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Just thinking about leaving, so far.

I've met a lot of truly great people on here, and I would miss them muchly, but sometimes ( like this morning ) I get frustrated in the extreme at a handful of others.

If someone proves to me that a particular course of action or a particular position is illogical, or that the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, or that my facts or reasoning are incorrect, I will make a serious effort to change my views. I tend to expect the same of others. This has, however, been demonstrated to be an unreasonable expectation in many cases on here, even among some of supposedly considerable intellect.

Everyone has a right to their own opinions and a right to defend them in open discussion. But I have a right to get frustrated when I present facts or logic which is ignored. Realistically, people will attempt to defend their positions regardless of facts or logic to the contrary, preferring an attractive lie to the hard, cold truth. But there comes a point where intellectual honesty demands a change. This is what bothers me most, the lack of honesty.

I've become a bit of a "General Junkie," so leaving would cause serious withdrawal symptoms. I do find myself wondering, though, if the considerable difference in age between me and most of those on here might not be part of the problem. And yet there are quite a few very young posters on here with far more intellectual honesty than many people my own age.

Then there are my course work and thesis to consider.

Sigh.

It's a conundrum. :(

The answer is simple: Don't feed the trolls. Everyone else accepts reasonable arguments.

I thought you would have learnt by now how people work on here and what to ignore. Most of the threads on the main page at any given time remain unopened by me because I know what's not worth looking at.

I thought you would have learnt by now how people work on here and what to ignore. Most of the threads on the main page at any given time remain unopened by me because I know what's not worth looking at.
I know. I know. But sometimes I just seem to be unable to resist, particularly when it's an issue near and dear to my heart. :headbang:

I know. I know. But sometimes I just seem to be unable to resist, particularly when it's an issue near and dear to my heart. :headbang: Well, you'll just have to learn to deal with the fact that lots of people are idiots. There hasn't been a way yet discovered to solve this... controlling what they think didn't work... I agree with whoever said something about Trolls. Do not feed the Trolls.

:(

If there was ever a need for the waaambulance picture, this is it. :rolleyes:

Really, why be in the kitchen, if you can't stand the heat?

Well, you'll just have to learn to deal with the fact that lots of people are idiots. There hasn't been a way yet discovered to solve this... controlling what they think didn't work... I agree with whoever said something about Trolls. Do not feed the Trolls.
I do try, honest I do! [ sobs into his Gatorade ]

If there was ever a need for the waaambulance picture, this is it. :rolleyes:

Really, why be in the kitchen, if you can't stand the heat?
Speaking of "trolls" ... ! :rolleyes:

I know. I know. But sometimes I just seem to be unable to resist, particularly when it's an issue near and dear to my heart. :headbang:

Like the american army and things? I just watched Three Kings on TV.

Speaking of "trolls" ... ! :rolleyes:

Calling whining what it is isn't trolling. "Waaambulance," indeed!

Back when I was active I realized you're never going to get someone to change their views over the internet. The best you can do is get them to is embarrass them, so that they create a new screename and start spewing the same BS again.

Like the american army and things? I just watched Three Kings on TV.
Yes. I know I tend to get a bit ... um ... vociferous about the military, children, and a few other topics.

Back when I was active I realized you're never going to get someone to change their views over the internet. The best you can do is get them to is embarrass them, so that they create a new screename and start spewing the same BS again.
But I don't like to embarrass people. :(

And this qualifies for a thread why?

If you want to leave, leave; if not, then don't. Simple as that.

I'm waiting for someone to make a "Oh I woke up today" thread, or something else along the line.

Well you will be missed :(

Back when I was active I realized you're never going to get someone to change their views over the internet. The best you can do is get them to is embarrass them, so that they create a new screename and start spewing the same BS again.

Sometimes you do. I have changed several of my views simply from reading threads here, especially regards to gun control and religion.

And this qualifies for a thread why?

If you want to leave, leave; if not, then don't. Simple as that.

I'm waiting for someone to make a "Oh I woke up today" thread, or something else along the line.

You haven't been here long enough to realise that when someone leaves general, they seem to have to call attention to themselves. It's called "attention whoring". Remember what it looks like, so that you may avoid it yourself when you retire from NS.

Hey Eutrusca sounds like you need a NS intern. I have some kid from NYU typing most of my posts this summer. Occasionally I check in and tell him what to write. He is pretty good. I think I am going to give him a B+.

What? No!

Dammit, I'll be selfish and say this: please don't go, at least not permanently.

Your age and experience contribute a lot to this forum. Even as my youth causes me problems, your age generates its own. Your maturity about life and politics impressed me from the first days I was on this forum. Your maturity gives me insight that I value in discussions. Your insight gives me new perspective; I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

I understand completely what you mean, I've been involved in some nasty discussions on General lately, and some of them weren't my fault. There seems to be an increasing...edge...to this place. But sometimes fads and trends die out, and we have good weeks and bad weeks on this forum.

