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Who would win?

1) A Borg Cube (http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cologne/borg2.jpg) v. the Death Star (http://web.utk.edu/~nfortner/nrsd/images/deathstar2.gif) ?

2) An army of C.H.U.D.s (http://www.devildead.com/chud/chud11.jpg) v. an army of Zombies (http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/IainBoulton/Shaun_of_the_Dead_Zombies.jpg)

3) A Liger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger) v. A Tigon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tion)?

4) All the world's punks (http://www.oxys.de/grafik/foto/foto5.JPG) v. All the world's metal heads (http://haircrimes.com/Bilder/Heavy_Metal_/Heavy_Metal.jpg)?

5) All the world's Women (http://www.meg.stopklatka.pl/magazines/modern_woman01.jpg) v. Andy Kaufman? (http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/1299/zehme/jpgs/kaufman.photo1.jpg)

6) Bender v. Homer (http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/leelaholic/HomerBenderFight-t.jpg)?

7) Amishmen (http://amishoutlaws.com/amish_postcard500.jpg) v. Jews (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1200/jewpic3.gif)

8) Darth Vader vs. Borg Queen (Assuming fight is on Cloud City)

9) Chewbacca vs. Lt Cdr Worf (No Weapons)

10) Silent Bob v. Spock

1.) Death Star

2.) Zombies because they're cool

3.) Draw

4.) Punks because they are.

Who would win?

1) A Borg Cube (http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cologne/borg2.jpg) v. the Death Star (http://web.utk.edu/~nfortner/nrsd/images/deathstar2.gif) ?1 borg cube? then the Deat Star.... if it was a fleet however, then that would be different. after a couple of blasts from the DS main cannon, the Borg cubes would've adjusted for it.

2) An army of C.H.U.D.s (http://www.devildead.com/chud/chud11.jpg) v. an army of Zombies (http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/IainBoulton/Shaun_of_the_Dead_Zombies.jpg) C.H.U.D.S. Zombies tend to be mindless while C.H.U.D.S. are intelligent... sorta.

3) A Liger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger) v. A Tigon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tion)Depends on who get's the upper hand.

4) All the world's punks (http://www.oxys.de/grafik/foto/foto5.JPG) v. All the world's metal heads (http://haircrimes.com/Bilder/Heavy_Metal_/Heavy_Metal.jpg)Hmmmm... tough call... I say we carry this one out and count the bodies.

1.)Death Star: You ain't adaptin' to a superlaser, bitch!
2.)C.H.U.D.S: Just because...
3.)Liger: It's Napoleon Dynamites favorite animal!
4.)I...don't...know...

Answer Key:
1) Borg Cube. The death star is too slow and unwieldly. The Borg would manuever out of the way of the Death's stars planet destroying ray and make quick work of the Death Star.

2) Chuds, because Chuds are real and Zombies are fictional. Plus real zombies (Night of the living dead) Romero Zombies are slow and weak and Chuds are mighty and vicious.

3) A Ligra. Look how bad ass it looks. It is like the sweetest animal ever.

4) Metal heads. Punks are scrawny and sissy.

Answer Key:
1) Borg Cube. The death star is too slow and unwieldly. The Borg would manuever out of the way of the Death's stars planet destroying ray and make quick work of the Death Star.

Didn't you forget that the Death Star has more in an array of weapons than its planet busting weapon.

Didn't you forget that the Death Star has more in an array of weapons than its planet busting weapon.
The BORG's shields regenerate almost instantly. The smaller weapons covering the surface of the Death Star would not be able to destroy a Cube before it adapted its shields to nulify them.

Who would win?

1) A Borg Cube (http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cologne/borg2.jpg) v. the Death Star (http://web.utk.edu/~nfortner/nrsd/images/deathstar2.gif) ?


Why must they fight?
Isn't there benefit to assimilate the death star and stormtroopers, while turning the borg to the dark side?
They are, after all, more machine now than man. Twisted and evil.

Just imagine hoardes of dark-side borg stormtroopers, with borg aiming devices. Unstoppable.

The rebellion wouldn't stand a chance.

The BORG's shields regenerate almost instantly. The smaller weapons covering the surface of the Death Star would not be able to destroy a Cube before it adapted its shields to nulify them.

Not instantly they don't. It takes awhile, especially if they're shields take a full hit. Not even Borg Drones adapt that fast. It'll still be a tough fight, but my money is on the DS.

1) Death Star if only 1 or 2 Cubes

2) C.H.U.D.S. I suppose,

3) Liger rips the crap out of the Tigon because it's about 3 times bigger 950lbs vs 350lbs (no growth inhibitor in the Liger, the Tigon gets two growth inhibitors).

4) I was going to say punks, then I remember that Punks outgrow it, and metal heads never do, so there are probably about three times as many metal head (even if lots of them are old) than there are Punks...

Not instantly they don't. It takes awhile, especially if they're shields take a full hit. Not even Borg Drones adapt that fast. It'll still be a tough fight, but my money is on the DS.
What if a borg ship lands on/attaches to the death star? (or am I displaying my lack of star trek knowledge? I've only seen the movies)
The death star seems to have very little internal security, it's almost all outwards-facing. And borg can happily walk on the surface of it. Even inside, with control of the computers, the death star is pretty helpless.

So isn't it less the borg ship that's the danger, and more the small shuttle of borg mechanics? Assuming it can get past the shields.

Of course, to get past the shields, it needs to land on endor. And fight the ewoks. Which means there would be borg ewoks. And that's just beyond comprehension.

3) Liger rips the crap out of the Tigon because it's about 3 times bigger 950lbs vs 350lbs (no growth inhibitor in the Liger, the Tigon gets two growth inhibitors).

