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In two days, there are elections in Nordrhein Westphalia and I am still pondering who to vote for. My choices are:
* Grüne (Greens)
* PDS (socialists)
* WASG (social fairness)
* SPD (social democrats)

Unfortunately, I can not decide between them 4, so I ask this forum to help me. Please explain, who I should vote for and why, or vote in the poll.

If this is an NS country, you should have posted in II

I think....maybe.... :confused:

It is IRL, a NRW is a Land of Germany

If this is an NS country, you should have posted in II

I think....maybe.... :confused:

It's an area of Germany!

I'd help you out, Rejis, but I don't know enough about their policies. Is there anywhere I can find out more about them?

I dunno which would be the best, but I went with the feeling in my gut. ;)

It's an area of Germany!

I'd help you out, Rejis, but I don't know enough about their policies. Is there anywhere I can find out more about them?
The websites, I know are in German, unfortunately...

http://www.gruene-nrw.de/
http://sozialisten.de/sozialisten/aktuell/index.htm
http://www.wasg-nrw.de/
http://www.nrwspd.de/home/

http://www.ljv-nrw.org/westerwelle.jpg
Westerwelle COMPELS! you!

FDP are part of my unvotable-list!

FDP :mp5:

Fdp
Only if they are the only party on the list and I get raped and/or shot if I don't vote.

You asked for my opinion, I gave it. :)

I asked of your opinion out of the given choices.

http://www.wdr.de/themen/politik/1/nebentaetigkeit/_img/ruettgers_wdr_160q.jpg
How about me, then? *Poor Puppy look*
I promise no more than 400 Euro College fees!
And foreigners may stay if they lived here since 1933!

See, that's one of the reasons I left the country...

You get to vote, but all the options are more or less unvotable. I selected WASG, mostly because I hardly know anything about them, and their program seems to target the most important issues in Germany at the moment.

http://www.wdr.de/themen/politik/1/nebentaetigkeit/_img/ruettgers_wdr_160q.jpg
How about me, then? *Poor Puppy look*
I promise no more than 400 Euro College fees!
And foreigners may stay if they lived here since 1933!
*lol*

PDS and WASG are without any chance to make it into parliament, you might as well not vote. I am going to cast my vote for the SPD, while i am not entirely happy about the current situation, its my belief that continueing a more or less straight line of policies will result in more efficiency than a change.
CDU policies would take one to one and and a half year to implement, a removal of political officials here and there and create general upheaval at the heads of the various agencies and all that for at best two years of actual governing and than another year of making non.offensive politics in order to get reelected. Besides, classic CDU policies rely too much on giving subsidies to the entrepreneurs and then trust them to invest them into creating jobs instead of boosting their profits. Which i couldnt see working out too well the öast time it was tried. The SPD angle, leaving the common man more money in the hope he consume more and therefore indirectly crate jobs doesnt work too good either, but it leaves more money in my pocket and not in those of a few fat cats.

True, but if everyone thinks the new parties have no chance, nothing gets changed!

In two days, there are elections in Nordrhein Westphalia and I am still pondering who to vote for. My choices are:
* Grüne (Greens)
* PDS (socialists)
* WASG (social fairness)
* SPD (social democrats)

Unfortunately, I can not decide between them 4, so I ask this forum to help me. Please explain, who I should vote for and why, or vote in the poll.
Have you looked at Wahlomat.de?

The websites, I know are in German, unfortunately...

http://www.gruene-nrw.de/
http://sozialisten.de/sozialisten/aktuell/index.htm
http://www.wasg-nrw.de/
http://www.nrwspd.de/home/

Ack, it seems my German really is rather rusty... I wouldn't advise you to vote SPD, so maybe the Greens, if they stand a chance. But, knowing roughly nothing about the other two, I can't really help you more than that.

If I lived in Germany I would probably vote for the PDS, even if they don't stand a chance of winning, although I have heard that when in government in Berlin and Mecklenburg Vorpommern they have been very reformist and too willing to compromise with the SPD but probably not to same extent as the Green Party have done. They also however seem to be the only party campaigning against the right-wing Hartz IV reforms which are an attack on the German welfare state and the most diasdvantaged people within society.

It is IRL, a NRW is a Land of Germany

OOh ok, I din't realize that....srry

Well, I'd vote PDS or Greens.

Although the PDS has still to really come clean with its SED-past.

But I'm a fucking pinko commie lesbian, so what do I know? :P

Normally I'd say PDS of course, but you need to prevent a black-yellow menace there! So either SPD or the the Greens.

Don't vote at all.

Don't vote at all.

And leave NRW at the mercy of conservatives and neo-liberals? Waaaaah :D

Are these 4 choices all basically left-wing? or is any of them right-wing too?

All left-wingers. Although some people consider SPD now a centrist party. But I think that only applies to the "universal" SPD. In the northern and east states the party is still left-wing.

I'd go for "Die Partei" ;)

The most capitalist one.

In other news, I find it vaguely amusing that Rejis' is going to 'sell out' the right/ call to vote to a mostly uninformed public audience instead of trying to use his own brain, thus effectively turning the whole election thing into a joke :P

It's basically like pointing at democracy and telling it that it can fuck off!

... Ok, a slight exaggeration, but still.

In other news, I find it vaguely amusing that Rejis' is going to 'sell out' the right/ call to vote to a mostly uninformed public audience instead of trying to use his own brain, thus effectively turning the whole election thing into a joke :P

It's basically like pointing at democracy and telling it that it can fuck off!

... Ok, a slight exaggeration, but still.

I recommend "Wisdom of crowds"...
It points out, how some times a large enough group can make a better choice then a single expert. So there have to be some preconditions to be met. :p

True, but if everyone thinks the new parties have no chance, nothing gets changed!

Well, but thats as it is.
As here a party can only get into parliament if theyve got more than 5% of all votes, there practically is no chance for new parties. (Well, in a "the winner takes it all"-system its even worse, so in Germany it is better than in UK, USA and France.)
But I think the main reason nothing changes is our constitution
due to which too many decisions require a majority in two house (Bundesrat and Bundestag). Thus causing dead locks. And the Bundesrat even isnt democratically elected.

I recommend "Wisdom of crowds"...
It points out, how some times a large enough group can make a better choice then a single expert. So there have to be some preconditions to be met. :p*Subscribes to Le Bon*

*Does, thus, believe the exact opposite*

*Notes that election results tend to prove his point*

In other news, I find it vaguely amusing that Rejis' is going to 'sell out' the right/ call to vote to a mostly uninformed public audience instead of trying to use his own brain, thus effectively turning the whole election thing into a joke :P

It's basically like pointing at democracy and telling it that it can fuck off!

... Ok, a slight exaggeration, but still.
I didn't sell it out, I only asked for arguments helping me decide between 4 choices, which are equally good/less-evil to me..

Vote Green.

any additional comments?

PDS! PDS! PDS! :)

Sure, they may be chanceless in your land, but they are the largest socialist party in Germany, and you would be making a statement of protest against Schroeder's social cuts and Agenda 2010 liberalisation program by voting for the PDS.

I don't know enough about Grüne to comment, but, whatever you do, don't vote for the traitorous bastards of the SPD! Like Labour in Britain, they've drifted to the right, and need a good kick in the ass to push them back to the left.

Hey, tomorrow are elections, anyone has arguments for or against one side?

Okay, now I go voting, thanks for your help!

If I'm hearing correctly(and it's most likely I'm not), the Christian Democratic Union won in North Rhine-Westphalia?

Grr.

They did! :gundge: It is pretty annoying for me!