What General needs more is to attract men and women of merit and wisdom, not push them away. For that to happen we need anchors of reason and logic, people of esteemed character and the proper attitude.

We need more people like you. In all honesty, I view General as the only forum I have for discussion and dissention, for debate and discourse. You contribute tremendously to that, wether you know it or not. I tool around on the forum far more than I post...you add so much to this place.

I'm not sure we have anyone else who gives this forum what you do...I know I'd rather not test out that theory.

Well, you are entitled to stay and go as you choose ;) Graduate work is very consuming, I wouldn't blame you if you needed the extra time. I'm just telling you, you're wanted here. If you can put up with it, I encourage you to.

Sometimes you do. I have changed several of my views simply from reading threads here, especially regards to gun control and religion.
You're right, there are some people who will change thier views.

But in my experience, the vast majority won't based off an internet forum, or at change their views they post on the forum.

I would hate to see you leave. You are a reasonable voice in a sometimes sea of unreasonableness.

You haven't been here long enough to realise that when someone leaves general, they seem to have to call attention to themselves. It's called "attention whoring". Remember what it looks like, so that you may avoid it yourself when you retire from NS.

Enough people have to like you first.

And this qualifies for a thread why?

If you want to leave, leave; if not, then don't. Simple as that.

I'm waiting for someone to make a "Oh I woke up today" thread, or something else along the line.
Ever hear of "seeking input from others?" :rolleyes:

What? No!

Dammit, I'll be selfish and say this: please don't go, at least not permanently.

Your age and experience contribute a lot to this forum. Even as my youth causes me problems, your age generates its own. Your maturity about life and politics impressed me from the first days I was on this forum. Your maturity gives me insight that I value in discussions. Your insight gives me new perspective; I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

I understand completely what you mean, I've been involved in some nasty discussions on General lately, and some of them weren't my fault. There seems to be an increasing...edge...to this place. But sometimes fads and trends die out, and we have good weeks and bad weeks on this forum.

What General needs more is to attract men and women of merit and wisdom, not push them away. For that to happen we need anchors of reason and logic, people of esteemed character and the proper attitude.

We need more people like you. In all honesty, I view General as the only forum I have for discussion and dissention, for debate and discourse. You contribute tremendously to that, wether you know it or not. I tool around on the forum far more than I post...you add so much to this place.

I'm not sure we have anyone else who gives this forum what you do...I know I'd rather not test out that theory.

Well, you are entitled to stay and go as you choose ;) Graduate work is very consuming, I wouldn't blame you if you needed the extra time. I'm just telling you, you're wanted here. If you can put up with it, I encourage you to.
Thank you, NM! You just made my day! :)

If I do decide to stay, yours will most likely be the post that tipped the balance. :)

I would hate to see you leave. You are a reasonable voice in a sometimes sea of unreasonableness.
:fluffle:

Hey Eutrusca sounds like you need a NS intern. I have some kid from NYU typing most of my posts this summer. Occasionally I check in and tell him what to write. He is pretty good. I think I am going to give him a B+.
Um ... did he type this one? :D

Enough people have to like you first.

Or hate. There is no such thing as negative attention when it comes to attention whoring.

Eutrusca - I'm sure people believe their arguments to be as valid as you may consider yours to be. Just because some one doesn't agree with you, doesn't make them wrong, and visa-versa.

I have seen people post good-bye threads and get blasted for creating drama. But c'mon a "I'm thinking of leaving" thread? If you decide to leave, then have your good-bye thread. I hear a bit of a pity party going on in the tone of your post.

If you stay great. If you leave that's your decision. I think until you decide, you shouldn't be attention seeking like this. From what I've seen of you, it's not you. Perhaps I have been wrong.

Thank you, NM! You just made my day! :)

If I do decide to stay, yours will most likely be the post that tipped the balance. :)

You're welcome. But dammit, its not for you. Its for me, I clearly stated that.

If you sucked, I'd be the first to vote you off the island... ;)

Um ... did he type this one? :D
Yes he as if he was me. He is writing this right now. Stupid NYU professors are giving him course credit for this.

Eutrusca -
I have been increasingly frustrated as well by posters who seem to have one of three General (pun intended) problems:
1. They won't listen to what anyone else says, as you outlined. They continue to ignore even the most basic logical fallacies in what they say, let alone the subtleties of certain arguments.
2. They're obssessed with one issue, won't change their mind on that issue, and then contribute nonsense to every other thread.
3. People ignore basic grammar rules and become illegible.