What is a liger and a tigon? I assume half lion/tiger and half tiger/lion. But the comments make it sound like they come from a specific tv series or something. I'm assuming some anime, or some comic?

This thread inspires me to buy the movie C.H.U.D. as it's on sale.
I like bad horror movies. Even so, looking at the back of the box I'm filled with the certainty that I would be wasting my money.
Any thoughts from those that have seen it?
If it means anything, I liked night of the dead, and love the evil dead movies.

Who would win?

1) A Borg Cube (http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cologne/borg2.jpg) v. the Death Star (http://web.utk.edu/~nfortner/nrsd/images/deathstar2.gif) ?

2) An army of C.H.U.D.s (http://www.devildead.com/chud/chud11.jpg) v. an army of Zombies (http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/IainBoulton/Shaun_of_the_Dead_Zombies.jpg)

3) A Liger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger) v. A Tigon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tion)?

4) All the world's punks (http://www.oxys.de/grafik/foto/foto5.JPG) v. All the world's metal heads (http://haircrimes.com/Bilder/Heavy_Metal_/Heavy_Metal.jpg)?

5) All the world's Women (http://www.meg.stopklatka.pl/magazines/modern_woman01.jpg) v. Andy Kaufman? (http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/1299/zehme/jpgs/kaufman.photo1.jpg)

6) Bender v. Homer (http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/leelaholic/HomerBenderFight-t.jpg)?
(1) Death Star
(2) Zombies
(3) Don't care
(4) I'm more punkish but I'd say that metal heads would win
(5) Women win everything
(6) Don't care

I think everyone has overlooked the most imporant question of all!

Bender vs Homer

I'm for bender. True, they are about the same, sneeky, classless, crooks, greedy, ect, ect, ect. But bender's a robot, and ya just can't beet a good robot. lol

death star
no idea
dont give a shit
metal all the way, punks are all really just stupid sissy scrawny shitty-ass posers.

I think everyone has overlooked the most imporant question of all!

Bender vs Homer

I'm for bender. True, they are about the same, sneeky, classless, crooks, greedy, ect, ect, ect. But bender's a robot, and ya just can't beet a good robot. lol
The women and bender questions were added afterwards, which is why nobody mentioned them.
Yeah, bender would definately win, that's a no-brainer. Homer is much softer and squidgier. And less violent. And his fists aren't metal. And he's never been a pro-wrestler. And he's less sneaky. And although he'd try to cheat, bender has more experience.

The BORG's shields regenerate almost instantly. The smaller weapons covering the surface of the Death Star would not be able to destroy a Cube before it adapted its shields to nulify them.

I've seen this whole thing far too many times to bother with anything else but a list:

1. Star Wars ship based weaponry does not use any kind of frequency, thus Borg shields couldn't adapt.

2. The power disparity between the two is so large that a single blast from a heavy turbolaser would destroy a Borg Cube.

3. There are several dozen thousand turbolasers able to bear on any one point in space at any one time without the DS having to lift a finger.

The women and bender questions were added afterwards, which is why nobody mentioned them.
Yeah, bender would definately win, that's a no-brainer. Homer is much softer and squidgier. And less violent. And his fists aren't metal. And he's never been a pro-wrestler. And he's less sneaky. And although he'd try to cheat, bender has more experience.
Feel free to suggest more wars they will be added to the main post. Andy kaufman would make womankind extinct without breaking a sweat. Bender and Homer would be a good fight. Remember Homer has tremendous robot killing skills. Didn't any body see the episode where him and bart competed on "battle bots". Also he killed Lingwo the grammer robot. Lingwo dead? Lingwo is dead!

Feel free to suggest more wars they will be added to the main post. Andy kaufman would make womankind extinct without breaking a sweat. Bender and Homer would be a good fight. Remember Homer has tremendous robot killing skills. Didn't any body see the episode where him and bart competed on "battle bots". Also he killed Lingwo the grammer robot. Lingwo dead? Lingwo is dead!




Since you added the last two:
5) All the world's Women v. Andy Kaufman?
Early in his career, Kaufman wins, late in his career, woman kicks his ass.

6) Bender v. Homer?
Homer wins because he can sustain immeasurable amounts of damage, even with his head split open, his gut tore out, burned to a crisp, he just keeps coming back for more. But bender, well, he can be separated into too many pieces.

However, I submit for your approval, that Homer and Bender would never finish a fight, they would end up bruised and broken, but drinking and singing songs in the local bar together....

Since you added the last two:
However, I submit for your approval, that Homer and Bender would never finish a fight, they would end up bruised and broken, but drinking and singing songs in the local bar together....
Are you suggesting a drinking contests between bender and homer? That would be interesting.

Answer Key:
1) Borg Cube. The death star is too slow and unwieldly. The Borg would manuever out of the way of the Death's stars planet destroying ray and make quick work of the Death Star.

I don't think so. The Death Star toasts much smaller rebel capital ships at the Battle of Endor, so there's no outmaneouvering the death-ray!

Anyway, nothing makes quick work of the death star unless it flies down that convenient plot device and pots the 8-ball in the exhaust port or something.

I don't think so. The Death Star toasts much smaller rebel capital ships at the Battle of Endor, so there's no outmaneouvering the death-ray!

Anyway, nothing makes quick work of the death star unless it flies down that convenient plot device and pots the 8-ball in the exhaust port or something.
Borg could also beam aboard the death star. They would destroy storm troopers by the thousand.

Borg could also beam aboard the death star. They would destroy storm troopers by the thousand.

