on and jumped out a window because he thought he was going insane. I stand corrected if you can find another example, but I don't think there are any out there.
The Downmarching Void
21-05-2005, 21:03
Heroin... Well, any drug you inject rather than smoke or ingest is horrible in my opinion, unless it's for medical use. Cocaine is horrible too, I hear.


Heroin doesn't have to be injected. Lots of Crackers get their high by shooting it because after awhile its the ONLY way the crack will get them highg. The same goes for Meth and Coke. People will inject ANYTHING, ANYWHERE if it gets them high. I met a guy who injected HAIRSPRAY.


I used to cook Meth...it's a stupid disgusting drug, but it doesn't invovlve household cleaners. Trisodium Phosphate is DRIVEWAY cleaner. Thats an INDUSTRIAL cleaner. TSP is used because its hard to get your hands on proper Red Phosphorous. The crap some cooks put into bathtub crank is frightening, but nothing compared to Crack. Meth itself held no interest for me. I used to sprinkle it on my weed now and again for some truly f****d up times (auditory hallucinactions, etc.) but I saw no appeal in doing a drug that made me moody, irritable and prone to become a jesus freak in case of overdose.

I was strung out on Morphine and Fentanyl for about 5 years and never had to resort to using needles to get high. Drugs are a bad idea in general, but all the misinformation out there certainly doesn't help people actually stay away from drugs. When I did drugs I reallly didn't give a damn what those stupid lying commercials on TV said. I wanted to get high, so I did. Same goes for any other addict.

Drugs are not cool, but when someone is the earlier stages of addiction, nothing will convince them that drugs are anything but cool.

I've had three beers and a couple puffs on a joint in the past 4 years and I wouldn't go back to the life of an addict for anything or anyone. I stopped cooking meth long before that. I've seen it all and have no wish to see anymore. But I still think the worst drug out there is Crack. It does everything all the other drugs do, except give you a decent high.
DHomme
21-05-2005, 21:04
heroin's not actually as easy to get started on as crack which is pretty much one hit and your'e hooked. Heroin may take some time before it gets you addicted
Swimmingpool
21-05-2005, 21:27
Actually with heroin, people have been known to inject between their toes or even near their eyes... :eek:
Heroin addicts have been known to inject everywhere you can think of and more.
Neo-Anarchists
21-05-2005, 21:33
Meth, take it one time and you're addicted for life.
Huh?
Do you mean actual physical addiction? I was under the impression that that was caused by conditioning of receptors in the brain due to repeated overstimulation by the drug. And I was fairly sure that there isn't yet a drug that can cause addiction with a single dose.
I might be wrong though.

Back to the original question:
I say either heroin or cocaine. Cocaine is a bitch by way of addiction and such, if I'm remembering the information I've read correctly.
12345543211
21-05-2005, 21:41
I said meth because it can blow up more easily which can kill more innocent people who arent making, dealing or using the drug.
[NS]Simonist
21-05-2005, 21:42
Hrm, speaking from a near-obscene amount of drug experience, I'd have to say meth is the worst. I mean, between my best friend and myself (we agreed on our vote), the only two things we haven't knocked off is crack, because in our area, there's no availability. You have to go down to the bad part of town, and then it's best to know somebody, and neither of us were ever so desperate for something new to do that.

Sigh. That brought back a lot of high school memories I'd rather not have re-lived....kinda sucks living in a big enough city that you can get all those. I'd hate like hell to go through it all again.
Ismin
21-05-2005, 21:47
Simonist']Hrm, speaking from a near-obscene amount of drug experience, I'd have to say meth is the worst. I mean, between my best friend and myself (we agreed on our vote), the only two things we haven't knocked off is crack, because in our area, there's no availability. You have to go down to the bad part of town, and then it's best to know somebody, and neither of us were ever so desperate for something new to do that.

Sigh. That brought back a lot of high school memories I'd rather not have re-lived....kinda sucks living in a big enough city that you can get all those. I'd hate like hell to go through it all again.

I live in INDIANA and you can get pretty much whatever you want whenever you want, you just have to know the right people.
[NS]Simonist
21-05-2005, 21:50
I live in INDIANA and you can get pretty much whatever you want whenever you want, you just have to know the right people.
No, I mean....we could get all of that on PASSING PERIOD if the whim struck. Except the aforementioned crack, going down to the ghetto, etc.....LSD was a big thing at school. And I took a math final really high. Got a 94%. I should do that more often, maybe.
Bonferoni
21-05-2005, 21:52
MDMA is one of the worst drugs I can think of...also, I would definitely list Meth as another destructive drug....one thing I haven't seen many people mention is huffing...that will destroy your neruons faster than you can blink...just cruises throught the blood brain barrier and starts its destruction...cocaine and heroin are bad...amphetamine and opiate respectively....alcohol should be counted as a highly destructive drug because of its short term destructive possiblities (car crash, alcohol poisoning, vomiting and aspiration when passed out...) and its long term destruction ( liver cancer, brain damage, memory loss, accelerated aging...)
Hyperslackovicznia
21-05-2005, 21:54
Specify: Methadone. 'Nuff said.
Bonferoni
21-05-2005, 21:57
Huh?
Do you mean actual physical addiction? I was under the impression that that was caused by conditioning of receptors in the brain due to repeated overstimulation by the drug. And I was fairly sure that there isn't yet a drug that can cause addiction with a single dose.
I might be wrong though.