Despite being frustrated by these things, I've decided to post here. Why? Because I think this forum is an extraordinarily valuable venue for the exchange of ideas. Even on the worst-seeming threads ("Why not kill the Palestinians?"), I had one of the best conversations of my life in terms of juxtaposing my own perspective with another that I may have been unfair to.

We need more rational posters, like yourself, to create that sort of discussion and prevent the type of degeneration that we've both criticized on this thread.

A note to the other people on this thread: Eutrusca is looking for opinions about a personal question, not "complaining." What seems like a complaint is simply presenting one side of the issue. Stop being dicks to someone who wants honest advice.

You haven't been here long enough to realise that when someone leaves general, they seem to have to call attention to themselves. It's called "attention whoring". Remember what it looks like, so that you may avoid it yourself when you retire from NS.
If "attention whoring" upsets you so much, then why do you contribute to it?

I tend to agree with you and ignore most of these threads. However, in Eutrusca's case, he has been on the forum for quite a while, and is obviously an important part of his life. The associations he has made here have made him reluctant to leave without at least asking for some input. I think that is reasonable.

He is not, as so many have, simply saying everybody's an ***hole and doesn't like me, I'm leaving.

Once again, if the attention whoring offends you so much, then why feed it? You contradict yourself.

Well, all I can say is this: if you're leaving because the vast majority of people in General don't know how to argue or are enamored with BS, welcome to the Internet. I almost said "welcome to America", but hey, idiots are everywhere. If you're going to choose to let ignorace get you down, you'll never be happy again, I promise you.

So pick up your lance, Don Quixote, 'cause there's never a shortage of windmills. It'd be a shame to see a gifted tilter dismount.

If "attention whoring" upsets you so much, then why do you contribute to it?

I tend to agree with you and ignore most of these threads. However, in Eutrusca's case, he has been on the forum for quite a while, and is obviously an important part of his life. The associations he has made here have made him reluctant to leave without at least asking for some input. I think that is reasonable.

He is not, as so many have, simply saying everybody's an ***hole and doesn't like me, I'm leaving.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8920172&postcount=125

That is what precipitated this "I'm thinking about leaving, please hold a pity fest for me" attention thread. If you're leaving, say goodbye with dignity. I might even do so when I leave myself. But a "I'm thinking about leaving because I don't like what some people write here" thread? Please. :rolleyes:

Once again, if the attention whoring offends you so much, then why feed it? You contradict yourself.

I'm just calling it like it is.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8920172&postcount=125

That is what precipitated this "I'm thinking about leaving, please hold a pity fest for me" attention thread. If you're leaving, say goodbye with dignity. I might even do so when I leave myself. But a "I'm thinking about leaving because I don't like what some people write here" thread? Please. :rolleyes:

I'm just calling it like it is.

You've made your "point."

I agree Eutrusca is throwing a bit of tantrum. So what? We've all got frustrated at times. He is entitled. You've thrown a few yourself.

You've criticized him for it. Now move on.

Or are you the one whoring for attention?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8920172&postcount=125

That is what precipitated this "I'm thinking about leaving, please hold a pity fest for me" attention thread. If you're leaving, say goodbye with dignity. I might even do so when I leave myself. But a "I'm thinking about leaving because I don't like what some people write here" thread? Please. :rolleyes:



I'm just calling it like it is.
And contributing to the very attention whoring that upsets you so much.

Well, all I can say is this: if you're leaving because the vast majority of people in General don't know how to argue or are enamored with BS, welcome to the Internet. I almost said "welcome to America", but hey, idiots are everywhere. If you're going to choose to let ignorace get you down, you'll never be happy again, I promise you.

So pick up your lance, Don Quixote, 'cause there's never a shortage of windmills. It'd be a shame to see a gifted tilter dismount.

Here, here! Well said.

Yes he as if he was me. He is writing this right now. Stupid NYU professors are giving him course credit for this.
LOL! Kewl! I love it when I can either earn money for, or get credit of some sort for doing things I enjoy. Um ... you are enjoying this, yes???

And contributing to the very attention whoring that upsets you so much.

It doesn't upset me at all, actually. Far be it from me to be upset at Eutrusca leaving. Giving some attention to the person who craves it to point out the craving is just the price you pay...

But don't be so silly as to blame me for replying to your replies. If you're so upset at me calling it like it is, don't reply. See how those tables can turn?

Well, all I can say is this: if you're leaving because the vast majority of people in General don't know how to argue or are enamored with BS, welcome to the Internet. I almost said "welcome to America", but hey, idiots are everywhere. If you're going to choose to let ignorace get you down, you'll never be happy again, I promise you.