Until Darth Vader pwns them :p

1. Death Star

2. Zombies. Their numbers would overwhelm.

3. Liger. Tigons are tiny and smell bad.

4. Metalheads. They're freaking insane.

5. DRAW

6. Homer, he slaps Bender upside the head with a magnet and takes him down while he's distracted.

6. Homer, he slaps Bender upside the head with a magnet and takes him down while he's distracted.

Jimmy Cracked corn and I dont care! Jimmy Cracked corn and I dont care!

1) A Borg Cube v. the Death Star ?

Borg cube because if you have actually watched Star Wars you'd know how long it takes for them to aim and charge the main cannon. The Borg Cube would simply warp right next to the DS and destroy it or slice out regions of the DS to assimilate and then warp out.

2) An army of C.H.U.D.s v. an army of Zombies

Zombies

3) A Liger v. A Tigon?

Liger

4) All the world's punks v. All the world's metal heads?

Metal

5) All the world's Women v. Andy Kaufman?

Women

6) Bender v. Homer?

Bender

1) A Borg Cube v. the Death Star ?

Borg cube because if you have actually watched Star Wars you'd know how long it takes for them to aim and charge the main cannon. The Borg Cube would simply warp right next to the DS and destroy it or slice out regions of the DS to assimilate and then warp out.

Of course, what you really mean is "Borg cube because I wuv star trek" :p

Of course, what you really mean is "Borg cube because I wuv star trek" :p

No what I mean is, it takes several minutes to aim and it several minutes to charge the cannon. The Borg cube can maneauver while at warp, fuck, it even has transwarp technology. Kinda hard to hit something when it's traveling in subspace while firing at you. It wouldn't show up on the DS's visual systems or sensors because The Cube would be moving faster than the speed of light, therefore you wouldn't be able to see it's location. It would just fire several volleys of torps at the Death Star while at warp. BOOM the end, wham bam thank you mam.

This one is actually hard:

Page versus Hendrix.

Yes, I'm evil.

1)It's gotta be the Death Star...the Borg cube was big compared to a starship, but the Death Star was the size of a small moon...musta had thousands (millions?) of Ties, Turbolasers and at least one or two nasty Sith...
4)Well, punks are scrappier, but metalheads are beefier...probably the metalheads, in the end.
6)First answer is Bender, but I keep thinking of snake killing homer...

What is a liger and a tigon? I assume half lion/tiger and half tiger/lion. But the comments make it sound like they come from a specific tv series or something. I'm assuming some anime, or some comic?


No, their both real (though the Zoids anime used something called a Liger). Both are crosses between tigers and lions, with Ligers being a cross of male lions and female tigers and Tigons the vice-versa. Check the links in the first post for more details.

Who would win?

1) A Borg Cube (http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cologne/borg2.jpg) v. the Death Star (http://web.utk.edu/~nfortner/nrsd/images/deathstar2.gif) ?

2) An army of C.H.U.D.s (http://www.devildead.com/chud/chud11.jpg) v. an army of Zombies (http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/IainBoulton/Shaun_of_the_Dead_Zombies.jpg)

3) A Liger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger) v. A Tigon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tion)?

4) All the world's punks (http://www.oxys.de/grafik/foto/foto5.JPG) v. All the world's metal heads (http://haircrimes.com/Bilder/Heavy_Metal_/Heavy_Metal.jpg)?

5) All the world's Women (http://www.meg.stopklatka.pl/magazines/modern_woman01.jpg) v. Andy Kaufman? (http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/1299/zehme/jpgs/kaufman.photo1.jpg)

6) Bender v. Homer (http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/leelaholic/HomerBenderFight-t.jpg)?

7) Amishmen (http://amishoutlaws.com/amish_postcard500.jpg) v. Jews (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1200/jewpic3.gif)

1. Death Star, one blast blows the Borg Cube into dust. Don't even talk about fleets of cubes, it says "A borg cube."

2. Could go either way, I say CHUDS, because Zombies are really low in intelligence.

3. Liger of course. It's way bigger.

4. Punks, because there are so many more of them, they outnumber us metal heads by like at least 5 to 1. However, If we've got all the nutcases from the Norwegian black metal scene.... hmmm

5. The women.

6. That one's tough. I'd say bender, because he's made of metal. But Homer could win, too.

7. Jews. There are way more of them than Amishmen.

How about this? Your local University's Sociology Department vs. their IT department?

No what I mean is, it takes several minutes to aim and it several minutes to charge the cannon. The Borg cube can maneauver while at warp, fuck, it even has transwarp technology. Kinda hard to hit something when it's traveling in subspace while firing at you. It wouldn't show up on the DS's visual systems or sensors because The Cube would be moving faster than the speed of light, therefore you wouldn't be able to see it's location. It would just fire several volleys of torps at the Death Star while at warp. BOOM the end, wham bam thank you mam.

I don't remember the film having a boring 5-minute long aiming sequence. It took about five seconds if I recall.

I note, though, how the main argument produced by trekkies is generally a long list of psuedoscience technobabble, something mercifully absent from Star Wars.

Big giant laser > Technobabble

Oh, and Einstein > Star Trek physics.

I don't remember the film having a boring 5-minute long aiming sequence. It took about five seconds if I recall.

I note, though, how the main argument produced by trekkies is generally a long list of psuedoscience technobabble, something mercifully absent from Star Wars.

Big giant laser > Technobabble

Oh, and Einstein > Star Trek physics.

Look at the end when they are aiming for the rebel base. You'll see what I mean. Quite simply a Borg Cube would trash the Death Star simply because of it's warp capability, and its ability to move and fire while in subspace.

I don't get this with all the people siding on the side of metal against the punks here. When was the last time the metal heads even had a good honest riot?