Back to the original question:
I say either heroin or cocaine. Cocaine is a bitch by way of addiction and such, if I'm remembering the information I've read correctly.

as far as the receptors on the neurons, you are right...it takes time to get to that point-whether it be upregulation or downregulation...however, there are individuals that take something once and are addicted for life...not everyone has an addictive personality...i would doubt, without data from studies, that all people are suceptible to being addicted to something by taking/doing it once...but it isn't impossible
Hyperslackovicznia
21-05-2005, 21:57
Which is the worst drug?

Things to consider: health, addiction, pure philosophical meanness.

You forgot to add withdrawal as a criterea. Methadone withdrawal (cold turkey) is, and has been agreed upon by medical professionals, the most heinous experience ever.
Hyperslackovicznia
21-05-2005, 21:59
as far as the receptors on the neurons, you are right...it takes time to get to that point-whether it be upregulation or downregulation...however, there are individuals that take something once and are addicted for life...not everyone has an addictive personality...i would doubt, without data from studies, that all people are suceptible to being addicted to something by taking/doing it once...but it isn't impossible

It is true that some people are hardwired (in the neurtransmitters) to become addicted to a particular drug after using it one time. The brain has to be set for that...
Bonferoni
21-05-2005, 22:00
Specify: Methadone. 'Nuff said.

Methadone? why is that? Methadone is a drug to help addicts quit their drug use...methadone is a lower dose of a hard drug...it is given to addicts so that they do not go through a horrifiic withdrawl process....which can lead to death in some cases if a hardore user goes cold turkey...
maybe you ment methamphetamine?
EDIT:sorry-you got another post in before mine that answered my question!;)
Hyperslackovicznia
21-05-2005, 22:01
I'm sure it's one in a million, but it has happened.
Hyperslackovicznia
21-05-2005, 22:03
Methadone? why is that? Methadone is a drug to help addicts quit their drug use...methadone is a lower dose of a hard drug...it is given to addicts so that they do not go through a horrifiic withdrawl process....which can lead to death in some cases if a hardore user goes cold turkey...
maybe you ment methamphetamine?


NO, I mean METHADONE. Withdrawal in a medical facitlity, not a Methadone Clinic. I'm talking where they rip a person from 120 mg to nothing. I've read of this happening and spoken with AODA people, Dr.s, & Nurses, and going cold turkey off methadone is the hardest, longest, most painful withdrawal, due to it's heinously long half-life.
The Downmarching Void
21-05-2005, 22:05
Specify: Methadone. 'Nuff said.


It's helped a few my friends kick Heroin, and proved far more difficult than Heroin to get off of. One of those friends was hospitalized 3 times when he tried to go off his dose faster than the doctors told him to. Its killed more than few teenagers in my area. For some reason they think they can get high from it, which is a fallacy. But its so heavily controlled (because it is legal, ironicly) and very difficult for anyone but the prescription holder to get their hands on. I think the ubiquitous nature of all the other drugs make them far worse than methadone.
Gartref
21-05-2005, 22:06
Which is the worst drug?




My love. Most chicks are addicted after the first injection.
Hyperslackovicznia
21-05-2005, 22:10
The one YOU'RE addicted to. ;)
Hyperslackovicznia
21-05-2005, 22:10
My love. Most chicks are addicted after the first injection.


*swoons* :rolleyes: :p
Hyperslackovicznia
21-05-2005, 22:12
Most people are misinformed, thinking heroin is the worst drug. It isn't. It's a walk in the park compared to what happens to a person on Crystal Meth.
Neo-Anarchists
21-05-2005, 22:19
Most people are misinformed, thinking heroin is the worst drug. It isn't. It's a walk in the park compared to what happens to a person on Crystal Meth.
I've never known any tweakers, so I suppose my opinion was biased due to the fact that I've seen heroin wreck lives and not meth, and I don't know a great deal about meth addiction.

*pops off to look for information*
DrunkenDove
21-05-2005, 22:49
The only instance I know of someone ever dying on LSD was a CIA agent who was given it without his knowledge, didn't know what was going on and jumped out a window because he thought he was going insane. I stand corrected if you can find another example, but I don't think there are any out there.

No, the CIA had him murdered. It's the only murder they've ever admitted to.

And PCP. When you've on PCP, everything is a good idea. Like ripping off someones face. Or drilling through your leg. Andthe PCP will give you the strenght and pain tolerence to do it. It's also impossible to talk anyone down.