So pick up your lance, Don Quixote, 'cause there's never a shortage of windmills. It'd be a shame to see a gifted tilter dismount.
It's interesting that you would refer to Don Quixote. I often feel as though I've been tilting at windmills for most of my life.

Thanks for the encouraging word. :)

You've made your "point."

I agree Eutrusca is throwing a bit of tantrum. So what? We've all got frustrated at times. He is entitled. You've thrown a few yourself.

You've criticized him for it. Now move on.

Or are you the one whoring for attention?

Again, if you don't want me to reply to replies, don't reply. Or are you the one wanting me to reply?

Again, if you don't want me to reply to replies, don't reply. Or are you the one wanting me to reply?
Ignore you and you'll go away? NOT! I've tried that and it doesn't work. :)

Again, if you don't want me to reply to replies, don't reply. Or are you the one wanting me to reply?
That makes my head hurt.

Seriously, your tantrum is a lot worse than his.

If you stay I'll give you my soul, I'll have to get it back from Satan first, but then you may have it.

It doesn't upset me at all, actually. Far be it from me to be upset at Eutrusca leaving. Giving some attention to the person who craves it to point out the craving is just the price you pay...

But don't be so silly as to blame me for replying to your replies. If you're so upset at me calling it like it is, don't reply. See how those tables can turn?
That is one of the most illogical statements I have heard, from a poster whose logic is usually impeccable.

First of all, the premise is incorrect: "Don't be so silly as to blame me for replying to your replies". Where did I say, or imply, that I blamed you for "replying to my replies"? I called attention to the fact that you were giving attention to someone who has obviously upset you as being an attention whore. Each statement I made referred to that. Nowhere did I say it was wrong or giving attention to the attention whore by debating me.

Ignore you and you'll go away? NOT! I've tried that and it doesn't work. :)

Aww, but Eutrusca, for that to work, I would have to care if you reply or not. :fluffle:

I was just turning the tables on this "well, if it bothers you, don't write". It's a forum where you write, and often you write about things that bother you. It's a bit disconcerting that people with such high postcouts as those two haven't realised that yet...

Eutrusca, I've disagreed with you on many things before, and agreed with you on others. I for one would be sorry to see you leave. Though I don't post...that often, I do tend to look over what people are writing and most of the threads you start, even if I don't get involved directly, I do enjoy reading.
If you decide to leave, then I wish you all the best, and feel this forum will be the worse without you. If not, then I look forward to reading more informative threads started by yourself and, occasionally, disagreeing and having an informative...discussion with you. :)

That is one of the most illogical statements I have heard, from a poster whose logic is usually impeccable.

First of all, the premise is incorrect: "Don't be so silly as to blame me for replying to your replies". Where did I say, or imply, that I blamed you for "replying to my replies"? I called attention to the fact that you were giving attention to someone who has obviously upset you as being an attention whore. Each statement I made referred to that. Nowhere did I say it was wrong or giving attention to the attention whore by debating me.

You inferred that I shouldn't write in this thread in replying to a reply of mine, that lacked subsequent posts because - you guessed it - nobody replied so that I could reply. Now imagine how that came about, and why it's a bit thin to bitch about me posting in this thread, but wanting a reply from me?

If you stay I'll give you my soul, I'll have to get it back from Satan first, but then you may have it.
ROFL! Get Tink to do the same and you've got a deal! :D

( just kidding! )

Again, if you don't want me to reply to replies, don't reply. Or are you the one wanting me to reply?

Well, when the point you bring up is "attention whoring", the answer is simply dont reply. Dont post. Keep your opinions to yourself. Otherwise you are playing the same game that you critisize. Simple.

It's interesting that you would refer to Don Quixote. I often feel as though I've been tilting at windmills for most of my life.

Thanks for the encouraging word. :)

You're welcome. Just because I don't always agree with someone doesn't mean I can't appreciate them. I can't remember who said it, but there's some quote about intelligence and how it means being able to understand or entertain an idea without believing/accepting it. This is a passing phase. Besides that, what were you expecting in a Jane Fonda thread (for the love of God, don't read MY post in it!).

BTW, thanks to you as well, Cat-Tribe.

You inferred that I shouldn't write in this thread in replying to a reply of mine, that lacked subsequent posts because - you guessed it - nobody replied so that I could reply. Now imagine how that came about, and why it's a bit thin to bitch about me posting in this thread, but wanting a reply from me?
That logic's a bit torturous, don't you think?

I "inferred" no such thing. I made the obvious statement that if attention whoring offends you, why are you feeding it? Rhetorical question that is (Yoda style). I had no desire for a reply or non-reply from you - I thought my statement was logically self-evident. Apparently that was not the case. This attention-whoring issue seems to be very upsetting to you. Why? Does it hurt you in any way, other than having to sort thru it to find threads worthy of debating in, which everybody here has to do anyway?