I don't get this with all the people siding on the side of metal against the punks here. When was the last time the metal heads even had a good honest riot?
The punk in the picture, the lead singer of Oxymoron, could kick anyone's ass. He is a big German ubermench..

How about this? Your local University's Sociology Department vs. their IT department?
The IT department. Duh.
We're used to carrying heavy equiptment, and are much less frail.
And we've had more experience dealing with annoying users, so we have a reserve of anger that can be drawn on for maximum punishment.

Of course, I'd also give the physicists a fair shot, they wouldn't fight that well, but they'd be drunk enough to not care.

Look at the end when they are aiming for the rebel base. You'll see what I mean. Quite simply a Borg Cube would trash the Death Star simply because of it's warp capability, and its ability to move and fire while in subspace.
Are we forgetting the death star has shields? The rebels always zoom in and go to normal space outside of the shields ranges.
The borg would probably either smash themselves on the shields, waste their torpedoes, or have to go to normal space anyway.

Look at the end when they are aiming for the rebel base. You'll see what I mean. Quite simply a Borg Cube would trash the Death Star simply because of it's warp capability, and its ability to move and fire while in subspace.

Pfff. Since the death star only has one weakness, which the Borg don't have the means to exploit, they can shoot it until their batteries run dry, and not put a dent in it. The size difference between them is a good indicator of how little effect a borg cube's weapons is going to have on the Death star. If a borg cube is the size of a tennis ball, the death star is the size of the Whitehouse.

Pfff. Since the death star only has one weakness, which the Borg don't have the means to exploit, they can shoot it until their batteries run dry, and not put a dent in it. The size difference between them is a good indicator of how little effect a borg cube's weapons is going to have on the Death star. If a borg cube is the size of a tennis ball, the death star is the size of the Whitehouse.
I did wonder why those secret service guys were looking suspiciously at my tennis kit when I was visiting Washington.

In the case of a Death star, presumed Death Star 2 against a Borg Cube the here's my opinion.

The Borg have transporters.
The Borg have adaptive shielding
The Borg Vessel is more manuverable.
The Borg weapons have a fast refire rate.
The Death Star 2 is huge
The Death Star 2 is Geostationary
The Death Star 2 Shield is generated externaly on Endor, Drone Ewoks
The Death Star 2 shield may or may not be able to block transporter signals
The Death Star 2 Superlaser takes time to charge

so, if the Death Star 2 is able to detect the Borg cube far enough out, and score a hit the Death Star 2 has a good chance. Should the first shot miss, or the Death Star 2 not detect the cube until it gets very close, or if the shield cannot block transporter signals, and the Borg realize the shield eminates from Endor, there will be quite a few Drone Ewoks and the shield generator will be destroyed. Which is a long winded way of saying the longer the battle lasts the worse the odds for the Death Star 2 get, unless of course the shield cannot block transporter signals, that being true the battle will be over by the time you say " We are the borg, we will add your technological and biological distinctiveness to our own, your culture will adapt to service us, Resistance is Futile". no Technobabble, just military nescessity. What would be a good battle would be Darth Vader vs. The Borg Queen, drone Ewoks would be neat too.

What you forgot to take into account was that the DeathStar 2 has a fleet of support craft (ties & such) which it would be able to launch to harrass the cube and any ground forces it could deploy. Not to mention the army of storm troopers and AT's it could deploy in support of the generator complex.

And in the event that failed it could lay down a 'rolling' orbital bombardment begining at the perimiter of the shield generator complex and radiating outward, incinerating anything on that hemisphere that was not within the perimiter.

If you watch Return of the Jedi, you can see clearly that the Death Star (2) fires on and obliterates one of the rebel ships. Thus, obviously the Death Star can kill a starship.

A Borg Cube can do warp speed. So what? It presumably has to come out of warp speed to actually do anything, and runs a risk of smacking into Death Star's shields if it tries to come out too close. And its own adaptive shielding won't help it one bit since it will be gone the first time the Death Star hits it.

On the Punk vs. Metal heads thing, most punks I know aren't the least bit scary. It's just that there are so many more of them. However, the metalheads have the Norwegian Black Metal dudes, who are psycho, so who knows.

Try these on for size:

1. Darth Vader vs. Borg Queen (Assuming fight is on Cloud City)

2. Princess Leia vs. Senator Amidala

3. Chewbacca vs. Lt Cdr Worf (No Weapons)

4. Senator Amidala vs. 7 of 9

5. Klingon Bird of Prey vs. Millenium Falcon

as for the support craft the original post did not mention them. IF you mean to say who would win if we include the imperial fleet aoround Endor and the TIEs it increase the odds in a protrected battle, but the post did not say anything about them. Oh, and if a TIE fighter is a threat to a Borg cube in any way, it's news to me, if the Borg can transport onto the Death Star all the TIE fighters, Bombers, Interceptors aren't going to matter much

1. Darth Vader vs. Borg Queen (Assuming fight is on Cloud City)

Darth Vader is only vulnerable to extremely cheesy characters. Therefore, his main weakness would be to Kirk, who would defeat him with Kirk-fu.


How about Silent Bob vs Spock? Any takers?

If it is assumed that the DeathStar is supported by the shield generator on the moon, it can also be assumed that it can be supported by the TIE fighters which are based on it.
I don't feel that the fleet on the other side of the moon should be considered, because unlike the support craft which are based on the DeathStar and the generator which is integral to its defense until it is complete, the fleet can not be considered a 'part' of the DeathStar.