Aww, but Eutrusca, for that to work, I would have to care if you reply or not. :fluffle:

I was just turning the tables on this "well, if it bothers you, don't write". It's a forum where you write, and often you write about things that bother you. It's a bit disconcerting that people with such high postcouts as those two haven't realised that yet...
Fass, you give cynicism a bad name!

I'm going to recommend you as the next poster-boy for the International Coalition of Angst-ridden Misanthropes.

That logic's a bit torturous, don't you think?

I blame it on English. It' so hard to express something with clarity in it.

I "inferred" no such thing. I made the obvious statement that if attention whoring offends you, why are you feeding it? Rhetorical question that is (Yoda style). I had no desire for a reply or non-reply from you - I thought my statement was logically self-evident. Apparently that was not the case. This attention-whoring issue seems to be very upsetting to you. Why? Does it hurt you in any way, other than having to sort thru it to find threads worthy of debating in, which everybody here has to do anyway?

And as I've already said, the price you pay for pointing out the craving, is that you fulfill it somewhat. A price I was ready to pay, since it was a classic what we call "rävsax" ("fox trap") in Swedish. That's how attention whoring works. Anything done to counter it (after others have already fed it) - even pointing it out or asking others not to feed it - feeds it.

Like you going on with these replies to me. It just feeds the attention craving even more. If you wanted me to stop feeding it - like you would seem to imply, as it's what you're arguing for - you would stop replying, but you don't. Because you deem the price a suitable one to pay to get your point across, even if it means getting stuck in the "rävsax" yourself. And that's what makes it all a bit thin.

Fass, you give cynicism a bad name!

I didn't think that was possible, so I guess I should be proud.

I'm going to recommend you as the next poster-boy for the International Coalition of Angst-ridden Misanthropes.

Oh, honey, calling me angst-ridden shows just how poorly you judge characters.

You haven't been here long enough to realise that when someone leaves general, they seem to have to call attention to themselves. It's called "attention whoring". Remember what it looks like, so that you may avoid it yourself when you retire from NS.

I take a different view to these things. Eut' said himself that he likes a lot of people on these threads. A forum, being somewhere you go to trade ideas with people, relies on human interaction. A staple of human/human interaction (without the pc middleman) is manners. You don't talk to someone who is just rude... or at least, I don't. so if Eut' just disappeared one day, without giving a reason... well, if I had done that I'd feel as if I'd just given a metaphorical slap in the face to the forum at large. It's rude to leave without saying good-bye, after all. I don't think it's attention whoring... people seem to have this huge vague perception of attention whoring that basically seems to be "talking about yourself for a second=omg attention whore."

It'd be attention whoring if the entire thread said "look at me", and posted about thirty pictures of him in macho poses.


Speaking of those pictures, Eutrusca... I'm still waiting.

I take a different view to these things. Eut' said himself that he likes a lot of people on these threads. A forum, being somewhere you go to trade ideas with people, relies on human interaction. A staple of human/human interaction (without the pc middleman) is manners. You don't talk to someone who is just rude... or at least, I don't. so if Eut' just disappeared one day, without giving a reason... well, if I had done that I'd feel as if I'd just given a metaphorical slap in the face to the forum at large. It's rude to leave without saying good-bye, after all. I don't think it's attention whoring... people seem to have this huge vague perception of attention whoring that basically seems to be "talking about yourself for a second=omg attention whore."

Had it been a goodbye thread, you would have had a point. But it's not. It's more of a "I'm thinking about having goodbye thread" thread.

Speaking of those pictures, Eutrusca... I'm still waiting.

Me too. Older guys are hot. Healed broken legs or not!

Had it been a goodbye thread, you would have had a point. But it's not. It's more of a "I'm thinking about having goodbye thread" thread.

Even so... it still doesn't really come under attention whoring, because it has substance and content. It's an opinion on a forum about opinions, and a thought about course of action. Dismissing the whole rudeness argument as to carry it on would be silly (it being not appropriate any more and all), but I prefer people to say what's on their minds when they are annoyed at something. Venting = a good thing, after all. I dislike it when someone says "Right, I'm off." without saying why, if it's something to do with the forum. People who just conceal their opinions when it's directly related to them... there's no point! This front page is big enough for more than three topics, after all... and it's not smiley spam, so it's of equivalent worth, in my opinion, to the recycled debates that come around every few days *there's just not enough Carthage for me.*




Me too. Older guys are hot. Healed broken legs or not!

I knew it. I KNEW IT. That's two people now... popular opinion demands it!

It'd be attention whoring if the entire thread said "look at me", and posted about thirty pictures of him in macho poses.

Speaking of those pictures, Eutrusca... I'm still waiting.

Don't hold your breath. :D

The answer is simple: Don't feed the trolls. Everyone else accepts reasonable arguments.

Come on...we gotta eat too. But seriously; some worldviews are simply unable to reconsiled, and some, like that of the right-wing Evangelicals, mandates 'preaching cleanliness to the unwashed.'

Eutrusca, I've disagreed with you on many things before, and agreed with you on others. I for one would be sorry to see you leave. Though I don't post...that often, I do tend to look over what people are writing and most of the threads you start, even if I don't get involved directly, I do enjoy reading.
If you decide to leave, then I wish you all the best, and feel this forum will be the worse without you. If not, then I look forward to reading more informative threads started by yourself and, occasionally, disagreeing and having an informative...discussion with you. :)
Thank you! :fluffle:

You're welcome. Just because I don't always agree with someone doesn't mean I can't appreciate them. I can't remember who said it, but there's some quote about intelligence and how it means being able to understand or entertain an idea without believing/accepting it. This is a passing phase. Besides that, what were you expecting in a Jane Fonda thread (for the love of God, don't read MY post in it!).
That's exactly the sort of approach I appreciate, regardless of differences in belief or opinion. At the very least, people can agree to disagree, yes? :)

Eut. Before you decide, go here http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8921455&posted=1#post8921455
Your input will be appreciated, at least by me. Thanks.

There will always be a lowest common denomenator. It's inescapeable in any forum.

Personally, I think this forum has a civility I've rarely seen in a forum. Seriously. I don't know how many forums you have all been to, but trust me: This place is paradise. *nod*

On the other hand, you can't let NationStates interfere with the priorities in your life, Eutrusca. Personally, I can't imagine you letting it.

I think you belong here. If you try to leave, I'm most likely going to superglue you to something heavy. :)

Eut. Before you decide, go here http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8921455&posted=1#post8921455
Your input will be appreciated, at least by me. Thanks.
Although I agree with what you post there, I'm not posting in that thread anymore. It makes me too mad and I tend to get a bit too vociferous. Sorry. :(

There will always be a lowest common denomenator. It's inescapeable in any forum.

Personally, I think this forum has a civility I've rarely seen in a forum. Seriously. I don't know how many forums you have all been to, but trust me: This place is paradise. *nod*

On the other hand, you can't let NationStates interfere with the priorities in your life, Eutrusca. Personally, I can't imagine you letting it.

I think you belong here. If you try to leave, I'm most likely going to superglue you to something heavy. :)
LOL! Well, as long as it's not certain body parts I may be able to survive it.

It's unlikely I'll leave, at least for now; it's too damned much fun! I mean, where else can you get to take potshots at people like the inimitable Fass? :D

LOL! Well, as long as it's not certain body parts I may be able to survive it.

It's unlikely I'll leave, at least for now; it's too damned much fun! I mean, where else can you get to take potshots at people like the inimitable Fass? :D

Good point. :)

As to the body parts in question: I make no promises. I'll glue down whatever I can reach. :)

Good point. :)

As to the body parts in question: I make no promises. I'll glue down whatever I can reach. :)
OMG! :eek:

beY

Just thinking about leaving, so far.

*slight wave of hand*

No you're not.

*slight wave of hand*

No you're not.

Ah young padawan, I doubt your Jedi mind tricks will work on that girzzled old vet ;)

But seriously Eutrusca, you know that no matter how much some stuff annoys you, you'll keep coming back to this place. Its all a matter of taking a breather when those things that bug you really get to you. Come back, make your statement and hope you made a person doubt their view for one second. If you can do that then you've got them thinking, and short of changing their mind, thats the best thing you can do for them.

So stick around, you're needed.

Ah young padawan, I doubt your Jedi mind tricks will work on that girzzled old vet ;)

But seriously Eutrusca, you know that no matter how much some stuff annoys you, you'll keep coming back to this place. Its all a matter of taking a breather when those things that bug you really get to you. Come back, make your statement and hope you made a person doubt their view for one second. If you can do that then you've got them thinking, and short of changing their mind, thats the best thing you can do for them.

So stick around, you're needed.
I know, I know. Sigh. I just got really pissed off and actually was considering leaving General and NS. I suppose I'm just too addicted. Sigh.

BTW ... sorry it took so long to reply. I was busy ignoring Keruvalia. :D

I know, I know. Sigh. I just got really pissed off and actually was considering leaving General and NS. I suppose I'm just too addicted. Sigh.

BTW ... sorry it took so long to reply. I was busy ignoring Keruvalia. :D

:D

I know you know, but its always worth repeating :)

Eutrusca stay! You're one of the best posters!