Because of the sheer size of the DeathStar, and the number of hangers, it is doubtful that the Borg would be able have too much of an effect on the launching of TIEs (though the stormtroopers aren't particularly tough, there sure are a lot of them to go through).
As to TIEs being a threat, any TIE fighter could potentially damage the cube by just crashing into it. TIE bombers and Blastboats both have torpedos, capable of damaging capital ships, and the Blastboats have light turbolasers, and ion cannons which disable electronic equipment (if I remember correctly).

I added some of your suggestions. Worf would kill Chewbacca. Vader easily dispatches of Borg Queen. Jay sucker punches Spock in the balls while silent bob distracts him.

1) A Borg Cube v. the Death Star ?

DEATH STAR all the way. The borg would be saying "resistance is-" BOOM!! Laser takes it out. Recharge? One hit is all it takes.

4) All the world's punks v. All the world's metal heads?

METALHEADS without a doubt. Most punks tend to be skinny little feminine boys. Go to OzzFest, compare that crowd to your Warped Tour.

5) All the world's Women v. Andy Kaufman?

WOMEN.

6) Bender v. Homer?

Robots drink? I'll take HOMER cuz he's funnier.

7) Amishmen v. Jews

JEWS no doubt. Jews=Israel, tons of weapons and people around the world.

8) Darth Vader vs. Borg Queen (Assuming fight is on Cloud City)

DARTH, unless she gets a quick cheap shot in.

9) Chewbacca vs. Lt Cdr Worf (No Weapons)

WORF, he doesn't give up.

10) Silent Bob v. Spock

Silent Bob all the way.

Someone said something like:

The Borg can take control of the computers on the Death Star

What computers? In Star Wars, everything from flying ships to shooting blaster cannons has to be done manually. There may be computers, but the only character they ever do anything for is R2D2. They ignore everyone else. Of course, if the Borg could assimilate R2D2 first...

And someone said the Borg could assimilate Stormtroopers. That would decrease their fighting ability. Stormtroopers are about as accurate as Vogons. An Imperial Stormtrooper couldn't hit the side of a sandcrawler from the inside.

1) A Borg Cube v. the Death Star ?
-I'll let others debate or this answer

2) An army of C.H.U.D.s v. an army of Zombies
- Zombies

3) A Liger v. A Tigon?
-Liger it sounds better.

4) All the world's punks v. All the world's metal heads?
- Well i'm hardly going to condem myself to losing, plus punk is a better genre than metal!

5) All the world's Women v. Andy Kaufman?
-Women, never argue with women they always win!

6) Bender v. Homer?
- Draw as both become too drunk to fight!

7) Amishmen v. Jews
- Aren't Amishmen Pacifists so therefore the Jews win with their Nukes!

8) Darth Vader vs. Borg Queen (Assuming fight is on Cloud City)
-Another i'll let others debate the answer

9) Chewbacca vs. Lt Cdr Worf (No Weapons)
-Another I'll let the others debate the answer!

10) Silent Bob v. Spock
- Silent Bob, anytime!

1) A Borg Cube. Total regeneration. All the time. Also transporting onto the command deck and assimilating the Emperor, that'd be fun.

2) Zombies, I don't even know what a CHUD is, but whatever it was, I'd still say zombies. You can't beat zombies!

3) A Tigon, just because it's a better name.

4) Metal heads, I reckon. More knives and stuff, in my experience.

5) Women. Simple enough.

6) Bender. He's a fecking robot!

7) Jews. They can use guns and stuff.

8) Darth Vader. He'd just force lightning her. Or mind-choke her. Anyhow, he'd win.

9) Lt Cdr Worf. He's got less make-up on, so it's easier to move around. Also he's got training. He's head of security.

10) Spock. Vulcan Death Grip, all the time.

The IT department. Duh.
We're used to carrying heavy equiptment, and are much less frail.
And we've had more experience dealing with annoying users, so we have a reserve of anger that can be drawn on for maximum punishment.

Of course, I'd also give the physicists a fair shot, they wouldn't fight that well, but they'd be drunk enough to not care.
It's amusing because I'm a physicist, I'm drunk, and he knew neither!

1) A Borg Cube v. the Death Star ?the borg, you ever see how log it takes the death star to power up it's planet buster? the rest of it's armaments are pitiful and would have no effect

2) An army of C.H.U.D.s v. an army of Zombies neither, there would be no war between them. if for some reason there was the CHUDs would win since the ZOmbies would not even recognize the CHUDs existance, they only want human brains

3) A Liger v. A Tigon?liger

4) All the world's punks v. All the world's metal heads? tough call but probably the metal heads. Metal Heads are a dying breed while much tougher than the punks, but punks are semi-fasionable these days even if they are wimps. close but the metal heads would win in the end although it would probably kill off the group since some (very few these days) of those punks are serious bad asses

5) All the world's Women v. Andy Kaufman? women, but only because Kaufaman is dead. If he were alive he would win just because he said so

6) Bender v. Homer?I was going bender, but once I thought about it homer. Seriously, homer is indestructable while bender isn't. Sure bender would do all sorts of terrible things t homer, but homer would recover and win in the end

7) Amishmen v. Jewsjews cause the amish do not belive in violence

8) Darth Vader vs. Borg Queen (Assuming fight is on Cloud City)Vader, unless borg technology can somehow compensate for the force. Admittedly Anni is half machine which makes him ripe for borg infiltration but I am sure Anni could manage to crush the life out of the queen with the force before being assimilated

9) Chewbacca vs. Lt Cdr Worf (No Weapons)Worf, Chewbacca is just a big lovable fur ball

10) Silent Bob v. Spock tie? they both have the vulcan nerve pinch, can take incredible ammounts of damage and seem to be equally matched in almost all categories. If I had to chose one it would be Silent Bob, who would blow smoke into Spock's face providing enough of a distraction for him to get the first nerve picnh off