Back when I was active I realized you're never going to get someone to change their views over the internet.
Not at all, my views have been changed by someone arguing with me on the internet. For example, I went from pro-life to pro-choice on abortion, pro-social welfare to anti-welfare (well, it was a combination of both internet and real world on that one) and I'm even currently weighing up my opinions on the Iraq war and the Bush agenda of regime change.

I've become a bit of a "General Junkie," so leaving would cause serious withdrawal symptoms. I do find myself wondering, though, if the considerable difference in age between me and most of those on here might not be part of the problem. And yet there are quite a few very young posters on here with far more intellectual honesty than many people my own age.
no its not, and don't go:(

as for withdrawal symptoms, i just went 3 whole days without NS... and i only went slightly mad :cool:

*drools*


or maybe it was the morphine that did it :p

Fass, you give cynicism a bad name!

I'm going to recommend you as the next poster-boy for the International Coalition of Angst-ridden Misanthropes.
Sorry to tell you this, but as a charter member, I can categorically say that ICAM does NOT have poster boys. We have posters of the planet being blown to smithereens. :eek:

Just thinking about leaving, so far.

I've met a lot of truly great people on here, and I would miss them muchly, but sometimes ( like this morning ) I get frustrated in the extreme at a handful of others.

If someone proves to me that a particular course of action or a particular position is illogical, or that the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, or that my facts or reasoning are incorrect, I will make a serious effort to change my views. I tend to expect the same of others. This has, however, been demonstrated to be an unreasonable expectation in many cases on here, even among some of supposedly considerable intellect.

Everyone has a right to their own opinions and a right to defend them in open discussion. But I have a right to get frustrated when I present facts or logic which is ignored. Realistically, people will attempt to defend their positions regardless of facts or logic to the contrary, preferring an attractive lie to the hard, cold truth. But there comes a point where intellectual honesty demands a change. This is what bothers me most, the lack of honesty.

I've become a bit of a "General Junkie," so leaving would cause serious withdrawal symptoms. I do find myself wondering, though, if the considerable difference in age between me and most of those on here might not be part of the problem. And yet there are quite a few very young posters on here with far more intellectual honesty than many people my own age.

Then there are my course work and thesis to consider.

Sigh.

It's a conundrum. :(

Don't leave because some people are playing devil's advocate, while at the same time proving they are sharp as a marble.

I personally have seen many of your posts and threads and enjoyed them.

I also am no "kid"...lol... but a lady never tells her age! I must admit there are some threads that might have been OK for me 10 years ago, but no more. There are plenty of threads containing erudite conversation, on both sides of a subject, and if they just keep ranting, while being proven wrong, screw 'em!

no its not, and don't go:(

as for withdrawal symptoms, i just went 3 whole days without NS... and i only went slightly mad :cool:

*drools*

or maybe it was the morphine that did it :p
LOL! Thanks for the warning! :D

Don't leave because some people are playing devil's advocate, while at the same time proving they are sharp as a marble.

I personally have seen many of your posts and threads and enjoyed them.

I also am no "kid"...lol... but a lady never tells her age! I must admit there are some threads that might have been OK for me 10 years ago, but no more. There are plenty of threads containing erudite conversation, on both sides of a subject, and if they just keep ranting, while being proven wrong, screw 'em!
Don't worry, hon. I'm not "leaving" any way soon. I was just really ticked off about something and got to thinking about it. Like I said, I've met lots of great people on here, and now that I know you're among them, I'll be watching for your posts as well. :)

Sorry to tell you this, but as a charter member, I can categorically say that ICAM does NOT have poster boys. We have posters of the planet being blown to smithereens. :eek:
Ouch! Well, I can identify, having grown up in the 50s when so many were scared to death that we were all going to disappear in a fireball! Sigh.

Don't leave because some people are playing devil's advocate, while at the same time proving they are sharp as a marble.

I personally have seen many of your posts and threads and enjoyed them.

I also am no "kid"...lol... but a lady never tells her age! I must admit there are some threads that might have been OK for me 10 years ago, but no more. There are plenty of threads containing erudite conversation, on both sides of a subject, and if they just keep ranting, while being proven wrong, screw 'em!

Just a a very quick hijack

YAY hypes back! :D

[/hijack]

Just thinking about leaving, so far.

Do or do not, there is no maybe.
Only sith deal with absolutes.

Hey so...you should stay till you get 10k, then give me your password and I'll carry the baton.

Your age and experience contribute a lot to this forum... Your maturity about life and politics impressed me from the first days I was on this forum. Your maturity gives me insight that I value in discussions. Your insight gives me new perspective; I'm sure I'm not alone in that...

What General needs more is to attract men and women of merit and wisdom, not push them away. For that to happen we need anchors of reason and logic, people of esteemed character and the proper attitude...



Not to hate on someone too much, but umm...

Ahh yes, the words of wisdom and maturity...

"Oh, you mean kinda like you? Have you read anything written by Vietnam veterans who still oppose the Fonda-bitch?"

Sorry, just had to point that out... I don't know you, and I never post here, but was interested in why you would be leaving. Having said that, it does seem as if your views are a bit extreme...

Just my two cents...

Sorry... if I took us off topic, my purpose wasn't to start another war about Jane Fonda..

Just thinking about leaving, so far.

I've met a lot of truly great people on here, and I would miss them muchly, but sometimes ( like this morning ) I get frustrated in the extreme at a handful of others.

If someone proves to me that a particular course of action or a particular position is illogical, or that the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, or that my facts or reasoning are incorrect, I will make a serious effort to change my views. I tend to expect the same of others. This has, however, been demonstrated to be an unreasonable expectation in many cases on here, even among some of supposedly considerable intellect.

Everyone has a right to their own opinions and a right to defend them in open discussion. But I have a right to get frustrated when I present facts or logic which is ignored. Realistically, people will attempt to defend their positions regardless of facts or logic to the contrary, preferring an attractive lie to the hard, cold truth. But there comes a point where intellectual honesty demands a change. This is what bothers me most, the lack of honesty.

I've become a bit of a "General Junkie," so leaving would cause serious withdrawal symptoms. I do find myself wondering, though, if the considerable difference in age between me and most of those on here might not be part of the problem. And yet there are quite a few very young posters on here with far more intellectual honesty than many people my own age.

Then there are my course work and thesis to consider.

Sigh.

It's a conundrum. :(

Yay for attention-seeking threads.

Seriously, leave or dont. You dont need people to stroke your ego. Well, maybe you do, but honestly, its annoying.

Aw hell, stick around.

Everyone has a right to their own opinions and a right to defend them in open discussion. But I have a right to get frustrated when I present facts or logic which is ignored. Realistically, people will attempt to defend their positions regardless of facts or logic to the contrary, preferring an attractive lie to the hard, cold truth. But there comes a point where intellectual honesty demands a change. This is what bothers me most, the lack of honesty.


HA! Pot, meet kettle!

He that angers you controls you.

*Gasp!*

Gramps! Don't leave us! :eek:

*Cries*

Not to hate on someone too much, but umm...

Ahh yes, the words of wisdom and maturity...

Sorry, just had to point that out... I don't know you, and I never post here, but was interested in why you would be leaving. Having said that, it does seem as if your views are a bit extreme...


Its true Eutrusca can get his blood up on certain subjects. I can on some of my own, I'm sure you have touchy subjects of your own.

This does not take away from the fact that he is both wise and mature; read some of his more lengthy, lucid posts and you'll see. Eutrusca's been on this forum a long time, not every post has to be a flowing treastie on a difficult subject. Hell, I've seen a post from him that was 3 damn letters, "lol". He makes up for it in other posts.

He also has the right to despise Jane Fonda to his grave. I despise Robert Novak, and probably will do so unto my grave. Some people just have their own definitions of reprehinsible or unforgivable behavior.

He lived through the vietnam period, he came by his "bias" in the normal fashion; he's not some kid who was taught to hate without reason. I don't know what he knows or doesn't know about Fonda or her situation, but I trust that if his views were utterly irrational he would have worked to change them.

If I gave the indication that I though Eutrusca was a perfect induvidual, I apologize. However he is a meritorious induvidual who has earned my respect many times over.

Sigh.
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It's a conundrum. :(
Im not that bad am i?
Wait till 10000 posts then make your decision!

Im not that bad am i?
Wait till 10000 posts then make your decision!
LOL! No, it had nothing to do with you, Harl. :)

I get really sadened reading a lot of the threads and have been having a little holiday. Might I suggest this for you? I would be sadened if you left as I have often read your postings and found them bright in a sea of dark. I don't always agree with them but they are well formed and often humerous. They are always warm and inviting of discussion which is rare everywhere now. Don't let others ignorance stifle you. Take a little break and come back fresh and wide awake ready to take on the world. :fluffle:

Nooooo!!! Don't leave! You're the man!

I get really sadened reading a lot of the threads and have been having a little holiday. Might I suggest this for you? I would be sadened if you left as I have often read your postings and found them bright in a sea of dark. I don't always agree with them but they are well formed and often humerous. They are always warm and inviting of discussion which is rare everywhere now. Don't let others ignorance stifle you. Take a little break and come back fresh and wide awake ready to take on the world. :fluffle:
Thank you muchly! As I indicated, I was just thinking about it, largely because of some crass ignorance I had to contend with first thing in the morning. I should by now know better than to log onto NS General without at least one cup of coffee under my belt! :D