The Borg have transporters.
So what? Even if the borg get on board, and even if they are better fighters (debatable) it'd still be Little Big Horn: The Death Star is like a thousand times the size of a Borg cube.
The Borg have adaptive shielding
Adaptive shmaptive. Assuming their shields block blaster bolts, there is still NO FRIGGIN WAY they are blocking a bolt big enough to blast an entire planet to shreds...
The Borg Vessel is more maneuverable.
Yeah, but as pointed out by someone before, the Death Star has about a bazillion capital ship killing turbolasers (remember Episode 4? The only reason that the Rebels got through was their ships were TOO SMALL!)
The Borg weapons have a fast refire rate.
A bazillion turbolasers, with a refire rate of slow as hell, still beat a dozen Borg beams.
The Death Star 2 is huge
Amen!
The Death Star 2 is Geostationary
What?!?!?! It flew around friggin' Yavin in like 5 minutes!
The Death Star 2 Shield is generated externally on Endor
Only 'cuz it wasn't finished...Death Star 1 had deflector shields too...
The Death Star 2 shield may or may not be able to block transporter signals
Galactic Times Headline: "Millions of Shambling Robot Zombies Killed Aboard The DEATH STAR by a Gagazillion Stromtroopers; Empire Leaders Laugh Hysterically"
The Death Star 2 Superlaser takes time to charge
The Death Star in Ep. 4 was ready to fire in seconds. The 5 minute wait was to fly all the way around a friggin planet.

If you watch Return of the Jedi, you can see clearly that the Death Star (2) fires on and obliterates one of the rebel ships. Thus, obviously the Death Star can kill a starship.

A Borg Cube can do warp speed. So what? It presumably has to come out of warp speed to actually do anything, and runs a risk of smacking into Death Star's shields if it tries to come out too close. And its own adaptive shielding won't help it one bit since it will be gone the first time the Death Star hits it.

On the Punk vs. Metal heads thing, most punks I know aren't the least bit scary. It's just that there are so many more of them. However, the metalheads have the Norwegian Black Metal dudes, who are psycho, so who knows.

Star Trek ships obviously has better sensors than Star Wars. I mean how could that star destroyer not know the falcon landed on it? They couldn't even tell they gained mass? A Borg Cube would detect where their shields stop and calculate where they need to go to warp, then fire torpedos, cutting beams, and disruptors. As for this Tie Fighter crap, as I've stated before: The Cube would be INVISIBLE because it's moving faster than the speed of light, therefore the sensors of all ships in the vicinity would not be able to pick it up. They'd just scratch their heads as their shields get pounded by extremely powerful weapons. If The Cube goes to warp that means:

The DS is unable to get a target lock

The DS can't fire it's main cannon

The DS wouldn't know where you launch it's TIE fighters (like they'd be a threat anyways :rolleyes: )

The only argument that remains is how powerful are the shields and the weapons when compared? Of course Star Wars and Star Trek fans alike are going to go to their biased resources and try to use them as facts, but I've said this before and I'll say it again. I've seen a hand phaser VAPORIZE people on setting 8 of 16. Imagine setting 16 wide-beam mode. Imagine the power of a freakin ship-mounted phaser. I've never seen wimpy blasters do anything comparable to that.

1) A Borg Cube v. the Death Star? - See Below

2) An army of C.H.U.D.s v. an army of Zombies? - I'm going to go with a totally biased answer and say Zombies.

3) A Liger v. A Tigon? - Liger, due to the size difference.

4) All the world's punks v. All the world's metal heads? - Metal Heads

5) All the world's Women v. Andy Kaufman? - Women

6) Bender v. Homer? - Bender...tougher, smarter, faster. As much as I want to give this one to Homer, it's just not going to happen

7) Amishmen v. Jews - Jews

8) Darth Vader vs. Borg Queen (Assuming fight is on Cloud City) - This is not a contest...Vader

9) Chewbacca vs. Lt Cdr Worf (No Weapons) - Worf...Chewie is all brute strength, while Worf knows Klingon pseudo-martial arts and is trained in security.

10) Silent Bob v. Spock - Silent Bob distracts Spock with Doobie Snacks, then proceeds to punch him in the balls till he passes out.

Death Star vs. Borg Cube

If even a single Borg drone makes it onto the Death Star, the Borg win...those who doubt this fact should follow the link below. Not entirely accurate for this situation, but it makes it's point.

LINK (http://kevan.org/proce55ing/zombies/)

Below is a great site that discusses this scenario in detail.

The Winner (LINK) (http://www.crossoveruniverse.com/vs4.htm)

We should have a match that's more similar. What about The Death Star VS The Reman Warbird Schimitar? They're both planet killers.

Who would win?

1) A Borg Cube (http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cologne/borg2.jpg) v. the Death Star (http://web.utk.edu/~nfortner/nrsd/images/deathstar2.gif) ?

Borg Cube. We are the borg. Resistance is futile, as you are still in the fusion age.

2) An army of C.H.U.D.s (http://www.devildead.com/chud/chud11.jpg) v. an army of Zombies (http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/IainBoulton/Shaun_of_the_Dead_Zombies.jpg)

CHUDs.

3) A Liger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger) v. A Tigon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tion)?

Liger.

4) All the world's punks (http://www.oxys.de/grafik/foto/foto5.JPG) v. All the world's metal heads (http://haircrimes.com/Bilder/Heavy_Metal_/Heavy_Metal.jpg)?

Punks.

5) All the world's Women (http://www.meg.stopklatka.pl/magazines/modern_woman01.jpg) v. Andy Kaufman? (http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/1299/zehme/jpgs/kaufman.photo1.jpg)

Andy Kaufman

6) Bender v. Homer (http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/leelaholic/HomerBenderFight-t.jpg)?

I dunno.

7) Amishmen (http://amishoutlaws.com/amish_postcard500.jpg) v. Jews (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1200/jewpic3.gif)

Jewish people would win because Amish aren't allowed to defend themselves.

8) Darth Vader vs. Borg Queen (Assuming fight is on Cloud City)

Darth Vader

9) Chewbacca vs. Lt Cdr Worf (No Weapons)

Chewbacca
10) Silent Bob v. Spock

Spock - Vulcan Death Grip, sorry Bob
.

I think the cube would win, although if the dark side managed to grab some of Janeway secret formula they would win!

TNG Borg would pwn, VOY Borg would not.

TNG Borg would pwn, VOY Borg would not.

Umm both Borgs are in the singularity age of technological advancement, the whole of Star Wars takes place in the Fusion Age.

Umm both Borgs are in the singularity age of technological advancement, the whole of Star Wars takes place in the Fusion Age.
TNG: 'OMG Borg, get us out of here, maximum warp'
VOY: 'hey look, Borg, let's fire some torpedoes and destroy the cube'

Let's make it Death Star vs. Voyager :p

Star Trek ships obviously has better sensors than Star Wars.

Sensors? What sensors? They're always looking out the damn window in Star Wars. See what I said earlier about the lack of computers.

And a battle between Silent Bob and Spock would be illogical, so it would never take place... However, if we could work out a premise where it would be logical for them to fight... Hmmm, I think I can feel a movie script coming on... Yes, definately, I'm getting a movie on right now. Time to start filming and market it on the internet.

GAHHH! Already a Sith lawyer is using force choke on me!

I'd go for the Cube but only because of the Borgs regeneration capabilties.
Although, having said that if the Death Star could get one good hit on the cube with its plant buster. . . . . .

Who would win?

1) A Borg Cube (http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cologne/borg2.jpg) v. the Death Star (http://web.utk.edu/~nfortner/nrsd/images/deathstar2.gif) ?

2) An army of C.H.U.D.s (http://www.devildead.com/chud/chud11.jpg) v. an army of Zombies (http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/IainBoulton/Shaun_of_the_Dead_Zombies.jpg)

3) A Liger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger) v. A Tigon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tion)?

4) All the world's punks (http://www.oxys.de/grafik/foto/foto5.JPG) v. All the world's metal heads (http://haircrimes.com/Bilder/Heavy_Metal_/Heavy_Metal.jpg)?

5) All the world's Women (http://www.meg.stopklatka.pl/magazines/modern_woman01.jpg) v. Andy Kaufman? (http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/1299/zehme/jpgs/kaufman.photo1.jpg)

6) Bender v. Homer (http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/leelaholic/HomerBenderFight-t.jpg)?

7) Amishmen (http://amishoutlaws.com/amish_postcard500.jpg) v. Jews (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1200/jewpic3.gif)

8) Darth Vader vs. Borg Queen (Assuming fight is on Cloud City)

9) Chewbacca vs. Lt Cdr Worf (No Weapons)

10) Silent Bob v. Spock


1) Borg Cube (But a very close match)
2) Zombies (Don't say the zed word!)
3) Tigon
4) Metal heads (punks are pussies)
5) Women (PMS can be a great ally)
6) Bender
7) Amishmen
8) Darth Vader (Borg Queen doesn't know the force)
9) Chewbacca (He's taller and has bigger teeth)
10) Spock (Cause he's the coolest and not fat.)

TNG: 'OMG Borg, get us out of here, maximum warp'
VOY: 'hey look, Borg, let's fire some torpedoes and destroy the cube'

Let's make it Death Star vs. Voyager :p

If that is the case then I take Voyager over the Death Star :p

1) A Borg Cube (http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cologne/borg2.jpg)

2) an army of Zombies (http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/IainBoulton/Shaun_of_the_Dead_Zombies.jpg)

3) A Liger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger)

4) All the world's punks (http://www.oxys.de/grafik/foto/foto5.JPG)

5) All the world's Women (http://www.meg.stopklatka.pl/magazines/modern_woman01.jpg)

6) Bender (http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/leelaholic/HomerBenderFight-t.jpg)?

7) Jews (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1200/jewpic3.gif)

8) Borg Queen

9) Lt Cdr Worf

10) Spock

I've never seen wimpy blasters do anything comparable to that.

Presumably because blasters are at least moderately realistic in their capabilities. The Death Star would just soak up anything the Borg throw at it. Even a direct collision with that uber-star destroyer in Episode VI barely scratched the surface.

I think given the amount of pseudoscience that seems to prop up the Trek argument, the only way to call this one is a draw, as neither side is capable of damaging the other. If we assume your technodrivel is correct, then the Death Star can't shoot the borg (at least, until they run out of gas). Alternately, the Borg cube is PUNY compared to the Death Star, and simply doesn't have the available energy output to threaten a shielded space station the size of a small planet.

Presumably because blasters are at least moderately realistic in their capabilities. The Death Star would just soak up anything the Borg throw at it. Even a direct collision with that uber-star destroyer in Episode VI barely scratched the surface.

I think given the amount of pseudoscience that seems to prop up the Trek argument, the only way to call this one is a draw, as neither side is capable of damaging the other. If we assume your technodrivel is correct, then the Death Star can't shoot the borg (at least, until they run out of gas). Alternately, the Borg cube is PUNY compared to the Death Star, and simply doesn't have the available energy output to threaten a shielded space station the size of a small planet.

The case isn't if they're realistic at all. The case is Phasers as we have seen are WAY WAY more powerful than blasters. And they wouldn't run out of "gas" for several years. Borg ships which are a bit more technologically advanced than Federation starships would certainly last longer at warp. As for the DS being big, why is it that warsies stick to this argument? I'm bigger than a brick but if you threw it at my face I would certainly get hurt wouldn't I? Also, we don't know about the nature of the shields of the DS. The Borg could possibly just beam onboard an antimatter bomb and blow the shit out of the DS internally.

I'm bigger than a brick but if you threw it at my face I would certainly get hurt wouldn't I?

You probably wouldn't be hurt if I threw a grape at your face, which is a closer comparison of size.

You probably wouldn't be hurt if I threw a grape at your face, which is a closer comparison of size.Drop it from 100 metres and he'd be dead. ;)


Corneliu: we all do :D

The punk in the picture, the lead singer of Oxymoron, could kick anyone's ass. He is a big German ubermench..

You really are joking aren't you? I did sound for an Oxymoron gig - after the show was over the band broke down in tears because they weren't happy with the way their Irish tour had gone. I kid you not.*





* Not that there is anything wrong with growing men crying.

The case isn't if they're realistic at all. The case is Phasers as we have seen are WAY WAY more powerful than blasters. And they wouldn't run out of "gas" for several years. Borg ships which are a bit more technologically advanced than Federation starships would certainly last longer at warp. As for the DS being big, why is it that warsies stick to this argument? I'm bigger than a brick but if you threw it at my face I would certainly get hurt wouldn't I? Also, we don't know about the nature of the shields of the DS. The Borg could possibly just beam onboard an antimatter bomb and blow the shit out of the DS internally.

*sigh*

Y'know, about a year ago there was a massive thread of Star Wars vs Star Trek. Trek lost. Badly.

Someone found the figures (alas, I can't find them) that basically blaster power is measured in (say) terrawatts, and phasers are measured in megawatts.

It was that kind of scale, anyway. The point being that the technology of Wars is much better than that of Trek.

Anyone else remember the old thread?

I just went out and did some research, and it would seem that in order for the Borg to be able to beam aboard the DeathStar at warp speed the DS would have to be traveling at the same speed in the same direction, or be compeletly stationary. As the DS is doing neither, the Cube would have to expose its self to fire; if only for a moment.
As to the DeathStar's shield being able to block a teleporter's beam, it would seem pretty safe to assume that it could. It seems to do well enough at blocking most everything else (visible light aside).

Anyone else remember the old thread?Yes, it continued for ages without anyone clearly winning, eventually I asked the thread starter to ask for a lock. (I can't remember his name, don't even know if he still plays NS :( ).

1) A Borg Cube (http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cologne/borg2.jpg) v. the Death Star (http://web.utk.edu/~nfortner/nrsd/images/deathstar2.gif) ?

2) An army of C.H.U.D.s (http://www.devildead.com/chud/chud11.jpg) v. an army of Zombies (http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/IainBoulton/Shaun_of_the_Dead_Zombies.jpg)

3) A Liger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger) v. A Tigon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tion)?

4) All the world's punks (http://www.oxys.de/grafik/foto/foto5.JPG) v. All the world's metal heads (http://haircrimes.com/Bilder/Heavy_Metal_/Heavy_Metal.jpg)?

5) All the world's Women (http://www.meg.stopklatka.pl/magazines/modern_woman01.jpg) v. Andy Kaufman? (http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/1299/zehme/jpgs/kaufman.photo1.jpg)

6) Bender v. Homer (http://www.futurama-madhouse.com.ar/fanart/leelaholic/HomerBenderFight-t.jpg)?

7) Amishmen (http://amishoutlaws.com/amish_postcard500.jpg) v. Jews (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1200/jewpic3.gif)

8) Darth Vader vs. Borg Queen (Assuming fight is on Cloud City)

9) Chewbacca vs. Lt Cdr Worf (No Weapons)

10) Silent Bob v. Spock

Anything Star Wars will destroy anything from Star Trek quite easily.

Anything Star Wars will destroy anything from Star Trek quite easily.

A single ewok against the Enterprise?

If you say so :rolleyes:

A single ewok against the Enterprise?

If you say so :rolleyes:

I didn't quite mean it that way. But I'm sure you hardly need a Death Star to destroy a Borg cube. A "simple" Star Destroyer will suffice. (Imperial class of course)

Personally I'll go with an Eclipse or a Super Class Star Destroyer.

I ment to say Death Star on the poll...I don't even know what the hell a Borg Cube is.

Personally I'll go with an Eclipse or a Super Class Star Destroyer.

Imperial would do the job if not simply with the squadrons of fighters that it carries.

Imperial would do the job if not simply with the squadrons of fighters that it carries.

Eclipse and Super class carry more fighters and more weaponry :D

A single ewok against the Enterprise?

If you say so :rolleyes:


Yep. Ewoks are capable of sneaking around anywhere. And you know that, once inside the Enterprise, he'll have a conveniently placed tree trunk in the reactor/power plant/whatever.



As for other fights...
How about Emperor Palpatine vs. Pope Benedict XVI?
Or, if we are really sadistic...
Emperor Palpatine vs. a trio of underaged wizard kids? (http://www.btinternet.com/~digital.wallpapers/harry_potter_003.jpg)

Emperor Palpatine vs. a trio of underaged wizard kids? (http://www.btinternet.com/~digital.wallpapers/harry_potter_003.jpg)

I would pay a truly staggering amount of money to see that fight. I really would.

Oh, the crispy fried wizards....